51. Holiday in Hellmouth

Comment #193839 by BillySands on June 16, 2008 at 5:57 am

One of them asked (of the church magazine) "is it the David Robertson Monthly Record or the Free Church Monthly Record?"

So within his own church he has enemies.

One of them even accused him of endorsing witchcraft and cancelled his subscription

52. Holiday in Hellmouth

Comment #193789 by BillySands on June 16, 2008 at 3:42 am

Johnny, show him what he's won!

Well Tyler, its annnnnnother severe blow to the head. Yes David, that's right, with even less functioning neurons than before, you can make even sillier comments till your heart's content.

53. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193787 by BillySands on June 16, 2008 at 3:38 am

Again, present me with one scientific proven fact which undeniably proves Macroevolution

Define what you mean by macro evolution. Do 4 finned dolphins chicken with teeth and flies with extra wings count?

54. Holiday in Hellmouth

Comment #193779 by BillySands on June 16, 2008 at 3:21 am

And what is wrong with how I debate?

You use intellect, evidence and facts against a gibbering idiot, that's what! And you disagree with him. You moraless atheist you!

55. Intelligent people 'less likely to believe in God'

Comment #193777 by BillySands on June 16, 2008 at 3:17 am

Mud thinke just made the thread's point. Anything to say on the fall?

56. Holiday in Hellmouth

Comment #193774 by BillySands on June 16, 2008 at 3:14 am

More isnults from the dense one and no evidence. Some of us atheists can both insult and refute at the same time.

this time I will not be coming back to this one

Is it cos I mentioned the fall.

Now we know how to get rid of him

Likewise when I pray that God would provide my daily bread - I know that it comes from Tesco, the lorry driver, the farmer etc.

Where do the starving christians get their bread from?

It is in God that we live and move and have our being. It is in Christ that all things hold together. And what is your answer to this?

Erm, prove it!

I would however expect some degree of self regulation in the atheist community. But you seem to be happy to allow such people to be your spokesmen.

Chortle chortle! Spokesmen? must be a delusional religite thing that atheists dont get.

Do you mean censorship? Who regulates the Felps' of the world - you guys cant regulate anything that you cant burn at the stake!

57. Holiday in Hellmouth

Comment #193745 by BillySands on June 16, 2008 at 1:53 am

I think we should all gang up on him and ask him to answer the fall and evolution business. This of course could be why he has been trying to diss evolution elsewhere - the penny has dropped - evolution destroys talking snake mythology.

God really showed that snake by making him crawl on the ground as punishment - didn't he! Oh no, pesky paleontologists have found snakes with limbs.

58. Holiday in Hellmouth

Comment #193466 by BillySands on June 15, 2008 at 4:30 pm

I suspect that this REALLY pisses off the traditionalists (although they probably dont say that.....)

It's the work of the devil encouraging women to speak and fake Darwinin atheist orgasms in church.

I wonder if he actually knows what he believes

59. Holiday in Hellmouth

Comment #193411 by BillySands on June 15, 2008 at 2:24 pm

Oh my achy breaky snake handling heart. I think that charismania one is the winner. I shall post it just afer getting therapy.

At least the poison drinking snake handlers have the courage of their convictions - unlke some theists here

60. Holiday in Hellmouth

Comment #193355 by BillySands on June 15, 2008 at 12:46 pm

Shine SG Shine!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiO-8Nv4-vI&feature=related

Here are some gibbering fools http://youtube.com/watch?v=3-vASkyYcEU&feature=related

This is so crap I cant stop laughing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUEnEDApBEU

61. Holiday in Hellmouth

Comment #193341 by BillySands on June 15, 2008 at 11:53 am

I couldnt watch it beyond a couple of minutes. That fellating the mic bit just did it for me.

The end is the worst bit. It is full of idiots thrashing on the floor. All that is missing is a baptism pool, some soap powder and some dirty washing.

PS: Nice one Billy! I am gonna have to try real hard to better that vid!

Sounds like a competition. I'll put the "winner" on my blog http://basketofpuppies-billy.blogspot.com/

62. Holiday in Hellmouth

Comment #193328 by BillySands on June 15, 2008 at 10:46 am

Heres a taster: "His love is like the ocean... we're drowning in His presence! The liquid honey glory cloud of His wonderful presence is in this place!" FFS....

Yeah, his non evidence of healings will probably convince Robertson, which begs the question as to why god wont heal Spazz boy's brain.

Here is a terrible video of bently fellating a microphone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX9xdw6aT9c

Never trust a twitchy sex criminal. That's what I always say.

Since christianity is on such a decline in the UK, isn't it about time to slap property and corporation taxes on churches and mosques?

Apparently the bastards are still exempt from water charges despite a recent review

63. Holiday in Hellmouth

Comment #193275 by BillySands on June 15, 2008 at 6:34 am

SG,

We can only hope that people see how crazy these charispatic types are, but it seems that people are getting carried away with that convicted Kiddie fiddler "profit" Todd Bentley in florida though.

I'm not sure I trust the religious mind to realise that the grand charismatic promises are never fulfilled though

Interestingly, I was in one of many converted churches that are now pubs the other day and bought some drinks. It is the only time I have ever been in a church building, handed over money and recieved an outpouring of spirit of any decricption

Isn't puting Noah's nuggets in your mouth a stoning offence? :-)

64. Holiday in Hellmouth

Comment #193273 by BillySands on June 15, 2008 at 6:07 am

Just found this article for freakshow Dave http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article3890080.ece
Christianity is becoming a minority delusion

65. Behe's Empty Box

Comment #193272 by BillySands on June 15, 2008 at 6:05 am

I think the only link one needs to give people interested in ID is the http://www.uncommondescent.com/resources/ page.

Just got this encouraging article about declining christianity off it


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article3890080.ece
I'll post it on the hellmoith thread just for DR

66. Holiday in Hellmouth

Comment #193256 by BillySands on June 15, 2008 at 4:37 am

Steve, I agree. He didn't even know what abiogenesis was until recently and thinks a comment about a table not comming to life refutes abiogenesis (although he thought it was evolution)

(Quotemine that, David Robertson)

Here is another one for him to quote mine "If Robertson reads or quotes this, he is entering into an agreement that he is a lying cunt that abuses the minds of children"

67. Holiday in Hellmouth

Comment #193249 by BillySands on June 15, 2008 at 4:14 am

Indeed, which is why I am confused.

I'm more confused about whether he is confused, mad, downright dishonest or just rolls about in hyaena dung, doodles on his nipples with green pen and licks lamp posts all day. Or all of the above.

Some consistency would be nice.

68. Holiday in Hellmouth

Comment #193247 by BillySands on June 15, 2008 at 4:06 am

Indeed. Has David posted a statement that evolution happened and there was death and natural disasters and disease before people existed?

He has said he believes in evolution - although I saw he was trying to diss it elsewhere. He always avoids the fall business - presumably because that makes a tea cosy out of his baw bag (thanks to "the big man" for that one :-))

69. Holiday in Hellmouth

Comment #193239 by BillySands on June 15, 2008 at 3:36 am

I pray. I argue for justice (remember that strange concept that cannot exist in the athiest world of moral relativism?)

Oh dear, someone doesn't get the the fact that you can have justice in a relativist system - what reverend fuckflaps is of course referring to here are these moral absolutes like stoning gays that he can not provide the slightest shred of evidence for.

Did the jews ever get justice for centuries of christian atrocities committed against them in the name of jesus?

Sorry - but the notion of God using ,natural' causes is perfectly logical.

Yet reverend retard believes in a literal fall http://www.freechurch.org/issues/2005/jan05.htm

where he writes

""He [Darwin] makes one big mistake �quot; he assumes that the world as it is now is the world as God created it. But that is not the case. When you read Genesis One notice the repeated refrain, 'And God say that it was good'. God did not create the world to have natural disasters, cancer and death. Something came into the world which has upset the natural order of things and polluted the whole environment. That is why, as Paul tells us in Romans 8, the whole creation 'groans as in the pangs of childbirth'. We are faced with two choices �quot; either the world is as it is because that is the way things are, or things are the way things are because sin came in and corrupted a good and perfect creation."

This is not compatible with evolution fanny baws. You have been challenged on this before, but you just pished yer pants and ran off to sit on the archbishops hand. Despite your pretences, you are a creationist goofball.

It seems that your disgustingly perverse view of humanity does not esteem human life.

Bet I dont get a straight answer from numb nuts on this one.
Does he believe everyone deserves to go to hell?

By the way, with you swearing the pope is the antichrist and all that, I saw some catholics enjoying a barbeque on the sabbath. Should I douce them in petrol and throw them on it?

70. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #192880 by BillySands on June 14, 2008 at 5:56 am

To all Atheist Evolution supporters. I lift you up and will continue to pray for Jesus, to reveal himself to you, in order that you will accept forgiveness and salvation. Open your eyes and seek him. He is faithful.

Yeah, that'll work

Show me first hand accounts of any disputing of Jesus and his miracles.

Here's a thought, if Jesus did not exist and his story was made up later (and it does appear to be made up) there would be nothing to dispute.

I've seen christianity advocated more substantially in church poster slogans in my local area.

Still, it keeps him off the street. I have seen more compelling evidence in dog shit myself

71. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #192414 by BillySands on June 13, 2008 at 2:46 am

BTW tx,we are still waiting for your evidence for this flood and a date for when it happened.

Yes, one of the most pathetic things I have read about dating is that the bible was written by eye witnesses, so that trumps science. But, lets hear his date and we can check out who ruled Egypt at the time and ask him to explalin why there is continuity in the phaoronic line when all mankind was supposedly obliterated. People must have reproduced with the speed of bacteria back then.

72. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #192411 by BillySands on June 13, 2008 at 2:39 am

No, I'm sorry but it is much more complicated than that. There are all kinds of anomalous results.

And there are all sorts of safe guards. Here is one by a christian since you dont like TO http://www.asa3.org/aSA/resources/Wiens.html

And trees protruding through multiple strata that are supposed to be millions of years old are a problem for you.

Except they are not laid down over millions of years. The occur in regions of high deposition rates - including sites of volcanic activity and - not a flood! So, you were saying.....?

Sorry but I missed it. Repost and I'll look at it when I get a chance. Was it your own argument in your own words or a TO link? I don't read the latter having spent so much time reading inane arguments there.

No, it was my own argument. I cant reember where it is, but near where I live, there are coal deposits sandwiched between coral refs. These are mature environments that take a lot of time to develop - explain!
I could also piont out fosilised sand dunes on top of water deposited sediments that were then covered with more waterborne sediments. You got any arguments of your own that do not come from AIG?

Still waiting yo hear if you have actually read those T.rex papers in Science or not - and what you make of paper 3. I can guess where you got it and what particular misrepresentation it was trying to make.

Hope Goldy oesn't mind me jumping in here.

I assume you are referring to "junk DNA". If that is the case, I'm afraid you are out of date.

Typical YEC insult. No evidence given either. What about ice fish that have no haemoglobin genes, but retain non functional forms? What about the L-gulonolactone oxidase pseudogene in humans?

If your flood idea is correct, then all sedimentary rocks should date to within a 40 day period. Have you even got a technique that shows all sedimentary rock is of that age, let alone what age it is?

73. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #191852 by BillySands on June 12, 2008 at 2:01 am

Txpiper,

I believe I am still waiting for a reply.

The whole process is circular because they use the rocks to date the fossils, and the fossils to date the rocks.

Except there is consistency in the radiometric dating. It is one verifying the other. Some fossils occur in defined sequences - even on opposite sides of the Atlantic. This stratification is a problem for you - as are coral reefs and coal forests which I challenged you about a while back.

I want to hear some dating methods you use to show the earth is young.
I believe Quetz has already challenged you provide some positive evidence of your own - and not try (and fail) to discredit science.

74. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #191539 by BillySands on June 11, 2008 at 6:46 am

txpiper

You never commented on my earlier post about the rarity of thi sample - or the fact we can get biomolecules from trees a few thousand years old.

I dont think you have read these

By the way, most of you don't seem to be up to date about what has gone on with that. I think you can set up an account for free to access things that are not current, but here are the latest links I know of:
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/316/5822/277
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/316/5822/280
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/319/5859/33c
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/319/5859/33d

From briefly looking at them, number 3 seems to shoot down your own argument - they claim the tyrannosaurus sample is not satisfactory for analysis - although the younget mastodon one is.

You have to show that it is not possible for protiens to hang about that long - and you have the problem of no human and dinosaur fossils EVER being foung together. This corroborates the ancient age model.

75. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #191007 by BillySands on June 10, 2008 at 5:20 am

No, and I won't argue the point again. If it seems reasonable to you that unfossilized bone and reconstitutable vascular tissue can be preserved for 68,000,000 years then by all means, enjoy your credulous expectations.

Lets look at it this way - one fossil out of billions MAY have some original organic material in it.

We can extract biomolecules from tree stumps that are a few thousand years old - why then do we have trouble with the overwhelmingly vast majority of dinosaur fossils that YECs claim are only a few thousand years old?

76. Scientists rally against creationist 'superstition'

Comment #187776 by BillySands on June 2, 2008 at 3:50 pm

I write as someone who went with an open mind, looking to be convinced and presented with the evidence.

Dont lie! You believe in A literal fall - that makes you a creationist.
You have obviously lied in the past (what a fucking surprise) when you said that you believed in evolution.

Are we supposed to take the opinion of someone who says that his inviible friend is as real as his wife seriously?

Personally, I point amd laugh at you.

77. Top 6 Incestuous Relationships In The Bible

Comment #185363 by BillySands on May 27, 2008 at 4:01 pm

Of course, the weird thing about Lot was that god thought he was righteous enough to save - no surprise when you consider that god pumped his own mum

78. Top 6 Incestuous Relationships In The Bible

Comment #185331 by BillySands on May 27, 2008 at 1:47 pm

Tyler, you may be right about the catholics - next they will be telling me that god is metaphorical :-)

79. Top 6 Incestuous Relationships In The Bible

Comment #185257 by BillySands on May 27, 2008 at 9:24 am

Oh, and let's not forget god and his mum (mary)

80. Top 6 Incestuous Relationships In The Bible

Comment #185188 by BillySands on May 27, 2008 at 7:06 am

Religious scholars say that God suspended the laws of incest in the early days of man in order to ensure that man spread on the earth. In the words of the commentators of the Douay Rheims Bible: "God [dispensed] with such marriages in the beginning of the world, as mankind could not otherwise be propagated."

What pish. God could have made several people. Also, if god is perfect - and his laws are perfect, then surely allowing something (or bringing into being something) that is imperfect makes him imperfect.

81. What Genes Remember

Comment #185139 by BillySands on May 27, 2008 at 4:20 am

I suppose there is nothing to stop you inheriting a particular histone code or DNA methylation pattern that could alter gene activity and produce this effect. Lets see what happens in the comming years.

82. The God of the Bible is No Delusion!

Comment #180457 by BillySands on May 15, 2008 at 2:31 am

Clearly, my doubt is quite fat in comparison to that of the average Christadelphian, as the 'truth' of the Bible has not yet been vindicated beyond my doubt's shadow.

Yeah, if it was so clear, this thread would not have been so long

83. Church of Scotland mediators to quell disputes

Comment #178321 by BillySands on May 11, 2008 at 7:50 am

But, this is the good bit, the NEED for change is greater as well. If they dont, they will simply evaporate in a puff of irrelevance


Thought that had happened. Is that why Robertson only pretends to believe in evolution - except when he is blaming the holocaust on Darwinism? Does he even know what he believes? I think he just chops and changes to allow him to lie to atheists myself

84. Church of Scotland mediators to quell disputes

Comment #178319 by BillySands on May 11, 2008 at 7:42 am

Bunch o' fannies! :-)

85. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #174659 by BillySands on May 3, 2008 at 5:26 am

Like Quetz (blessed be his leafy infusions) says Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha etc

Why do morons think atheists dont want to face up to god. If he were real, what fucking good would that do us? Pathetic!

We just dont believe in him!

These pricks are basically calling us dishonest here. That smacks of desperation!

86. Was the new finger a 'natural' miracle?

Comment #174557 by BillySands on May 2, 2008 at 4:31 pm

but *please* tell me when the last time was that the BBC of all news networks supported supernaturalism?

Songs of praise every bloody sunday! I believe some of the radio stations have daily god slots. Do any have daily godless slots?

87. Was the new finger a 'natural' miracle?

Comment #174554 by BillySands on May 2, 2008 at 4:29 pm

Bizarro, we have been trying to get YECS to provide evidence for their beliefs elsewhwere with no sucess. Care to try?

I believe I challenged you on toothed hens before you left last time. Any comments?

88. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #174294 by BillySands on May 2, 2008 at 3:08 am

Robotaholic,

I cant read your posts because of your avatar, its too distracting.

89. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #173657 by BillySands on May 1, 2008 at 4:16 am

I know there are people with mental illnesses that don't believe in god, so what's your point?

The point is you dont need to be a mathematician to know that a ridiculous claim like 2 X 2 = 3 is wrong.

90. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #173368 by BillySands on April 30, 2008 at 5:10 pm

However a biologist answering the god question to me is like a mathematician solving an engineering problem.

I know and know of lots of people with mental illnesses who believe in god. What qualifies them to speak for god and think they can discredit evolution?

Oh, and the article is called "Lying for Jesus?"

91. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #170967 by BillySands on April 28, 2008 at 7:37 am

Dr Benway, although that is undoubtably true, atheists (about 8-16% of the US population) only represent 0.21% of the prison population.

92. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #170951 by BillySands on April 28, 2008 at 7:12 am

Also, while it isn't a huge difference, born agains get divorced more often than atheists.

Yeah, my former minister has just got separated (which is sad) and some of the ministers in David Robertson's church seem to be having homo and heterosexual affairs. Oh and Ted Hggard was unfaithful too

Then there are propoRtionately more christians in American prisons than atheists.

93. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #170938 by BillySands on April 28, 2008 at 6:48 am

Ask some reasonable questions, and you might get some.

And if he thinks god did it, he should supply evidence of his own. Picking on gaps (real or percieved) in understanding is not evidence.

Personally I think he played a particularly troll like opening gambit. He can always show us otherwise. It would be a refreshing change from fom of the nutters that have come from expelled sites.

94. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #170792 by BillySands on April 28, 2008 at 2:45 am

Mellisajoy

I dont know if this has been covered, but Adam an eve did not know it was supposedly wrong to disobey god until aftere they disobeyed him - yet were punished for that. Most people that have ever lived have never heard of your god. How can you say everyone has willingly rebelled against him.

txpiper Could you address the refutation of your flood evidence please?

95. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #170790 by BillySands on April 28, 2008 at 2:33 am

My wife is a scientist leading the way in some genetic research, and a great one at that, and she is constantly disgusted that both sides of this argument are presented as fact when IN FACT - they are BOTH theory! BOTH UNPROVEN BY THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD. Get a life - the lot of you.

I'm affraid your wife is not that great a scientist if she does not know what a theory is and how ID does not qualify. Tell her to come on over and tell us how it is - none of the christians here are doing that.

96. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #169903 by BillySands on April 27, 2008 at 4:18 am

Have we learnt anything over the past few days about handling a variety of theists

Yeah, some of them are evasive and not very bright! Others are downright nasty. Like you say, they are not atypical.

Best thing to do is gang up on them and not answer their shotgun style questions or allow them to move on to a different topic until they have answered the original question.

97. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #169892 by BillySands on April 27, 2008 at 3:48 am

Melisajoy,

Nothing in your post actually justified the killing of innocent children. These are childern who are presumably going to hell. How can it ever be a good thing to prevent someone from exhibiting their free will to lead others into destruction?

98. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #169683 by BillySands on April 26, 2008 at 2:39 pm

It has to be acknowledged that the sediments are there, and sediments are by and large formed by materials suspended in floodwaters.

Please pay attention. Different fossil habitats are preseved in different layers. Not all sedimentary rock is deposited by water either. There are plenty of fossils in desert deposits - like this fighting pair of Velociraptor and Protoceratops. http://www.dino-nakasato.org/en/special97/Fight-e.shtml

Then the killer, dinosaur nests in different layers. Do you think they somehow nested on rafts?

99. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #169564 by BillySands on April 26, 2008 at 9:55 am

And Moses and Aaron did all these wonders before Pharaoh: and the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, so that he would not let the children of Israel go out of his land.

I really "love" this verse. God is making Pharaoh unable to comply so he can go on an Egyptan baby killing spree.

This is the monster that remnant thinks is good and wants to suck off.

What happened to free will?

100. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #169557 by BillySands on April 26, 2008 at 9:46 am

One may argue about the interpretation of the evidence, but you can't say that it isn't there.

No, there are different environments preserved in different layers. Coral and forests dont just grow overnight.
You never find out of sequence fossils