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1051. Fleabytes

Comment #143447 by epeeist on March 14, 2008 at 5:50 am

Comment #143443 by Steve Zara


"Gods make weather, and it is not a scientific question" [gone]

"Gods move the sun and moon, and it is not a scientific question" [gone]

"God made all species, and it is not a scientific question" [gone]

"God made the universe, and it is not a scientific question" ....
Shush, wooter may be listening.

1052. Fleabytes

Comment #143427 by epeeist on March 14, 2008 at 5:33 am

Comment #143420 by Sargeist


Well, when I can get around to thinking about it carefully, my opinion about abortion tends to be that I would prefer the world to be a place in which it was not necessary, but given that it is, I think that it ought to be made as simple as possible as early as possible to those who want it.
It isn't very much different from what the pro-choice people want - http://www.prochoiceamerica.org/issues/

Look at the section on birth control in particular.

You will also note that Mr. Robertson states
Secondly as science clearly demonstrates, it is not just your body. There is the body of the child within. Science now tells us that the body within the womb has everything that the body outwith the womb has. Why do you regard the body of the mother as sacred but the body of the child is dispensible? From a rational point of view (never mind the 'good book') it does not make sense.


My emphasis.

Personally I think this is a simple use of emotive language. Is a blastocyte a child? If it isn't then what is the problem with abortion? If it is then why does god let something like 50% of foetuses spontaneously abort?

1053. Fleabytes

Comment #143409 by epeeist on March 14, 2008 at 5:15 am

Comment #143397 by fides_et_ratio

How about a nice coffee shop in London?
Blasphemer!

The obvious place is York, home of Betty's Teashop. The best time to go would be during the York Early Music Festival - http://www.ncem.co.uk/yemf2.shtml (Tea, Music, pagan deities at the Jorvik Centre, Sam Smith's Beer, boating on the river, what more do we need?)

1054. Two More Fleas

Comment #143318 by epeeist on March 14, 2008 at 2:04 am

Comment #143282 by clearmind


(1.How did god make our sense of smell?)

God created all creation with his ultimate knowledge and wisdom that is reflected on His art.
In other words, he just did it. No explanation. I will keep this on the list of questions you haven't answered.
1.(How did god make the chemical receptors in your nose?)
(I have given you a basic outline of the biological/physical/chemical processes going on)
Where? Jon and I wanted the exact process, you haven't provided this. I will keep this one on the list.


2.(What exact force do you think god used to shape our DNA? Did he use electromagnetism, gravity, weak nuclear force, or strong nuclear force? What was the mechanism used to generate this force?)

Answer:
The genetic code in the DNA proves that life on earth originated from intelligence, since information requires an intelligent sender.
Does not address the question and also uses a circular argument. So far your score is 0 out of 3.

Since you didn't answer the rest of the questions you score on this test is 0. Not very impressive.

The first cause thing by the way - virtual particles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_particles) are created and annihilated all the time in the quantum vacuum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_Vacuum). No causality is required. Unless you are saying that your god actually creates and destroys all of these particles. Would you agree with that, a simple yes or no will do.

To go on to your questions
  1. Chemistry of the early earth - probably much like that of Titan (www.rssd.esa.int/SB/HUYGENS/docs/SP1177/raulin.pdf ) but much warmer of course.
  2. Chirality of amino acids. More a question for a biologist than a a physicist. I suspect the answer is "we don't really know", some amino acids that fall to earth are left handed and the Bonner hypothesis proposes that this could have been caused by natural beta decay or polarisation
  3. Genetic Algorithms. These are algorithms implemented by programmers. I know programmers exist, since I work with them on a daily basis. Fred Williams - someone who can't tell the difference between Shannon information and Kolmogorov complexity. I see where you are getting your information - http://www.evolutionfairytale.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t120.html


Now let's cut to the chase:

How old do YOU think the earth is?

1055. Fleabytes

Comment #143188 by epeeist on March 13, 2008 at 3:22 pm

Comment #143165 by Quetzalcoatl


There will apparently be a Q&A session. If anyone can think of any good questions, feel free to PM them to me, and I will try and ask some of them.

No, but this sounds a good technique

http://richarddawkins.net/articleComments,453,The-Only-One-in-Step,Richard-Dawkins,page6#141632

1056. Bishop accuses gays of 'conspiracy' against the Catholic Church

Comment #143045 by epeeist on March 13, 2008 at 11:43 am

Just dropped a line on the article comments suggesting that the Church ought to excommunicate any Catholic either being involved in or denying the Holocaust, even if they have to do it posthumously.

1057. Ban anti-Catholic books in schools, says bishop

Comment #143016 by epeeist on March 13, 2008 at 11:09 am

What is it about the clergy from Lancaster and its environs? First we the Bishop of Carlise claiming that homosexuality caused the floods and now we have another bishop wanting to bring back the Index Librorum Prohibitorum.

Time to write to Ed Balls I think.

1058. Fleabytes

Comment #143001 by epeeist on March 13, 2008 at 10:28 am

Comment #142994 by annabanana

This is a bit late, but...

Comment #142968 by SharonMcT on March 13, 2008 at 9:25 am

I agree with you totally. Nothing irritates me more.

It isn't too late at all.

I might send my elder daughter the details of the Mr. Robertson's London meeting. She might just attend. She used to work for Naral in Boston...

1059. Fleabytes

Comment #142982 by epeeist on March 13, 2008 at 9:46 am

Comment #142935 by Steve Zara

Garden view:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mistdog/2277709922/in/set-72157600382950605/

How incredibly flat!

You can find mine here - http://www.flickr.com/photos/10983076@N08/page2/

I haven't started tagging or setting them as yet, so apologies for the apparent chaos.

1060. Fleabytes

Comment #142933 by epeeist on March 13, 2008 at 8:20 am

Comment #142927 by Steve Zara


This site has motivated me to finally start planning an actual study, with organised book-shelves, a good desk and a view out to the garden.
The study I have, and my employer provides me with a good desk and chair (Miller Aeron for all you back sufferers). The garden is slightly tricky since it slopes up at about one in 6 from my window until it reaches the tennis court. Essentially all I can see is a grassy bank.

1061. Fleabytes

Comment #142922 by epeeist on March 13, 2008 at 7:53 am

I know it is a truism that getting atheists to agree on anything (apart from a distinct scarcity of gods) is like herding cats. However, there is a distinct community of friends here.

I think the major thing that this site has done for me is to get me out of the eat, work, sleep cycle. It has stretched mental muscles that haven't been exercised for too long. The complaints I have is there isn't enough time in the day to stretch these muscles as much as I would like, that the equipment needed for the exercises is either in boxes (I keep raiding them and coming up with "The Scarlet Pimpernel" or "The Once and Future King" rather than "Objective Knowledge, though I did find Frege's "Theory of Judgement" the other day) that we haven't opened since we moved or has to be waited for since there is always too much month at the end of the money.

1062. Fleabytes

Comment #142905 by epeeist on March 13, 2008 at 7:28 am

Comment #142903 by AllanW

What do you all want to talk about now? :)
We could talk about Diacanu - he has obviously gone to bed and is missing the party.

1063. Two More Fleas

Comment #142897 by epeeist on March 13, 2008 at 7:24 am

Comment #142890 by clearmind


Reverend, you seem to be very relaxed, while you are at it, would you please explain us how did flea mutate or evolve from what and ended with what? So much about fleas but we never talk about their spot in the evolution tree?
Actually no, it is your turn to answer questions not to ask them. Please answer the questions here - http://richarddawkins.net/articleComments,2352,Two-More-Fleas,RichardDawkinsnet,page2#142666

1064. Two More Fleas

Comment #142889 by epeeist on March 13, 2008 at 7:21 am

Comment #142868 by nalfeshnee


I like that one and will be keeping it to bring out when confronted with a similar "question".
The one that I like to point out is that the only place that human crab lice can live is in human hair, particularly that around the genitals.

One can therefore argue that the universe has better tuning for crab lice than for humans.

1065. The Salamander's Tale

Comment #142854 by epeeist on March 13, 2008 at 6:31 am

Comment #142703 by Jon_Sociologist

You will now note that he has switched threads
Where?

Here

http://richarddawkins.net/articleComments,2352,Two-More-Fleas,RichardDawkinsnet,page2#142623

I am already asking for answers to questions...

1066. Fleabytes

Comment #142835 by epeeist on March 13, 2008 at 6:10 am

Comment #142825 by MPhil


concerning one of your posts on page 99 - are you aware that McIntyre turned Catholic Thomist in the 80s?
No, "After Virtue" stems from the early 80's, I wonder if he changed before or after he wrote it.

Also - do you know T.M. Scanlon's "What we owe to each other"? It's a Rawls-ian contractualist approach to morality... and very nice.
On the list, like Steve Z. I think I am going to have to have a moan at what this site is costing me in books. But then - think of the value.

But not only do they need to show that the can provide a 'better' theory than Aristotle or McIntyre (before he turned nuts), they would need to show show that there are objective moral values and that there are real alternatives to consequentialism.
Indeed, its back to those lemmata again.

1067. Fleabytes

Comment #142809 by epeeist on March 13, 2008 at 5:45 am

The sky is falling, the sky is falling!

On a second glance - everything seems to be OK (except possibly for those Internet Exploder users).

As you were.

1068. Fleabytes

Comment #142804 by epeeist on March 13, 2008 at 5:39 am

Comment #142801 by clodhopper

I have every confidence that Paula has 5K ready. It just needs poof reading.
I am trying to decide whether this was deliberate or not, especially given the direction of the thread over the last few posts.

1069. Fleabytes

Comment #142800 by epeeist on March 13, 2008 at 5:37 am

Comment #142776 by Incredulous


I'm not quite like that, epeeist. I have gay friends, but will walk away if I see them get affectionate in a lovey dovey way towards each other. I'd rather they kept that hidden from me.
Hmm, my two daughters reacted in the same way (ugh, gross) if they saw my wife and I holding hands, especially in the presence of their school friends (you're embarrassing us, we'll never live it down).

It didn't help that my wife taught at the school that they went to.

1070. Two More Fleas

Comment #142765 by epeeist on March 13, 2008 at 4:55 am

Comment #142681 by Steve Zara


In fact, "flea" is perhaps not the best term. "Remora" may be better. It is a kind of fish that rides on others.
Hmm, yes. I believe I have seen a HTML/CSS menuing system that uses the common name for these as part of its name.

1071. Fleabytes

Comment #142758 by epeeist on March 13, 2008 at 4:51 am

Comment #142743 by Steve Zara

I would even go further, as private beliefs can have public effects. I would like to see even the purely personal beliefs of, say, racists and homophobes challenged.

I must admit to feeling slightly uncomfortable about this.

My age and social background put me in a group that would have had a strong dislike, to put it mildly, of homosexuals.

I still retain a certain discomfort with regard to homosexuality, at about the same level as my discomfort with large hairy spiders. It is completely personal, this is probably the first time I have admitted it in public and as far as I am aware it has not affected my behaviour to particular people I have known to be gay or to the gay community in general (I should note that I used to work at UMIST, which is just across the road from the Manchester gay village).

If it had affected my behaviour then I would accept being challenged on it.

1072. Fleabytes

Comment #142736 by epeeist on March 13, 2008 at 4:09 am

For me the whole thing is fairly dull. I really don't care what theists believe. The only things I really want to do is to remove the automatic deference that they receive and their pontificating without being challenged.

The whole evidence thing only comes into play when they wish to claim, for example, primacy in moral affairs. In which case they need to show why their views are any better than those who take their ethics from Aristotle, Spinoza or McIntyre.

Similarly in matters of education or other public policies.

What consenting adults do or believe in private is none of my concern. "If everybody minded there own business the world would go around faster."

1073. Fleabytes

Comment #142719 by epeeist on March 13, 2008 at 3:44 am

Comment #142716 by ForestMist

epeeist - damn, is coffee a heresy? What is not even liking tea, let alone drinking it then?!
I believe Quetz has said that he approves of all hot drinks, but tea in particular. So it may be a minor heresy. Cartomancer has obviously been punished for drinking so many cold drinks.

1074. Fleabytes

Comment #142710 by epeeist on March 13, 2008 at 3:30 am

Comment #142704 by Diacanu

Strip the bullshit out of christianity, and you may as well have deism or Buddhism.
Oh, you know I had never even thought of that ;-)

(115 to go)

1075. Fleabytes

Comment #142709 by epeeist on March 13, 2008 at 3:27 am

Comment #142702 by ForestMist

LorienRyan - I'm just being grumpy because I don't have any Lindor's here :(
I am indulging in various heresies here - coffee (rather than tea) and Green and Black's 70% Chocolate Coated Butter Biscuits With Ginger (rather than Lindor's).

1076. Fleabytes

Comment #142705 by epeeist on March 13, 2008 at 3:23 am

Comment #142701 by Steve Zara


Soon she will be reaching page 100. Isn't it traditional to get a letter or telegram from a queen on reaching 100? I'll do the honours if required..

If you are the queen, what does that make Cartomancer?

1077. The Salamander's Tale

Comment #142692 by epeeist on March 13, 2008 at 3:04 am

Comment #142688 by Jon_Sociologist


Comment #142091 by clearmind:
You will now note that he has switched threads. I suspect we may not see him back here.

There used to be a poster called "devolved", a YEC. He would drop in, claim to have a proof that there was a global flood and conveniently disappear when given an answer and asked questions in return.

Both Billy Sands and I would spot him and raise the questions that he had failed to give a reply to. He eventually realised that nobody was going to bite and that his lack of replies made him look, at the minimum, foolish. I honestly don't know whether the same technique will work with wooter. However, the only way I intend to engage is to keep asking him to respond to the questions that you raised.

I hope you don't mind me reformatting them by the way, I only did that so that he would have to respond to them point by point.

1078. Fleabytes

Comment #142685 by epeeist on March 13, 2008 at 2:44 am

Comment #142671 by ForestMist

I know I am more of a "lurker" than a poster, but I have to say that I don't see a problem with asking a theist for evidence to prove what they are saying.
Personally I would be more impressed if the theists started applying some kind of evidential testing by themselves.

After all, do they really need a global flood, David slaying Goliath and the rest. Let them strip away the superfluity and come up with a core set of beliefs.

1079. Two More Fleas

Comment #142676 by epeeist on March 13, 2008 at 2:17 am

Comment #142670 by clearthinker


I understand that. But is it really the case that all the atheist books currently being published have nothing to do with the success of TGD?

[snip]

Its good to see RD.net keeping up its usual standards!
Its an interesting question. Why did you have to undermine it with that last sentence?

1080. Two More Fleas

Comment #142666 by epeeist on March 13, 2008 at 1:33 am

Comment #142592 by clearmind


Okay let's prove that "Has anyone provided a proof of God's existence?" is proved.

Wooter - you can't escape the questions that have been put to you simply by moving threads.

On the "Salamanders Tale" thread you were asked a number of questions by Jon_sociologist which I reformatted into
  1. How did god make our sense of smell?
  2. How did god make us able to feel emotion? I want the exact method.
  3. How did god make the chemical receptors in your nose? What evidence can you present to support any answer given? I have given you a basic outline of the biological/physical/chemical processes going on, please do the same.
  4. What exact force do you think god used to shape our DNA? Did he use electromagnetism, gravity, weak nuclear force, or strong nuclear force? What was the mechanism used to generate this force?
  5. Did he use something akin to an electron microscope to move things around? Did he use incredibly tiny tweezers?
  6. Seeing as he's a he: what does an omnipotent immortal god need a penis for?
  7. What goddess is he poking with it if he's the only deity?
  8. What happened to the other gods in the old testament that apparently once existed but don't now (Baal for example)
None of these have you answered. We tried to reduce it further to:

How old do you think the earth is?

You haven't answered that either.

Until you start answering some questions I cannot see any reason for people to engage with you.

1081. Fleabytes

Comment #142415 by epeeist on March 12, 2008 at 12:57 pm

Comment #142394 by al-rawandi


As for the French. They have problems getting anything done with bloated unions and a 35 hour work week (the average American works 50 hours per week). The French (and most of Europe) benefit from the strong American economy.
I have done consultancy in a variety of countries, including both Germany and the USA. Small sample of course and nothing to do with the French.

However, I found the German working practices to be far more efficient than the American ones. I have a friend who is an auditor who concurs. The long hours culture doesn't necessarily mean that you get anything more done than continental Europeans (I don't include the UK in this, we seem to want to be like you).

Oh - and Sarkozy is of course only French by adoption and tends to rather like you.

1082. Beauty ad banned after Christian outcry

Comment #142391 by epeeist on March 12, 2008 at 12:40 pm

Comment #142386 by Gustaf Sjoblom


The sole reason for this would be the t turned into a cross. It directly references a specific religion. If they simply changed it to a normal t I see no trouble with the ad.
So what you are saying is that the use of the cross is crass.

1083. Fleabytes

Comment #142389 by epeeist on March 12, 2008 at 12:37 pm

Comment #142380 by al-rawandi


Well let's be honest here. WWII was IN France, not Ohio. So by that fact alone there is a strong bias in terms of numbers.
MPhil has it about right I think.

Of course they might have come to the aid of Ohio, but first they would have waited two or three years whilst passing on a few second hand destroyers that never worked in exchange for substantial amounts of territory.

1084. Beauty ad banned after Christian outcry

Comment #142377 by epeeist on March 12, 2008 at 12:16 pm

Comment #142369 by DavidJGrossman

Step 1: Create controversial ad
Step 2: Wait for cries of persecution from xians
Step 3: Free publicity!

Obligatory slashdot addition:

4. Profit!

1085. Fleabytes

Comment #142373 by epeeist on March 12, 2008 at 12:12 pm

Comment #142353 by al-rawandi


They have a whiny troll (Sarkozy) for president. They have masterfully surrendered in several major conflicts.
Compare how many people they lost in WWII (both civilian and military) as a percentage of the population compared to those lost by the USA. Get the figures for Europe as well as the global figures. Wikipedia is your friend.

1086. The Salamander's Tale

Comment #142302 by epeeist on March 12, 2008 at 9:30 am

Comment #142290 by Geoff

Wooter, the difference between evolution and abiogenesis has been explained to you several hundred times.

The differences between his conception of just about everything and actual facts have been explained to him several hundred times. He simply doesn't listen, doesn't read auxiliary information, just regurgitates the same drivel over and over and over again. Nor does he ever answer questions, watch.

Wooter - how old do you think the Earth is?

1087. Fleabytes

Comment #142276 by epeeist on March 12, 2008 at 8:47 am

Comment #141711 by Richard Morgan


Outside of writing dots on lines I'm not very imaginative, I'm afraid.

http://music.princeton.edu/~dmitri/

Just the thing for you and this site - music and string theory.

1088. Fleabytes

Comment #142232 by epeeist on March 12, 2008 at 7:07 am

Comment #142228 by al-rawandi


Since Bush's "Abstinence Only" has been played out, teen pregnancy is through the roof, and 1 in 4 teen girls has an STD. Thanks for that George. I am wondering if there is anything he won't fuck up.
You aren't intimating some kind of personal causation for teenage pregnancies and STDs on behalf of your president are you?

1089. Fleabytes

Comment #142216 by epeeist on March 12, 2008 at 6:48 am

Comment #142204 by mlearnedfriend


Also, could you tell me the ten (or five) archaeological discoveries that show the Biblical record to be demonstrably false. That'll give me something to work on.
You aren't going to get this. What you will get is that some elements will have a high degree of verisimilitude since there will be corroborative independent evidence. Other parts will be false, since it will be counter-factual and then there will be material for which, at best, you may be able to assign some kind of fuzzy probability. Assigning truth or falsity to the whole bible isn't going to be possible.

Don't just look at the archeology though - for example it is extremely unlikely that there was a Noachic flood, but it is the science as much as anything that shows this - http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html

1090. Fleabytes

Comment #142178 by epeeist on March 12, 2008 at 5:57 am

Comment #142164 by The Reverend Dark


Once you toss the requirement for evidence to the side you are leaving yourself open to all manner of arse-wipery, from god to fairies, to invisible garage dragons to Bert the Magic Sodding Penguin.

Perhaps an agreement on what has been eliminated by materialism would be a start. But we have been around this one many times too, the Christian might accept that the story of Adam and Eve does not correspond to the facts, but they still want to retain it as "metaphorical" or "symbolic". As Dr. B. says, they want to have their cake and eat it (congratulations to her for getting the aphorism the right way around).

EDIT: Oh and it is Tux the magic penguin

1091. The Salamander's Tale

Comment #142151 by epeeist on March 12, 2008 at 4:39 am

Comment #142144 by Mitchell Gilks

I would suggest that you guys just stop feeding the trolls. Just like cancer, if you ignore it, it will go away...that works right?

As a chew toy this one is of no interest any more, so you are probably right.

Unfortunately they seem to behave like someone with ADD and in the hyperactive phase will surely attempt to find somewhere else that they can post exactly the same nonsense.

1092. Fleabytes

Comment #142011 by epeeist on March 11, 2008 at 3:18 pm

Comment #142008 by robotaholic

I have an apointment with the doctor next week to get antabuse. I am quitting drinking forever hopefully soon
Well you have all my best wishes.

Buddying up with a few people who had also quit was one of the things that helped my brother. A mutual support group that went out and did things together - walking, art galleries, National Trust properties. Anywhere they could get a cup of tea at the end of their outing.

1093. Fleabytes

Comment #142009 by epeeist on March 11, 2008 at 3:13 pm

Comment #142002 by al-rawandi


The best way to quit drinking....

Put the bottle down.
Got to agree with Richard Morgan - it really isn't that easy.

Both my brother and uncle were alcoholics - little self-esteem for various reasons, so they drank. The more they drank the more unpleasant became their personal habits, which meant that fewer people were willing to have anything to do with them (especially since they were likely to try and borrow from you, and if this didn't work they would steal from you). This of course leads to even lower self esteem and a depressing spiral downwards.

My uncle never got out of the spiral, my brother did (though not with the AA, whose god bothering he despised). Unfortunately it was too late to reverse the permanent physical damage.

Don't underestimate the damage that addicts can do both to themselves, their family and friends.

1094. Seven new deadly sins: are you guilty?

Comment #141911 by epeeist on March 11, 2008 at 11:28 am

Comment #141908 by lostpoet


But wait again, "...punishing children for the iniquity of parents...? Pretty clear example of "social injustice!" So it looks like God is going to hell after all.
He's already been, didn't you know? However, he supposedly got out again by his own efforts. However, you have to wonder...

1095. Seven new deadly sins: are you guilty?

Comment #141901 by epeeist on March 11, 2008 at 10:55 am

Comment #141897 by irate_atheist


I must call God a prick more often.

To get to level 9 you have to pray to him and then call him a prick when you are talking to friends and he isn't listening.

1096. Fleabytes

Comment #141900 by epeeist on March 11, 2008 at 10:53 am

Comment #141898 by MPhil


I come across this very often... they simply say something to the effect of ''God' has nothing to do with evidence' or 'God cannot be known, his presence can only be felt'...

Recognise this quotation? "I could not say I believe. I know! I have had the experience of being gripped by something that is stronger than myself, something that people call God"

1097. Fleabytes

Comment #141876 by epeeist on March 11, 2008 at 10:07 am

Comment #141848 by Incredulous


Surely, western education is a childhood long exercise in the type of thinking which emphasises facts, observation, logical and critical thinking.
At its best, yes. Unfortunately we seem to have reverted it being the ability to pass exams and then having sufficient training to fill a job role.

1098. Fleabytes

Comment #141870 by epeeist on March 11, 2008 at 10:01 am

Comment #141852 by hungarianelephant


See, apart from the compartmentalisation problem which kaiserkriss refers to, I think the problem here is with the word "truth".

When scientists use the word, they mean "factually correct".
Have a glance at wikipedia for coherence and correspondence theories of truth. I suspect this might cover what your are getting at.

1099. Fleabytes

Comment #141828 by epeeist on March 11, 2008 at 9:14 am

Comment #141821 by Incredulous


Are we in danger of intellectualising atheism and therefore turning it into a mere tool for sharpening the wits of the well educated?

You seem to be conflating intelligent and well educated. The two aren't necessarily the same.

If we are sticking fingers in the air, my view would be that it is a good education that leads to atheism rather than just intelligence.

1100. Fleabytes

Comment #141823 by epeeist on March 11, 2008 at 9:00 am

Comment #141815 by fides_et_ratio


It's irrational for a recovering alcoholic not to pray.
Could I say that as the nephew of someone who died from alcoholism and the brother of someone else who died from the same affliction I don't find that particularly helpful.

Prayer didn't help my uncle who was a pious Catholic, and the lack of prayer didn't seem to have any effect on my brother who, at best, was a cultural Christian.

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