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Comment #137151 by scooternyc on March 2, 2008 at 12:29 pm

Styrer - no one is going to save you from reality that each statement given was directly a result of his/her personal attack toward me. You get what you give.

Again, if you don't like someone telling you to fuck off, then perhaps don't start a conversation with someone by telling them fuck you.

If I make a statement of liberal fascists on this site and it doesn't apply to you, then why are you so upset? Perhaps it applies to others? Why is it your business to defend others who can speak for themselves and defend their own ideas?

Again, mind your own business. Did these people ask for you help? Did these people ask for your defense? Why would you or anyone be so arrogant to think that another person was incapable of taking care of him/her self?

That's the biggest insult of all.

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Comment #137146 by scooternyc on March 2, 2008 at 12:25 pm

"If you don't repeat it like a mantra, don't tell people to "never breed", and call those who disagree with you "over-emotional liberal fascists", why should I?"

Since when is it your fucking business to defend others?

Who the hell put you in charge of that role?

You behave just like the religious who think they corner the market on morality and feel compelled to butt into other people's business.

Mind your own business. If I directly addressed you, then address me. If I didn't, then you ought to think twice about your approach to me if you don't want back what you give.

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Comment #137144 by scooternyc on March 2, 2008 at 12:22 pm

So, steve, let's review, by evidence, this statement you made of me before any "name calling" as you state, occurred:

"I should particularly apologise. I have a tendency to wind up people like scooter, as I feel it is fair to try reveal the motivations behind what can appear a reasonable viewpoint. In this case there has been some deeply unpleasant collateral damage."

Mind reading? Who was mind reading? Oh that was you.

See, you end up in the same place every time because you were lazy, by requesting me to give you stats to refute your position yesterday. That is lazy. It is what it is.

Then in statement 186 you admit to your lazy ways.

Now you post here that you don't like be outed as lazy?

Then on post 260 you lay into some diatribe doing all the very things you accuse me of, but I did none of toward or about you, at me.

You're either recklessly ignorant or stupid.

If you don't even know what you're saying to others then you're just recklessly ignorant.

If you do and you take the victim stance, then you're just stupid.

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Comment #137141 by scooternyc on March 2, 2008 at 12:13 pm

Once again Steve, you won't take personal responsibility for situations which you create.

So be it.

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Comment #137140 by scooternyc on March 2, 2008 at 12:11 pm

Sharon, your post 291 is similar to Steve advocating that insult is just fine. Well, I disagree. I don't need to insult anyone for any reason, especially if I disagree.

What kind of a person is it that needs to insult others to advance their position?

If you don't like the response you get why not change the way YOU approach.

It's always about the other person, though, isn't it. It's never about your personal approach or choices.

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Comment #137136 by scooternyc on March 2, 2008 at 12:08 pm

"'personal freedom above all' cannot rule supreme"

I disagree. Do you have a specific example by which to examine this idea that you would label as such?

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Comment #137025 by scooternyc on March 2, 2008 at 6:48 am

"My theory is that scooternyc takes great pleasure in pushing the buttons of the more left leaning part of the crowd."

Not a well thought out or decent observation.

Why?

Because when I come onto any thread I comment about the topic and place my ideas before the group for discussion.

Your observation should reflect that those who disagree love to lob insult and name calling because of how Atheist Jon rightly points out - I won't/don't tow the political line of liberals or conservatives. Tough shit.

Any subject of interest isn't about politics or any particular political party as it is more important to address issues that are important to ALL people.

There were many conservatives at the CFI conference I attended in November who felt very strong about church/state separation, who wanted to fight this fight with fellow atheists, but who stated their sense of disenfranchisement when politics attributing liberalism and atheism would correlated. It's bullshit.

This issue affects EVERYONE, regardless of politics. But those who want to divide will always seek to label. I point out liberal fascists as sarcasm about how divisive the attitude is, but the sarcasm is lost because everyone would rather lob insults, name call and be victims rather than saying, "gee, am I dogmatic about my political views to the extent that I disenfranchise others?"

Why, that would be too evolved to do.

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Comment #137023 by scooternyc on March 2, 2008 at 6:40 am

"But not always directly so. Your personal freedom dogma is an example. Sometimes you may need to forgo certain personal freedoms for your greater good."

"That does not necessarily mean they are selfish interests"

All actions are of self-interest.

You can claim an altruistic action is for someone's greater good, but the action is still rooted in your personal self interest of whatever your personal agenda is about.

All actions are self-interest as they are about whatever you are getting from the choice - be it a "good feeling" about yourself, etc.

No one likes thinking that their actions are self motivated because of the social stigma of such labels; shift your paradigm of the term and suddenly it opens up understanding that ALL actions are of self-interest due to the action itself giving you, the individual, some sort of satisfaction, feeling, accomplishment, et.al.

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Comment #136978 by scooternyc on March 2, 2008 at 4:47 am

Scooter: "It's just like a victim to provoke and then be hurt/upset when they get back what they implicitly are asking for.

Of course, you NEVER stop to evaluate your own approach as though you MIGHT be wrong - it's always about the other person. No biggie."

Steve:"You seem to have a short memory. I admitted you were right about me demanding evidence on the matter of "crime fighter" statistics"

You missed the entire point of my response and then went off in some other direction that had nothing to do with my statement.

You don't even address your own behavior as being the cause of reaction from others. Unbelievably hilarious!

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Comment #136974 by scooternyc on March 2, 2008 at 4:44 am

"If you at some stage get back to the point, you might be worth talking to."

Well, at least you took a stand there for personal choice and decided I'm not worth talking to - great.

I can then be on the threads without emotional interruption from you so I can discuss interesting topics with those who don't need insult to further their points of view.

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Comment #136970 by scooternyc on March 2, 2008 at 4:41 am

"A fundamentalist tends to ignore evidence."

You're right, you do tend to ignore evidence.

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Comment #136969 by scooternyc on March 2, 2008 at 4:41 am

""all interest is personal interest" without solid evidence to back this up."

ARE YOU SERIOUS???? LOL!!!!!

Pal, you better read the statement again -

ALL INTERESTS ARE PERSONAL INTERESTS

Please tell me where this statement is wrong - ON ANY LEVEL?

There is no interest that is NOT personal self-interest.

You name any situation and break it down, it will always come down to the individual making a choice because of some personal self-interest.

2 2 = 4

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Comment #136964 by scooternyc on March 2, 2008 at 4:35 am

"I just don't see a problem with them personally as long as they contain more than just insult."

Interesting observation of personal perspective about life on two very different worlds

I see reasonable dialogue and discussion without insult as educational and useful, no need to insult others

You see insult as worthwhile

My point about being a victim is finally proven about you - you're fine being insulted, thus feeling abused by others (you even use the word abuse)then crying about it


"You seem to think that challenging your views and not playing by you rules is throwing some kind of punch."

Who distorts now? That would be you.

In MANY previous posts, on this thread and others, I've welcomed the challenge to my views without borders.

Apparently you've never been properly socialized to understand how mature adults disagree with one another when presenting ideas for discussion; you think that insult is the manner by which to do this.

I recall about a month ago I was having a perfectly good interaction with another blogger about determinism and you decided to drop your emotional-molotov cocktail and insult into the discussion - now you want to call the person who defends and insults you back, the abuser.

It's just like a victim to provoke and then be hurt/upset when they get back what they implicitly are asking for.

Of course, you NEVER stop to evaluate your own approach as though you MIGHT be wrong - it's always about the other person. No biggie.

I discuss respectfully to those who have shown respect; those that don't, enter at your own risk.

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Comment #136959 by scooternyc on March 2, 2008 at 4:24 am

"Because, as I explained a few posts back, you support fundamentalist beliefs. You post dogma. You distort evidence."

Contempt prior to investigation.

Did you even read any of the sites I listed with their plethora of data - especially the one from the National Academy of Sciences? Probably not.

Your view is that advocating personal freedom is fundamentalism? Great, thanks for revealing that.

Dogma, is once again, espousing personal freedom of choice? Got it.

What evidence did I distort? Oh, that's right - NONE - I posted sites by which data and evidence can be reviewed and decided upon by the individual - those are science and research principles in case you didn't go to college.

And by the way, living in the United States, an amazing nation for all it's good and bad, is about FREEDOM - read the Declaration of Independence and learn something. Perhaps where you're from it's a nanny state and you're just jealous not just of our freedom but our penis', as well.

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Comment #136954 by scooternyc on March 2, 2008 at 4:18 am

"Steve - I think it is a case of penis envy."

I can understand why he would be jealous; mine is rather amazing, thanks for the compliment epeeist.

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Comment #136953 by scooternyc on March 2, 2008 at 4:17 am

"I'm afraid I don't really have the strength of emotional responses you seem to think."

So what?

"I just believe that bullies like you do positive harm to this site."

You've self anointed yourself as the webmaster, have you?

"My impression is that this is supposed to be a place where people with different views can express them."

Wow, that's what I thought, as well. It's awfully strange how often I post thoughts and get insults from emotionally unstable individuals rather than reciprocal intellectual dialogue and usually from the same old people like you and the witch along with a couple of others.

"Sure, we get insults, but those normally at least contain some content, or have an actual point."

See, this is your problem, you think that insults further a discussion when in fact they do not. I prefer NOT to go in that direction, I prefer to exchange ideas, but you along with your posse find yourselves self-anointed to "protect" some abyss of individuals for which no one appointed you, but that's fine you do whatever you want cause I believe in a person's individual freedom to live his/her life as they wish.

But don't try and place yourself in some sanctimonious self-aggrandized position as though you have anything of relevance to contribute when you start throwing insults at others, cause, 'in my opinion', you don't have anything to contribute.

Perhaps if you weren't willing to fight you shouldn't have thrown the first punch.

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Comment #136946 by scooternyc on March 2, 2008 at 4:08 am

Steve, you're such a victim, why do you keep engaging in posts at/toward me, why not just abstain from response.

I have been able on many threads in the past, have perfectly reasonable and congenial dialogue with others where there was a mutual reciprocity and exchange of ideas. Some influence me and I them, it's perfectly enjoyable.

Your subjective opinion of me is just that, your subjective opinion, so what? Clearly you want to live your consequence free lifestyle and I don't agree, so stop responding.

No one is forcing you nor have they ever, to respond to my posts, especially when the posts were not directed at your comments and have nothing to do with you.

Who's minding your business while you're so busy minding everyone else's.

Get over your victim self.

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Comment #136945 by scooternyc on March 2, 2008 at 4:03 am

brue68, I don't mind either law as long as there are consequences to my personal choice where my actions may be at a cost to others, as in an accident.

I, like you, when I rode my motorcycle really enjoyed the freedom of the experience. If I caused injury to someone else then I would be accountable, understood.

Laws don't prevent anyone from doing anything that they are determined to do, it just compels accountability for which then a jury can award compensation and the court can determine liability.

I wonder if there has been any research showing how many people just use the seat belt without pressure of law but just as a safety precaution for him/her self.

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Comment #136933 by scooternyc on March 2, 2008 at 3:48 am

Oh, steve, just fuck off. You're so liberal and so incapable of assimilating anything of intellectual usefulness that you just come off like a ranting liberal fascists(someone wanted a dollar for every time I say this so I'm hoping he just got another dollar).

Your emotional diatribes feigned as intellectual relevance, are crap, just pure crap.

Diacanu, thanks for the compliment, it's nice to know that I still get under your skin, as well as, steve's.

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Comment #136837 by scooternyc on March 1, 2008 at 7:51 pm

Cart, sounds like you just watch too much Oprah, try growing some testicular fortitude in life and quit your crybaby tactics.

If you can't stand the heat, get the hell out of the kitchen.

It would be just like you to throw your co-dependendent liberal ideas in defense of "others" as your reason for insult toward me, then claim offense because you received a simple "fuck you" for having lobbed the insult.

What a mess you are and what a mess your life is.

That's what co-dependents do, focus on others rather than their own personal self-interest and personal accountability/responsibility.

Your life will never change until you stop being a victim (again, write it down and say it daily)

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Comment #136835 by scooternyc on March 1, 2008 at 7:46 pm

Oh, and you're right, you do sound childish, another expense you'll relegate someone else, no doubt.

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Comment #136834 by scooternyc on March 1, 2008 at 7:43 pm

"At the expense of sounding childish, scooternyc is a fucking asshole. But I wish I had a dollar for every time he says "liberal fascist" "

You're such a victim and a baby - you won't argue data you just want to name call - that's why you'll never grow up; never mature; and never develop.

Good for you, nothing like living at the bottom of the food chain for you.

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Comment #136832 by scooternyc on March 1, 2008 at 7:38 pm

More research on "gun control" that liberal fascists ignore:

Gun Control

WorldNetDaily

NCPA.ORG

JustFacts

Florida adopted a right-to-carry law in 1987. Between 1987 and 1996, these changes occurred:

Florida/United States
homicide rate -36%/-0.4%
firearm homicide rate -37%/15%
handgun homicide rate -41%/24%

How many gun shootings do you think happen at gun shows or gun conventions? Zero.

Where do most nut jobs go to kill with guns? Where people are vulnerable - without guns.

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Comment #136483 by scooternyc on March 1, 2008 at 9:57 am

"If that was intended as an insult then it didn't work"

Sure it did, that's why you made the statement of having low self-esteem. You admit to the disease to incite sympathy and then attempt to overcome it by your follow up.

Sadly, you're not capable of it because you lack the courage to take personal responsibility for your choices in life NO MATTER WHAT.

Your life will never change until you stop being a victim. (write that down and put it on your mirror)

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Comment #136482 by scooternyc on March 1, 2008 at 9:54 am

"I suggest you drop the childish pretensions to your own greatness and start being civil for a change."

I have no childish pretensions, I gave that up when I gave up being a liberal. I am a great person, to my friends, to my country, to my world. I don't rely on the opinion of others to make that decision of worth for myself.

I live without cost to others; I take ownership of reality; I am accountable and responsible; I endorse freedom of choice and generosity of spirit.

You just can't stand someone having strong confidence who also doesn't tolerate other people's shit.

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Comment #136481 by scooternyc on March 1, 2008 at 9:50 am

" do have a tremendous lack of self esteem"

No one doubted this; and as far as your idea of personal humility, that's just a bullshit idea from religious people who don't want others who are strong of idea or conviction to state their case strong and clear.

And I would suggest that you take a gander at the plethora of insult that is thrown my way for which I do not complain or wish to silence. I am not a victim. I give what is given. Enter at your own risk. No one needs to coddle anyone else.

If you wanted intelligent dialogue then you should have started with such interaction.

You decided the playing field, now you don't like the result. Tough. You should have thought about that before you popped off.

Want a different result? Behave differently.

I've not been unwelcoming to any blogger who wished to have rational, reasonable dialogue about aspects of life that are of interest to everyone.

But if you think that you can lob an insult of any varying degree and expect others to ignore it, then you're so fucked up you don't know how fucked up you truly are.

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Comment #136478 by scooternyc on March 1, 2008 at 9:44 am

"It is up to others to judge the quality of our contributions, never ourselves"

Wrong. If you can't evaluate your own life from all perspectives then you're nothing but a bottom feeder only seeking food, clothing and shelter.

"I have come to the conclusion that we all have destructive tendencies"

Perhaps you need to be regulated, but you have quite a bit of arrogance deciding that EVERYONE should be.

"Your wittering and whining about accountability and personal responsibility are just so much hot air to most people"

It's because you don't and they don't, possess the qualities, therefore find them unimaginable, impossible to achieve and foreign in concept and application.

Typical revisionist history - you better look at your lobbing of comment 203 when unprovoked from you to me "

I am willing to entertain your pet philosophy with civility if some civility is offered back in return"

Yeah, you stepped out of civility when you chose to lobb your emotional-molotov-cocktail toward my direction.

Then when you were given what you give and can't take the heat, suddenly you're all civil and the other guy is the "abuser"; more typical victim attitude - as though you had nothing to do with the response.

Get a clue - for every action there is a reaction. If you don't like the reaction, I suggest you EVALUATE your actions. Or perhaps that's more of that self-judging you don't participate in.

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Comment #136476 by scooternyc on March 1, 2008 at 9:35 am

"The opinions of anyone who has to crassly talk up their own intelligence with phrases"

Sounds like you have a self-esteem problem and don't think that you have anything intelligent to say.

Given that logic, you probably don't.

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Comment #136475 by scooternyc on March 1, 2008 at 9:34 am

BTW - Frankus, how do you know there are more cars than guns?

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Comment #136474 by scooternyc on March 1, 2008 at 9:33 am

Frankus, I don't see a problem with guns like I don't see a problem with cars. I see a problem with the people given those privileges.

Are you in disagreement with Steveroot?

Can you not just allow personal freedom with personal accountability and laws for consequences to infringing on the freedoms of others?

How is your definition of control any different than a person who is religious and believes their particular narrow view of life should be followed?

How is it not more enriching for people to have freedom of choice?

What is your agenda in limiting the freedom of choice?

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Comment #136471 by scooternyc on March 1, 2008 at 9:24 am

"Firearm suicide accounted for at least 70 percent of firearm deaths in Norway, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, France, and Sweden."

*WOW* If I had to live with too many Liberal Fascists I would probably want to kill myself to get out, as well.

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Comment #136470 by scooternyc on March 1, 2008 at 9:18 am

Yes, cart, we can only cringe at your consequence free lifestyle thrust upon an unsuspecting society. The great unwashed, as it were.

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Comment #136469 by scooternyc on March 1, 2008 at 9:17 am

"There may be a time when you have some good points to make (it IS possible, however unlikely). If no one listens because you are a complete ass, then there can be no dialogue and no learning."

Sharon, I would never be directly apply intellectual information in your direction as it would be a futile act. I just figured you were on the site to flirt, impress and breed with Cart so that the standards of Darwinian stupidity can continue on rather than advancing to higher levels of intelligence in your part of the woods.

BTW - I ALWAYS have good points to make, that's why I make them. If you're not intelligent enough or free of enough disease to know it, then it would be like ire to your ear.

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Comment #136467 by scooternyc on March 1, 2008 at 9:12 am

"As far as I'm concerned, if you want to carry a gun that's fine with me, as long as:
1) the gun is registered.
2) you know how to use it.
3) you accept responsibility for what you do with it.
4) hopefully you are immune to "crimes of passion"

Finally, someone with reason and logic along with the advance of personal freedom.

Bravo!

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Comment #136466 by scooternyc on March 1, 2008 at 9:11 am

"but I guess my powers of observation aren't what they used to be..."

given your posts, they weren't there, ever.

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Comment #136465 by scooternyc on March 1, 2008 at 9:10 am

"In none of the comparison countries did the firearm death rate exceed the motor vehicle death rate"

To your statement, correlation is not causation. We would need to see data that supports "all things being equal" from an unbiased source.

Given the CDC page, then vehicles are the big problem with relation to cause of death, no matter the circumstance. So, this logic leads anyone reading to presume you don't drive.

Look, when you apply first principles of the scientific method to dispute the existence of god, do you not apply that same unbiased principle to other areas of life?

Does it not make sense to you to utilize a standard of understanding in one area applied to another, each seeking unbiased outcome data?

It's shocking sometimes to read these threads where smart people who look to Dawkins and other scientists to explain theory & laws of probability as unbiased information by which to glean conclusions, are incapable of expecting or demanding the same in other areas.

Either some of these people are dangerously ignorant or stupid - you choose which one.

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Comment #136459 by scooternyc on March 1, 2008 at 9:01 am

"Eww, I feel dirty, Scooter wants me for his side... "

You were dirty before I even existed, that was your Darwin nature - nothing anyone could do about that, pal.

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Comment #136457 by scooternyc on March 1, 2008 at 9:00 am

"Students Punished After Buying Lunch With Pennies"

We should start finding out how many deaths happen as a result of people dropping pennies from high places and then outlaw pennies.

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Comment #136454 by scooternyc on March 1, 2008 at 8:57 am

Thank you Steve, I appreciate your vote.

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Comment #136453 by scooternyc on March 1, 2008 at 8:57 am

"But Sharon, you're a liberal fascist! You're bound to say that!"

Cartomancer - you spot it - you got it.

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Comment #136451 by scooternyc on March 1, 2008 at 8:56 am

Sharon, most people do walk around not worrying about being accosted - ever been to NY? It's quite safe here, even by standards of those who carry guns illegally.

Get off your soapbox of liberalism feigned as intellectual relevance.

If you're the riffraff to keep at bay, then let gun control laws fall away.

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Comment #136448 by scooternyc on March 1, 2008 at 8:53 am

" winner of the 2008 Charlton Heston Award for Self-aggrandizing Macho Posturing is..."

Oh god, please let it be me. *crossing fingers*

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Comment #136445 by scooternyc on March 1, 2008 at 8:41 am

No one wants a CCW law until they're in the middle of something and someone who happens to have one pulls it out and saves his life.

What a bunch of bullshit some of you espouse.

It's good to know that if I carry a weapon I need only protect those that agree with my being given the freedom to carry.

That way I can let the others who disagree just be open target practice. Fuck 'em.

I'll merely stand next to those who agree, protect them with force and intimidation so the shooter turns and walks the other way to kill the losing liberal fascists who cower with their control laws.

Fine with me, no argument there; that's fewer liberals to have to deal with.

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Comment #136444 by scooternyc on March 1, 2008 at 8:36 am

Toad - if you're referring to Thomas Hamilton you lack a good rebuttal.

This article clearly states the unstable capacity of one said individual for which you present your information based on a single report by Cullen.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/oct/04/ukcrime.ukguns

As is the wont of most liberal fascists, they don't want to account for personal responsibility.

Freedom for those who can manage their lives and clearly consequences for those that cannot.

It's so easy to photoshop a moment in time and call that the reason.

How many domestic issues are cause for use of guns?

How many gang related issues?

What is the stat for persons known to others in using a handgun?

You don't need to find out these stats, you need only ask the logical questions to realize that the issue is about personal responsibility to manage a gun, a car, a knife, scissors, or just about anything that can be used as a weapon.

You want to place all this emotional diatribe onto guns when in fact the cliche is right: "guns don't kill people; people kill people".

But, as a Liberal Fascists you probably think that guns are the problem.

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Comment #136434 by scooternyc on March 1, 2008 at 7:16 am

Yeah, toad, it's too bad you want to name call and attack personally rather than bringing your data and ideas to the table for rational and reasonable discussion.

Not typical though of Liberal Fascists.

Ooops! was that a personal attack.

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Comment #136432 by scooternyc on March 1, 2008 at 7:09 am

And I call you just a commontoad

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Comment #136431 by scooternyc on March 1, 2008 at 7:09 am

"That force is preferable to other forms of conflict resolution."

Breathtaking inanity.

Clearly freedom of anything in life is not in your purview. Glad we have that straight.

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Comment #136429 by scooternyc on March 1, 2008 at 7:03 am

I forgot how many Liberal Fascists there were on this site. LOL!

It's always interesting to observe the people who self-identify as Liberals, negate the word with all the CONTROL they want to have over what everyone can say and do in life.

It's becoming quite apparent that the Christian Right aren't the ones to fear but the Liberal Fascists, instead.

At least the Christians at this point in time promote more individual freedoms than Liberal Fascists.

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Comment #136411 by scooternyc on March 1, 2008 at 5:34 am

Sharon - do the world a favor and don't breed.

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Comment #136403 by scooternyc on March 1, 2008 at 5:11 am

"I don't see much potential for harming people with condoms."

You harm them without the protection.

The point is "protection of self". Self-reliance.

"It seems I am not going to get the statistics I was interested in, so I'll leave it at that."

Who claimed statistics for your request? Look it up yourself.

Isn't it interesting that in 2 short posts you relegate personal responsibility to someone else.

I sat here this morning researching stats and sites to find interesting information to further discuss the issue.

You're just lazy and thus most likely the sound-bite citizen who takes the headline and runs with it as truth. How irresponsible.