1001. On Desire

Comment #31102 by Logicel on April 11, 2007 at 2:29 am

Damg, I selected no rank and submitted. I wanted to select excellent! I enjoyed this interview and will check out the NYT for more science presentations in the future. Could the NYT finally be waking up to the digital world?

Yorker, I don't know if I am becoming a dirty old lady or what, but I found watching Corcoran and Fisher interacting in this interview very sexy--2 attractive and intelligent people discussing sex is quite a frisson. I am convinced Corcoran wanted to jump Fisher's bones.

1002. Answers To the Atheists

Comment #31099 by Logicel on April 11, 2007 at 1:45 am

Schrommer In reading your comment to scooterNYC, I am now informed that you love Jesus who is the human incarnation of 1/3 part of Yaweh, and not necessarily religion in its organized inanity.

You are one kind of believer in the supernatural of whom I have met several examples. You have decided that you know your interpretation of Jesus and his meaning to humanity is the real and only one. Your interpretation fills you with joy, purpose, and meaning. I can accept that, though I certainly do not understand it!

My conclusion is that you need to believe, and I do not need to believe in the supernatural. Your believing in sin is incomprehensible to me. In order to believe in sin, I would need to believe in the whole enchilada, with its excessive supernatural trimmings which is a feast that would make me vomit and not nourish me at all. Since sin is non-existent to me, I am not saddened by something that is non-existent, and therefore I have no need to be liberated or saved from it via Jesus.

I have often encountered in my life, the perverse human trait of 'identifying' a problem just so it can be solved. Oh, what satisfaction there is to revel in the joys of a solution of your own making for a problem of your own making. Your spiritual quest seems to fit that bill.

1003. Answers To the Atheists

Comment #31089 by Logicel on April 10, 2007 at 11:55 pm

Shrommer, In addition, I would like to point out that the meaning of life is for genes to be passed on. That makes complete sense to me. Humanity, however, has been able to transcend the selfish gene and work together for the common good to benefit both the individual and society in which individuals need in order to survive. This makes sense to me also.

Our brains and its ability to think critically are responsible for our impressive progress, and our brain is a result of our evolution. It is in this transcending of the selfish gene, that humanity comes into its own and can decide what meaning it can apply to the underlying one of gene replication. This is exciting stuff to me.

As a very nice and kind Christian once said to me, "Don't worry (I don't), you will go to heaven and many Christians won't" because she grasped my 'truly Christian' focus to be good to myself and to be good to others without even being a Christian.

1004. Answers To the Atheists

Comment #31088 by Logicel on April 10, 2007 at 11:43 pm

Shrommer, Human morality is, in part, hard wired, it resulted from our need to co-operate in order to survive, and then it got 'coded' into various holy books along with a lot of silliness if taken literally.

Humans are finite beings, at this stage of our development anyway, and we are subjected to limitations. We work within those limitations to further the quality of our lives. Absolutes leave me cold, they do not add anything more to my basic morality resulting from the evolution of my species. Humans have the capacity to learn from their mistakes. Anyway, that is the Christian view also. Not surprising since Christianity, in my view, is human-made. We have made God in our own image, the creative, imaginative bunch that we are.

Free will as described in Christianity which I regard as ridiculous, since Yaweh knows everything what his subjects will do, is a religious feature also. Any human, regardless if they are atheistic or religious, chooses in part--there is current research in neuroscience which is broadening our understanding of what really constitutes human choice--within the limitations of being human to act in the way she/he does.

Frankly, religion does nothing for me---I don't need it at all in order to be fulfilled, happy, and productive. If such religious beliefs as God is love, God is the absolute purpose and meaning, floats your boat, so be it. I regard religious belief in the supernatural to be ludicrous, but if a religious believer wants and chooses to believe, then I got no problem with that, as long as it is kept out of the public sphere and not forced into children's minds. However, it is my experience that it is very rare for believers in the supernatural to be able to compartmentalize fully the supernatural from the natural.

Critical thinking is no miracle--it is what the human brain is capable of doing. It is an on-going process in which I get better and better at doing as time progresses. It is a wonderful activity, allowing me to learn from my mistakes and improve the quality of my life. Its value increases because it works for me, the more effort and energy I put into critical thinking, the more I understand my universe and the roles in which I can choose to play. It is a wonderful and exciting experience to be human and living in the natural world. I find the supernatural to be boring.

1005. Is God poison?

Comment #31077 by Logicel on April 10, 2007 at 10:43 pm

Veronique, thanks for the link to that very comprehensive article--I agree with its major points. How wasteful, to ignore the youth of the rest of the world and the older folks that can and want to contribute via working, and to focus instead on paying women of your nation to beget children that really are not wanted or even needed!!! And to scare everybody for the wrong reason, not for overpopulation and global warming, but instead because their pension checks will not be provided by the fruit of their own national womb.

1006. Is God poison?

Comment #31075 by Logicel on April 10, 2007 at 10:21 pm

Helian wrote: "Huge numbers of people worldwide are obsessed with the United States, to the point that they sometimes become indifferent to what is going on in their own countries."
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I disagree. In my personal experience of living abroad for 15 years, Europeans are mostly indifferent to American culture, and more focused on their own. They like their own, and mostly dislike American. They are not in denial of their feelings, and when asked can respond clearly to why they are not fond of many aspects regarding American lifestyle. I, as an American, have NEVER been subjected to hate because I happened to be born and raised in America. I have only experienced wonderful acceptance of my humanity, in a way, that I have never experienced in America.

Ironically, the more I read of Helian's comments, the more I dislike--in my indifferent manner, of course--America and its obsession with itself and its perceived 'great and central' role it plays in the world.

1007. Is God poison?

Comment #30988 by Logicel on April 10, 2007 at 2:10 pm

Here is a summary of what Anti-Americanism is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Americanism


I agree with Fishpeddler's feedback to Helian. It is still very hard for me to take Helian's comments seriously. I have read about Anti-Americanism for about 30 years, and to equate hate-mongering with it is wrong.

There are many aspects of America that not only do I criticize, but I don't like. It is not hate, it is dislike, and it is my prerogative after living in America and other countries to be able to decide that I dislike much about America, so much in fact, that I prefer not to live there. I am not in denial, I am in touch with my feelings. My feelings may not be acceptable to others, but I am truly indifferent to that aspect.

Hate-mongering does not constitute criticism nor dislike, hate is hate. To attach that sentiment to Dawkins is ridiculous.

1008. Hey Mom, I'm an Atheist

Comment #30928 by Logicel on April 10, 2007 at 11:06 am

I agree with anotherclinton. Poor kid, poor mom. She sounded incredulous as she thinks her child turned atheist overnight. That may seemed that way to her, probably because he kept his atheistic stirrings secret. I wonder when a gay child comes out to his parents, if they say a similar thing: "You can't just turn gay OVERNIGHT!!!"

1009. Is God poison?

Comment #30891 by Logicel on April 10, 2007 at 8:47 am

Yorker, I did describe my batteries as L0NGLASTING. I will leave the rest up to your imagination.

1010. Is God poison?

Comment #30884 by Logicel on April 10, 2007 at 8:24 am

Yorker, I am Logicel after all--in part I chose the id Logicel to stimulate an image of an indefatigable logic machine running on long-lasting batteries (the suffix borrowed from Duracel batteries).

1011. Is God poison?

Comment #30849 by Logicel on April 10, 2007 at 4:15 am

I have now read this artcle once through, and will give it a second read. But my first reaction is that it is a very odd article!

While describing atheistic concerns fairly well with comparatively little sniping, Bethune seems to be saying that moderates are the main focus of atheists, and atheists with their insistence that there is nothing of value in religion, will alienate them sufficiently and therefore fail in their endeavor of encouraging the religious moderates to let go of non-evidential faith in the supernatural.

Bethune seems very sympathetic to that charmer, Hitchens. I do not know if he is disappointed in atheists because he wants them to succeed, and thinks that this new vocalism will prevent their success, or he regards the quest for the discarding of faith-based beliefs to be wrong.

Perhaps Bethune will do a follow up article.

1012. Is God poison?

Comment #30845 by Logicel on April 10, 2007 at 3:59 am

"Aren't the ungodly in charge now, the churches empty on Sunday, religious leaders and religious viewpoints shouted out of the political arena? Are not contraception, abortion and, very soon, homosexual marriage the norm across the Western world? Who's winning this war anyway?"
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The radical religious right in the most military powerful country in the world, America, is not a figment of the atheistic imagination. This radical religious group is focused on eroding the American constitution to fit their faith-based agenda. Supporters of democratic freedoms and secularism cannot ever think the battle has been won forever--we need always to be vigilant.

1013. Is God poison?

Comment #30842 by Logicel on April 10, 2007 at 3:54 am

"That contempt, along with the stridency and a totalitarian disdain for everything to do with religion, is rooted in fear and failure."
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More proof that either Bethune did not read with intent to understand or he did not read the books he is discussing: Harris and Dawkins have both discussed the merit of benign religions. The contempt is not for the believer, but for the beliefs. Lastly, the recognition of failure and fear is human, and atheists handle that fact admirably well.

1014. Is God poison?

Comment #30840 by Logicel on April 10, 2007 at 3:39 am

"...to be the only one who admits to having religious friends, the atheists' own dirty little secret..."
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Maybe because it is obvious that atheists would have many friends/acquaintances, colleagues, and family members who believe in religion, that atheists don't scream that obvious fact from the rooftops?

1015. Is God poison?

Comment #30829 by Logicel on April 10, 2007 at 3:03 am

The segment of atheists who considered themselves to be Brights, will appreciate--as RD as pointed out above--Bethune's unintentional compliment by describing atheistic confrontation with theism as sparkling and glittering via his sloppy use of coruscating:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/coruscating

1016. Is God poison?

Comment #30828 by Logicel on April 10, 2007 at 2:59 am

"Whatever else God may be, he is most assuredly not dead. You can take his critics' word, and the depth of their passion, for that."
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Again the old canard. Atheists are concerned with the BELIEF in God. They, themselves, do not believe in God, and therefore God does not exist for them. But the reality of many people believing in God(s) is the reason why atheists discuss such belief in God. It is not a question of whether or not God is dead since God does not exist to atheists, but it is a question of people who believe in God(s), existing. Hence the need for such spirited discussion as atheists regard beliefs based solely on faith in the supernatural to be dangerous.

1017. Is God poison?

Comment #30826 by Logicel on April 10, 2007 at 2:50 am

I will be honest, it is next to impossible to read with serious intent for understanding an author's viewpoint if they have gotten the wrong end of the stick so much that they have concluded that RD is both anti-American and a cold-hearted automaton impervious to beauty and wonder. I am unable to take these kinds of authors seriously.

And they very well may have some good points to make, but they do themselves an injustice by not taking the time and effort to understand the core issue which is under debate: the dangers and implausibility of faith-based beliefs which are held without significant evidence, and the corresponding thinking such faith-based belief is good simply because it is faith-based belief along with the collective consent not to criticize such non-evidential beliefs.

1018. Beatrix Potter, scientist

Comment #30818 by Logicel on April 10, 2007 at 1:56 am

A fascinating woman: artist, botanist, and enviromentalist.

Though she plodded along by herself fairly well without any official blessing from male scientists, you got to wonder what else she could have achieved if women were allowed to participate as professional and recognized scientists in her time period.

With E.O. Wilson's wonderful presentation still fresh in mind, as it is problematic for the furthering of science and discovery if species are allowed to die out at the astonishing rate they are at present, it is just as problematic that 50% of the human species, that is, females, though they are not threatened with extinction, they are in many countries, a dormant species.

1019. Then Call it God

Comment #30816 by Logicel on April 10, 2007 at 1:33 am

I regard references to Dawkins being a god as being a clever combination of admiration for RD and satire directed towards the theists. Maybe some posters here need to develop a sense of humor.

However, every once in awhile, I do see some apprehensive worship of RD that does put me on my guard. Atheists are humans after all, and have it in their power to idolize anything without thinking including a plain-speaking, down-to-earth guy like RD.

1020. The Coulter Hoax: How Ann Coulter Exposed the Intelligent Design Movement

Comment #30814 by Logicel on April 10, 2007 at 1:10 am

Yup, WilliamP, I would be crushingly disappointed if Coulter failed to take Olofsson satirical review of her book out of context and use it to her financial benefit. My little Annie would be slipping then, and I can't have that.

Coulter gave away her 'power' when she admitted she likes to shock and get a rise out of her audience. So the best response is to be bored by her. And I am.

Above article is both a totally enjoyable satire and a very informative piece at the same time. Very clever.

1021. Answers To the Atheists

Comment #30809 by Logicel on April 10, 2007 at 12:50 am

Shrommer, Atheists choose and make their own meaning, and that is why they are committed to promoting a good society. Their lives are full of meaning. And evolution is not chance, that is a common misunderstanding held by religionists towards evolution. Natural selection is not chance, though random mutation is. I find that to be a wonderful combination, and in order for it to result in the complexity we see all around us, billions of years were necessary to accomplish the wonders surrounding us.

And it is tolerance of intolerance that Harris is warning against. Intolerance is part and parcel of each and every dogma, whether it is religion-based or secular like communism, because one must suspend reason to accept the dogma and not to question or challenge it. Having doubts about your religion is not the same as subjecting your religious beliefs to critical thinking. Having doubts about your religion can be encouraged by your religious leaders, because it causes a sense that you are not taking your faith granted. But doubting is not critical thinking, and critical thinking is what all dogma, including religion and communism, fight.

Atheists encourage critical thinking.

1022. Even non-believers must recognise the moral necessity of Christianity

Comment #30720 by Logicel on April 9, 2007 at 2:01 pm

briancoughlanworldcitizen, excellent vid, I commented and rated it, but as usual, there is a lag period before youtube lets them appear. I really enjoyed it. It was very clear and easy to understand.

1023. Prophets of the new atheism

Comment #30683 by Logicel on April 9, 2007 at 10:33 am

Well since this study left out The Infidel guy also, then I would say that this study sux.

http://www.infidelguy.com/

1024. Even non-believers must recognise the moral necessity of Christianity

Comment #30667 by Logicel on April 9, 2007 at 9:31 am

Fishpeddler, Cruel? At least Brian and I do not nuke cans of corn in the microwave for the pure pleasure of it!!!!!!!!

1025. Even non-believers must recognise the moral necessity of Christianity

Comment #30659 by Logicel on April 9, 2007 at 8:39 am

Yorker, just in case you were not aware, BrianCoughlandworldcitizen and myself, are also both deeply committed to ending nationalism and patriotism. As we pointed out, just live in a few countries, and you have a greater chance of letting go of this odd emotional attachment to the country in which you were born without your having any say in the matter. It was just a geographical accident that we are born in the countries in which we are born.

Being brought up as a Catholic American, I always was able to reject Catholicism with its inanity, though I had to pretend I was swallowing it hook, line, and sinker until at the age of 18, when I was able to have my own home and no longer had to lie when asked what my religion was.

But with my American identity, it took hold fast with me, and it took several decades for me to let go of it. And it was a wonderful, liberating, and joyous experience. I think my American identity was harder for me to resist because it represented to me the 'real' world. Of course, it is just a tiny bit of the real world. While, with Catholicism, it was always this stupid, dumb, pathetic nonsense that never had any appeal to me whatsoever.

1026. Militant atheists: too clever for their own good

Comment #30657 by Logicel on April 9, 2007 at 8:16 am

Thanks, poundemonium, for providing the quote for this wonderful description of the Vatican: "...the splendor and majesty of the Western tradition reduced to a geriatric, art-filled echo chamber."

I may have to exchange my own favorite description, a festering pustule which needs to be popped, for it.

1027. Militant atheists: too clever for their own good

Comment #30655 by Logicel on April 9, 2007 at 8:11 am

Thanks, filthyatheist for your astute picking out such an excellent piece of dross: "...eat and wash,..." Obviously Moore is badly brought up regarding basic table manners--where I come from it is wash and eat!!!!!!!!!! Maybe he is morphing into a cat?

1028. The Selfish Green

Comment #30628 by Logicel on April 9, 2007 at 4:26 am

celestial_T, Hanks has managed to, despite his bland, good-guy appearance, via significant acting talent and energy to pull off some good roles. My personal favorite is Punchline co-starring with Sally Fields about the aspirations of stand-up comedians. He is noted for his style of understating his acting so much, you take it for granted and think the guy is not acting.

1029. Even non-believers must recognise the moral necessity of Christianity

Comment #30611 by Logicel on April 9, 2007 at 2:59 am

Some of us have discussed on other threads how death is something that we are not allowed to confront with dignity, via psychological, and physical assistance. In part, it is because the religites are clogging up the human energy routes to accomplishing this, with their interference with genetic engineering, dying assistance, and their mumbo jumbo ranting of religious superstitions lacing death rites.

I suspect death in itself would be much less fearful if we were prepared for it properly, talked about it more wisely, and included its reality into our lives in a positive way. We are finite at the moment, and we can deal with it much better than adhering to the joke of what the religious thinks composes comfort giving. I want real comfort, not the mass-controlling crapola which the religites dish out on a sickening and routine basis.

1030. Even non-believers must recognise the moral necessity of Christianity

Comment #30610 by Logicel on April 9, 2007 at 2:52 am

One cannot comment at the original site, and apparently letters to the newspaper deal with only the printed paper's editorials.

1031. Even non-believers must recognise the moral necessity of Christianity

Comment #30609 by Logicel on April 9, 2007 at 2:48 am

Anderson, your wonderful friend, Frank Steel, was wasted on you!

I find Anderson's coy ploy of introducing his terminally ill atheistic friend at the beginning of his article to be demonstrative of this author's incredible manipulative stance. He has known a clear-thinking atheist and all he can extrapolate from that experience is most likely his friend was exceptional, and that special atheistic quality is not commonly found within other atheists?

Again, truth is not important. Belief in belief is. He also assumes that he knows what is best for all of humanity.

The author writes: "As a result, religion is one of the most powerful impulses in the human psyche, and shares a characteristic with two of the others, sex and money."

You mean my generation got it wrong, and it was not "Sex, drugs, and rock and roll" after all?

1032. Answers To the Atheists

Comment #30495 by Logicel on April 8, 2007 at 8:17 am

Fonex_86, If you are serious about requiring help and fearing for your life, don't ask help here in the virtual world. Seek out an atheistic group nearby you and register with them.

1033. Prophets of the new atheism

Comment #30490 by Logicel on April 8, 2007 at 7:55 am

Brian, my rating and comment at youtube is not yet showing--there is a lag time before comments show apparently.

Speak slower next time. All in all, fairly decent vid for a first time plunge.

1034. Prophets of the new atheism

Comment #30447 by Logicel on April 8, 2007 at 4:26 am

There is no way to comment at the original site for this article that I can see. However, the majority of the posts so far on this thread would have been good enough to copy and paste if comments were allowed.

Comments posted here are often written with such clarity fueled by passion and solidarity provided by the knowledge that you are preaching to the choir, that I think that these comments in their original form should be copied and pasted without much editing to provide the pow quality that our atheist stance needs to the original sites of the articles allowing comments.

Such comments should be edited for profanity and name-calling. Just do it. After writing your original comment, check to see if the original source of the article allows comments, and than copy and paste. Make our thoughtful comments work harder, give them more exposure. However, don't waste your time posting to fundy sites, they will just censor your comment. But for mainstream media, I encourage us to develop the habit of double posting.

1035. E.O. Wilson Accepts his 2007 TED Prize

Comment #30443 by Logicel on April 8, 2007 at 3:57 am

Bravo, E.O. Wilson! A truly superb presentation-- done in an informative, stimulating, and entertaining style graced by his charming, cutie-pie manner.

Highlights that really appealed: the marvelous film demonstrating biodiversity set to a song by the incomparable Billy Holiday, the call to arms via The Encyclopedia of Life web project, the coinage of HIPPO as means to stay aware of the enemies of biodiversity, and last but not least that magnificent salute to the picture of Darwin as Wilson's final gesture in his presentation.

1036. Crucifixion 'makes God into a psychopath'

Comment #30431 by Logicel on April 8, 2007 at 3:17 am

Unfortunately many people do misunderstand what schizophrenia is: the person cannot distinquish reality from non-reality. Thanks, fortytwo for pointing out that often abused and incorrect definition of schizophrenia. You scored one in my book.

1037. Crucifixion 'makes God into a psychopath'

Comment #30423 by Logicel on April 8, 2007 at 3:12 am

fortytwo wrote: "good point about him knowing he would have to do it - maybe hes an optimist and hoped we wouldn't get this bad."
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Are you sure you understand your own arguments? Your God knew that it would get that bad.

1038. Crucifixion 'makes God into a psychopath'

Comment #30421 by Logicel on April 8, 2007 at 3:08 am

fortytwo, I, like George Carlin, worship Joe Pesci, and he pawns your God with his paltry 3 personalities because Pesci has managed to create 40 different film characters. Wow, a 40 to 1 God. Super, mega cooooooool.

1039. Answers To the Atheists

Comment #30273 by Logicel on April 7, 2007 at 11:24 am

WilliamP wrote, "And why can't he join us atheists? I just don't get it."
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Since the author did not come out clearly why he can't join the atheists despite his doubts, my interpretation of his implicit meaning is that he needs to believe even with the doubts. His need is strong enough to hold those doubts at bay long enough so he can get some benefit from his religious superstitions.

1040. Crucifixion 'makes God into a psychopath'

Comment #30259 by Logicel on April 7, 2007 at 11:03 am

41. Comment #30255 by fortytwo on April 7, 2007 at 10:50 am
I don't agree with Very Rev Jeffrey John at all, it seems he doesn't have a very good understanding of his own faith! God didn't 'demand' the blood of his own son - the Bible makes it clear that Jesus chose to undergo the crucifixion, and its not as if he was some random guy God chose to suffer instead of us. Jesus was God, they are the same - God suffered as and with Jesus on the cross. It was all Jesus' choice - that's why it was so important!
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Why did God/Jesus/Holy Spirit (how odd for a monotheistic religion to manage to have a trinity while still claiming to be monotheistic--if I wanted to go the religion route I would opt for Islam--there is no god but god) give humanity the ability to sin in the first place if the all knowing trinity knew that humanity would sin and that the trinity would have to get involved in its salvation. Oh yes, only god understands his own plan. How convenient when the absolute idiocy of christian beliefs are exposed, christians go that route.

1041. Answers To the Atheists

Comment #30256 by Logicel on April 7, 2007 at 10:53 am

What a nice Christian. He is embracing Christianity because he is a weak human, and he cannot expect to be able to perceive what is good and bad by his little old self. And he calls that approach challenging? Try depending on yourself to be moral instead of hitching your moral wagon to a figment of your imagination. Now, that would be a challenge. You may find out you don't need to make believe in order to be an excellent and moral human being. A call to rebellion? What against? Your humanity?

1042. Did John Paul II perform a miracle? Am I Mother Teresa?

Comment #30247 by Logicel on April 7, 2007 at 10:34 am

That guy with spiny cacti stuck in his skin, with chains across his chest, and a black hood over his face needs help. Will he get it, nooooooooooooo, because his nuttiness is not really nuttiness, it is just his religion!!!!!!!!

1043. Crucifixion 'makes God into a psychopath'

Comment #30244 by Logicel on April 7, 2007 at 10:31 am

bouwe wrote: "I think these things go some way to help explain the origins of this bizarre doctrine which is FRONT AND CENTRAL and AT THE HEART of Christianity. I think it is important that if one wishes to give Christianity a fatal blow that one should learn to strike it at it's heart (after all, that's where the blood is, eh?)

After you accept this crazy idea, then you will think it is absolutely "normal" to symbolically drink his blood and eat his flesh in the holy sacrament of communion!"
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And faith heads feel persecuted when others refuse to respect their appallingly ridiculous beliefs because they happened to be religious ones? Faith heads can believe what they want to, no one can or wants to make them stop if they do not themselves, but no way should they expect respect for the utter bollocks which they cherish.

1044. Crucifixion 'makes God into a psychopath'

Comment #30220 by Logicel on April 7, 2007 at 8:23 am

I guess if Yaweh nailed all his sinful and truly guilty subjects to trees there would be nobody remaining for him with whom to play his games. Clever bastard.

1045. Militant atheists: too clever for their own good

Comment #30206 by Logicel on April 7, 2007 at 8:11 am

dirtpiggy, your comment #30194 was eminently reasonable. You should have spare some of your 'superior' reasoning for the peasants of the world--apparently reasoning is a limited commodity.

May I suggest that it is fine to warn us of a long post so we may decide postpone reading it at a more convenient time if so needed, but there is no need to apologize for the length of a thoughtful post. The posters that go on and on about nothing never apologize for their written barfing, but I have noted the thoughtful ones do!!!

1046. Crucifixion 'makes God into a psychopath'

Comment #30174 by Logicel on April 7, 2007 at 6:19 am

The problem I see is that your hard work could be deleted by a Fundy control-freak monitor. I have brought this up before, but some of the content at this website is excellent and should somehow be collected into a more navigable vehicle than at present so its nuggets can be posted at other sites more easily--a litany of well honed responses to the typical absurdity presented by supporters of religious superstitions and their apologists. No need to re-invent the literary wheel in combating religion

1047. Crucifixion 'makes God into a psychopath'

Comment #30172 by Logicel on April 7, 2007 at 6:15 am

As much as I enjoy your graphic posts, bouwe I hope you let some of your creative juices flow at Fundy's websites. Some atheists have the gumption and potent creativity to sock it to those fundies. I am not one of them.

1048. Crucifixion 'makes God into a psychopath'

Comment #30170 by Logicel on April 7, 2007 at 6:12 am

bouwe wrote, "(Mel Gibson paints the picture for you in his theological snuff movie)"

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Damg, that is a great description of that wingnut's glory-in-gore 'masterpiece'.

1049. Crucifixion 'makes God into a psychopath'

Comment #30159 by Logicel on April 7, 2007 at 5:21 am

Oh fonex_86, it must be disgustingly hard for you to endure Easter when you are surrounded by wingnuts. Keep your sense of humor and hold steadfastly to your understanding of the absurdity of their beliefs and realize you are one tough mother to be atheistic in your environment.

1050. Crucifixion 'makes God into a psychopath'

Comment #30157 by Logicel on April 7, 2007 at 5:19 am

If any bit of the Christian tenets can clearly show that religion in general is derived from ancient and pagan beliefs it is the sacrifice made by God of his only son to atone for sins which he himself made possible and then pretends that his subjects have free will to choose to either commit or not commit sins despite the fact that he is all knowing and is very hard to understand.

This jumble of nonsense came into being because ancient men had little understanding of the natural world. However, there is no excuse for this crapola to flourish at present without serious and sustained criticism of its absurd dangers of blindly following outdated and useless information simply because believing in belief in good. Believing in information which is based on evidence is good, not in pure faith-based religious superstitions.