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Comment #210460 by Goldy on July 14, 2008 at 3:42 pm

Given that news reports stated that ethnic Tibetans attacked Hui as well as Han, this might be the Dalai Lama's way of telling those that follow him not to attack religious minorities.

52. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #210072 by Goldy on July 13, 2008 at 9:39 pm

Be sure to click on that gorgeous picture. Now I'm not an expert, but I have a hard time imagining ice like that not having been in a fluid state at some point. Doesn't it look like it was flowing towards the edges to you? And to be honest, and this is of course just a personal impression, but looking at the photo, the word "ancient" doesn't seem to fit. Does it look like really old to you?

I clicked and I can't say I see flowing. Not as in wet water flowing. No. I also don't understand why you don't think ancient seems to fit. Looks like it has been there a pretty long time...
Salty water article does suggest we shouldn't get too excited in finding life...as we know it. However, pause for thoughtnext time you pass a brightly coloured salty lake :-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halophile

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Comment #209953 by Goldy on July 13, 2008 at 3:49 pm

Txty

Even if the ancient and the modern one were genetically distant enough from each other that they couldn't breed successfully, they are still the same morphological form.

Aaaah, they LOOK the same, eh? That's the clincher! Well, got me by the balls there. So...I guess all lizards are related. Closely, I mean. They are all...well, crocodilians. Stands to reason, apart from size and genes, they are the same morphologically. Even tuatara are the same. Heck, even newts and salamanders! Well, that makes classification so much easier! They look like crocodiles so they must be. I guess that makes the chimpanzees and lemurs human - they are the same morphologically.
But then, you are the font of all knowledge, a gnostic to which the real truth has been revealed, thruth the even Kardashovel is not privy too (and God actually talked to him. Just wondering, does God talk to you too?).

What do you expect? Do you think humans will still be around when the sun expands into a red giant? If you do, do you think they would be significantly different or will they get caught up in the dreary monotony of stasis?

My point to this question was that you tell us everything was made as is. Oddly, the fossil records don't show this. Yes, it shows a few highly conserved lines but also the disappearance and appearance of other animals. I do believe there is yet to be found a Jurassic lion or kangaroo, just as we'd be bloody surprised to bump into a Triceratops today. Animals seem to appear and take over niches left vacant by those that are no longer there. Yet they were all there at once - together. The Flood, you say, but...

And of every living thing of all flesh, you shall bring two of every sort into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female. Of the birds according to their kinds, and of the animals according to their kinds, of every creeping thing of the ground according to its kind, two of every sort shall come in to you, to keep them alive. Also take with you every sort of food that is eaten, and store it up; and it shall serve as food for you and for them.' Noah did this; he did all that God commanded him.

See, it's that phrase, "every living thing" - even dinosaurs and trilobites and dodoes. The mind does boggle how a Brontosaurus was tended, but tended it was because prior to the end of its line, it was one of the "every living thing".
Yet this isn't borne out by research. There is no overlap between those that died out a long time adn those that died out less long ago and those that are dying out now. Why so?
Are we, as humans, going to be around? No, of course not. Not as H. sapiens. What is the future? You tell me - you are the great wise one, more intelligent than any expert in any field one cares to mention. As it is, it appears humans are evolving faster now than previously thought. We have gone quite a way in the last 40 000 years, it seems. Blue eyes, blond hair, lactose tolerance...who knows that we shall become. But I can safely tell you this - you would not call our decendants human.

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Comment #209607 by Goldy on July 12, 2008 at 7:19 pm

TWP

But that's the beauty in it. People should be able to choose.

People chose poverty?

As sad as poverty is, I don't believe that we should give the government the right to interfere with that. It just leads the government to areas of control that individually we really don't want.

While I must admit to grumbling about my taxes funding workshy KFC eating inhabitants of South Auckland (stereotyping here...sorry), I think governments like to make sure things don't get too bad for these poor people. Keeping on the Chinese theme, there is a bit of history of social insurrection and rebellion when the poor had to rely on the generosity of the rich.
Laurie, it is great coming here and seeing where I can get a thread back to waaay back when by answering questions and commenting on things written ages ago.
What is Guiseppe saying? Something about the Koran and sayings. Odd...

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Comment #209571 by Goldy on July 12, 2008 at 4:29 pm

Fanusi, you're riding high on one good comment ages ago. Why are you trying hard to become a prick again?

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Comment #209365 by Goldy on July 12, 2008 at 4:20 am

OK, off to bed now.
TTFN!

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Comment #209364 by Goldy on July 12, 2008 at 4:19 am

Well, well, well - South Africa won! And after the captain was sin binned. Mind you, I thought that was a touch unfair - I mean, if the player getting the high tackle can look around, find the ref and point to the infringement while being tackled, it can't have been that dangerous. Definitely not as dangerous as being spear tackled...eh, 8teist?

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Comment #209362 by Goldy on July 12, 2008 at 4:16 am

What about the reduction of farm land in certain areas of the globe because of global warming or the shortage of water because of population growth?

These can probably be offset by reintroduction of farmland turned over to industry. After all, if the industry is now defunct.... :-)
I do think water might be a bit of a problem in the future...

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Comment #209361 by Goldy on July 12, 2008 at 4:14 am

Comment #209358 by Bonzai
So I take it on the capitalism trumps, SH beats HK? ;-)

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Comment #209356 by Goldy on July 12, 2008 at 4:08 am

goldy - correct, but would such a collapse not inevitably throw up an economic force other than capitalism?

Maybe I am set in my ways (hope not - I'm only 40!) but I can't help but think it'll be the same shit but a different product.

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Comment #209351 by Goldy on July 12, 2008 at 3:58 am

Goldy, shanghai can't seem to get their shit together..But what about shanghai should I be trumped by?

Politically, no. The old ruling clique was from Shanghai. Hu Jintao isn't, so he's getting rid of them. But for unfettered capitalism, I think SH beats HK. My brother in law is one of the new capitalists there, as are all my wife's friends. Money sprouting out of god knows where. Poverty, opulence - it's all there! From Ferraris to bare feet because shoes are not affordable.
Live matches are shown on the Rugby Channel, part of the Dirty Digger's empire. I have to rely on the terrestrial channel to catch the match. To avoid being fined or something, they have to show the match after it has been played.

Laurie

The problem with growth is that you cannot grow indefinitely

No, you can't, that's true. But even after a collapse, there's the stuff which can be used again which begins the fuelling of the next growth. So we lose oil - maybe bicycles are the next big thing. Or water. Or high oil producing vegetables. All a collapse is, basically, a hitting of the reset button.

62. PLEASE WRITE IN SUPPORT OF PZ MYERS

Comment #209345 by Goldy on July 12, 2008 at 3:33 am

Actually, I would probably laugh if somebody came in and farted loudly and often. Wish I HAD done that in the more excruciatingly boring sermons I had to sit through.

I can proudly say I did that once. Bit embarrassing as I was a school prefect at the time. I can't tell you how hard it was the suppress the laughter in the prefect rows adn the first three schoolboy rows...

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Comment #209341 by Goldy on July 12, 2008 at 3:27 am

8teist, I know what country you live in. Population 4 million, I'll find you...
;-)
Bonzai, that's harsh. Like all of us, we're here for the education as well as airing our opinions.

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Comment #209335 by Goldy on July 12, 2008 at 3:23 am

Capitalism is just one of the economic experiments which have been tried. It will collapse, eventually; it has to, for the conditions for its existence will become defunct.

I'm not sure about that, Laurie. It is just such an intrinsic human nature that it must be the only way. Luckily, so is altruism... ;-)

Edited for the full quotation...

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Comment #209334 by Goldy on July 12, 2008 at 3:20 am

So, Bonzai, you reckon my Shanghai card trumps her HK card? :-)

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Comment #209330 by Goldy on July 12, 2008 at 3:14 am

TWP

Goldy, two words...Hong Kong :)

Hmmm, strong card! However (and here he smiles and slips out his card...) Shang Hai! Or Shanghai as one word, it matters not :-)
I think in Top Trumps, I may have the stronger card... ;-)
We'll let the others debate.
All Blacks winning (well, probably already won - capitalism means I can't watch the match live but have to be happy with a hand-me-down)

Edit - correction, Springboks winning. That post to Fanusi really distracted me. Now I am annoyed.

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Comment #209327 by Goldy on July 12, 2008 at 3:11 am

OK, Fanusi, I'll try and answer all your points. Watching SA v the ABs so bear with me...

OK, you fear bills. That's good. We all do. But for some, it is grinding - all the wages go to bills.
Grinding poverty - luckily we have, in many cases, a social security system to stop the real grinding poverty. I believe this is not 100% kosher in capitalist circles...though you may correct me if I am wrong... Are you sure the other contries are proper socialist countries? My wife certainly remembers a time in China when it was socialist were everyone had enough. Not happy and not condusive to advancement, no, but everyone she knew seemed to be catered for. Not now - at least, not in Shanghai. I am a bit miffed you accuse me of evading the point - I didn't feel I did. Never mentioned it because it was not part of the argument I was...err...arguing about.
What salvery, you ask. Women are a commodity. It has been a bit of a newsworthy topic in the UK in the past - probably still is. You think them women in the "massage" parlours from Lithuania, the Balkans etc are there willingly? That leads to what I am talking about. Ather violence to women...watch "Once were Warriors".
And this line

You know nothing, I mean absolutely nothing about what you are talking about.

I lived in London, mate, when Irish nationalists were dropping the odd bomb around. My mother was bombed by the Americans and I well recall her stories. Almost as if I was there. Anyway, I AM in a war, the War on Terror ring a bell? Why my passport is thicker with electronic devices, lasts half the time for twice the price, why it is a pain in the arse for me to fly (and yes, I do see the irony in those remarks), why I am constantly told to be careful, why I studiously avoid flying anywhere via the US, etc, etc. So you left a burning city - that just puts you closer to a battle. I too live in a war - I know what I am talking about. Ironic you mention South Africa - as I recall, the main problem is capitalism - the have-nots are the problem in their version of redistribution of wealth.
Don't insult me again - I never have insulted you.

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Comment #209313 by Goldy on July 12, 2008 at 2:53 am

G'nite Mord!

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Comment #209311 by Goldy on July 12, 2008 at 2:52 am

mainly because we havent had an economy run on pure capitalism. Therefore I can not possibly agree.

Aaaah - but we've come pretty close at times, methinks. Classical civilisations probably got a bit close. But that's for the classicists to correct me on. By all accounts China is pretty damn close too...
But nice to see why you disagreed :-)

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Comment #209306 by Goldy on July 12, 2008 at 2:44 am

While the accumulation of profit is a good thing, if one is purely capitalist, the it is basically the only thing. OK, you don't want to kill of workers that are the source of the profit, hence, when slavery or a massive pool of willing poor people aren't available, some social benefits are filtered down. Pure capitalism would have this at the minimum level as they dig into the profits.
I think a good example of pure capitalism would be something like...well, Chinese mines or banana republics.
Accumulation of profit can be very nasty as it accumulates in human hands...

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Comment #209302 by Goldy on July 12, 2008 at 2:35 am

If you prefer that system, you're welcome to it.

They seem very happy. Do you know of the fear of bills, the grinding poverty, the lack of social help, the slavery, the violence to women, the constant bloody warfare...hmmm, sounds similar, eh?

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Comment #209299 by Goldy on July 12, 2008 at 2:32 am

disagree.

Because....?
Don't forget, this is pure capitalism we're talking about :-)

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Comment #209294 by Goldy on July 12, 2008 at 2:24 am

And...

When I attend to my job, I recieve all the benefits of the ones who made the software that I work with, the scientists who did the basic research on which I build, the University that created the laboratories, and those who paid for it. All of that for free.

A bunch of research is no longer feasable here because of capitalism. The ADHB (Auckland District Health Board) has decided to try and pay off the new hospital building by charging for pretty much anything. A signature on a research grant costs about $1500, I think (I'll look it up, if you like - deleted the email but it caused a bit of a ruckus here at the UoA). It's not always free...

Edit - http://www.adhb.govt.nz/researchoffice/

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Comment #209291 by Goldy on July 12, 2008 at 2:20 am

What social system has a better track record with respect to any social problem than Capitalism?

What am I? Chopped liver? A fart in the breeze?
Comment #209281 by Goldy

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Comment #209281 by Goldy on July 12, 2008 at 2:12 am

for example the environment remains pretty constant for a very long time then why should it change? look at the Coelacanth - they appeared 410 million years ago in the Devonian and were discover this century hardly changed at all it's appearance

And not forgetting bacteria, fungi, flies, ants, tree ferns, moss....etc. I believe stromatolites have been around since the dawn of life (give or take a few million years...). But they have to pick the animals of relatively recent vintage. Sad - can't even put a decent argument together!

Mordacious1, daughter is going through next phase in life... "No, darling, you have to climb in/out yourself. Daddy's sore!" It works! :-) Wife is down with the cold, I'm just getting over it, daughter...I don't know. Whatever quackery chiropraty is, it did make me less fearful of sneezing. Mind you, nurofen with codein helps too ;-)

Fanusi

which system in human history has a better record than Capitalism with respect towards any social problem?

Probably small family groups in a self sufficient lifestyle. I believe some tribes in the Amazon and the Andaman Isles are exceedingly enamoured of this lifestyle, to the extent of killing foreigners...
As it is, where can one say a pure form of social governance works to the detriment of all others? It doesn't - pure capitalism works for those that it works for, not those that make it work. Pure communism works for those that it works for, not those...etc, etc. The best system is always an amalgam, neither one being better than the other.

Right, SA v the All Blacks (the free match on telly). Haka is done, so I may not respond too swiftly... :-)

Edit - thewhitepearl, I believe how so is answered by the word pure before capitalism. You have to mash it a bit to fit in the socialist ideas. Bit like the religious do with reality :-)

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Comment #209230 by Goldy on July 12, 2008 at 12:25 am

I would say that at the moment, India is becoming, if it is not already, more 'the West' than Europe.

Seeing as they have bought pretty much all of the iconic British brands, I think you're right. And the definitive British motorcycle is....made in Madras...or should that be Chennai...?
Off to wash baby and look after wife.
TTFN!

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Comment #209156 by Goldy on July 11, 2008 at 4:33 pm

Tom Paine

Chiropractic therapy is pretty much proven as a quack treatment and potentially can even be dangerous, as rational people you should apply the same scepticism to alt therapy as to religion. Quackery often has a pseudo-religious or spiritualist root and Chiropractic therapy is no different.

I know, I know - but when you get to the state where you literally can't get out of bed, what can you do? Painkillers - they mask the pain but man do you have to look for the right one. And the pain does not go away.
This feller took X-rays, showed me my scoliotic back and told me what he thought was the cause of my pain. He didn't try anything because of my biomedical science background. Actually, it mostly revolved around engineering - a compromise solution to bipedalism can result in problems later on. He told me he'll try and get the back sorted adn told me the other half of the work is me - I need to stretch and strengthen the muscles to try and rectify the problem.
Oddly, he emphatically said he can't cure me. I'm 40 and the problem too long standing. He said he'll do what he can to help and to try and reduce the incidence of pain recurrence but heal, no. Never. Sorry. That was a bit annoying but what can you do - I shall go to my grave with a double sigmoidal spine, S shaped in two planes and twisted to one side to boot.
If you want quackery, try osteopathology ;-)
At least my body can be remedied to a point, though, whether by science or cryptoscience. The mind, on the other hand...well, you can see what poor treatment of the mind can lead to here :-)
Sorry for the delay in replying to the subject - bloody time difference!

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Comment #208462 by Goldy on July 11, 2008 at 12:53 am

As well, there is evidence that a tsunami hit the east coast about 25,000 years ago with enough force to leave debris in the Blue mountains (i.e. about 1000m. altitude).

Bah, a mere piffle in Oz. Only place I know where one can fly for an hour over a bushfire...and it isn't even reported. An hour?!?
Talking of tsunamis, I did read of one feller's theory that the lack of mammals in NZ (aside from a bat and a crypto-monotreme) was due to a devastating tsunami or two. About 30-odd thousand years ago...

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Comment #208461 by Goldy on July 11, 2008 at 12:48 am

Goldy

Good luck with your back tomorrow, hope it helps.

Cheers mate! Chiropracty the easy part - open wallet, they perform a pecuniectomy and then attempt to snap my spine. The hard part comes now with...shudder!...exercise!

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Comment #208322 by Goldy on July 10, 2008 at 8:40 pm

I did a huge piss outside a while back. Does that count?

Only if some bloke shot off to Bunnings for wood and nails to build an ark...
Found one myth (or revealed truth, however you want to put it...)
http://www.sacred-texts.com/aus/mla/mla09.htm

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Comment #208316 by Goldy on July 10, 2008 at 8:34 pm

Goldy , I`ve had this flu for 2 weeks

Bugger!
Laurie, I too feel for Joe. And the other feller and even wooter. I worry for all of them - all this information out there and yet it must be wrong. Txpiper is a classic case - there must have been a flood because mythology says so. Sad that by quirk of history that mythology has been relabelled as religion...
Australia doesn't have any evidence for an inundiation in relatively recent times, does it?

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Comment #208287 by Goldy on July 10, 2008 at 7:54 pm

But not bad back pains! Coughing hurts - I fear sneezing! Not sure what is worse - the cold symptoms or the back pain - both keep me awake...

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Comment #208281 by Goldy on July 10, 2008 at 7:49 pm

Night? Only 2:48pm here. Just waiting for wife to say we can go home and weekend begins :-)

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Comment #208277 by Goldy on July 10, 2008 at 7:45 pm

Dragonfirematrix, unfortunately she's in the UK where we appear to have enough idiots who think someone's chosen views matter on religion matter more than the sexuality someone was unwittingly born into.

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Comment #208274 by Goldy on July 10, 2008 at 7:34 pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7495961.stm
txty - what fossils can tell us :-)
One thing you never explained...when a species goes extinct, it's gone forever, right? And when it's gone, nothing takes its place, right? Soooooo.....what are your views on the future of the planet?

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Comment #208271 by Goldy on July 10, 2008 at 7:29 pm

Hmmm. I was just pondering the thought while driving back from the chiropractor. The BBC (AM 810 if you're in Auckland) had a story about a 6 year old girl married off by her father to pay off his creditor. Part of the problem was, well, it's in Afghanistan. Another major part was the poor bloke could not grow opium and so could not afford the debts.
Worrying thing was that Afghans, at least, the rural poor, see women as an economic thing, much like a motorcycle or car, to be bought and sold. Apparently this was seen as being better than India where the rural poor see women as a burden (dowries, etc).
Wonder what our babbling baboons say about this. Particularly interested in Capslock Joe's views...him being a convert and all...

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Comment #208258 by Goldy on July 10, 2008 at 7:07 pm

From the home of Islam...
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1§ion=0&article=111702&d=11&m=7&y=2008

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Comment #208249 by Goldy on July 10, 2008 at 6:56 pm

Does this mean gays can refuse to be married by a black person too?

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Comment #208242 by Goldy on July 10, 2008 at 6:48 pm

Brian, 8teist - :-D
Two good reasons I keep coming back here!

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Comment #208225 by Goldy on July 10, 2008 at 6:16 pm

NakedCelt, probably a host of other factors as well, like the ending of the Little Ice Age, a dietary change in Europe due to imported south American tubers (yum!) which helped stave off falling wheat production (except, according to the History Channel, the French), etc, etc. Bound to be a history book where someone gives their pet theory on why it all happened.
But it happened - in the past. A long time ago. The Enlightenment is still in flower but getting past its prime and there are those that wish not to nurture it and take ideas from is as seeds from a plant but cut it down, stamp on it, trample it and be done with it.
The gibbering baboons we have had here shows you what a tiny amount of education wrongly placed and badly directed can lead us to.

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Comment #208204 by Goldy on July 10, 2008 at 5:40 pm

Whenever I go to Xmas or Thanksgiving dinner at my inlaws there is this prick of a brother-in-law who, when 30 people are sitting at the table, makes a point of asking me to say grace. He just wants to remind everyone that I'm an atheist.

Hehehehehe! I can't remember the last time I said grace - think it was at school.
thanksgiving, eh? Simple - grab a turkey leg, raise your glass of non consecrated wine and say "Good wine, good meat, hotdamn, let's eat!"
Sorry for popping in late here :-)

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Comment #208193 by Goldy on July 10, 2008 at 5:26 pm

yay, if i stand on my head i got the 666 post

8teist, as you're in NZ, relative to the northern hemisphere readers you are post 666 :-D

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Comment #208188 by Goldy on July 10, 2008 at 5:24 pm

Kardy, how's tricks? :-)
Christianity - think it was an idea blown out of proportion by some superstitions. That painted slab they found seems to suggest (if it is verifiable) that the ressurrection idea was prevalent). You know how it is - look at how we reacted to the Y2K thing.
Just been to a chiropractor. Not sure if they work, but he did on my spine. I am in pain - but a good, flexible pain :-) Got a cold too - if bio-rhythms are true, mine are as down as one can get!

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Comment #208104 by Goldy on July 10, 2008 at 3:20 pm

Email sent - from NZ :-) Should have sent a postcard instead, methinks... something for his wall or fridge door ;-)

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Comment #208093 by Goldy on July 10, 2008 at 3:12 pm

What a great way to start the day before the chiropractor does his thing on my back :-)
Joe - I am...well, what can I say. The sheer breadth of your ignorance makes the moderate Muslims shy away! Indeed, I think I can hear some apostasising!
As a letter in the Arab News site once said, all this talk of Islam giving light to Europe is all very well. The contributer said in his youth, he was slim and a keen runner but now enjoyed epicurian delights and had grown fat. Being proud of past glories is one thing but forgetting they were centuries ago is unforgivable.
Joe, just think - is Islam that great? HAve a ponder on two countries. No, make that 3. India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Two are Muslim, one isn't, really (it does have a substantial Muslim minority but...). Tell me which one is flying ahead economically?

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Comment #207467 by Goldy on July 9, 2008 at 10:39 pm

Considering the "mountains of evidence" for evolution

Personal incredulity and speculation do not make evidence.
And are you SURE crocodiles have not changed? Or are you looking at a damn similar animal and making a speculation? Come to think of it, are we so different from chimps? I dare say (and here I speculate) we would be seen as merely another ape. Do you think you are a chimp, Chump?

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Comment #207420 by Goldy on July 9, 2008 at 6:34 pm

I am astounded at the gibbering gibbons that have graced these web pages. Unbelievable! And they like to think of themselves as adverts for their respective religion? Wow...stunned!
If reading the book reduces one to the drooling idiocy in full and proud show here, I have to say no thank you!

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Comment #207372 by Goldy on July 9, 2008 at 3:26 pm

Hmm, reading this thread reminds me why Islam is not the world's most popular religion ;-)
And what ignorant people they send to spearhead their campaign here. Never mind not even being able to string a sentence together, everythig they have written has been shown to be wrong...or gibberish.
Ah well, we'll let the Chinese and Indians deal with this rabble. Islamic science does not exist, they are all turning to a god that never was for glories they never had.

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Comment #205889 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 8:47 pm

Allah is also a denier of heliocentrism - the Sun revolves around the Earth.
Ah, well. Time to go home - early day for me :-)

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Comment #205881 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 8:42 pm

Allah says in Quran

That the Earth is flat :-)

Sura 51:48"And the Earth - we have stretched it out like a carpet; and how smoothly have we

spread it forth."

Sura 20:55 "He hath spread the Earth as a bed, and hath traced out paths for you therein, and hath sent down rain from Heaven, and by it we bring forth the kinds of various herbs..."

Sura 67:15 "It is He who hath made the Earth level for you: traverse then its broad sides, and eat of what He hath provided. - Unto Him shall be the resurrection."



Other passages that us flat terms can be found in:

50.7 "And the Earth, We have made it plain and cast in it mountains."

51.48 "And the earth, We have made it a wide extent."

71.19 "And Allah has made for you the Earth a wide expanse."

78.6 "Have we not made the Earth an even expanse?"

79:27-30 "Are you the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built ? He raised the height thereof and ordered it; and He has made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morning thereof. And after that, He spread the Earth."



The Koran (like the Bible) teaches us that our flat Earth is held up by "pillars," and held down by objects that serve as "stakes." Passages that refer to the "pillars and stakes," in this context can be found in:

16:15 "And He hath thrown firm mountains on the earth, lest it move with you; and rivers and paths for your guidance..."

31:10 "He created the heavens without any pillars that ye can see; He set on the Earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you; and He scattered through it beasts of all kinds. We send down rain from the sky, and produce on the earth every kind of noble creature, in pairs."

78:6-7 "Have we not made the Earth a couch? And the mountains its tent-stakes?"



The Koran (again like the Bible) teaches us that our flat Earth is a stationary object that the rest of the universe rotates around. Passages that refer this statement include:

18:83-89 "...And a route he followed, Until when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it to set in a miry fount; and hard by he found a people...Then followed he a route Until when he reached the rising of the sun he found it to rise on a people to whom we had given no shelter from it."

18:86: "Till, when he reached the setting-place of the Sun, he found it going down into a muddy spring…"

18:90 "Till, when he reached the rising-place of the Sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter from it."



The Koran also teaches us that the sun and the moon have it's own resting place. Passages that refer this statement include:

36:38 "And the Sun runneth on unto a resting place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise."

36:39 "And for the moon, We have appointed mansions till she return like an old shriveled palm leaf."

36:40 "It is not for Sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit."



And finally In 1993, the supreme religous authority of Saudi Arabia, Sheik Abdel-Aziz Ibn Baaz, issued an adict, or fatwa, declaring that the world is flat. Orthodox Christians and Muslims unite! Anyone of the round Earth persausion does not belive in God or Allah and should be punished!