801. CBI wants more pupils in science

Comment #228295 by thewhitepearl on August 11, 2008 at 7:04 pm

What someone wasting food????

Nu-uh, they will be introduced to the power of my cricket bat.

Oh wait-god made him? That explains it....

Good, good what about you? Drink away your pain the other night?

802. Evangelically Serious Science

Comment #228291 by thewhitepearl on August 11, 2008 at 6:49 pm

Yup, sexbots, horny grannies, drugs, nothing productive at all today.

803. CBI wants more pupils in science

Comment #228286 by thewhitepearl on August 11, 2008 at 6:40 pm

Dhamma,

Good Evening! (night, er whatever).

A complete nutcase? Do tell...

804. Evangelically Serious Science

Comment #228285 by thewhitepearl on August 11, 2008 at 6:38 pm

It's only 8:30 PM (yesterday)

And what about you?

Hola Brian..

And then there were three...

805. Evangelically Serious Science

Comment #228281 by thewhitepearl on August 11, 2008 at 6:31 pm

Goldy,

Where is everyone at tonight? The crew isn't around. So sad so sad..

806. Evangelically Serious Science

Comment #228278 by thewhitepearl on August 11, 2008 at 6:14 pm

Ahhh A.I. not AI

:)

Makes more sense now

807. Saudi Arabia Bans Dog Walking in Capital

Comment #228270 by thewhitepearl on August 11, 2008 at 5:42 pm

Sir Francis Crick and Mr. Mendel would be stoned to death.

:(

I don't understand this, people stay away from my babies, they don't really attract anyone.

808. The HMS Beagle Project

Comment #228269 by thewhitepearl on August 11, 2008 at 5:39 pm

:O

I....want...to...be...on...that...boat.

I will whack my way up that loading dock.

809. Evangelically Serious Science

Comment #228267 by thewhitepearl on August 11, 2008 at 5:34 pm

Got the idea from that AI movie. When you see some Good looking young fella, with his granny, singing Barry White, you'll know the truth! :-D Especially if he needs to crick his neck to stop singing....

That might be funny if I actually knew what you were talking about :(

810. Evangelically Serious Science

Comment #228224 by thewhitepearl on August 11, 2008 at 4:13 pm

Crap, I'm not supposed to zap my own posts.

dumbass. what kind of scam are you trying to run, when you scam yourself?

811. Evangelically Serious Science

Comment #228218 by thewhitepearl on August 11, 2008 at 4:07 pm

Toy boys for horny grandmothers now, apparently...

LMAO!

Terat's Community Service for the Elderly?
The Terat Foundation for the elderly widowed and sexless?

Ahhh Mordy, can't read your reply!

812. Evangelically Serious Science

Comment #228205 by thewhitepearl on August 11, 2008 at 3:49 pm

How did you get the emoticon in there? Damn I could be so much more poignant if I had a large bank of emoticons.

Nooooooo, don't tell him.


Are we back on the sexbot thing?

If someone actually does correct me, the result is that I become yet more perfect.

oy! he he he [sigh]

edit dos

So what about all those other gay men who are apparently downloading porn? Is your advice for them similar to Marie Antoinette who told the starving French to eat cake?

MA " If they're hungry let them eat cake"
Terat "If a gay mans horny, let him fuck a robot"

It's common for elderly women to outlive their husbands by several years, and not many of them get much action while they wait to die. Lots of guys are downloading porn when they could be hitting on elderly women.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...[sigh] my sides hurt

813. Richard Dawkins replies to Libby Purves

Comment #228168 by thewhitepearl on August 11, 2008 at 2:52 pm

I've never had a problem "quitting" drugs. I never really had a problem getting started, in the sense I could be around and do it for a month and then when I'm not around it or don't have access to it, I don't look for it. I've never had a problem. I would go so far as to say, a lot more people are out there that are like this, rather then out searching for a fix 24-7.

If you tell me it is 20 kilos of body fat, I'm coming over there with my big clogs and I'm going to open up this can of whup-ass I have been saving! Even my 2 1/2 year old daughter is nagging me now!

I was going to stay your moobs. Don't get upset. There is a problem when your chest is bigger than mine.

Al,

If you're still around PM for you

814. Richard Dawkins replies to Libby Purves

Comment #228162 by thewhitepearl on August 11, 2008 at 2:46 pm

Goldy,

You know what you really need to get rid of?

815. Richard Dawkins replies to Libby Purves

Comment #228154 by thewhitepearl on August 11, 2008 at 2:35 pm

Should I ask why you know how to role a primo?

Damn! I was sitting here trying to remember what it was called...uh, er, um I saw it on the news.

Decius,

I'm watching it. Side note however is the first video on the side is tiesto at some place in berlin...ahhh memories..

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haha oh snap that girl in the front is on all kinds of drugs. That place is wild..

816. Richard Dawkins replies to Libby Purves

Comment #228149 by thewhitepearl on August 11, 2008 at 2:31 pm

But, if it were possible, I'd like to have some arrangement by which it could cost enough so that any treatment programmes (which I assume would be required for those who go off the deep end) would not need to come out of general taxation.

I totally agree. I don't think that the public needs to pay for the lifestyles of others. People need to take up responsiblity for their own decisions.

You have made me very very pleased that I have not been to a nightclub since I was about 22. And it was shite back then, too.

Nightclubs aren't the only place hun. You would be floored to know how many people, what class of people, do what they do. Especially while drinking. Unless you were looking for it or been behind the scenes for a while you wouldnt notice it.

Geez, what a bore

...crackhead.... :)

817. Richard Dawkins replies to Libby Purves

Comment #228140 by thewhitepearl on August 11, 2008 at 2:24 pm

You can also smoke coke, and it is stronger

Maybe if you sprinkle it on top of the weed in a blunt, or dip a cigarette in it. Other than that cocaine is not smoked. Crack is.

I think we can both agree that cocaine is made from coco paste and crack is made from taking the cocaine, cutting it and baking it. Crack takes on a very different form then cocaine.

Considered by whom? Uhhh I know a few people in the business. I've read a few articles stating that for a mix of reasons crack is more addicting than cocaine. Or easier to become addicted to. Give or take circumstances.

For duration, snorting lasts about 45 minutes, but is only really good for the first 25 or so. Smoking it lasts between 10-15 minutes, and it totally fucks you.

I'm well aware of the first bit, never done crack so I couldn't agree with you on the second.

818. Richard Dawkins replies to Libby Purves

Comment #228133 by thewhitepearl on August 11, 2008 at 2:15 pm

What you fail to consider is that drugs like MDMA, cannabis, MDA, amphetamine, cocaine are by far the most popular ones.

True. true true

Literally millions of people take them and you would hardly notice it.

Ditto.

probably some people in your circle do it behind your back. If you have a social life, that is.

Double ditto. Especially if you are a frequent visitor of the nightlife. All those bathroom trips the people around you are taking? They aren't to pee. Handoffs? Look carefully, people aren't just shaking hands.

The problem with indiscriminate prohibition is that relatively innocuous substances are put on the same level with the truly dangerous one, and an artificial social stigma is created with the effect of confusing and misinforming the youths.

Yup. Think the TRUTH campaign commercials. "Live above the influence". They particularly like to show the users as being completley out of control, from the ghetto, one toothed, wild eyed, thugged out trash. Which is very much the minority.

Gregg,

Wow. I thought it would be a bit more difficult than that. I'm sure your granddaughters would understand why you wouldn't want to come to the baptising. Which I agree, they are to young.

819. Richard Dawkins replies to Libby Purves

Comment #228126 by thewhitepearl on August 11, 2008 at 2:04 pm

Crack is cocaine that has been cut with glucose. It's cheaper because it has less cocaine in it. Hardly different things.

Huh, Mitchell thats not just or the only thing it's cut with. Would you like more difference?

Crack is cheaper to make, cheaper to buy
Crack is free base, you smoke it you dont snort it or inject it.
When smoking crack the effects on the user are felt faster (about 10 seconds compared to the 10 minutes of cocaine) and it doesn't last as long. Therefore creating a need for more.
Crack is in a rock form, while cocaine is powdered or liquid.

Crack is considered a more dangerous and addictive substance.

I think the most notable difference are the frequent users.

820. Richard Dawkins replies to Libby Purves

Comment #228115 by thewhitepearl on August 11, 2008 at 1:55 pm

Al,

I have similar glasses. Liquor Lenses, they're a bit more intense.

Decius,

Exactly. It's this war on drugs that is increasing the crime rate and addiction by many of the consumers. The more you fuck around with the drug and try to cut it, making it cheaper, the more the consumer needs and the more dangerous it gets.

821. Richard Dawkins replies to Libby Purves

Comment #228112 by thewhitepearl on August 11, 2008 at 1:39 pm

I wonder what kkelly suffers from?

hmmm

April and I have been struggling with the indoctrinating of our granddaughters (their parents are Mormons).

Whoa, that is a thin, thin line. What are you doing about it? Are their parents weary of you and your wife?

822. Richard Dawkins replies to Libby Purves

Comment #228107 by thewhitepearl on August 11, 2008 at 1:36 pm

It is the lack of engaging with the normal emotional responses that is pretty much the key symptom.

Maybe you were right, because that pretty much explains the whole sexbot theory of his.

823. Richard Dawkins replies to Libby Purves

Comment #228104 by thewhitepearl on August 11, 2008 at 1:29 pm

There is no such dichotomy with crack-heads, and heroine addicts. None of them are causal users.

Crack is different then cocaine. (think whitney houston "i dont do crack, crack is whack, crack is cheap"

I've known one person who has tampered with heroine and he said it's a drug you take when you really dont care of your life anymore. Based on his stories, heroine isn't a once in awhile drug.

In any case, I still feel that if people want to do it, let them do it but with certain guidelines that alcohol has taken over the years. (Legal age limit, driving under the influence..)

Steve,

um er, I'm sorry but that's hardly a view I would welcome. I mean the opinion of course, is his free to make, but it's hardly respected in my eyes. That is a little looney. No privacy huh? Wikipedia for everyone?

Tera is a little daft. I find it hard to put on his glasses.

824. Richard Dawkins replies to Libby Purves

Comment #228095 by thewhitepearl on August 11, 2008 at 1:14 pm

If it could be worked out so that the idiot masses who got hooked on coke, heroin, etc etc (and thereby became utterly useless to the rest of society) could indulge themselves without incurring social unrest, crime and, you know, didn't sponge loads of taxpayers' money to get themselves unhooked again when they realised it was all a big mistake, then I most likely have no problem at all with the legalisation of "drugs".

Please, tell me what the difference between drugs and alcohol is in your mind? How is being addicted to drugs anymore different than being addicted to alcohol?

Becoming utterly useless to society? How so? Who? Which drug? All of them? You're ok with alcohol but no ok with drugs? Certainly drugs aren't the only thing that make people useless to society.

Hellene,

You mean not all neocons. I'm aware of that.

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I know, they told you that "it is enough a single joint and you will end up like Christiane F".

This reminds me of the old short films Reefer Madness and Cocaine Fiends.

825. Richard Dawkins replies to Libby Purves

Comment #228087 by thewhitepearl on August 11, 2008 at 1:04 pm

And yes, I don't understand the government's need to dictate how everyone should live, this is the precise opposite of freedom. Those are Columbian drugs, my money, and my body, I fail to see where the government enters the equation. Maybe I am wrong.

Well no one really mentioned anything in particular but there goes a revelation.

It has something to do with the government being funded by certain particular nosy controlling morally righteous groups.

[edit]

There was another thing about destroying books and replacing them with Wikipedia.

Hold on, I just fell out of my chair from shock. Al, if I give you the bat-just for a minute- Do you think you could whack that nutcase for me?

826. Richard Dawkins replies to Libby Purves

Comment #228077 by thewhitepearl on August 11, 2008 at 12:55 pm

Mitchell,

Wow-You are my inspiration..I have hope yet.

Steve,

I had a feeling post-posting that you were being a smarty-pants.

827. Richard Dawkins replies to Libby Purves

Comment #228071 by thewhitepearl on August 11, 2008 at 12:47 pm

Al,

My cricket bat has offically met the back of your head.

Have to keep out evil, plague starters such as yourself.

I can't stand when people want to dictate others what they can or can't do with their bodies. It's not by chance that prohibitionists and pseudo-moralists against prostitution, controlled substances and alcohol are almost entirely to be found among religious fundamentalists

Me neither. Especially with how much money is wasted every year on the "drug war". It's ridiculous. Prohibition was started by a protestant womens group right? Can't really remember.

If they can't force people to go to church they sure as hell will force people into living "morally".

[edit]

Oh yeah Tera, how are those sexbots coming along? Bought one yet?

Sargeist,

I especially like the little guilt trip at the bottom that reads:

"100,000 deaths. That's more than a statistic. That is 100,000 individuals with faces. 100,000 individuals with lives not fully lived. 100,000 individuals grieved by mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, and children. Every year."

Yawn.

828. Richard Dawkins replies to Libby Purves

Comment #228058 by thewhitepearl on August 11, 2008 at 12:29 pm

I would go even further than you, and get governments to restrict our food. We should all be on a government-enforced diet

Whoa, I don't know about the Mr. Zara. A flood of "1984" passages just passed through my head.

829. Richard Dawkins replies to Libby Purves

Comment #228051 by thewhitepearl on August 11, 2008 at 12:13 pm

PS Good luck to your GF. Get him to recognize evolution in other aspects of life, and maybe slowly he may start to accept some of your ideas

Thanks, but I doubt it. He made it a point to start praying outloud and in tounges when I went to visit last week. I almost choked on my sandwhich. It was incredibly hard not to laugh. Oh well. Hopefully the demons attacking his household will fly away. I pretty much did.

It's much like trying to get moderate drunks to be honest about the enormous destruction resulting from alcohol consumption in societies which are foolish enough to permit it.

Alcohol is far more destructive than religion in modern societies. Just count the bodies.

Always throwing in those side jabs. Really? alcohol is?

Maybe on your planet.

830. Richard Dawkins replies to Libby Purves

Comment #228044 by thewhitepearl on August 11, 2008 at 11:22 am

Kaiser,

Yeah, well he is semi-retired (in the process of opening an oil and gas exploration company) But that is what he has been doing with his life prior. He honestly believes that people have dug so far down in the ground that they've heard the screams of tormented souls...[coo-koo]

He is in NO way an evolutionists. Creationist 100%...In his mind, people keep trying "to re-write history". What he learned in school is what is right. Case in point, in watching on of those old mythbusters, wives tales programming the following question and answer popped up; "Did George Washington really cut down a cherry tree and admit to his father he couldn't lie". I said "No" he FLIPPED. When the answer revealed itself he got unusually upset. "Everything in our textsbook was a lie then huh?"...er, obviously..

I tried to calm him down by asking "Did George Washington say that he himself did it, or was it a story told by someone else?" Seemed to shut him up, still angry. Any way the point is, it offered a little glimpse in how die hard fundie christians think. How they're brain operates...

Go through life, believing what they have been told is true, because no one taught them differently, the older ones not having other sources of information and the technology that we have now, and anything that comes along that challenges what they have known to be true, is deeply upsetting

I keep telling them I would rather enjoy the party in hell, than bend my knee to a narcissistic god that is so insecure that he constantly needs reassuring of his glory and greatness

Nooo don't think that would help. In fact I'm pretty sure I've said similiar to that before and my grandma exploded into tears.

WP, you are still young and can do much to reason with others in your age group and spread the word for others to think for themselves rather than regurgitate what others have told them.

Yes, that is my hope, I have tried but it is beyond most peoples heads..Now if I only didn't live in dallas. Where people are too caught up in..well worthless, pretentious, showing-off...

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831. Richard Dawkins replies to Libby Purves

Comment #228039 by thewhitepearl on August 11, 2008 at 10:40 am

Kaiser,

As funny as it appears on the surface, it really is quite scary how seriously people take this bs. My family is really scared to death that I am going to burn in hell, it breaks their heart.

And I know it's ridiculous for them to feel that way but I can relate to how they feel. When I can first remember having the serious hell talk with my grandfather, he told me that my father was going to burn in hell for not being a believer so I had better start talking to him and praying over him...I was 7..It was the most horrible thought and cause many sleepless nights and a lot of crying. The image of hell beaten into the minds of young people is far worse than any horror movie you could imagine.

832. Richard Dawkins replies to Libby Purves

Comment #228032 by thewhitepearl on August 11, 2008 at 10:20 am

What is your new gig? Options? Currency? Commodities?

Same as my old gig. Currency.

Kaiser,

No it wasn't..Well a number of ways are possible.

1.)god fed them intravenously
2.)there was no food necessary, after all this is the garden of eden.
3.) microevolution

833. Richard Dawkins replies to Libby Purves

Comment #228029 by thewhitepearl on August 11, 2008 at 10:14 am

Buy the tech stocks on the cheap now,

[stretches] Ahh trading on margin, don't really have to worry too much about that.

834. Richard Dawkins replies to Libby Purves

Comment #228022 by thewhitepearl on August 11, 2008 at 10:00 am

Okay, the lamb was a vegetarian and could survive, however the lion as a carnivore was doomed to starvation

I don't think that the lion was a carnivore at this point. Remember the fall brought death.

This is what was supposedly waiting for us after we died??? What a load of tripe!!

No, we get to worship and praise god forever, amongst the flowers that sway and the golden roads, and crystal clear water, eventually making our way back to our mansions for a break, where we don't get to do anything but meet up with our neighboors and talk about the glory of god before going back to his thrown and worshipping at his feet again.

That's a load of tripe. And awfully boring.

We even joked about the fact that Satan did a wonderful job of carefully placing all those fossils to mislead us.

[reaches for cricket bat]

Sad sad and sadder. How will you sleept at night?

With ease....As I have it now, I can very much control my money with proper analysation and using the ol noggin. I can short term it and make a very decent profit, or long term it and make an even bigger profit.. Although the index is very diverse why would I be interested in a largely tech weighted industry? It would only intrest me if I were scared of investing in individual indexs, and not knowing which ones to run to. However, stocks and futures? [sticks finger down throat] sooooo middle ages.

You would think God might realise that, since Satan and one third of the angels rebelled against him, that maybe it would be a smart idea to stop him from getting into the Garden of Eden.

Guess this goes back to free will. After all god gave satan the earth as his kingdom. (Why not any of the other planets?..We'll never know)

[edit]

My market stays open 24-7, so suck on that mr. nasdeq 100.

835. Richard Dawkins replies to Libby Purves

Comment #228012 by thewhitepearl on August 11, 2008 at 9:11 am

Billy,

I don't even think we would have had free will if satan wouldn't have pissed god off in the first place. Stupid stupid stupid.

Also, is his choice truely free if he has to behave under pain of death?

Apparently it's a "you have to do the things that you don't want to do in order to get the things that you want" sort of deal. But to the christians yes. You get to choose don't you? You just decide what you want for yourself after you die. Remember they are obssesed with the afterlife.

836. Richard Dawkins replies to Libby Purves

Comment #228006 by thewhitepearl on August 11, 2008 at 8:59 am

I think you need a Nasdaq 100 Index Fund in your portfolio. You really need it.

Commmmeee onnnnnn


whataya say?

You're offering me a solution and telling me I need it but you aren't creating that fear of loss if I decide not to. You're working backwards. You're a horrible sales person.

They don't seem to have realised that the fact that Jesus' sacrifice isn't believed in by a majority of humanity pretty much puts a bullet in the arse of that idea.

This is why we have people like Ray Comfort running around, with a camera and mic to show the christian followers how much they need to be out working and spreading the gospel.

837. Richard Dawkins replies to Libby Purves

Comment #228002 by thewhitepearl on August 11, 2008 at 8:45 am

I don't know if religion *creates* the need, or just exploiting a need that is always there. I wouldn't be surprised if religion started out as genuine, honest attempt to meet the need until it took on a life of its own.

Obviously in the beginning they were filling a need that was already there. Over the ages they have exploited those needs, to ensure the survival of their religion. I think that in today's world it is a combination of both. They especially need to create, and recreate the need for religion in their lives.

It's more along the line of sales, create a fear of loss and offer the solution.

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That's one of those "interpretable" things that make the bible so useless. After the fall, god (in his multiple personality form) was worried about man eating from the fruit of the tree of life and sent an angel to guard it (gen 3:22). It makes you wonder why it was there.

To further your point, I always thought the angel was sent to guard the whole garden of eden, not really to ensure nobody eats from the tree, but to ensure that nobody enters into the garden of eden.

I often wonder about the last sentence. God banning anyone to eat from the Tree of Knowledge of anything seems that he wanted humanity to stay stupid. But in the Christian point of view, it was put there to show that he wanted humans to have free will. And we chose, and now we suffer the consequences of the bad choice.

838. Richard Dawkins replies to Libby Purves

Comment #227998 by thewhitepearl on August 11, 2008 at 8:28 am

Good Morning All,

Yeah, however, man was made without at least 2 qualities of god ("perfection")- the ability to know right from wrong - and eternal life - so "creation" was not perfect by the fact that man lacks qualities of perfection.

Right about the first half, wrong about the second. Man was supposed to have eternal life until they aquired the ability to know right from wrong. Which happened once they ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. (Ignorance is bliss I suppose)

So what was the cause of this downfall then David, Satan?

In a way, but it all really gets blamed on Eve. She is rebellious by listening to Satan and manipulative for tricking Adam into eating the fruit.

honestly don't get the concept of sin, I really don't. I cannot fathom why someone would want to feel like shit because of a figment of their imagination. What a gloomy outlook on life, why would you want to feel that way?

You can only be saved because your god sent his son on a suicide mission? How morbid is that?

I don't think anyone really does. But christians don't feel like it's a gloomy outlook of life. They feel that since the fall of man it's just a natural part of this world that they have to deal with and avoid at all costs. This is what makes them feel that they are above everyone else. Because they have to work at avoiding sin and taking "the road less traveled". Oh and Jesus? Apparently Jesus dying for our sins was the ONLY way that human kind could be saved and just proves how much God/Jesus loves human kind. They don't think of it being morbid at all. Unless you want to count how they recognise the horrible way of death he had to endure, for us

Silly, silly, silly especially since god being god would think of something else that would save us from the fiery pit of hell and not have to sacrafice his son.

Oh but they have an answer for that was well, it was the only act that us sinful humans would really understand and appreciate.

But sometimes even the most educated person can slip into superstition, particularly if they were "infected" with it from an early-enough age.

Especially when you are scared to death of dying and going to hell. Believe me it's not just left at "Well son if you don't repent your sins, and accept jesus, and walk with the lord, you will die and go to hell" They make you feel guilty and un-appreciated if you refuse to do this. (Jesus DIED for YOU, the least you can do is realise this, acknowledge this and try to live your life according to his word). They also add in lovely little details about hell. Tortured by the most evil looking creatures you can think of, being burned in fire in a pit you can't escape, the smell of burning flesh, worms and maggots crawling in and out of you, a complete feeling of dispair, the sounds of millions of other people crying out to god to help them...etc etc..

[deep breath and exhale]

Why are so many posts missing?

We've been having this problem all w/e. It's also been taking me 15 minutes to post this. It just stays idle at "submitting comment"

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Comment #227742 by thewhitepearl on August 10, 2008 at 2:44 pm

the raw power of capitalism.

There is a disturbance in the force.

Of course we can't deport the whole 40% who say they support Shariah. But if we get goons like Hizb ut-Tahrir and Abu Usama and the rest, that'll send a very strong message: This far and no further.

I don't understand why everyone is in an uproar over this. I think that is perfectly reasonable.

punishment needs to be along the lines of exposing to the public what horrid sorts of people they are (shaming them)

I don't really think it would be that easy to shame a muslim. More like piss them off even more.

840. Novel on prophet's wife pulled for fear of backlash

Comment #227716 by thewhitepearl on August 10, 2008 at 1:52 pm

If you don't call off your website gremlins, prepare to face a hellstorm of smiting, courtesy of me, Quetzalcoatl. I'm talking flaming meteors, earthquakes, stepping in dog shit, the whole nine yards.

And while he is doing that I will teleport myself every now and then to give you and your gremlins a few good whacks.

841. Novel on prophet's wife pulled for fear of backlash

Comment #227700 by thewhitepearl on August 10, 2008 at 1:31 pm

There are some Muslims who do not subscribe to the version of Islam that you are describing

A very very very very very few. So few they shouldn't really be considered in such arguments.

I was also trying to challenge the idea that people who cause a problem but who are (or who started off as) citizens should be deported.

Deported where? This is what I don't understand. On every continent there are bound to be muslims. There are bound to be extremists. I don't understand where they are supposed to be deported?

anyone who even vaguely supports Shariah, for example, or anyone who by accident of birth lives in a fundamentalist country, and should be prepared to put up with our nutters

What do you mean by "our nutters"?

I am afraid I find some of Fanusi's ideas extreme to say the least.

I really must managed to miss those posts. I haven't seen an idea that I find to be "extreme" yet. But I also see posts that are referring to older posts so I know I seem to be missing something. If you don't mind can you give me a few examples? (Or Fanusi is still lurking about can you sum up some of your ideas please?)

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Comment #227685 by thewhitepearl on August 10, 2008 at 1:08 pm

Steve,

I'm not sure exactly what you and Fanusi were arguing. Jumped in a bit late and started arguing some other point.

843. Novel on prophet's wife pulled for fear of backlash

Comment #227682 by thewhitepearl on August 10, 2008 at 1:05 pm

Steve,

No forgiven necessary. I see your point. It's not going to make that much of a difference to me if I say most or all. I suppose I'd rather get it right the first time then have to argue about it, which I find a bit pointless.

844. Novel on prophet's wife pulled for fear of backlash

Comment #227680 by thewhitepearl on August 10, 2008 at 1:02 pm

Quetz,

I think that one actually showed up. Fun being the middle man?

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Comment #227675 by thewhitepearl on August 10, 2008 at 12:58 pm

Steve,

Alright, I see your point. I apologise, and will try to be more careful when I'm talking about matters of such sensitivity.

846. Novel on prophet's wife pulled for fear of backlash

Comment #227667 by thewhitepearl on August 10, 2008 at 12:51 pm

That is my point. And there is usually more than one. That is why generalisations are a mistake

I respectfully disagree. If it's a large of group of people who generally all agree of the same concept, especially religions, it's not wrong to generalise.

I can't be wrong in saying scientists accept evolution as a fact, just because some dumbass out there with a science degree doesn't.

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But even if I do say most muslims, or 95% of muslims accept that as reality, it doesn't dilute the point I was trying to make. The fact is that no matter how moderate and nice they appear to be, jihad is something that does not just exist in the mind of extremists. It's something that when the situation boils right down to it, most (and I do mean most) accept jihad as a reality. Something that will have to be done.

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Comment #227661 by thewhitepearl on August 10, 2008 at 12:39 pm

No sir.

But it still doesn't change my position. Or what I said as being true. You are always going to have someone that claims to be in a particular group that says something completley opposite. That doesn't mean that I should change my statement to "it is a reality for all, except for the 500 or so out there somewhere".

Generalising is not always bad. It's very much ok when talking about a religion and belief system, where the beliefs are written down and can plainly be seen by everyone else.

It doesn't make what I said any less true just because someone wants to come along and nit pick.

And if it's any consolation to you, or anyone else my ex stepfather's family was all muslim. It's safe to say I've had my share of listening to what they say the believe and hold as every day values and what they recognise they (and other muslims) would have to do if it came right down to it.

848. Novel on prophet's wife pulled for fear of backlash

Comment #227651 by thewhitepearl on August 10, 2008 at 12:25 pm

Steve,

It's as true as Christians believing you have to accept Jesus to get into heaven. (Or that all scientists accept evolution) If that helps clear up the position.

Comment #227644 by Corylus ,

Same goes for you Fanusi. You can send em over my way and I'll post.

849. Novel on prophet's wife pulled for fear of backlash

Comment #227645 by thewhitepearl on August 10, 2008 at 12:21 pm

Apathy,

Awwww, thank you so much! It exactly what I need, especially right now.

850. Novel on prophet's wife pulled for fear of backlash

Comment #227641 by thewhitepearl on August 10, 2008 at 12:19 pm

Quetz,

:(

I guess we better all start sending in those tithe checks to Mordy.