Comments by Tyler Durden

901. 'Irrational Atheist' trounces God-deniers

Comment #117581 by Tyler Durden on January 29, 2008 at 6:38 am

I keep waiting for a theist to show up and really argue their side, but all I ever hear is the same old rhetoric.

That's 'cause they have the buy-bull, which we all know is the word of god, inerrant and infallible! Oh, wait...

902. 'Irrational Atheist' trounces God-deniers

Comment #117518 by Tyler Durden on January 29, 2008 at 2:54 am

I would like him to give some examples of Dawkins and Harris's errors.

Indeed, would make for interesting reading.

Richard, defend yourself! :-)

903. 'Irrational Atheist' trounces God-deniers

Comment #117514 by Tyler Durden on January 29, 2008 at 2:35 am

Patronising, Arrogant and Condescending....all of the traits required in a fundy.

Not to mention a complete lack of evidence to back up his spurious claims: "If Sam Harris didn't talk so much about Islam and make so many egregious errors" or "Dawkins, Harris and Hitchens, who are entirely occupied with making groundless assertions when they aren't busy drawing errant conclusions from incorrect data."

904. 'Irrational Atheist' trounces God-deniers

Comment #117495 by Tyler Durden on January 29, 2008 at 1:19 am

If I were an atheist, I'd be deeply embarrassed to have these clowns as the public face of my religious identification.

Atheism is not a religion, douchebag!

Farah: Are atheists becoming more militant? Extreme? Why?

Huh? Not "If so, why?", simply "Why?", talk about biased questioning.

So why are you making the entire book available as a free download from your blog?

Desperation! Pure and simple desperation: "Somebody read my book, pleeaasee!!"

905. A Letter From Hell

Comment #117056 by Tyler Durden on January 28, 2008 at 6:59 am

Comment by lindseymwright:

The idea behind it is that for those of us who have a relationship with Christ, we should not conceal it.

Oh please, conceal it, I'm begging you. We're all tired listening to your childish, evil, spiteful fairy tales! I have to walk by a huge billboard on my way to college stating: "The Lord Jesus said: I tell you repent or ye shall all likewise perish." Luke 13:5

Seriously, who needs to read that rubbish while going about one's personal business in a modern city in the 21st century? It's bordering on hate-speech. (I can understand the tax man getting away with "Pay your taxes or go to jail" type warnings, but this is pitiful)

I've already torn it down once, needless to say it won't be there for much longer!

906. Ore. Court: Boy Has Say in Circumcision

Comment #117044 by Tyler Durden on January 28, 2008 at 6:27 am

"I think what may be delicate and tricky is ... how much we can trust what the 12-year-old says, given the circumstances," said Carl Tobias of the University of Richmond.

Huh? What an idiot.

If a 12-year old boy does not want part of his penis chopped off you abide by his wishes Mr Tobias - this has nothing to do with maturity or "trust" but respect.

907. A Letter From Hell

Comment #116015 by Tyler Durden on January 25, 2008 at 9:47 am

Dr. Hibbert: Is that the love between a man and a woman? Or the love of a man for a cuban cigar?

:)

908. Jesus Camp: A scary movie that should frighten us all

Comment #116009 by Tyler Durden on January 25, 2008 at 9:08 am

Hi MPhil,

I've had a read and added some corrections, feel free to pick 'n' choose what you require.

TD

Dear Editor,

With regard to the "The dark side of religious madness" article (25th Jan 2008) on the showing of the "Jesus Camp" documentary with subsequent discussion at the local cinema. Is the title of this article a faux-pas by the writer responsible? "The dark side of religious madness" - is there a bright side to religious madness?

Luckily, the mindset depicted in this rightly alarming movie is still a fringe-phenomenon here in Germany, and coming out against such madness, as some German ecclesiastics do, is surely a good thing. How sad that, as far as I can tell from the article, the real problem was not addressed in the discussion:

Holding-true to bronze-age myths without any evidence, orienting one's life and morality after a book that values obedience and belief more than reason and empathy, a book whose protagonists, as becomes evident when reading without bias, also (and largely) demonstrated and preached more contempt for mankind and cruelty than altruism and kindheartedness.

This is even true of Jesus, the preacher of love of one's enemy and neighbor. Those who aren't for him, are against him (Luke 11, 23). Also, he preached eternal damnation, and torture in hell for those who do not follow God's law or who seduce others to evil (Luke 10, 11; Matthew 25, 41; 18, 6; 13:41-42; 11:22-24). Add to that the misogyny of Paul and the praising of cruelties, murders and genocides in the old testament. Faith itself, and the conviction that this faith is a good thing, is the problem, particulary in the 21st Century.

Certainly, the majority of Christians in this country are good and decent people. But let's be honest, one does not gain morality from ficticious figures in a book, especially a book that provides justification for unspeakable atrocities. One gains morality by emotional and intellectual understanding of the needs of our fellow human beings.

Clinging to antiquated myths is certainly neither necessary nor particulary helpful for this - and this is a point that should have been central to the debate: The bible legitimizes such fundamentalism more than the watered-down European version of Christianity. The problem is not the "how" of believing, but the "that" of believing.

909. A Letter From Hell

Comment #115974 by Tyler Durden on January 25, 2008 at 7:07 am

rod-the-farmer,

I agree, investigating how they tagged site as Racist might open up a few questions with regard to my, ahem, "work ethic", so will have to leave that one alone :)

As I've mentioned here before, I cannot access any religious sites while in work ("Your request was denied because of its content categorization: "Traditional Religions;Religion") yet I can access RD.net - so atheism is not a religion! Q.E.D. :)

910. A Letter From Hell

Comment #115954 by Tyler Durden on January 25, 2008 at 5:59 am

Trying to navigate to smellthebrimstone.com here in work gives me:

Access Denied (content_filter_denied)

Your request was denied because of its content categorization: "Racism and Hate"

Yep, sounds about right, I must congratulate my IT Services dept.

911. A Letter From Hell

Comment #115922 by Tyler Durden on January 25, 2008 at 4:02 am

Blues? Cool, I'm going to Hell :)

912. A Letter From Hell

Comment #115917 by Tyler Durden on January 25, 2008 at 3:18 am

Corylus

Yes I know, What Women Want was a dreadful movie, kids should be shielded from such garbage! :)

Tyler

913. The real danger in Darwin is not evolution, but racism

Comment #115522 by Tyler Durden on January 24, 2008 at 9:28 am

philly.com are "interested in hearing from you!", so perhaps we should:

http://www.philly.com/philly/about/feedback/

914. The real danger in Darwin is not evolution, but racism

Comment #115504 by Tyler Durden on January 24, 2008 at 9:02 am

Beth,

Where/who do you teach? Do you encounter resistence to evolution in any of its forms?

915. The real danger in Darwin is not evolution, but racism

Comment #115476 by Tyler Durden on January 24, 2008 at 8:27 am

In case you think Darwin sounds like a Nazi, there is a connection. Darwin's ideas were complicit in the rise of Nazi ideas. Heinrich von Treitschke and the biologist Ernst Haeckel also drew on Darwin's writings to justify racism, nationalism and harsh policies toward the poor and less privileged.

Yes, what's the point here? Einsten was implicit in the advancement of the atom bomb - should we stop teaching physics in schools?

916. The real danger in Darwin is not evolution, but racism

Comment #115467 by Tyler Durden on January 24, 2008 at 8:14 am

Comment #115452 by Beth:

Isn't it nice to think of us as all having come out of Africa? Doesn't that make others seem a little less frightening, and perhaps a lot less easy to hate?

Beth, while I agree wholeheartedly with you sentiment, this could be why there is so much hate and disagreement. Perhaps some people just don't want to believe we are "out of Africa" or even "cousins" - they want to believe the magic, fairy tale that they are different, special and unique.

Just my $0.02

917. The real danger in Darwin is not evolution, but racism

Comment #115459 by Tyler Durden on January 24, 2008 at 8:06 am

...and to defend the inherently negative proposition of a-theism.

I actually spend most of my time explaining a-theism as opposed to defending it.

As for the proposition of a-theism being "inherently negative" - is the absence of Santa Claus or the tooth fairy "negative"? No, just reality.

918. The real danger in Darwin is not evolution, but racism

Comment #115405 by Tyler Durden on January 24, 2008 at 6:53 am

I've used their feedback page: http://www.philly.com/philly/about/feedback/ to enquire as to where Campolo sourced his Darwin quotes from, specifically with regard to his use of:

"Had they actually read Origin, they likely would be shocked to learn that among Darwin's scientifically based proposals was the elimination of "the negro and Australian peoples,"

in order to defame Darwin.

919. The real danger in Darwin is not evolution, but racism

Comment #115391 by Tyler Durden on January 24, 2008 at 6:24 am

Comment #115385 by konquererz:

Unlike the church, it didn't take people who believe in evolution and are atheists a thousand years to realize that racism and slavery are wrong and cease the support of it.

Jim Wallis, author of God's Politics: Why the Right Gets It Wrong and the Left Doesn't Get It (2005) and Faith Works: How Faith Based Organizations Are Changing Lives, Neighborhoods, and America (2000), was on ~~The~~ A Daily Show during the week, yet he insisted that the Civil Rights movement and abolition of slavery were "religious movements". And he's one of the more liberal Evangelical Christians - or is that just an oxymoron?

920. The real danger in Darwin is not evolution, but racism

Comment #115386 by Tyler Durden on January 24, 2008 at 6:08 am

Comment by PMartin:

And on reflection, pointing the dunderheads to a more modern account won't necessarily work. Look what they try on with "The Selfish Gene".

Exactly. And yet they insist their Bible is "infallible" and "inerrant"

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!

921. Mixing Mammals

Comment #115370 by Tyler Durden on January 24, 2008 at 5:23 am

Not long now before Mr. Burns gets his winged monkeys - "Fly, my pretties, fly!" :)

922. The real danger in Darwin is not evolution, but racism

Comment #115351 by Tyler Durden on January 24, 2008 at 4:33 am

I would possibly go even further and only have religions discussed as mythology - the debunking being presented in the same lesson as the myths.

Exactly! We have "The theory of evolution", they have "the myth of creation."

923. Lewis Black - The Devil's Handiwork

Comment #115349 by Tyler Durden on January 24, 2008 at 4:25 am

From the clip:

"I would love to have the faith that it (creation) took place in seven days but... (pause) I have thoughts. And that can really fuck up the faith thing!"

Exactly. It's the whole "get 'em while they're young" credo. I wonder how many people convert to a major religion (discounting cults like Scientology) from a state of atheism/agnostic/non-belief after attending a reputable college?

"Whenever anybody tries to tell me that they believe it took place in seven days I reach for a fossil, and go: FOSSIL"

Classic.

The irony of the creationist "museum" in Kentucky is that it's built upon fossils which it looks to deny: "Ham's "scientists" weren't the least bit curious about the very rocks upon which the "museum" was constructed. The fact is these rocks abound with marine fossils from the Ordovician period (which began approximately 510 million years ago with the end of the Cambrian and ended around 445 million years ago with the beginning of the Silurian)." www.noanswersingenesis.org.au/AiG_museum_utube2.htm

924. The real danger in Darwin is not evolution, but racism

Comment #115338 by Tyler Durden on January 24, 2008 at 3:29 am

Couple of years ago, while working in the suburbs of Dublin, I was reading The Blind Watchmaker on the bus one morning while the guy sitting next to me was reading the Bible. Oh, the irony :)

(I resisted the urge to say anything, not my usual style!!!)

925. The real danger in Darwin is not evolution, but racism

Comment #115333 by Tyler Durden on January 24, 2008 at 3:11 am

I'm about one-third thru Matt Ridley's The Red Queen, tough going. Dawkins makes evolution not only an interesting read but also quite easy to understand.

I have The Ancestor's Tale on my bookshelf ready for the summer soon as I finish exams!

926. Death Sentence for Afghan Student

Comment #115329 by Tyler Durden on January 24, 2008 at 3:02 am

Comment #115317 by irate_atheist:

Likewise, don't invest in a country with green in its flag.

And what exactly is wrong with Ireland? :)

927. Banned From Church

Comment #115309 by Tyler Durden on January 24, 2008 at 1:42 am

The charge was trespassing, but Mrs. Caskey's real offense, in her pastor's view, was spiritual. Several months earlier, when she had questioned his authority, he'd charged her with spreading "a spirit of cancer and discord" and expelled her from the congregation.

They called the cops for this? And the cops actually answered the call? Idiots!

What about charging Pastor Jason Burrick with wasting police time?

928. Ken Ham in Leicester April 2008

Comment #114928 by Tyler Durden on January 23, 2008 at 7:38 am

Hi _J_

If I may:

"I suppose it'd have to be pointing out that Ham's teachings are not solely religious in their sweep, but subversive to science and reason. I guess referring to the creation "museum" would substantiate this criticism."

:)

929. Ken Ham in Leicester April 2008

Comment #114913 by Tyler Durden on January 23, 2008 at 7:13 am

"His arguments have not gained acceptance with any major scientific organization. In particular, No Answers in Genesis www.noanswersingenesis.org.au lists specific criticisms of Ham's teachings on science"

As for his, ahem, "education":

Bachelors of Science in Applied Science from Queensland Institute of Technology in Australia.
Diploma of education from the University of Queensland in Australia.
Doctor of Literature, (Honorary degree) 1993, from Liberty University.
Doctor of Divinity, (Honorary degree) 1997, from Temple Baptist College.
Doctor of Letters, (Honorary degree) 2004, from Liberty University.

Ken, put the Bible down and pick up a science book, you're just embarrassing yourself!

930. This Week's Flea

Comment #114862 by Tyler Durden on January 23, 2008 at 4:14 am

ADH,

Do you speak Greek, Hebrew or ancient Aramaic? More to the point - can you read Greek, Hebrew or ancient Aramaic?

What language did you read LotR in? If it were translated over time from its original text by unknown sources, would you trust the veracity of it or would you inisist on reading the original?

931. Life-Forming Chemicals Found in Distant Galaxy

Comment #114858 by Tyler Durden on January 23, 2008 at 4:09 am

The discovery, which was unveiled at the American Astronomical Society conference in Austin, Texas, last week...

Wow! Imagine being involved in that conference... and then realizing you're still actually in the evolution-denying state of Texas!

932. Stop revisionist Christian nation House Resolution 888

Comment #114467 by Tyler Durden on January 22, 2008 at 8:54 am

Anna,

You hit the nail on the head, congrats!

As a side note, I would also have asked him to consider taking "In God We Trust" off your money :)

933. Florida in the process of approving new science standards

Comment #114423 by Tyler Durden on January 22, 2008 at 7:36 am

Bloody Americans, they call a game where the ball is carried for most of the time football, which means they have to rename the real game "soccer".

And call a score a "touchdown" when in fact the ball does not even have to touchdown, whereas in rugby it most definitely does! Daft Yanks!

As for cricket, any game that lasts 5-days and can still be called a draw is just I-N-S-A-N-E ;-)

And Steve, my mate "Dave" who is an intelligent guy, yet deeply religious, thinks the theory of gravity is still open as something may come along in the future to succeed it!?!?!? I know, I know, I've lost the will to live trying to explain evolution to him.

934. Florida in the process of approving new science standards

Comment #114365 by Tyler Durden on January 22, 2008 at 4:39 am

Comment by LorienRyan:

The point I am trying to make is to let the evidence do the talking, so to speak.

But the Creationists don't let something like evidence get in the way of spouting rubbish and lies, and while I agree the evidence should be enough to convince most people, some people are beyond listening.

My friend "Dave" is one of these. Intelligent guy, deeply religious, but when I try to explain evolution to him, he simply switches off. Does not want to know.

I gave him Darwin on Natural Selection book for Christmas :)

935. The devilish church practice of exorcism

Comment #114348 by Tyler Durden on January 22, 2008 at 3:16 am

Having imaginary demons waiting for you in the "afterlife", eager to torture you for eternity.

Not to mention having your own parents tell you about these "demons" should you not behave!

936. This Week's Flea

Comment #114342 by Tyler Durden on January 22, 2008 at 2:44 am

ADH,

Do you speak Greek, Hebrew or ancient Aramaic? More to the point - can you read Greek, Hebrew or ancient Aramaic?

If not, then you are simply basing your life on a book(s) translated over time by people you never met, and never will. Ever played Chinese whispers or Telephone?

What language did you read LotR in? If it were translated over time from its original text by unknown sources, would you trust the veracity of it or would you inisist on reading the original?

937. Gay Jesus play blasted by bishop

Comment #114333 by Tyler Durden on January 22, 2008 at 1:38 am

Comment by Philip:

Why not check his sodding birth date first, was it 4BC or 6AD?

And the date of his "death" moves with the moon in the spring equinox? Huh? (Good Friday is the Friday before Easter Sunday which is the first Sunday after the Paschal Full Moon, usually the first full moon of spring).

They can't tell the exact date when their messiah was crucified? Surely an event of that magnitude would be inscribed on tablets/parchments etc.

Instead, we get: "Well, we're not quite sure, so we'll let the moon decide". Wackos!

938. The New Theology

Comment #114041 by Tyler Durden on January 21, 2008 at 9:07 am

Tyler: Sagan is expressing an opinion

Sagan is expressing a qualified opinion. We are all entitled to our own opinion, but we are not entitled to our own facts!

Interesting, but ultimately I and you as an individual have to look at the evidence and research for ourselves and come to our own conclusion.

Scientific evidence is present/discovered regardless of what my belief system is... evolution doesn't care, astronomy doesn't care, geology doesn't care... it's simply evidence - unless you interpret the evidence in a way that suits your purpose/agenda.

It is my impression that you atheists are as big on quoting other atheists as Christians are on quoting from the Bible.

Ah, yes The Bible, one of the reasons I am an atheist/rationalist/non-believer. Not quite the same now is it? Peer-reviewed books/journals/papers from modern-day versus bronze-age myths/legends from no discernable author(s). No comparison!

939. This Week's Flea

Comment #114014 by Tyler Durden on January 21, 2008 at 8:08 am

Comment by Artful_Dodger:

In any case, to define your ideological position, your core philosophy of life in terms of a negative prefix is a little sad. It aslo shows a lack of imagination.

It's only a negative toward a belief in god/gods (you seem incapable of grasping that oh so simple premise, strange!), apart from that my life's pretty positive!

You don't need imagination to have a belief in god/gods, only a mind ripe for indoctrination! Hence the "get them while they're young" credo!

940. The God Delusion: Now Available in US Paperback

Comment #114006 by Tyler Durden on January 21, 2008 at 7:51 am

I think the "definition" of the Bible which appears in the picture attached to tieInterceptor's post is an absolute classic...

Indeed, class! Were there kangaroos on the ark? If so, how'd they get there? "Strewth, Mick, get the lads, we're heading for the Middle East, pronto, get hopping, fair dinkum" :)

October - I feel the longer you live with the acceptance that we are "gone" after we die, the more your life will be meaningful now. Think of all the theists who live for later. Not only that, but they actively live their lives in anticipation of an afterlife, almost like a reward. (And let's not forget the suicide bombers, idiots!)

941. The New Theology

Comment #113986 by Tyler Durden on January 21, 2008 at 6:25 am

Comment by brother john:

By all means continue worshipping at the shrine of Carl Sagan and anyone else -who's a big name - and who, crucially, believes the same as you do

It's what Sagan has proven thru research and evidence and shown to be true over time that I'm interested in, not what we simply "share" a belief in - there is a difference, I'm not sure you see it.

And I'll leave the "worshipping" up to the theists, not my cup of tea, ta!

942. Huckabee Wants A 'Faith-based' Constitution

Comment #113971 by Tyler Durden on January 21, 2008 at 5:32 am

"Marriage has historically, as long as there's been human history, meant a man and a woman in a relationship for life."

For life? Really?

Number of marriages in US during 2005: 2,230,000

Marriage rate: 7.5 per 1,000 total population
Divorce rate: 3.6 per 1,000 population

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/divorce.htm

What colour is the sky in your world, Mike?

943. Ethical storm as scientist becomes first man to clone HIMSELF

Comment #113902 by Tyler Durden on January 21, 2008 at 1:27 am

This headline made me laugh on first reading... then I saw it was from the Daily Mail - and I laughed even harder! :)

Headline in Daily Mail: "Boy trapped in refrigerator eats own foot."

944. Huckabee Wants A 'Faith-based' Constitution

Comment #112826 by Tyler Durden on January 18, 2008 at 6:32 am

Top 10 Moments in Mike Huckabee's Extremism
http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/000854.htm#six

4. Huckabee Undermines the Teaching of Evolution

Mike Huckabee hasn't merely repeatedly proclaimed his ignorance of evolution. During his days as Arkansas Governor, he presided over efforts to undermine the teaching of Darwin's theory in the state's public schools.

Huckabee was one of the three GOP White House hopefuls at a Republican debate in May who raised his hand when asked "who doesn't believe in evolution?" And receiving the endorsements of 60 pastors in Iowa last week, Huckabee reiterated his position that:

"I believe God created the heavens and the Earth. I wasn't there when he did it, so how he did it, I don't know. That's an irrelevant question to ask me - I'm happy to answer what I believe, but what I believe is not what's going to be taught in 50 different states. Education is a state function. The more state it is, and the less federal it is, the better off we are."

But as the Arkansas Times detailed in 2006, then Governor Huckabee similarly claimed not to know that schools in his state were pressuring instructors not to teach evolution in the classroom. In its piece titled "Scientists Discover That Evolution is Missing from Arkansas Classrooms," the paper documented a shocking July 2004 exchange between Huckabee and a pupil on "Arkansans Ask," his regular show on the Arkansas Educational Television Network:

MODERATOR: Schools are dodging Darwinism?

HUCKABEE: "I'm not familiar that they're dodging it. Maybe they are. But I think schools also ought to be fair to all views. Because, frankly, Darwinism is not an established scientific fact. It is a theory of evolution, that's why it's called the theory of evolution. And I think that what I'd be concerned with is that it should be taught as one of the views that's held by people. But it's not the only view that's held. And any time you teach one thing as that it's the only thing, then I think that has a real problem to it."

Oh boy!

"Darwinism is not an established scientific fact."

Huh? The scientific community would disagree with you there Mike!

"It is a theory of evolution, that's why it's called the theory of evolution."

Idiot! Did this guy graduate from college? Yep, it's a theory, just like gravity is a theory - Newton's theory of gravitation. Do you believe in gravity Mike?

945. The Group Delusion

Comment #112801 by Tyler Durden on January 18, 2008 at 5:37 am

wooter,

1. How old are you?
2. What is your native language?
3. What is the name of your god?
4. Where is this Birmingham Palace you speak of?
5. Do you know what the Darwinian theory of evolution by natural selection actually describes?

946. 2 fleas for the Christmas week

Comment #111625 by Tyler Durden on January 15, 2008 at 7:24 am

Comment by Goldy:
Wee Frees told to 'cheer up' by own magazine

Mr Robertson said on Sunday that the reaction to his liberal stance had been largely positive.

However, his call for cheerier congregations and ministers has not met with universal approval.

One reader wrote to cancel his subscription and accused Mr Robertson of "endorsing witchcraft".

Ha, ha, class! Guess the congregation would like to remain dogmatic and in the dark ages! Sounds about right.

947. Evolution Debate Led to Ouster, Official Says

Comment #111619 by Tyler Durden on January 15, 2008 at 7:14 am

"No wonder Texas is the laughing stock of the ~~nation~~ world."

948. The Group Delusion

Comment #111591 by Tyler Durden on January 15, 2008 at 4:44 am

Comment by epeeist:

What do you think the reaction of the god botherers is going to be when (if?) we discover life of any complexity somewhere else in the universe.

"Fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope... and nice red uniforms!"

Fanactical translations of the Bible, Koran and Torah into Klingon - or maybe Vulcan, if we are to believe "Star Trek: First Contact" :-)

949. The Group Delusion

Comment #111579 by Tyler Durden on January 15, 2008 at 3:58 am

Amusing to see the sheer number of ways Wooter deploys the argument from design.

One can only wonder at his insufferable "argument" for why his eye has a blind spot and initially sees images upside-down on the retina only for the corpus callosum in brain to turn the image right-ways up!

I'm guessing: "goddidit" :)

950. The Group Delusion

Comment #111564 by Tyler Durden on January 15, 2008 at 2:40 am

Hi Josh,

As entertaining as wooter is, in short bursts, he's constantly spamming threads with garbage. So, in the words of Yaphett Kotto (Parker) from "Alien":

"Look, I am.... I've heard enough of this, and I'm asking you to pull the plug."

Thanks,
TD