Comments by Frankus1122

Comment #158568 by Frankus1122 on April 10, 2008 at 7:00 pm

Now I feel sad.

Comment #158559 by Frankus1122 on April 10, 2008 at 6:33 pm

I flagged this:

720. Comment #158506 by D.I. Ogenes on April 10, 2008 at 4:19 pm

Comment #158557 by Frankus1122 on April 10, 2008 at 6:16 pm

I flagged as a troll as well for the reason that nothing was offered.
No reason would get through.
Waste of time.

But I had fun eating him.
Who knew trolls could be so tasty?

704. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158546 by Frankus1122 on April 10, 2008 at 5:43 pm

Murderous cannibalistic Atheist BASTARDS!

Jesus died for us.
Well, we sort of killed him.
Murder.
But he came back to life and we can eat him and drink his blood whenever we want if we just say the magic words.
Cannibals.

Hey! We're not so different after all.

705. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158539 by Frankus1122 on April 10, 2008 at 5:29 pm

Thanks Goldy. My mouth is watering.
Besides being way more intelligent than IDiots we seem to be better in the kitchen as well.

706. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158538 by Frankus1122 on April 10, 2008 at 5:25 pm

I suggest listening to the guys at Scientific America talking to Mathis after he took Expelled there for them to review.

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=a-conversation-with-mark-mathis

They show him up for what he really is.

707. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158527 by Frankus1122 on April 10, 2008 at 5:02 pm

lamb dhansak

I know what lamb is. New Zealand lamb can be found in my local grocery store.
What is dhansak?

708. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158523 by Frankus1122 on April 10, 2008 at 4:58 pm

We can talk about him as though he does not exist. You know, ignore him even though we know he is there.

Just like we do with God.

(Look to my avatar if unsure about what I am saying).

709. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158520 by Frankus1122 on April 10, 2008 at 4:52 pm

Comment #158506 by D.I. Ogenes

No. No. No.
You are wrong at every turn.

Just a suggestion to others (which I know you will ignore ("Get in line cats!") but I'll say it anyway): ignore this guy.
He makes no attempt at any argument. He is a stupid, stupid ranter spewing nonsense.

710. Reviews of Expelled

Comment #158463 by Frankus1122 on April 10, 2008 at 2:51 pm

Comment #158184 by Sossijj

I am listening to the link now. Pricelessly brutally good.
Mathis is weasely and the Scientific American guys are dead on sharp.
I am really enjoying this.

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=a-conversation-with-mark-mathis

711. Cult leader Pyotr Kuznetsov tries suicide after realising he was wrong about doomsday

Comment #158408 by Frankus1122 on April 10, 2008 at 12:57 pm

that's one less looney tune I'm sharing the country with :-)

Well, I'm not entirely sure abote that. A lot of people I know question my sanity.

712. Cult leader Pyotr Kuznetsov tries suicide after realising he was wrong about doomsday

Comment #158214 by Frankus1122 on April 10, 2008 at 8:16 am

To Steve and Zeke and Max and all:
Sorry. I was just joking around. It was late at night and I was a bit tired and feeling silly. I was assuming a 'voice' that obviously was not heard by all outside my head.
Steve, I do not think your marriage will lead to me marrying my non-existent goat. (Although I have friends who own a goat they call Frankie that I am rather fond of).
When the same sex marriage issue was first raised here in Ontario (and made legal) I got into discussions with my goat-owning friend's father. He was completely against same-sex marriage. We argued with him that it made no practical difference to our lives at all. It would not destroy our society but, in fact, make it better for all living in that society.
Witness the disapprobrium surrounding the MP whose 17 year old video tape where he denounces gays has received here; in marked contrast to the representative in the States who had 1000 backers and the Anti-Atheist representative from Illinois who felt she could freely criticize those without faith.
My point is that we are more apt to recognize and respect people in all their diversity as a result of things like legalizing same-sex marriage. It is now the norm here and I feel we are the better for it.

713. Cult leader Pyotr Kuznetsov tries suicide after realising he was wrong about doomsday

Comment #157933 by Frankus1122 on April 9, 2008 at 7:13 pm

Comment #157930 by ZekeCDN

Incidentally, our society has not fallen apart and there's no sign of polygamy or marriage with animals being next on the agenda

Sorry Zeke.
Wrong.

How Long Before Polygamy (Formally) Comes to Canada?
http://westernstandard.blogs.com/shotgun/2008/04/how-long-before.html

And:
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=8196bbd4-a140-43a5-a30d-bce23c146a1c&k=61964

"There's no point in criminally charging alleged abusers in B.C.'s polygamous community of Bountiful until the courts rule on the constitutionality of polygamy itself, a senior Vancouver lawyer has concluded."

We have the gay marriage and now the polygamy. It is just a matter of time before I can marry my pet goat.

714. Cult leader Pyotr Kuznetsov tries suicide after realising he was wrong about doomsday

Comment #157921 by Frankus1122 on April 9, 2008 at 6:32 pm

What was with the man avatar standing in front of the building, then.

I sort of liked the old yearbook photo of the English school boy.
Now we get a tit's ass.

:) ?

715. The books that inspire me

Comment #157914 by Frankus1122 on April 9, 2008 at 6:19 pm

I was going to post one of my favourite writers and, in particular, a story I just reread last night when I came across this:
http://blog.lib.umn.edu/mill1991/abc/004145.html
It is the Atheist Book Club.
Interesting.
My favourite writer is Jorge Luis Borges. The story I read last night is 'Three Versions of Judas'.
One of the posters at the above linked site says:
The three versions of Judas, by Sir Jorge Luis Borges, is Logic at its very best and thus challenge(s) the central belief of Christian theology and reveal(s) its incongruities.

In the story a theologian figures out that God could have chosen to become anyone as the 'Word'. The suffering of Jesus was brief; that of Judas is eternal. Therefore God as the Word was Judas.

As TomGoodfellow said of his choice: "lots of fun if not the lightest read you'll ever have." Very true of the work of Borges.

716. Cult leader Pyotr Kuznetsov tries suicide after realising he was wrong about doomsday

Comment #157895 by Frankus1122 on April 9, 2008 at 5:34 pm

Hey! Mark Smith, I was going to say that I thought you were me posting in some alternate reality and you did it again.
Only other people here always express themselves so much better than me.

717. Cult leader Pyotr Kuznetsov tries suicide after realising he was wrong about doomsday

Comment #157893 by Frankus1122 on April 9, 2008 at 5:32 pm

I'm not sure I should intrude here but what the hell:
I've just read the last 3 or 4 pages of posts.

Some weird stuff has been going on lately. Perhaps it is the influence of the moon or one or more of the planets.

You know when the police get a suspect they think is guilty and then do everything to try to prove him as such even though he may not be guilty in reality?
I think that may be happening here.
From a disinterested perspective I think mikejswalker is not guilty of the crimes of which he has been accused.
His explanations seem reasonable to me.
Dr. Benway, mike says he respects your opinions and I do too. You come off as a bit quirky which makes me like you all the more.
I think you are wrong here.
I hope you don't think me unchivalrous (is that a word? It is now), and MaxD please don't punch me but I did not take the meaning from mike's post that you did.

I haven't read right back to the beginning of this but I get the sense that some people thought it was funny that the guy tried to kill himself by bonking himself on the head with a log, and that they said they were sorry he didn't succeed.
If the guy is truly mentally ill then he needs some help.
But his chosen method of suicide is still funny.
As MaxD said: "ala Homer Simpson".

That's enough for now.

No. One more thing: Can we all kiss and make up?

718. Richard Dawkins on The Big Questions

Comment #157730 by Frankus1122 on April 9, 2008 at 1:28 pm

Comment #157713 by MPhil,

My father bombed Dresden. He said they used incendiary phosphorus bombs to ensure the city burned.
I do not feel responsible for the sins of my father but I do have a strong emotional reaction to the Dreseden bombings.
I used to hate my father when I was a youth. I was very anti-war. As I grew older I came to understand the necessity of what he did. I came to regard him as a hero. He was just a kid himself when he went on raids over Germany.
Things are not black and white always. Bombing Dresden was a shameful thing. Along with the Holocaust, it is something that should not be forgotten.

719. Fleabytes

Comment #157552 by Frankus1122 on April 9, 2008 at 8:56 am

Shoot! I wrote up a post and it went away.
It was something along the lines of wondering why materialist atheists would worry about anything if we are all just dust. Why do we care if there is no ultimate meaning in our lives because we don't have God. I was taking a theist stance (perhaps setting up a strawman) to knock it down.
I don't know why we care but we do.
We regret things we have done (cringing at bad memories of past embarassments). Why? Don't know, but we do. Time tends to ease the pain of foolish things we've done. Friends with comforting words helps too. Humour helps me.
Things are important in the here and now because they are. We make it so.
Community is important. I'm sorry Richard Morgan did not find it here. Although I think it was/is here to be found.
For the record: I found Richard Morgan humourous - a 'character'.
I'm not an old man but I am not a young man. With age comes some degree of understanding; maybe even wisdom (although I am too young for that). Things are not always black and white, right and wrong.
I am rambling and perhaps not being as clear as I could be but it's my 2 cents.

720. Discussion between Richard Dawkins and Paula Kirby

Comment #157512 by Frankus1122 on April 9, 2008 at 8:04 am

Maybe the "walking with Jesus" guy meant something like this:
http://widerquist.com/hangnwithjesus/jesus.htm

721. Discussion between Richard Dawkins and Paula Kirby

Comment #157444 by Frankus1122 on April 9, 2008 at 5:29 am

The man at the end who said he "walked with Jesus" and he was "annoited by the Holy Spirit" was summarily dismissed by Richard.
I can see why Richard did not want to engage with the man. They are not really speaking the same language.
What, exactly, does he mean by "I've walked with Jesus"? He cannot mean they literally walked down the street together on Monday, April 7, 2008. Jesus was wearing the traditional robes, sandals etc. So what does he mean? It must be a metaphor for some feeling he has.
I don't think the man is hallucinating as Richard said; he is deluded.

722. Richard Dawkins: 'Growth in creationist beliefs a problem for schools'

Comment #157076 by Frankus1122 on April 8, 2008 at 2:37 pm

I think opinions and beliefs are subject to choice, so they can be exposed as false, in the hope the expressor of said opinions will gain a better level of insight and change their opinion for the better.

And yet the UN has declared that one cannot speak out against religious beliefs.

Religious belief is the one thing that really does seem to be a choice in the list of things that one is legally required not to discriminate against.

Not true: I think marital status is on the list as well.

723. Richard Dawkins: 'Growth in creationist beliefs a problem for schools'

Comment #157062 by Frankus1122 on April 8, 2008 at 2:20 pm

Comment #157061 by Bonzai

I was just saying stuff to move on.
Yes there are kids who know more than a lot of adults. However, 13 year old kids were 6 when 9/11 went down. Barely aware.
The ubiquity of 'facts' can lead to a devaluing of them.
Are there certain things we should all know as part of a society?

724. Richard Dawkins: 'Growth in creationist beliefs a problem for schools'

Comment #157056 by Frankus1122 on April 8, 2008 at 2:10 pm

yussell123,
Some of my students were discussing religion the other day in class. They were woefully ignorant of much of the facts about the world's religions. I tried to set them straight on questions they had (No, not all Buddhists are required to shave their heads).
When they asked me if I believed in God, I asked which one.
They didn't seem to understand what I meant.
Kids today are ignorant of a lot of stuff us older folk take for granted.

725. Richard Dawkins: 'Growth in creationist beliefs a problem for schools'

Comment #157041 by Frankus1122 on April 8, 2008 at 1:57 pm

So I asked a question at the Cyber Bullying conference about legal issues regarding overlapping 'rights'.
Does the religious person who claims that homosexuals are deviants that need salvation in order to be healed free to express this opinion? Is it inciting hatred or discrimination? Am I free to say the religious person who holds such views stupid and deluded? I am inciting hatred or discrimination against them?

(Trying to move on here).

726. Richard Dawkins: 'Growth in creationist beliefs a problem for schools'

Comment #157031 by Frankus1122 on April 8, 2008 at 1:50 pm

Whoever stops first wins!

727. Richard Dawkins: 'Growth in creationist beliefs a problem for schools'

Comment #157007 by Frankus1122 on April 8, 2008 at 1:31 pm

I just got back from a conference on Cyber Bullying.
I was saying how this site was generally free of rants and mindless abusive name calling.

Ooops.

I suggested that the community can shape the environment in which they find themselves.
Could you guys stop this or take it to PMs?
I am sensitive and you are making me upset.
Have a nice day.

728. Get out of here, atheists!

Comment #156500 by Frankus1122 on April 7, 2008 at 5:00 pm

Saskatchewan MP Tom Lukiwski was the Canadian guy who said bad things about homosexuals. The funny thing is that he has been highly criticised all over the place and there have been calls for his resignation. This happened 17 years ago.
The Republican politician who said similar things recently had 1000 backers supporting her.
There is a world of difference between the USA and Canada.

729. Richard Dawkins: 'Growth in creationist beliefs a problem for schools'

Comment #156391 by Frankus1122 on April 7, 2008 at 12:50 pm

Lately I've been wondering how many of my fellow Canadians are becoming concerned with the encrouching Christian fundamental movement that is migrating up across the 49th parallel

I am worried about the general lack of science based information getting to the PM; that and his Alliance roots.

I got this from a quick google search:

Re$earch Money reports that the Conservative government has fired Dr. Arthur Carty and closed the Office of the National Science Advisor. Carty was well-respected and took a strong stand for open access during his tenure.
You can get more here:
http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/01/22/tech-science-advisor.html

On the question of YEC in schools: I have a friend who teaches in rural Ontario. The small school booked a person to talk to the students about dinosaurs. Partway through his presentation he started to tell the students the Biblical explanation for fossils. My friend was shocked and unsure about what to do as it was her first year teaching and many on the staff are fundy Christians. She debriefed her class after the presentation.
She said that there was no indication on the information sent out to the school about the ultimate nature of his talk. It was billed as a talk about dinosaurs and made reference to the appropriate curriculum links.

730. Fleabytes

Comment #156291 by Frankus1122 on April 7, 2008 at 9:00 am

MaxD, you just don't get it do you?

From MaxD:

Clearthinker avoids real discussion.

From clearthinker:

However I have tried to respond to every serious point.

There it is in black and white.
He said he responds to every serious point. He does not pick out the trivial and focus on that. The proof? Because he has just said so.
I really don't see what is so hard to understand about this.

Jeesh!

{sarcasm/off}

731. Richard Dawkins: 'Growth in creationist beliefs a problem for schools'

Comment #156290 by Frankus1122 on April 7, 2008 at 8:50 am

Comment #156283 by MaxD

At some point simply believing something "important" made it almost impossible to critique,

And now with the proposed change to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights it will be an enshrined part of the wedge.
This is why i am so very concerned about that issue.

732. Fleabytes

Comment #156230 by Frankus1122 on April 7, 2008 at 6:33 am

I would like to sincerely thank clearthinker. if he is the best the theists can offer as a defense of their position I am truly satisfied with my athiest position.
I am out to prove myself wrong about God. I don't think God exists. I don't believe the Bible or the Koran are inspired by God. I am willing to be convinced otherwise. If Robertson's writings here are truly the best that can be offered in the way of 'evidence' or even rational argument for the existence of God then I feel okay.
Actually, that is not true. I am a bit disappointed. Is what Robertson says what the vast majority of people believe? The evidence and the reasoning seems pretty flimsy.

How does one counter such willful ignorance?

733. Fleabytes

Comment #156101 by Frankus1122 on April 6, 2008 at 6:26 pm

He does it to me all the time as well. The main point is not dealt with. As you said, Max, the "meatiest bits" are left.
My last question was dealing with why there is so much confusion about the Bible and the other holy books. If God loves us and wants us to know him why is it so difficult? Why do I have to be born in a country that has a lot of Christians if I want to know God? (I mean the one true God here, not the heathen god of those other folks).
Then there is sect after sect of Christians who all have their own take on the Bible. Is sin the fault of all the confusion? I thought God loved me. Why so difficult? I was brought up a Catholic. According to the Robertson church I was following the Anti-Christ. I was told it was the one true religion. How was I to know?
There is one easy way out of the morass: realize that it is all bunk.
If there is another answer I am willing to hear it. Robertson told me: "Life is complicated."
Thanks.

734. Fleabytes

Comment #156099 by Frankus1122 on April 6, 2008 at 6:04 pm

He does this with individual posts too. Where he picks the easiest thing to respond to-very often out of context of course-while leaving the meatiest bits unexamined

It's the gnats/camels problem. Didn't he focus on the grammar or the translation of the gnat/camel quote rather than the substance of its meaning thereby proving exactly what the poster (sorry I forgot who - m?) was trying to say.
Either he is an extremely intelligent wit playing with the irony or.... not.

735. Dawkins warns of human extinction

Comment #155187 by Frankus1122 on April 4, 2008 at 8:18 am

"Dawkins is God"

I thought it was Clapton.

Anyway, something has slowly dawned on me: where are the arguments from the theists?
Is Artful Dodger, Kardashovel, clearthinker, etc. the best there is?
There seems to be a lot of dancing around issues and questions. Have you ever cracked an egg in a bowl and got a bit of the shell in there? You know how you try to pick it out and it sort of slides away? I get that feeling when trying to get an answer from a theist here.
One would think that a clear convincing true statement could be made that would not be easily refuted if you were truly inspired by the Living God.
I am not totally dim. However, I am yet to be convinced by anything the apologists have put forward to convince me God exists.

736. Fleabytes

Comment #155156 by Frankus1122 on April 4, 2008 at 7:49 am

Comment #155139 by jac12358

I enjoyed reading the post, but have not ready through all 30 pages of comments!

Try 154 pages!

This is not a thread; it's a whole sweater!

737. Protests no concern for outspoken atheist

Comment #155113 by Frankus1122 on April 4, 2008 at 7:20 am

She said that what needs to be demonstrated are not the same old 'Proofs of God' (PRATT), but evidence of God's love

Either one would do.

God's love? I would like to see more evidence of the Humans' love.
We can't prove God exists. We certainly don't know what he thinks. So why don't we just drop the pretense and do what we collectively agree is right? We may argue about this but the constant turning to scripture (which one? and what part of it?) is fruitless.

738. Anti-gay Okla. lawmaker attracts 1,000 backers

Comment #154522 by Frankus1122 on April 3, 2008 at 11:51 am

Aaron I like this idea but does it lend legitimacy to the Bible just by allowing it to be studied?
What about the Koran?
What about other 'sacred' texts?

Comment #154492 by ThoughtsonCommonToad:
You have to watch the Youtube link I provided above.
Here it is again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-zhNiGlogQ

739. Anti-gay Okla. lawmaker attracts 1,000 backers

Comment #154458 by Frankus1122 on April 3, 2008 at 9:56 am

Comment #154449 by quantum tuba :

She said her beliefs are rooted in Biblical passages, did she. Coming soon: Sally Kern discusses the threat posed by masturbating, eating shellfish, and permitting witches to live.

For absolute pwnage on this topic watch President Barlett dress down a Dr. Laura /Sally Kern

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-zhNiGlogQ

740. Fleabytes

Comment #154438 by Frankus1122 on April 3, 2008 at 8:53 am

A LICK, THEN ERR.

clearthinker: He? Irk central.

RANKLE THRICE

THANK ERR LICE

RENT HECK LIAR

That's enough for now.

741. Fleabytes

Comment #154104 by Frankus1122 on April 2, 2008 at 4:20 pm

I don't know if this is atheist music but just as I was reading your last post I was also listening to a mashup of Jimi Hendrix singing 'All Along the Watchtower' with Stone Roses 'Fools Gold' music.

Try:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/78683550cb1fd4/

or

http://devinemashup.blogspot.com/2008/02/stone-roses-vs-jimi-hendrix.html

for a listen.

F'n A!

742. Vote on freedom of expression marks the end of Universal Human Rights

Comment #154088 by Frankus1122 on April 2, 2008 at 2:50 pm

In Canada we have a completely unfunny show called "Little Mosque on the Prairie". Jokes (if you can call them that) are made about Muslims, Christians, everyone.

Here is an example (warning: UNfunny):
http://www.cbc.ca/littlemosque/baber_rants.html

743. Vote on freedom of expression marks the end of Universal Human Rights

Comment #154084 by Frankus1122 on April 2, 2008 at 2:35 pm

Comment #153999 by jbath

I have a book in my library for which I will include the bibliographic information below. It is a small book with a back and forth format. From my perspective the evidence is overwhelming on the 'war' side.

Is Islam a religion of war or peace? / Jann Einfeld, book editor.
Farmington Hills, MI : Greenhaven Press, c2005.
Subjects Islam -- 21st century

Terrorism -- Religious aspects -- Islam

War -- Religious aspects -- Islam

Islam -- Public opinion

Description: 108 p. ; 24 cm.

ISBN: 9780737731002
0737730994 (lib.)
0737731001 (pbk.)

Series: At issue. Religion

744. Fleabytes

Comment #154079 by Frankus1122 on April 2, 2008 at 2:22 pm

It is just another one of his little tells.

Wouldn't it be great to play poker with this guy?
He IS so very predictable; one would be sure to win a bundle. And there would be no worry about him paying up; he only has to pray and poof! the specific amount he owes will fall right into his lap.

745. Fleabytes

Comment #154059 by Frankus1122 on April 2, 2008 at 1:27 pm

Now you know one of the reasons I love metallica. That and 1980's hair.
Nugent (or Spugent as I call him) wrote the book "God, Guns, and Rock and Roll".

For al rawandi:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ewY3hlRV2Ew&feature=related
This mentions 80s metal bands and Ted Nugent.

746. Fleabytes

Comment #154039 by Frankus1122 on April 2, 2008 at 12:35 pm

mixmaster:

I forgot about Rush: Freewill

Comment #154010 by AlanF

Great post Alan.

Ditto.
I don't think it will make any impact whatsoever on Robertson but I enjoyed reading it. It becomes more and more clear the nature of this sad little man.

I can say deliberately because you're
not so stupid
that you don't understand exactly what we said and meant.

I am not so sure of that.

747. Fleabytes

Comment #153968 by Frankus1122 on April 2, 2008 at 9:33 am

mixmastergaz,

I think I sent you a link to some good atheist themed music in the past. I would like to hear anything by Frankus Zappa. I can't think of anything specific right now that includes atheistic lyrics but the Zappa himself was pretty clear on the subject.

748. Fleabytes

Comment #153953 by Frankus1122 on April 2, 2008 at 9:06 am

clearthinker

do you think you could break out of the cycle and actually give us some evidence or example of where I have lied?

How is it that you can see and hear god everywhere (when there is nothing to see and hear)but fail to realize that you have been answered again and again? To pretend that you have not been answered or provided evidence is another lie. You cannot seem to help yourself. It is really hard to feel sorry for someone who comes off as such a prick, but you do have my sympathy you poor deluded tardo.

749. Anti-Quran Film Fitna Pulled From Web Due to 'Threats'

Comment #153944 by Frankus1122 on April 2, 2008 at 8:52 am