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901. Fleabytes

Comment #154369 by epeeist on April 3, 2008 at 6:29 am

Comment #154361 by gimlibengloin


Talk about wishful thinking. Maybe you're the one suffering heatstroke. You need to get in out of the sun.
Ah, this would an ad hominem would it?

902. Fleabytes

Comment #154355 by epeeist on April 3, 2008 at 6:11 am

Comment #154353 by Roland_F

The 3 woman where Jesus mother Mary, Sister Salome and wife Mary Magdalene
Hmm, hadn't cottoned that one before. Are they there in the form of the triple goddess, crone, wife and maid?

903. Fleabytes

Comment #154354 by epeeist on April 3, 2008 at 6:07 am

Comment #154349 by Philip1978

Mylearnedfriend

Beer is good and I would happily have a pint with you!
Me too. Would Sunday afternoon suit?

904. Fleabytes

Comment #154331 by epeeist on April 3, 2008 at 5:37 am

Comment #154321 by BillySands

If a evolutionist acknowledges the lack of evidence for evolutionary development in the rocks then that is strong evidence for such absence. The creationist then argues that such absence is a direct prediction of creation but not of evolution. The Genesis account predicts it whereas the evolutionists have to pull of all sorts of torturous contortions to accommodate it.

1. The evolutionist is not saying the fossil record is useless

2. How on earth does this confirm the creationist view - and 4 billion species on an ark?

If the fossil record was a problem because of its incompleteness, then it would not be neat - you would have groups in the wrong strata - and there are no cases of rabbits in the cambrian, ordovician, siluriuan, devonian...... get the picture - infact, change rabit for any modern species. You are the contortionist.

As usual creationists tend to be fairly loose with their quantifiers.

If creation is correct then there would have to be no fossil record, no fossil stratification, no varves or ice cores older than 6000 years, no consilience between dating methods.

These are predictions from their hypothesis, they are false. Ergo, their hypothesis is also false.

905. Fleabytes

Comment #154325 by epeeist on April 3, 2008 at 5:25 am

Comment #154310 by Bonzai

Being a computer person who knows AI maybe you can write a little subroutine to generate automatic reply when it detects certain key creationist phrases and user names like "wooter".
Fuck, you just had to do it, didn't you. He hasn't posted since March 31st, he has bound to come back once his name is invoked ;-)

906. Fleabytes

Comment #154309 by epeeist on April 3, 2008 at 5:03 am

Comment #154303 by Steve Zara

I have just run out of energy for dealing with idiotic creationists in debates here.
Especially as this one is using a name which identifies him as one of the maggots that came to life in the frost giant Ymir's flesh. They later turned into dwarves.

Amusing that he uses the name presumably assuming Professor (not Mr.) Tolkien made it up. The name comes from the "Gylfaginning" in the "Prose Edda" of Snorri Sturlson. This describes how Odin deceives King Gylfi of Sweden.

So a name from one mythos, and belief in another.

907. Fleabytes

Comment #154268 by epeeist on April 3, 2008 at 2:44 am

To bring it sort of back to topic - is there a report from the talk RD gave at UHI available as yet?

908. Fleabytes

Comment #154227 by epeeist on April 3, 2008 at 12:04 am

Comment #154066 by Corylus

On the music debate, one of my favourite pieces of music is Faure's requiem (unsure about his religious affliations but the language is obviously religious).
Look at the words and compare with other Requiems. It looks as though he was somewhat ambivalent about religion in that he leaves bits out he doesn't particularly like.

Nice analysis of DAR by the way.

909. Fleabytes

Comment #154062 by epeeist on April 2, 2008 at 1:38 pm

Comment #154058 by ForestMist

maybe I am reading too much into it, but I still don't understand what difference it makes as to whether a musician is atheist or not.
I shouldn't worry about it. It is perfectly possible to listen to something like Josquin's Missa L'Homme Arme (which I happen to be doing at the moment) and enjoy it purely for the music.

One of the few pieces I cannot listen to is Elgar's "Dream of Gerontius". Newman's words fill me with loathing.

910. Fleabytes

Comment #154053 by epeeist on April 2, 2008 at 1:11 pm

Comment #154043 by gimlibengloin


I think your getting too upset about this. Billy's point was that Jeremiah 4:10 is evidence that God lies. My point was it simply records what people like Jeremiah said whether what they said was correct or otherwise. For example the book of Job contains much of what Job said concerning God but near the end in chapter 38:2 God tells Job "You don't know what you're talking about" (my paraphase).
In the absence of Billy. I suspect that his point that in the holy book you happen to believe there are passages (not evidence) that indicate that your god lies.

What you now seem to be doing is fudging the bits you don't like while still claiming "honesty, transparency, integrity" for the bits you do.

"The fossil record is like a film of evolution in which 999 of a thousand frames have been lost on the cutting room floor".


Quite a good analogy. In a short film that would make it almost unintelligible. However, if we let one frame be a year then even allowing for this loss we would still get a film over 40 hours long running from the estimated start of life until now. So still a lot of information and evidence.

Considerably more than for your god in fact.

911. Fleabytes

Comment #154035 by epeeist on April 2, 2008 at 12:31 pm

Comment #154032 by al-rawandi

Slaves to the fad.... all of you.
I would hardly call http://www.gothicvoices.co.uk/soundLinks/agincourtCarolHQ.ram faddish.

912. Fleabytes

Comment #153989 by epeeist on April 2, 2008 at 11:05 am

I don't follow this new-fangled pop music. You don't get many openly atheist composers until after the Baroque era. Mozart refused a priest on his death bed, his letters indicate he had lost his faith. Beethoven was a pantheist, Brahms though not an atheist was irreligious. Saint-Saens was an atheist, as were Berlioz and Paganini. Bizet and Debussy were pagans. Delius and Schubert thought Christianity to be untrue.

913. Fleabytes

Comment #153807 by epeeist on April 2, 2008 at 5:40 am

Comment #153801 by Steve Zara


I suspect much of what you said will have gone way over David's head (some went over mine), but it is great to see such an informed response.
Some of the things I have posted have gone over David's head and most of these have had about 10% of the difficulty of MPhil's post.

914. Anti-Quran Film Fitna Pulled From Web Due to 'Threats'

Comment #153101 by epeeist on April 1, 2008 at 3:24 am

Comment #153095 by Bonzai

But I wouldn't equat the COE with the Islamism that is apparently festering in your country. COE Bishops who opposes same sex marriage are not even in the same league as Mullahs who preach that we should be beheaded and mean it.
Not convinced you are right on this one.

The problem, as always, is the automatic deference that seems to be given to any religion without any thought as to why this should be done or what the consequences are. This not only applies to CofE bishops but teachers, magistrates and a variety of other people. It is starting to change, but it has taken a long time and there are still apologists. Blair and Prince Charles have a lot to answer for.

On top of that I get the feeling that because the current government is largely discredited any claims they make on security are seen to be either pushing their own control freak agenda or crying wolf.

915. Anti-Quran Film Fitna Pulled From Web Due to 'Threats'

Comment #153059 by epeeist on April 1, 2008 at 1:48 am

Comment #153052 by Bonzai

Given all that I sometimes think one has to be insane to have children. At least steve doesn't have any (and neither will I)
It wasn't as obvious (to me at least) when they were conceived.

Having said that I am proud of what my daughters are doing in terms of women's rights. It might be small but their determination to assist both directly and indirectly in the education of women and their support for things like micro-banking does make a difference. I would like a view from Al-Rawandi as to whether subversive efforts like this can generate changes. It certainly seems to do in India where my elder daughter will be working later this year.

916. Anti-Quran Film Fitna Pulled From Web Due to 'Threats'

Comment #153050 by epeeist on April 1, 2008 at 1:03 am

I think Steve Zara's depression may get deeper in the future. Both he and I were born in a kindly era after the second world war where it was possible to break out of the class structure that had been there before. If I had been born 50 years earlier then I suspect I would have ended up a miner as both my grandfathers were.

I don't things are going to be as easy for my daughters. The obvious threat of Islam has been raised here. The quest for an American theocracy seems to have gone quiet for the moment, but I can't imagine them giving up and going away. A rapture ready administration with the amount of nuclear weapons the States has would be frightening.

However, the more likely problems are going to be resource conflicts as peak oil occurs, global warming kicks in and makes areas unfit for agriculture. This and increase in populations in some countries is going to lead to the attempt by large numbers of people to emigrate to more prosperous countries with the concomitant resistance in the destination countries.

917. Anti-Quran Film Fitna Pulled From Web Due to 'Threats'

Comment #152752 by epeeist on March 31, 2008 at 1:12 pm

Comment #152664 by hungarianelephant


If I were a jihadist, I would be most encouraged by the political progress to date, and draw further lesseons from the capitulation to the IRA.
And the seeming readiness of the British Secretary of State for Defence to open discussions with the Taliban.

The comparison of Islamic extremists with the IRA is fairly poor anyway (not picking you up on this hungarianelephant). The IRA were at least aiming for a democracy.

918. In His Name We Pray, Ramen

Comment #152099 by epeeist on March 30, 2008 at 5:37 am

Comment #152097 by Henri Bergson

Why has this website not yet mentioned Geert Wilders' anti-Islam film?
There have been some comments about it on various threads.

Do you think it should have its own thread, and if so why?

919. Iowa county board gives initial OK for ghost hunters to investigate asylum

Comment #151368 by epeeist on March 28, 2008 at 2:57 pm


The Johnson County Board of Supervisors took the initial action on the request from the Johnson County Historical Society, which gives tours of the 153-year-old building.
Why are they looking for ghosts in such a new building?

920. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #151285 by epeeist on March 28, 2008 at 11:45 am

Comment #151278 by craigyk


Yes, a 3D object *intersecting* our 2D world would be visible. And you bring up the point that if God isn't intersecting then he can't influence our universe, but that isn't necessarily true either. I mentioned the fact that he could approach our 2D world tangentially, just as your 3D sphere starts as a point.
"Prefer probable impossibilities to improbable possibilities".

921. Fleabytes

Comment #151282 by epeeist on March 28, 2008 at 11:35 am

Comment #151271 by The Reverend Dark


The ceremony made me more angry than I can remember being in a long time. Jesus came up more often than the deceased. Jesus this. Jesus that. God dropped in occasionally; and the holy spirit flitted past with a single mention. He spoke of her being forgiven for her lapses.
My aunt died last year, a devout Catholic. I felt exactly the same emotions as you. It was blatantly obvious that he had a book with "Say name here" and was more interested in selling Jesus than commemorating my aunt.

922. Expelled Overview

Comment #151262 by epeeist on March 28, 2008 at 10:46 am

Comment #151049 by clearmind


Jon, you are losing it. Take it easy and check your answers again?
Is it just me, I detect a significant improvement in spelling and grammar in this post.

No improvement in content needless to say.

923. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #151259 by epeeist on March 28, 2008 at 10:41 am

Comment #151251 by Jason_29


Interesting point that the Christian God requires mystery to understand.
You misread it, believers have to resort to mystery because they have a morass of contradictions in a holy book and nothing empirical to offer.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but so does evolution? But it's not a mystery because it just hasn't been discovered yet.
Evolution is a proven fact, you can see instances of it both in nature and in the laboratory.

But I suspect you are equivocating between evolution and the theory of evolution. The latter is a scientific theory which has been tested many times and has stood up to those tests. It is still only contingent of course, but if it is to be falsified it will take someone with a serious amount of acumen to do it, and if it is ever done then it will require a new theory to be offered. The attacks by the Discovery Institute and its minions are nowhere near doing this.

924. Fleabytes

Comment #151250 by epeeist on March 28, 2008 at 10:14 am

Comment #151242 by clodhopper

Bring on the LHC I say!
Can't operate yet - the lawyers need to sort it out first - http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/27/823924.aspx

925. Sue Blackmore debates Alister McGrath

Comment #151247 by epeeist on March 28, 2008 at 10:10 am

Comment #151235 by Bonzai


You shouldn't be too literal in reading my posts. I am not a fundamentalist.
[AOL]Me neither[/AOL] (yeah, I know it isn't quite right).

I find this attempt to put a single label on people intensely irritating. I suspect to someone like scooternyc I am a "liberal fascist", as a lapsed member of a Trotskyist organisation who has worked for a British bank I would hate to think what my former colleagues would label me as.

People are (mostly) incredibly complex and multi-dimensional. Reducing them to a single label looses an enormous amount of information about them and, as I think Dr. Benway as said, says more about you than about them.

926. Sue Blackmore debates Alister McGrath

Comment #151232 by epeeist on March 28, 2008 at 9:44 am

Comment #151215 by Bonzai


Riley summarized it better than I can. The moderates are Bayesians.
So how do they estimate their prior probabilities?

Is Plantinga's approach to the truth of Christianity using Bayes statistics any better than that of MPhil's induction about the closedness of the universe?

927. Fleabytes

Comment #151194 by epeeist on March 28, 2008 at 8:58 am

Comment #151161 by kaiserkriss


Different languages, even culture have different senses of humour. English comedy is quite different from North American comedy, one can be quite subtle and cynical, the other quite brash.
After the inimitable Charlotte Green corpsed this morning on BBC Radio 4 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/audio/2008/mar/28/charlotte.green) I was led to http://www.johnners.com/goofs.html - try the one about Michael Holding and the last one with Jonathon Agnew.

And of course - http://www.templestark.com/brps/TheBricklayersStory.mp3

928. Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help

Comment #151153 by epeeist on March 28, 2008 at 8:03 am

Comment #151150 by irate_atheist


Wow. You've uncovered wooter's long lost uncle.
Wooter is happily posting on another thread, claiming that now Ben Stein is on the case the theory of evolution (or ET as he prefers to call it) is on the run.

Whoever would have thought it, a third rate actor waffles on about IDiocy and the whole of the world's evolutionary biologists will be out of a job.

929. Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help

Comment #151149 by epeeist on March 28, 2008 at 7:59 am

Comment #151145 by Quetzalcoatl

They're by no means the only ones who think like this- check out the views of this preacher who has come out in defence of them.

http://www.wausaudailyherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080328/WDH0101/803280742/1581/WDHnews
Try the web page of slippery Eells - http://www.AmericasLastDays.com. Rapture ready as you could imagine.

Personally I liked the disclaimer and the link giving reasons why some of the prophecies have been delayed...

930. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #151061 by epeeist on March 28, 2008 at 5:07 am

Comment #151052 by Bonzai


Maybe I am not reading carefully enough but I really don't find him to be that unreasonable. His main points seem to be that 1)it is possible there is "truth" inaccessible to the scientific method and logic and that 2) in practice science is influenced by human factors (peer reviewed may not be fool proof).
If by truth you mean something that corresponds to the facts then I am not sure that such things do lie outside methodological naturalism in principle. In practice the problems may be simply too hard or too remote for us to test our theories.

MPhil will tell you that all observations are theory-laden, so yes science is influenced by human factors. I have just been reading a paper by Kathleen Okruhlik which points out a lot of the gender assumptions in biology and anthropology for instance. Reading Duhem and Quine on underdetermination indicates that deciding between rival theories may not be as easy or as clear-cut as anticipated.

931. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #151004 by epeeist on March 28, 2008 at 2:00 am

Comment #151001 by MPhil

Some supposed attributes of the Christian God are inherently or mutually contradictory... therefore nothing that supposedly has these attributes could exist.
Which leaves it open to believers to claim that said god does not have these contradictory attributes, in which case one has to ask whether this is really their god in the first place.

The other alternative is to make some nebulous claim as to how the contradictions could be overcome or your objections are invalid, which means they have actually got to make some real arguments.

932. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #151000 by epeeist on March 28, 2008 at 1:19 am

Comment #150994 by craigyk


Sweet, let's deal. How about 80/20? The number means nothing. I was just trying to point out that religious people can use a lot of the same circumstantial evidence we do, but arrive at a different conclusion, and we can't prove their conclusion wrong.
Of course we can't prove that the Christian god does not exist.

However, in the same way one can point out that Zeus, Thor and Atum cannot be proven not to exist. Believers in a god have three things to show - that some kind of deity exists, that this deity is their particular incarnation and that no other gods exist.

933. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #150910 by epeeist on March 27, 2008 at 3:17 pm

Comment #150892 by sleas


Not a bad article from someone decended from apes. I am still trying to teach my monkey to type. He is not catching on very quickly. Does anyone have any suggestions. Maybe he will get better in a couple thousand years.
Err, he wouldn't be called "wooter" by any chance would he?

934. Fleabytes

Comment #150909 by epeeist on March 27, 2008 at 3:12 pm

Comment #150828 by Diacanu


Lemme know when the topic gravitates towards cakes and pies.
We already ate those - see http://richarddawkins.net/articleComments,2285,Fleabytes,Paula-Kirby,page142#150724

935. Fleabytes

Comment #150732 by epeeist on March 27, 2008 at 10:31 am

Comment #150726 by Steve Zara

"Photoshopped" (apparently, this is traditional on the "net")
You only have to believe, then you will see the cake in all its glory.

Oh and Photoshop? Spit, the GIMP or Krita are what people who have computers with real operating systems use.

936. Fleabytes

Comment #150729 by epeeist on March 27, 2008 at 10:28 am

Comment #150727 by Quetzalcoatl


if wedding cakes are anti-aphrodisiac, what do Christmas puddings do?
Natural fruity goodness in both cakes and puddings. No problems with either.

It's the cyanide in the marzipan that causes all the problems. Now a nice piece of Wensleydale, that is totally different. Brandy butter with the mincepies and Christmas pudding of course.

937. Fleabytes

Comment #150724 by epeeist on March 27, 2008 at 10:16 am

Comment #150713 by Steve Zara

I am trying to find a picture.

I am afraid that this is all that is left of this year's batch of Christmas cakes - http://www.flickr.com/photos/10983076@N08/2366101643/

I do have some Christmas puddings left though :-D

938. Fleabytes

Comment #150697 by epeeist on March 27, 2008 at 9:15 am

Comment #150689 by Richard Morgan

No! Just wedding cake prepared by epeeist!
I make a very good rich fruit cake, but it has to be made well in advance and is not to be covered with almond paste and royal icing (which, I am convinced are the anti-aphprodisiacs).

Instead it should eaten with a nice piece of cheese, preferably Wensleydale.

939. Fleabytes

Comment #150671 by epeeist on March 27, 2008 at 8:40 am

Comment #150663 by annabanana

*strikes marriage and monogamous relationships off of "to do" list*

Just don't eat the wedding cake - it has permanent anti-aphrodisiac properties.

940. Fleabytes

Comment #150533 by epeeist on March 27, 2008 at 4:31 am

Comment #150529 by irate_atheist

The Iliad is infinitely superior to the Bible. Your god loses once again. So, based on your latest criteria, the odds are:
Could I ask you to adjust these. Väinämöinen from the Kalevala should be on there. It isn't the best known mythos but it has the advantage of coherence and consistency, something you can't say about other holy books.

941. Two More Fleas

Comment #150498 by epeeist on March 27, 2008 at 2:47 am

Comment #150440 by clearmind

I have been in Cambridge this week. One of the places I took the parents of my daughter's boyfriend around was Trinity college.

As you wander around you can see pictures and statues of some of their famous alumni, Newton being the most well known. Others include Francis Bacon, J.J. Thompson, Eddington, Clerk Maxwell, Rayleigh, Frisch, Kapitsa, de Morgan, Ramunjan, Betrand Russell, Alfred North Whitehead, James Frazer, Tennyson, Byron, Vaughn-Williams and many more, including a total of 32 Nobel Prize winners.

All of these have added to human understanding and enjoyment in fields as far apart as mathematics and music, anthropology and physics.

I then come back to the inane witterings of wooter who seems to have read nothing and intends to avoid reading anything that might trouble his beliefs.

To quote a poet who went to both Oxford and Cambridge:

"The University is a Paradise, Rivers of Knowledge are there, Arts and Sciences flow from thence. Counsell Tables are Horti conclusi (as it is said in the Canticles) Gardens that are walled in, and they are Fontes signati, Wells that are sealed up; bottomless depths of unsearchable Counsels there."

For goodness sake wooter, abandon the bigotry and quest for ignorance. Go read a book (apart from the bible), you might like it.

942. Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help

Comment #149812 by epeeist on March 26, 2008 at 8:51 am

Comment #149801 by heafnerj


Only in America....where child abuse is defended on religious grounds.

Not quite - http://www.tamesideadvertiser.co.uk/news/s/1026293_savage_attack_on_boy_by_imam

Small slap on the wrist. Replace "imam" by "teacher" and think of what the judge would have said.

943. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #149664 by epeeist on March 26, 2008 at 4:45 am

Comment #149662 by Corylus

Right, I am yet again marking Clearmind as a troll.
You and me both. Clearmind wasn't his first login name of course, he originally started as "wooter", though I think "Pooter" might have been better.

944. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #149139 by epeeist on March 25, 2008 at 7:08 am

Comment #149134 by Galactor


You cannot attribute atheism as a means to any end. It's nonsensical.

[snip]

Nor does it make sense to conclude that he performed terrible acts because he was an atheist, no more so to conclude that he did so because he had a moustache.

I think you are wrong on this. Assume that Stalin was an atheist and believed that any other position was wrong. It is perfectly possible to imagine him attempting to bend others to atheism and to kill them if they would not espouse this.

However, in such a case one would have to show that it was specifically this belief that caused the action. Otherwise all you have is a fallacy of composition as Dr. Benway illustrated.

945. Sue Blackmore debates Alister McGrath

Comment #149127 by epeeist on March 25, 2008 at 6:43 am

Comment #149080 by Bonzai


Ancient Middle Eastern languages were not direct and literal like English, they used a lot allusions and metaphores in a way that were weaved into normal speech seamlessly.
Middle English, Norse and Icelandic literature are the same, kennings would be one example.

We have had a similar attempt at discussion with Artful Dodger. What is literal, what is metaphorical, how do you tell the difference between the two and how is the authority to declare which is which granted? He has done his usual post-and-run at this point. You have added another - what does the metaphor mean?

The difficulty I have is the moving of the line as the needs of other arguments require. Thinking theists are happy to declare Genesis symbolic until one asks what therefore did Jesus die for, at which point Adam and Eve seem to acquire some level of literalness again.They want to eat their cake and have it.

946. The Emptiness of Theology

Comment #149025 by epeeist on March 25, 2008 at 1:39 am

Let's be slightly careful here. At Easter I can normally get to a performance of one of the world's most sublime pieces of music the "St. Matthew Passion". I certainly wouldn't want to see music, art and literature dismissed as "empty", even that stemming from religion.

A question - let us suppose theology did disappear from universities, there would still be a need for some of the things it discusses. Could these be completely dispersed into social anthropology, history, sociology and psychology?

947. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #148832 by epeeist on March 24, 2008 at 2:55 am

Comment #148754 by clearmind


Hi mr Dawkins

Shudder - clear thinker and clear mind on the same thread.

Teh wooter (aka clearmind) is still trying to convince us that wolves and dogs are of two different "kinds" and therefore cannot interbreed (at least that is what I think he is trying to say).

Mind you he is still convinced there is a "Birmingham Palace" in the UK, that the sun runs on oil and angels are making the earth rotate.

948. Two More Fleas

Comment #148806 by epeeist on March 24, 2008 at 1:24 am

Comment #148755 by clearmind


To reverend
I have no hard feeling on you though you are losing it at times by insulting. I don't why but I feel something logical in you reverend, that's why I made

Well at least he had it to lose in the first place.

I am going down to Cambridge today. I might see if my daughter (a "senior" member, much to her distress) can get me into Darwin college.

949. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #148805 by epeeist on March 24, 2008 at 1:13 am

Comment #148801 by lievemebe


Dr. Dawkins assessment is consistent with the Expelled trailer and opinions of other observers of the film. If the release is as bad as the preview it will be both a blight on the documentary film industry and a severe blow to the credibility of creationists.
So how does one go about making nominations for the "Razzies"?

950. Orr on Dawkins

Comment #148410 by epeeist on March 23, 2008 at 1:33 am

Comment #14895 by Sailnsouth


Again back to simplicity, The Christians have already denied a Buddhist, Egyptian, Hindu, or animist god. Atheists (and TGD) just eliminate one more. The logic in that is unassailable.
Small disagreement:

Christians have denied that gods such as Odin, Zeus and Osiris exist, but there again nobody much believes in them any more.

They are also happy to discard smaller religions, like Wicca, that do not have a large influence in the world.

However, with religions that do have an influence like Islam, Judaism, Buddhism or Hinduism they make alliances.

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