51. Cult leader Pyotr Kuznetsov tries suicide after realising he was wrong about doomsday

Comment #156172 by mikejswalker on April 7, 2008 at 2:34 am

Dr Benway,
You get the 'feeling'. Then you get pissed off at someone because you 'smell bullshit'. So you perceive someone is telling you 'how to feel' and you get pissed off at that. Well then, read my post. I said it isn't about the laughing at misfortune. We all do that on occasion.
You just get defensive because you get the 'feeling'.
You know a woman that eats her eye. I'm sure that isn't bullshit.
You are just using it to illustrate a point. I have to trust that your not just trying to manipulate the situation. I mean, you could be
hitting yourself with a log to get votes. If you smell bullshit
it could be your own. It certainly wasn't mine.
As for looking at the thread again, i knew i would coz that is the nature of this beast, so that was my own bullshit.
I'm not telling you how to feel. I'm saying i cannot understand the treatment of a guy who is utterly confused that the world did not end when he said it would and so, for whatever reason, tried to kill himself, was diagnosed schizophrenic, and wished dead.
As you can see by the answers already, people are arguing their point, so sometimes the direct address thing is cool, sometimes it ain't needed. Having said that, I need to 'direct address' a little more.

Max,
Your right, i am pissed. But de-pissing as time passes.

Darwin,
I'll get over it. Just had to make my point after the mini mass exodus. I hope those guys come back and give you lot a damn good thrashing;)
I guess it is in the feeling of disconnection. You see wanker deserves all he gets, I see vulnerable victim of religion.

Octopus,

Writing "This is rather sad ...and secondly - he failed."
gives an obvious impression. If you meant something else, then you should be clearer. This is something i'm trying to learn also,
so i understand how things don't come across in cyber translation.

My 'feeling' is a general one. I have said in past posts perhaps the vitriol comes from a history of fear and suppression.
I have been an atheist all my life. Brought up in a fatherless household by a shcizophrenic mother (seriously, i could quote you funny). But i am not prickly about that or defensive. That was not my dissent catalyst here.
It seems so many are bound up in their own sensitivities.
I think what happened here was wrong.
I think freed children have been released and are biting on questions they don't fully understand yet.

Mikejswalker provokes me to wonder:
1. What crawled up his ass and died?
2. Why does he hang out with people he dislikes so much?

52. Cult leader Pyotr Kuznetsov tries suicide after realising he was wrong about doomsday

Comment #156085 by mikejswalker on April 6, 2008 at 4:43 pm

Dr,
I figure these cats are adult enough to know what quote is what.
The Thread was re-vamped into " it's ok to laugh at misfortune.'
I don't feel that was the issue.
A friend of mine used to get mad at people when they made him feel guilty for abusing them. I tried to point this out to him but he went nuts at me.
There is no manipulation here. No sarcasm. I am trying to understand. Is it deep seated anger.? What the fuck makes an apparently civilised person wish somebody had succeeded in fucking killing themselves Dr?
It feels like lord of the flies here sometimes. The anger seems deep seated enough to ridicule anything that moves.

53. Cult leader Pyotr Kuznetsov tries suicide after realising he was wrong about doomsday

Comment #156071 by mikejswalker on April 6, 2008 at 3:53 pm

Exactly. We are not laughing at the man in reality - we are laughing at a little cartoon we have come up with in our own heads

I actually roared with laughter at the cartoon /mental image of the guy

However I'm dammed if I'm gonna feel sorry for, or have a twinge of regret for laughing at the guy

Bye, asshole.
Bubye.
Bye now.
Bye

I think next time Pyotr should ask "someone else" to smash him over the head with a log

*ha ha ha ha ha........what a dick* *sarcastic laugh*

"Why... OW! Won't... ACH! You... OUCH! Die!"

His followers should have been sealed in with him. Dumbasses.

Shame he didn't succeed

This is rather sad...firstly, 'log' suicide method is not the most sophisticated one...and secondly - he failed

54. Cult leader Pyotr Kuznetsov tries suicide after realising he was wrong about doomsday

Comment #155501 by mikejswalker on April 4, 2008 at 3:25 pm

To laugh because it is far away, because it's disconnected from our 'reality', to infer manipulation, to get angry for being 'lambasted' not for finding the 'comic tragedy' of the scene, but for the scorn and ridicule and utter contempt for a human life so lost and lonely, is so weak i cannot bring myself to look at this thread further.

55. Cult leader Pyotr Kuznetsov tries suicide after realising he was wrong about doomsday

Comment #154967 by mikejswalker on April 4, 2008 at 3:13 am

Ah yes, distance. To distance oneself. It's like people who constantly laugh at anothers' unfortunate episode. They get very sensitive when the joke's on them. If my or others' is considered a holier than thou attitude, then perspectives are truly distorted.
Hanging on to a 'mistake' in that we started laughing, ridiculing,
and wishing the guy had been successful in his suicide attempt, is, in my opinion, contemptible.

56. Cult leader Pyotr Kuznetsov tries suicide after realising he was wrong about doomsday

Comment #154916 by mikejswalker on April 4, 2008 at 1:05 am

Somettimes i use the word 'ladies ' for all company because 'guys' gets used too often. Was not meant in a derogatory way at all. But I take the point.

Quoting different situations in mental hospitals is not the point.
Seeing people in that context, ofcourse can be funny. I wonder if it was always funny, from the start.
This is not that situation. The idea of a guy hitting himself with a log is funny. But the context, his condition, and what brought him to it, is tragic. I have laughed many times at a situation before i knew the full story. Maybe that happened here.



My ma said she was proud to be something she couldn't spell.
I found that funny. Grew up with many scenes of tragedy and hilarity. Sometimes one was a result of the other.
A doomsday cult has humorous possibilties, agreed. But to dull our empathies to the point of withering ridicule is sad indeed.
And to differentiate a 'depressed woman or random atheist' as deserving of that empathy while a mental guy trying to beat his brains out just because he's been inculcated to the point of despair by religiosity, is lackingin reason, mean spirited, petty, and undignified.

Kind Regards
Mike

57. Cult leader Pyotr Kuznetsov tries suicide after realising he was wrong about doomsday

Comment #154785 by mikejswalker on April 3, 2008 at 5:48 pm

'lazy sexism'? Not sure if that is supposed to equate with the story.
But you're right. Gotta watch that.

58. Cult leader Pyotr Kuznetsov tries suicide after realising he was wrong about doomsday

Comment #154781 by mikejswalker on April 3, 2008 at 5:43 pm

Gotta disagree carto,

Not sure if the derision would exist if a woman who lost a child did the same thing. Or an athiest, or dawkins, or.... you get the picture. The derision comes from his religiosity and where it has taken him. Not feeling that cosy here in the warmth of my big chair. I get haunted by these stories because they scream thru the opium of cyber space about the frailty of the human condition.

59. Cult leader Pyotr Kuznetsov tries suicide after realising he was wrong about doomsday

Comment #154768 by mikejswalker on April 3, 2008 at 5:23 pm

Must sit and watch that suffering. Makes me feel good about me.
Get the light someone.

60. Fleabytes

Comment #154765 by mikejswalker on April 3, 2008 at 5:18 pm

Richard,
All very interesting. Let's peruse an idea or two.

61. Cult leader Pyotr Kuznetsov tries suicide after realising he was wrong about doomsday

Comment #154763 by mikejswalker on April 3, 2008 at 5:16 pm

Gotta be careful taking the piss out of schizophrenics ladies. It makes us look dumb. And, what.s more, if you found him, to see a soul so broken, you'd be hard pushed not to help him to his feet.
Think before you think.

Kind regards,

Mike.

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Comment #154757 by mikejswalker on April 3, 2008 at 5:02 pm

Gotta snatch the babies from the abusive sky daddy. Need stealth and determination. Bruises surface easily in 'none so deaf as' company. Never give up, never, never, never, never give up.
Chess is namby pamby. Draughts. Now that's a man's game.

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Comment #154263 by mikejswalker on April 3, 2008 at 2:17 am

AlanF,

Maybe so, but you're drunk. Therefore God exists

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Comment #154153 by mikejswalker on April 2, 2008 at 7:01 pm

Shit a brick!! This thread's a big fat unstoppable seal puppy!!
we're scratchin at the kneecaps of the lord, on our way to his biblical umbilicus and no unctuosity's gonna oil the melodious synthetic ivory's of this here shop window for met mixedaphores.

65. Vote on freedom of expression marks the end of Universal Human Rights

Comment #154127 by mikejswalker on April 2, 2008 at 6:10 pm

Dr Benway/peace
Websters dictionary means nothing when the real hate starts.
Y'know, the way some therapists cry for no apparent reason when the door is closed behind them. Reality bites. We can feel fury without hating. For me, hating has deeper connotations, and therefore, more often, tragic results. A rage can be calmed. But hatred cuts thru those that would try to calm it.
Also, i said, 'all that hatred'. Maybe the question should have been, 'all what hatred?' I should have been more specific. My sadness at this news made me lazy. Apologies.

66. Vote on freedom of expression marks the end of Universal Human Rights

Comment #153225 by mikejswalker on April 1, 2008 at 8:36 am

Hate makes you want to beat the other person more, and will help you win

67. Vote on freedom of expression marks the end of Universal Human Rights

Comment #153216 by mikejswalker on April 1, 2008 at 8:13 am

Randall Terry said,

'I want you to let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good.'

What's wrong with hate?

68. Vote on freedom of expression marks the end of Universal Human Rights

Comment #153166 by mikejswalker on April 1, 2008 at 6:49 am

I didn't say there isn't a place where hate is felt. But saying hate is good, i think is difficult. I get the inate survival thing. But it's the promotion that it's good to hate, that christian fundamentalist 'it's good to hate abortionists' kind of hate that disturbs me. Indotrinated people seem too quick to hate. And too ready to act on it.

69. Vote on freedom of expression marks the end of Universal Human Rights

Comment #153155 by mikejswalker on April 1, 2008 at 6:16 am

Freedoms seem to blur depending on whose interests are at stake.
Pledging one's life, no matter the cost or the lack of justification, is a sad and thoughtless thing indeed. All that hate. Protected by laws. All those profits.

70. Vote on freedom of expression marks the end of Universal Human Rights

Comment #152872 by mikejswalker on March 31, 2008 at 4:57 pm

Human rights is outside the remit of the above mentioned regimes.
Human rights gets in the way of profits. Ask any "great leader".

71. PZ-Away

Comment #152866 by mikejswalker on March 31, 2008 at 4:50 pm

Pz lolly pops then? How about small pictures of the great man that stick directly on each tooth. No, JJ, it's a little crass now methinks.

72. My quest to get de-baptised

Comment #152851 by mikejswalker on March 31, 2008 at 4:20 pm

blimey,
Not much excuse needed in this den of iniquity to talk about undershelf propellor services. Horrid.

73. PZ-Away

Comment #152843 by mikejswalker on March 31, 2008 at 4:08 pm

Please stop now.

74. Fleabytes

Comment #152841 by mikejswalker on March 31, 2008 at 4:06 pm

Bang is metafur. Srsly, no has litrl meenins. If frend sais, "U is da bom!" no meens u has fuse can splode all ovr place, LOLs!

Physicses is testin pothsees bout how singlarty break simtry, and how part is gravty, den strong furs, week furs, lectromag furs. No is full splanation yet. But is scovries liek qwerks an mooins an glooins and is totly fasnatin wut is findins. Dey put scovries in cell fones an GPS an sum cat toys too!

Sience iz in ur fones givin u callz. Take out sience put in Bible and u get no calls. Sience pwns Bible LOL!

HTH, kthxbye

75. Fleabytes

Comment #152192 by mikejswalker on March 30, 2008 at 11:59 am

ah the wit. fast as ya like.

76. Fleabytes

Comment #151947 by mikejswalker on March 29, 2008 at 5:49 pm

Richard,

How can you joke at such a time? As one of the last 72 virgins in the village, I always shudder when a knock comes at the door.
To be confronted with this kind of logic, apple pie logic no less, at
just beneath chest level, was a blow i can tell you. A few words of comfort would salve the soul. Horrid!!

77. Fleabytes

Comment #151918 by mikejswalker on March 29, 2008 at 4:51 pm

Today, while i was hoovering, a jehovas witness knocked on my door. When i opened it, he said, If i threw pastry, Apples, sugar, cinnamon etc into the oven and turn on a medium heat, i wouldn't get an apple pie. He was about 4ft nothing and he wore glasses and squinted in the sun as he looked up at me (I'm 6ft 4).

I felt the need to mother him.

When he had gone, I had to lie down for an hour. He said other things to prove once and for all, that god exists.
I cannot bring myself to write them for fear of throwing myself off the dining table into the sweet arms of oblivion.
Apple pie? Sullied to the bone am I this cold night.

78. Fleabytes

Comment #151407 by mikejswalker on March 28, 2008 at 4:36 pm

Reverend,

The weight of your words, so finely balanced.

Thankyou.

79. Fleabytes

Comment #151008 by mikejswalker on March 28, 2008 at 2:44 am

Pitching in,
Leffe on tap. Belgian. KIng of beers. As for sex, I await it with glee and a touch of intimidation

Regards

80. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #150554 by mikejswalker on March 27, 2008 at 5:25 am

Clearmind.

What's the purpose of oxygen, carbon dioxide, trees, sunlight

81. Expelled from Expelled: PZ story goes global

Comment #150544 by mikejswalker on March 27, 2008 at 5:02 am

Throwing out RD would have been too obvious. No reason. Seen to be frightened.
With PZ they had a back up excuse. He (apparently) wanted to wreck it.
Mathis; 'I'll have the sweet looking SV12 S Biturbo Evolution Merc please and slam it on the Atheist account!!!!'.

Regards,

82. Expelled from Expelled: PZ story goes global

Comment #150517 by mikejswalker on March 27, 2008 at 3:55 am

Bonzai said,

Focus on the message, not the personalities

83. Happy Birthday, Richard Dawkins!

Comment #150314 by mikejswalker on March 26, 2008 at 5:27 pm

Richard Dawkins,



HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!

Clapping our hands red. x

84. Fleabytes

Comment #149689 by mikejswalker on March 26, 2008 at 5:59 am

Steve Zara,


HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!


xxx I admire your abilty to embrace your mistakes.
A rare quality sir.

85. Fleabytes

Comment #149684 by mikejswalker on March 26, 2008 at 5:51 am

Dr Benway,
I'm reading them like a girl reads boy band literature.
I'm just not fully complying yet. Logical conclusions have a nasty habit of being personal in the main. One word can change those conclusions for yet more logical conclusions. Holding on to a premise just because it's the first one we arrive at seems a little like pandering to the 'nothing exists outside my own mind' kind of philosophy. Having said this, i comply fully with your final point.
David is trying to play us, and, in the main, we let him. It looks like he's moved hornets nests. More fun elsewhere I think. I'm reminded of Gene wilder in Willy Wonka where he sighs before one of the kids gets into one of the chewing gum machine (I think) 'stop! Don't! Please!" He says it so whimperingly with such low expectation of a positive outcome.

Happy birthday to your fellow.

Mike

86. Fleabytes

Comment #149361 by mikejswalker on March 25, 2008 at 2:05 pm

Richard,
Could you tell me what religions you were and why you changed? PM me if ya like. If it's too personal, tell me anyway.

87. Fleabytes

Comment #149355 by mikejswalker on March 25, 2008 at 1:56 pm

jesus steve! that's the fastest comment anyone has ever made on a thread. With blockquotes and everything. wow!

88. Fleabytes

Comment #149346 by mikejswalker on March 25, 2008 at 1:43 pm

Allan,
I think you make some salient points.
Just to address a few. I was not making a literal parallel with the conflicts mentioned. I was alluding more to the consequences of using needless epithets at times when a more considered response, IMO would move the debate further. For instance, the debate between you and Spinoza ended with the both of you estranged. If you'll allow me, without a hint of false modesty, I think both of you are far more eloquent and much wider read than I, so, the debate suffers because of epithets. It might be short lived, but some relationships here are irrevocably damaged.
I stand by my points. The way we debate, and are seen to debate, matters. Sam harris, manages to be civil, and absolutely cutting without getting drawn into personalised invective. In fact, for me (i guess that's the main point here) his points comes across more cogently, and much more incisively than if he sneered and jeered his way thru. It dilutes the wit here. It's enervating. I actually find the effort that Irate Atheist makes to restrain himself from saying fucktard much funnier than the word itself. I guess this is a personal thing and your points have made me look at my criticisms with a keener eye. Thank you for your detailed responses.

Regards

Mike

89. Fleabytes

Comment #149167 by mikejswalker on March 25, 2008 at 8:09 am

Dr benway,
Man, she was horrid. I'm not at the point yet that i feel all religionists are that sinister. Are you?
I don't think Richard should give credibilty to such a debate. But i
do think if it was a point by point debate, with a neutral arbitrator,
then Richard would be the steam roller, and i'm afraid David (a shot at invective here) the banana.
Nice can be more dangerous, but not always.

Regards,
mike

90. Fleabytes

Comment #149162 by mikejswalker on March 25, 2008 at 7:52 am

Styrer,
I wasn't referring to your lack of a spine. This would be like saying a mississippi pie lacked mud. A foolish venture.
I await in breathless anticipation, your uniform approbation but not necessarily in that order.

Regards,
Mike

91. Fleabytes

Comment #149141 by mikejswalker on March 25, 2008 at 7:11 am

Dr Benway,
Sometimes i think subtle insults are actually lost on the the person doing the insulting, but i take your point.
I do feel we are too quick with epithets even when the 'victim' is reasonable. YOU DEMENTED FUCKWIT is fear writ large to me.
If such vitriol is hurled because of history, it goes nowhere, it does nothing, except maybe to temporarily spit into the face of the bully that is oppressive religion.
I don't think Richard D should debate David R because of the steam roller banana analogy. I also agree with your thoughts on the matter. But a more sadistic part of me.........

92. Fleabytes

Comment #149070 by mikejswalker on March 25, 2008 at 4:35 am

Allan,
Thanks for a great post.
You explained my position much better than i could. However my perspective is not limlted. I see a ball being smashed to nothing over a threadbare net without the words 'game over' ever being heard. Choose your conflict, middle east, Kashmir, etc etc. The irish question was at least given a chance to be resolved by a rule that said the epithets should stop. They have no place when the big questions come into play. They can cause people of power and influence to leave the table. It matters. Your anger has to take second place i'm afraid, to the needs of people who wait for the all clear signal.
Civilty makes a difference. It's not just about 'we all treat people differently'. It's about being taken seriously. Not lighting the flame needlessly, so that the points are lost in one big conflagration.
I didn't say i agreed with Spinoza, i said good post.

Styrer, Spineless is nodding your head in the face of a seemingly
majority opinion. Stop flirting with me.

93. Fleabytes

Comment #149041 by mikejswalker on March 25, 2008 at 3:05 am

Richard Morgan,



HAPPY BIRTHDAY IN APPROX 5 MONTHS!!

xxx

94. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #149031 by mikejswalker on March 25, 2008 at 2:15 am

Hitler creationist? Darwinist? Nihilist?

I'm afraid he just jumped into bed with anyone who could further his ultimate idea of Aryan supremacy. A more fitting title would be Opportunist.

95. Fleabytes

Comment #149029 by mikejswalker on March 25, 2008 at 1:54 am

RIchard morgan,


HAPPY BIRTHDAY AMIGO!!!


xxx

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Comment #149027 by mikejswalker on March 25, 2008 at 1:45 am

Dr Benway,
I think the way we treat others is the point. Especially if we have influence outside the sphere of this forum. You're wrong about
me being worried about my reputation being sullied. I have no interest other than a yearning for the debate to grow up. Being friendly to pathfinder and David also is not the point. The point is the invective let's them off the hook. It becomes 'your salient, well considered points about my dire behaviour have just sunken into the mud of your splenetic spittal'!
If it's not good enough on the street, across a table in a pub etc, then it's not good enough here.
When you're talking someone down from a burning building, you don't stop to think about patronising them. You don't give two shits about appearing 'honest'. You do what you can to get them down.
I don't care what behaviour reflects on me. Why the need to personalise it or analyse it? 'Hey mom, will ya get me some crisps when ya go to market'? 'Hmmm.... why crisps'?
All i am saying here is, our behaviour has influence. It is naive to think otherwise. People read this stuff and walk away thinking about it. You have an admirable quality of being brutal but to the point. And that point is usually bang on AFAIC.
But sometimes you read too deeply into what is being said and why it's being said. The rape robbed and beaten question is slightly off the mark don't ya think?
I repeat myself. To Ram a point home. Read this thread. You'll see more repeating and ramming home than a record at a rave party.

Regards.

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Comment #148931 by mikejswalker on March 24, 2008 at 5:06 pm

Hi Richard,
People will talk. Let them.
I read all the time 'well if you're going to make snide comments' from atheists who don't seem to want to admit, or are blithely unaware of their own calumny.
I guess repression is a greyhound in a trap. When i's released it's goes nuts until it runs out of steam. Maybe it's because I was not wired to believe. I never had to break out. I think you may have been the same?
Anyhoo, how's the writing coming? What do you use. I just got sibelius. An amazing programme.

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Comment #148922 by mikejswalker on March 24, 2008 at 4:16 pm

Allan,
Are you saying you are not aware of a debate that is starting to open up about the way we deal with religionists, apologists for religionists, fence sitters, and atheists who find our tactics too heavy handed, too smarmy, too loud, ridiculing etc? That's the label. It's why we are called fundamentalist. A totally misused term i know, but that is where it comes from i feel (partly anyway).
This label is alluded to on these threads but it gets slammed down pretty hard, and i'm genuinely confused by that. I have been a part (in a small way) of this thread almost from it's inception and i have been frustrated sometimes that the debate sinks into name calling and ridicule. Man, it gets boring, especially when it's repeated over and over. Sometimes it's funny (reverend can be brilliant at times), but sometimes it's using a steamroller to crush a banana. We may not agree with what is being said about us (although i do feel it's justified sometimes) by media commentators etc, but it's starting to snowball. Do you not feel any resentment to our anger and the way we express it?
There was a debate (one of many) on jewcy.com called 'why are atheists so angry'. I was involved heavily in that debate defending our position and many gave examples on why they were angry. It was a great debate and reasonably civil. But as time goes on i feel an angry cynicism by a resentful, almost veangeful atheist core and it's making me uneasy.
Are you totally the other way? Do you see any point in what i'm saying about isolating, or pushing back those that might have been willing to break the hold of a big bearded bloke in the sky.?

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Comment #148891 by mikejswalker on March 24, 2008 at 1:36 pm

Allanw,
Who said i was their spokesman? What does that even mean? The label that i refer to is slowly forming. Maybe you can't see it. Maybe you don't want to. We cultivate it in the sense that we feed it with our unfunny (OK not always) vitriol. It's like we can't type fast enough to spleen vent. If you think a softly softly approach has been tried for 200 years you're not reading the same history as the rest of the world. The very fact this site exists is a miracle in itself. I'm not talking robustness. I'm talking ridicule. I'm sure you wouldn't do that. But a lot aren't quite as smart as you.
Still, I fully expected to be slapped around by my brain fart.
It's just that these ancient, borrowed epithets, make my point so
beautifully. Don't shout the story, it makes me cover my ears.
Don't you get that?

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Comment #148856 by mikejswalker on March 24, 2008 at 6:23 am

Well this thread is going great guns. A kick up the
arse i think.

The way we debate religionists is important. When
every point made, even genuine blunders (thank gordan
we never make them)
are listed as lies as in 'you said you were a
strawberry blonde but you're actually ginger. Another
LIE!!' It makes the actual lie fade into the distance
because it gets slowly erased in the accusations and
counter accusations. The energy is infectious. This
thread and the whole terribly named 'new atheist' movement is like a train and sometimes it runs away.
The currency of ridicule is weak. The anger is
palpable and it seems many fingers hover over the
epithet button.
It's too easy.

I am not saying that the bible bashing inculcators
don't deserve some of that invective, but it has to
be smarter. Screams in the face and ridicule hand
them ammunition. And if it's they that are doing the screaming, then leave them to hear the echo.
In a discussion where one side is battling to use the
smartest one liner or put down, where the anger gets
fuelled by the ridicule, only the anger is
remembered. The point gets lost.
Ocourse this is debatable in itself, so let's debate
it, it's important. People are watching. Some are
frightened. They are so ready to get back into that
pen. If we spit into the wind, we get an eyeful,
and the onlookers get the sidespray. Jokey death
threats, and a constant stream of anger whether its
perceived anger or the real deal is not going to give
them the confidence to take that next step,
especially when those death threats etc are supported
with conspicuous silence or, at best, a rap on the
knuckles.
Can we truly say we wouldn't have been outraged if
those threats had been aimed at any one of us (I
ofcourse disclude myself having been a frequent critic
of our tactics throughout this amazing thread)?
It's too easy to type 'cunt'.
If i dissent from the line i am called a "concern
troll' What is that exactly? To me it speaks volumes.

Yes, that's all very well and lovey dovey and
everything but don't those fundamentalist christian
halfwit fuckwit twat cunt fucktard lying scumbag
creationist bollock tweaking low life dumb (I do see
the attraction of this) slime eating bible chewing
bastards deserve it?
Sometimes, maybe. Especially those with the power.
But for me, it feels too self serving.
The feeling is misplaced, misdirected in terms of
where it actually lands (straight passed the intended
victim, who watches it smilingly disintegrate and
scatter over the fence sitters), and misguided by the
roar of a baiting crowd who don't seem to know, or
seemingly care, they are being played.
Insults are easy in cyberspace. So we should use them
with a little forethought. Otherwise it's
undignified.
It's important to know why you are pressing down those
keys.
Cheap laughs? Fuck off. Applause? Go on then, if
you really need it. Cynical aspersions? I've been
guilty on occasion but it often feels we would squirm
if our children told us they loved us.
What a fucking weight to carry around.
I'm assuming and generalising here i know. But we are
slowly cultivating a label that is being questioned by
all concerned. I don't need to spell it out. And
because we are central to it, because it's us on the
face of the mountain, we just can't see the view.
In those circumstances, Mount improbable becomes
Mount impossible.

Just a thought.

Regards.