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Comment #158713 by epeeist on April 11, 2008 at 1:22 am
Comment #158702 by Jon_Sociologist
You need to back it up with some question about how evolution explains the function of a tortoise's rectum or something.Just came across this one on http://iidb.infidels.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=104906
852. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #158469 by epeeist on April 10, 2008 at 3:09 pm
Comment #158460 by Goldy
Especially the Eddas.Absolutely
853. German Church admits aiding Nazis
Comment #158292 by epeeist on April 10, 2008 at 9:45 am
Comment #158286 by FightingFalcon
There is always debate on this topic and it never runs to a final, definitive conclusion.
We're dealing with Adolf Hitler here - the man said many things in public that he did not truly believe. Why would anyone take what Hitler and Goebbels said publicly at face value? The only thing that matters is what they said/wrote in private and their actions.
854. Rep. Davis: The Worst Person in the World
Comment #158284 by epeeist on April 10, 2008 at 9:33 am
Comment #158241 by Quetzalcoatl
A quick search of Google has turned up the following:Which is open for comments. Enjoy!
http://blog.kjmastaw.com/
855. Richard Dawkins on The Big Questions
Comment #158282 by epeeist on April 10, 2008 at 9:31 am
Comment #158275 by Steve Zara
It could certainly give him a nasty case of carpal tunnel syndrome.
He does seem to be putting a lot of effort into this, doesn't he?
856. Rep. Davis: The Worst Person in the World
Comment #158249 by epeeist on April 10, 2008 at 8:55 am
Here's a thought.
Al-Rawandi has put together a list of the common "causes of death" of theists at this site (Pascals wager, I am busy and I have to go, argumentum ad hitlerum etc.).
You can also typify some of the posters, from the raving lunacies of wooter, through to the thoughtful YEC of Mark Taunton, the Vox Day sockpuppets, the post-and-run fundies and so on.
It must be possible to produce a correlation matrix providing we come to some sort of classification.
857. Rep. Davis: The Worst Person in the World
Comment #158232 by epeeist on April 10, 2008 at 8:40 am
Comment #158225 by irate_atheist
Hmm...does my Masters in Engineering Sciences count as:Either is honourable.
858. Rep. Davis: The Worst Person in the World
Comment #158217 by epeeist on April 10, 2008 at 8:18 am
Comment #158182 by kjmastaw
I'd venture to guess that very few of you really understand what the scientific method is, could explain the difference between scientific fact vs. scientific theoryYou might want to reconsider this after you have looked at some of the other posters, such as Steve Zara (Ph.D. and post doc biologist), Billy Sands (research biochemist), maxD (biologist), Annabanana (biologist) myself (Ph.D. physicist), MPhil (philosopher, with an emphasis on science), Quine (philosopher), Russell Blackford (philosopher), Bonzai (mathematician) and so on. These are just the ones I picked off the top of my head and whose backgrounds I am aware of.
859. Richard Dawkins on The Big Questions
Comment #158163 by epeeist on April 10, 2008 at 6:52 am
Comment #158162 by Cartomancer
I suspect RD would acknowledge Carl Sagan, in particular "The Fine Art of Baloney Detection" from "The Demon Haunted World".
You see, I've had my consciousness raised by the creationist lobby. Thank you Richard Dawkins! I now know exactly what to look for in devious monomaniacal fruitcakes who feed in these waters.
860. Richard Dawkins on The Big Questions
Comment #158160 by epeeist on April 10, 2008 at 6:48 am
Comment #158130 by Philip1978
Deborah Lipstadt, a proper historian, said:Are you sure she is a proper historian? With a name like that don't you think she might be, you know, a little Jewish...
861. Fleabytes
Comment #158132 by epeeist on April 10, 2008 at 5:42 am
Comment #158125 by irate_atheist
On the subject of starting a topic in a topic, more halfwittery from the self-deluded:Well Blake was hardly your common or garden Church of England member was he? A mystic who was a follower of another mystic. And Jerusalem was written as part of a homage to Milton which has references to Joseph of Arimethea and the book of Revelation.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/pressass/20080410/tuk-cathedral-puts-ban-on-jerusalem-6323e80.html
862. Commentary: Democrats finally getting religion on religion
Comment #158111 by epeeist on April 10, 2008 at 4:41 am
Comment #158100 by scooternyc
NEWSFLASH TO CANDIDATES: Shut up about your religion, it's like your sex life - boring, useless and nobody cares!How strange, something we can almost agree on.
863. German Church admits aiding Nazis
Comment #158072 by epeeist on April 10, 2008 at 3:43 am
Comment #158068 by Jon_Sociologist
So I am curious how this all squares with the allegations by high level church officials, that the Nazis were an "Atheist" organization.This is one to put on the bookmark list.
864. Fleabytes
Comment #158067 by epeeist on April 10, 2008 at 3:36 am
Comment #158062 by keith
Just don't forget to massage his ego from time to time, otherwise he could be defecting back again within the month.A prophecy, a veritable prophecy. Praise the Lord!
865. Fleabytes
Comment #158066 by epeeist on April 10, 2008 at 3:33 am
Extracted from David Robertson's post noted by Quetz in comment #158030 (just so one can see the attribution).
I personally liked "Given the ethos of the site I thought they would say that you were a defector, a poor soul who needed the comfort of meaningless religion, a fraud, an idiot, someone not worth bothering about anyway and that the post here was really not from you at all, but another subtle trick by the evil Robertson. Guess what - all of the above is on the website - as well as the usual pseudo psychological analysis."
It sounds awfully like the questioner in the UHI trying to demonstrate the validity of biblical prophecy.
866. Reviews of Expelled
Comment #158063 by epeeist on April 10, 2008 at 3:28 am
Comment #158058 by yussel123
Is this a rhetorical question?
If Hitler's version of Evolution was bad science, why did the scientists in Nazi Germany go along with it?
867. Richard Dawkins on The Big Questions
Comment #157745 by epeeist on April 9, 2008 at 1:49 pm
Comment #157740 by Cartomancer
I take it back - these guys are just like the moron creationists we normally get!Just back from a small celebration with a fellow coach (one of his pupils took bronze at the world under-17 championships) so I missed most of this.
868. Expelled Overview
Comment #157538 by epeeist on April 9, 2008 at 8:39 am
Comment #157529 by clearmind
I am busyIn the absence of Al-Rawandi.
869. Richard Dawkins: 'Growth in creationist beliefs a problem for schools'
Comment #157407 by epeeist on April 9, 2008 at 4:10 am
Comment #157401 by Steve Zara
Agreed - this has become a classic example of personal quarrel dialogue - http://www.philosophy.ed.ac.uk/ug_study/documents/Informallogic1_001.pdf
I think the question is why does it have to continue in public? It is not just off-topic (not something I am too worried about), but positively abusive. Surely you can see that it would make sense to discuss who needs to apologise to whom and in what way off-line, and then if agreement is reached, appropriate things can then be said in public.
870. Get out of here, atheists!
Comment #156829 by epeeist on April 8, 2008 at 9:59 am
Comment #156824 by al-rawandi
Do you propose the one party solution of communism?As opposed to the two pseudo-parties of corporatism you mean?
871. Richard Dawkins: 'Growth in creationist beliefs a problem for schools'
Comment #156826 by epeeist on April 8, 2008 at 9:57 am
Comment #156815 by al-rawandi
Nah, total teddy bear you.
Then he had the nerve to describe me as a genocidal prone right wing fascist.
872. Richard Dawkins: 'Growth in creationist beliefs a problem for schools'
Comment #156704 by epeeist on April 8, 2008 at 7:06 am
Comment #156683 by Philip1978
A mere supposition. It is obvious to every YEC that the light moved very, very much more quickly 6000 years ago. Hence the reason we can see light from galaxies several billion light years from here (I told you it was very much faster).
Here is a VERY odd question indeed, can you speed up or slow down the speed of light from stars?
Surely the light from stars moves at a constant speed, some are just further away than others?
873. Richard Dawkins: 'Growth in creationist beliefs a problem for schools'
Comment #156675 by epeeist on April 8, 2008 at 6:14 am
Comment #156670 by Vaal
Phil, not to mention the scale of the Universe. Is the Universe also 6000 years old? What are Galaxies then? How far are the nearest stars? Is Astronomical measurements so far out? How do they address that? I would have said that that would be the biggest death knell to the Young Earth crowd.It doesn't work I am afraid.
874. Richard Dawkins: 'Growth in creationist beliefs a problem for schools'
Comment #156272 by epeeist on April 7, 2008 at 8:14 am
SWMBO teaches at a girls' school in Manchester. Because it is girls only it does have a significant number of pupils who are there to limit their contact with the opposite sex. These are mostly Muslims.
In the mumble-mumble years she has taught there she has noticed a gradual increase in the number of these girls who have a creationist outlook. This correlates fairly closely with an increase in religiosity.
We both find it strange that the parents of these girls are sending them to a school whose founders were looking to give girls the same educational opportunities as boys and wanted an emphasis on the teaching of science - http://www.withington.manchester.sch.uk/Home/About WGS/Founders/
875. Fleabytes
Comment #156209 by epeeist on April 7, 2008 at 5:39 am
Just as a matter of interest. If there is an absolute morality and it is defined by religion then why is Monsignor Girotti, regent of the Vatican Penitentiary looking to update the list of sins?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/07/opinion/07mon4.html?ref=opinion
876. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #156158 by epeeist on April 7, 2008 at 1:19 am
Not sure whether it should go on this thread or the perpetual "Fleabytes" one, but I picked this up today. Not particularly new, but it does spell out a solution to the chirality issue.
http://www.physorg.com/news126694357.html
877. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #156017 by epeeist on April 6, 2008 at 1:45 pm
Comment #156012 by sdbranum
I've got life to get on with now.Time of death 20:46 UTC, reason "I have to rush".
878. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #156011 by epeeist on April 6, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Comment #156009 by Mark Smith
I think the assumption that he came here to take part in constructive debate. Quarrel dialogue, yes. Persuasion or critical dialogue, obviously not from his first post.
You replied to my suggestion that you post something substantive by lumping me in with a highly generalised and negatively stereotyped 'you' and by making entirely unwarranted assumptions about me. But the approach you are taking will not lead to constructive debate.
879. Dawkins warns of human extinction
Comment #156003 by epeeist on April 6, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Comment #155993 by Vadjong
So, where on earth do we find enough energy to make one big enough to be dangerous ?http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20080406
880. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #156000 by epeeist on April 6, 2008 at 1:25 pm
Comment #155992 by sdbranum
You mean this? http://contenderministries.org/humanism/manifesto1.php
Though it depends upon the various sects, most recognize the Humanist Manifesto as authoritative
881. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #155996 by epeeist on April 6, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Comment #155986 by sdbranum
what ID enthusiasts believe, then proceed to trash argument the person or persons never made nor intended. Among bo9th Christians and Atheists, there are those who believe what they believe because that is what they have always been told, or they have placed their trust in someone they believe to have performed rigorous researchDear oh dear, ID and rigorous research in the same paragraph.
882. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #155991 by epeeist on April 6, 2008 at 1:14 pm
Comment #155969 by BillySands
Nope, and it doesn't take much intelligence to use a word processing programme. Did a grown up or your carer show you?Hey come on Billy, give the man a chance.
883. Dawkins warns of human extinction
Comment #155831 by epeeist on April 6, 2008 at 2:36 am
Comment #155825 by elmeraho
I award this site the first prize for being the most inaccessible website I have seen this year.
Some of the Parts is available online here.
884. Fleabytes
Comment #155701 by epeeist on April 5, 2008 at 9:28 am
Comment #155690 by robotaholic
haha, jehovah's witnesses just knocked on my door while i was getting up and i went to the door and they started talking and it was just gibberishI keep random pamphlets from the Mormons, Scientologists and Christians Scientists about, as well as old copies of "The Watchtower". Depending who calls I try to cross-sell with a pamphlet from a different organisation.
885. Dawkins warns of human extinction
Comment #155344 by epeeist on April 4, 2008 at 11:07 am
Comment #155340 by Artful_Dodger
As for the resurrection, it is the most plausible explanation for the empty tomb and the post-mortem appearances of the risen Christ.
886. Dawkins warns of human extinction
Comment #155323 by epeeist on April 4, 2008 at 10:22 am
Comment #155311 by Cartomancer
In fact you'd be hard pressed to find a mythical hero figure worthy of his salt who didn't ascend to the heavens...Spoken by a man who comes from Glastonbury I believe. Not too far from the Isle of Avalon...
887. Dawkins warns of human extinction
Comment #155279 by epeeist on April 4, 2008 at 9:47 am
Comment #155264 by Artful_Dodger
Sorry, he's just a metaphor.Jesus of Nazareth
So how do you resolve the question of which God to believe in?
888. Dawkins warns of human extinction
Comment #155223 by epeeist on April 4, 2008 at 8:43 am
Comment #155198 by al-rawandi
Sorry doctor, I am afraid you are wrong. The patient actually died yesterday, the cause of death was "fundie post-and-run" syndrome complicated by "skip-threads-to-avoid-answering-difficult-questions".
I must pronounce time of death....
8:10 am.
Cause:
Pascal's Wager.
889. Pastor attacks scientist's talk
Comment #155063 by epeeist on April 4, 2008 at 5:56 am
Comment #155038 by VanYoungman
Robertson may be an asshole, but logic dictates he makes a valid argument.In the hope of helping the Rev. Dark out - shouldn't that be "logic requires", rather than "logic dicates".
890. Pastor attacks scientist's talk
Comment #154998 by epeeist on April 4, 2008 at 4:01 am
Comment #154973 by The Reverend Dark
And in addition he was asked how he could decide these specific instances were literal or metaphorical. And by what authority could he declare something that is purportedly either directly or indirectly the word of god to be literal or metaphorical.
Your answer to metaphorical vrs literal is not an answer, you were not asked for the general, but the specific. Specific verse. Specific event.
891. Upside-down church sculpture on hit list
Comment #154926 by epeeist on April 4, 2008 at 1:48 am
Comment #154773 by riki
Try this one in Dublin - http://www6.worldisround.com/photos/1/602/175.jpg
There use to be a sculpture of a prostitute in Sydney. A number of people didn't like it and kept knocking it's head off.
892. Pastor attacks scientist's talk
Comment #154913 by epeeist on April 4, 2008 at 12:54 am
Comment #154912 by scottishgeologist
I wonder whether anyone looks at the bottom of the Guardian "Comment is Free" page to see the end of the C.P. Scott quotation "but facts are sacred".
An old Phillips drilling superintendent told me years ago "hey, boy, opinions are like assholes - everybody's got one - and yours stinks!"
893. Pastor attacks scientist's talk
Comment #154909 by epeeist on April 4, 2008 at 12:50 am
Comment #154902 by MaxD
Your diligence on this metaphor point is really quite something! Artful Dodger sadly isn't as deft as his namesake would suggest.
I think it was a meta-litero scalding. And this as we all know is the very worst kind.That only raises the next bit of my questions to AD - how can you tell, and who gave you the authority to determine this ;-)
894. Pastor attacks scientist's talk
Comment #154900 by epeeist on April 3, 2008 at 11:39 pm
Comment #154738 by Artful_Dodger
After the scalding Dawkins got the last timeWould that be a literal scalding or only a metaphorical one?
895. Pastor attacks scientist's talk
Comment #154646 by epeeist on April 3, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Comment #154642 by andydjw
That would be nice. He could actually tell us what all the tenets are that are supposedly the basis of our fundamentalist beliefs.
Mr Robertson said he could have written a better case for atheism
896. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #154476 by epeeist on April 3, 2008 at 10:33 am
Comment #154464 by Steve Zara
They were deceived.No, they were lied to. Deceived is far too nice a word.
897. Fleabytes
Comment #154402 by epeeist on April 3, 2008 at 7:21 am
Comment #154400 by al-rawandi
So what are the odds of Yorkshire finishing above Lancashire in the county championships this year?
More childish nonsense. Perhaps we could discuss something substantive instead of referencing vapid American pop culture?
Really people, don't rob me of my intellectual stimulation in life.
898. Fleabytes
Comment #154397 by epeeist on April 3, 2008 at 7:16 am
Comment #154387 by The Reverend Dark
PS: Epeeist - polite, but reverent applause for an excellent re-branding riff, especially as you bring C.S. Lewis into it from an unexpected, uncomfortable, direction.Thank you for that. To attempt to close the circle, Tolkien (in a quotation that I can't find to hand at the moment, though I believe it was in the introduction to the single volume of "The Lord of the Rings") claimed that he disliked allegory in all its forms. An interesting comment since that is really all that Narnia is (I particularly dislike the last volume, both sanctimonious and racist). Telling too, in that Tolkien and Lewis were drinking buddies, well known in the "Eagle and Child" on St. Giles.
899. Fleabytes
Comment #154383 by epeeist on April 3, 2008 at 6:52 am
Comment #154378 by annabanana
Sorry to be OT, but does anyone else find it funny that when mlearnedfriend's name is abbreviated as MLF it's really close to MILF?Haven't you already apologised once for being OT?
900. Fleabytes
Comment #154374 by epeeist on April 3, 2008 at 6:34 am
Comment #154363 by Philip1978
I wasn't sure whether MLF would be allowed out to play on a Sunday afternoon.
Well, Mylearnedfriend is in Scotland, you are "up north" and I am in Southern Jessie land, I reckon if we meet half way I could make an afternoon pint but it would have to be a swift one!