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Comment #167235 by Diacanu on April 23, 2008 at 6:39 pm
raghu_mani-
Go troll on any message board on any subject on the internet and you'll find people getting riled up at you.
1102. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda
Comment #167231 by Diacanu on April 23, 2008 at 6:32 pm
TTiD-
How do you guys feel about Dawkins pretty much admitting to a creator in the movie, Expelled?
1103. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda
Comment #167227 by Diacanu on April 23, 2008 at 6:23 pm
TTID-
So, you're just here to troll, eh?
So much for your claims of "educating".
1104. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda
Comment #167220 by Diacanu on April 23, 2008 at 6:17 pm
TheTruthID-
Can we safely conclude you're never going to supply positive evidence of ID?
Yes or no?
1105. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda
Comment #167213 by Diacanu on April 23, 2008 at 6:10 pm
TheTruthID-
If all of you equate that the proof of micro-evolution is proof of all evolution
then you are all more uneducated and misinformed then I gave you credit for.
1106. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda
Comment #167207 by Diacanu on April 23, 2008 at 6:05 pm
TheTruthID-
But I am not wrong.
Modification and adaptation is not the same as what you consider to be evolution.
I know you already don't buy the Micro, Macro evolution concept,
but it's fact. Micro-evolution is not the evolution you are defending.
1107. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda
Comment #167198 by Diacanu on April 23, 2008 at 5:56 pm
TheTruthID-
all that was happening was passing on of genes in which the stronger ones able to show resistence were then able to pass on their more resistence genes.
1108. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda
Comment #167193 by Diacanu on April 23, 2008 at 5:47 pm
TheTruthID-
Or did it you see it turn into a frog?
1109. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda
Comment #167185 by Diacanu on April 23, 2008 at 5:40 pm
TheTruthID-
All you have so far, is argument from authority.
And even that's been debunked as selective quote mining.
And you have yet to present any peer reviewed ID papers from any of your sources.
Ah, but that's right, ID doesn't make it through peer review, because of the giant evil atheist conspiracy.
But, there's no evidence for this evil conspiracy, except the paranoid ramblings of some bitter creationists, and a spin-meistered documentary featuring them.
And there's tons of evidence that said makers of the spin-meistered documentary are sharlatains and carnival barkers.
But, you believe it because...you want to.
So, all you have is feelings.
A mountain of evidence for evolution, versus, your feelings.
Hey, you could get points on your side of the scoreboard with one shred of positive evidence for ID.
Go on, punish us, destroy us, bring holy justice down apon or satanic little skulls, pull out that piece of magic evidence.
Come on boy, you can do eet!!
1110. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda
Comment #167171 by Diacanu on April 23, 2008 at 5:27 pm
TheTruthID-
Finding imaginary little dents in evolution is not the way you go about proving ID.
Even if you blew evolution to bits with a dynamite flaw tommorrow, ID would not be the default theory to replace it.
You have all your work cut out for you to prove ID is the default theory, and then glaciers of work to go to attach any partcular religion as the default form of ID.
You know what would save you the mountain of work of tearing down evolution?
Positive proof of ID.
One scrap.
That'd end the debate overnight.
A string of junk DNA that when run on a laptop, makes a hologram from God would be good.
Or, a dinosaur saddle, that'd shake things up.
Such evidence doesn't seem to be forthcoming.
1111. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda
Comment #167164 by Diacanu on April 23, 2008 at 5:17 pm
TheTruthID-
Chipping away at evolution is not positive proof of ID.
Supply positive proof of ID.
Evidence, please.
1112. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda
Comment #167159 by Diacanu on April 23, 2008 at 5:09 pm
TheTruthID-
If what you all have been responding to me with is all you have,
then either you have nothing
or are truly uneducated.
Is this the best evolutionists have to offer? No wonder your THEORY is deep deep trouble.
Hey Steve Zara, where can I read any of your published papers? You stated that you were a so called scientist. I never heard of you. Must not be associated with any highly respected evolution
groups.
1113. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda
Comment #167153 by Diacanu on April 23, 2008 at 5:05 pm
TheTruthID-
Why are you here?
What are your views?
What evidence do you have for them?
1114. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda
Comment #167135 by Diacanu on April 23, 2008 at 4:48 pm
So, let's recap.
Evolution has on its side, mountains of fossils, a readily and massive interlocking family tree of DNA, literal mountains of geological evidence, cellular biology, anatomy, viral and bateriological evidence, etc, etc...
ID has on it's side....whispered suggestions, half mumbled conjectures, snarky melodramatic incredulity, distortion, prevarication, pouted lips, prayer clasped hands, and gallons of bitter tears.
Yeah, I think I know which one I'm going with.
1115. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda
Comment #167121 by Diacanu on April 23, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Steve @ post 783-
Agreed, this is most tedious and unproductive.
Everyone, if you're going to engage this twit at all, pound him with Steve's questions in post 759 until he coughs something substantive up.
Bile and spittle won't do, make him vomit up some actual meat.
1116. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda
Comment #167109 by Diacanu on April 23, 2008 at 4:11 pm
TheTruthID-
You claim I have demonstrated no ideas or views to you
1117. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda
Comment #167097 by Diacanu on April 23, 2008 at 3:57 pm
This this is still going, eh?
TTID- Oh please. More double talk.
1118. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda
Comment #166884 by Diacanu on April 23, 2008 at 1:26 pm
TheTruthID-
Everything to you has to be explained by science,
1119. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda
Comment #166852 by Diacanu on April 23, 2008 at 1:04 pm
TheTruthID-
I never once mentioned the bible or Jesus. My spiritual beliefs have nothing to do with scientific fact.
Science has proven that life is too organized and complex to have been started by chance
1120. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda
Comment #166813 by Diacanu on April 23, 2008 at 12:43 pm
TheTruthID-
More gibberish.
1121. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda
Comment #166791 by Diacanu on April 23, 2008 at 12:34 pm
TheTruthID-
Answer my question in post 589 would you?
Thanks.
1122. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda
Comment #166775 by Diacanu on April 23, 2008 at 12:25 pm
TheTruthID-
but can't even explain the most important question, how life began.
Without this, any theory you can come up with is irrelevant.
It's ludicrous.
1123. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda
Comment #166745 by Diacanu on April 23, 2008 at 12:05 pm
TheTruthID-
Without religion, would I become a baby killer? I'll answer no to that
1124. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda
Comment #166725 by Diacanu on April 23, 2008 at 11:52 am
TheTruthID-
Are you going to answer my question?
1125. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #166695 by Diacanu on April 23, 2008 at 11:39 am
Remnant-
Is that what your pack of fairy tales from your cult indoctrination has led you to deduce?
1126. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda
Comment #166688 by Diacanu on April 23, 2008 at 11:33 am
TheTruthID-
Answer my question first.
Without religion, would you become a baby killer?
1127. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda
Comment #166666 by Diacanu on April 23, 2008 at 11:23 am
TheTruthID-
Diacanu,
Why would I try to harm you? I'm trying to help and educate you.
1128. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda
Comment #166647 by Diacanu on April 23, 2008 at 11:14 am
TheTruthID-
Anything goes.
1129. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #166621 by Diacanu on April 23, 2008 at 10:48 am
I dunno where else to let loose with this rant, but here's another thing about the brainwashed that's irritating the fuck out of me.
There's this new tack that's being taken, and it's implicit to the message of "Expelled", too, that science is evil because it's elitist.
Um, excuse me, but what the fucking fuck is more elitist than a bunch of self elected church motherfuckers deciding all by themselves that humanity is too stupid and evil to be left to its own devices, so they use a book of ancient myth to construct an institution that controls your mind, beats into your head from childhood an ideology of blind obedience, herds you like sheep, and even openly calls you a fucking FLOCK!!!???
1130. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda
Comment #166607 by Diacanu on April 23, 2008 at 10:39 am
*Sigh* They're still hanging on with a white knuckled resolve I see.
Y'know, it's funny, I used to be a deist.
A deist disbelieves in organized religion, and revealed texts, but thinks there may be a designer to the cosmos.
Even as a deist, I knew "intelligent design", was bullshit.
As I deist, I believed that the creation was the revelation, not some crummy old books full of fairy tales, but I thought the pattern, the signature of God in nature was yet to be discovered.
And I knew that pattern/signature was NOT to be found in "intelligent design", because even with my deist mind, I knew "intelligent design", was christianity in a trojan horse.
I can't imagine if I'd swallowed that ID crap to start with.
But, I do know I used to defend my deist stuff with equal tenacity as TruthID is fighting for "intelligent design".
To lose religion, it takes a mind so open, you're willing to hear more and more and more evidence, until the evidence even kills your pet theory you love so much.
TGD wasn't the main ingredient that killed my deism, but it was the final straw.
Fortunately, deism leaves your mind scientifically open for deism itself to be killed by evolutionary evidence.
Christianity, not so much.
That's a tougher road to hoe.
We're talking breaking full blown brainwashing there.
1131. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #166596 by Diacanu on April 23, 2008 at 10:25 am
Remnant-
You believe in a pack of fairy tales, and have been indoctrinatesd into a cult, it's as simple as that.
I'm sure you see all other religions as fake cults, and the only reason you don't see yours as such, is because you're inside the bubble.
Your scripture quoting, and "spreading the good news", looks exactly like Hari Krishnas with flowers, and witch doctors shaking around a dead chicken to us.
It doesn't impress.
It's more a mixture of sad and amused.
1132. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #166582 by Diacanu on April 23, 2008 at 10:13 am
Remnant-
The Bible testifies...
1133. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?
Comment #166151 by Diacanu on April 22, 2008 at 9:12 pm
*Skims ahead to the Lord Winston reply*
Blaise Pascal, whose famous wager...
1134. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #165723 by Diacanu on April 22, 2008 at 6:11 am
Lol, whenever a religite loses their cool, and has a navyjake style meltdown, it all looks like this to me.
"I want my imaginary friend!! I want my imaginary friiieeeend!!! You fucker!! You fucker!! How dare you!!! Stop laughing!!! Respect my imaginary friend this instant, you piece of shit!!! If you don't respect my imaginary friend, he'll die!!! And if he dies, I'll fucking kill you!!!! I need him to live!!! Give him back!!!! Stop laaaugghing you fuuuuck!!!".
And it just makes me laugh harder.
It'll probably be my undoing someday.
God's fanclub take themselves way too fucking seriously.
1135. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda
Comment #165577 by Diacanu on April 21, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Kenneth-
Science cannot find absolute truth.
Science is the educational search for the best description of absolute truth. If humans truly understood gravity (well at all), we would be able to defy it. Instead, we must "brute force" gravity. We use rockets, planes, etc.
Don't make the mistake of believing that our description of gravity now is the best that it will ever be. That is foolish.
1136. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #165401 by Diacanu on April 21, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Frankus1122-
You worry me.
1137. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #165393 by Diacanu on April 21, 2008 at 12:38 pm
navyjake95-
Wow, there was so much blustering prick-waving crap there, I don't know where to start.
So, was that shit a death threat, or what?
And again, I restate the question posed at the end of my last post.
I'm a nerdy atheist, I don't share some of your values, why can't I be left in peace?
Why do people like you have to be so hateful and paranoid, that different people can't even be allowed to exist?
And the Nazi shit, damn, that's so retarded, it doesn't deserve acknowlegment.
There's endless articles and posts here refuting that delusional fallacy.
If you wanna foster that kind of irrational bigotry in the face of all evidence, well, then go fuck off.
With your threats, and your bullshit.
1138. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda
Comment #165380 by Diacanu on April 21, 2008 at 12:23 pm
TheTruthID-
You guys still believe in evolution?
1139. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda
Comment #165373 by Diacanu on April 21, 2008 at 12:08 pm
Teratornis-
Oh, fine, alright.
I just never liked calling it competition I guess.
In my head, there's just the clearly right thing to do, and incompetant idiots who get in the way of it.
Calling it competition...I dunno, gives the other side a validity I never thought they deserved.
I'd rather all the scientists could get on with making new medicines, and inventing faster computers, than having to sully themselves with this religion crap.
But, this is the society we're stuck with for awhile, so...*shrug*...
1140. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #165368 by Diacanu on April 21, 2008 at 11:51 am
navyjake95-
...culture warriors...
1141. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda
Comment #165326 by Diacanu on April 21, 2008 at 10:47 am
Wee Flea-
RD uses this language - he is a hero. I use his language - I am nasty. Go figure!
1142. Ben Stein Vs. Sputtering Atheists
Comment #165065 by Diacanu on April 21, 2008 at 2:27 am
irate_atheist-
Truth and reason will win.
As I said in post 29, lies and hate are ALL they have anymore.
Playing dirty like they are will gain them in the short term, but not in the long term, so long as we just keep breathing, and sticking to our guns, their lies will be exposed, and they'll do something so nasty no one will want to be connected with them.
And dirty is all they've got.
They can't play it sickly sweet, because they aren't victims, and again, they have nothing decent to offer humanity, it's all bullshit.
Dirty won't work, clean won't work.
The ONLY thing that can save them is evidence and logic.
And they don't have it.
They'll never have it.
If it takes a decade or a century, they're finished.
Oh, they have literal tons of money invested in their ugly little con-game, so they're not going to give it up without a nasty ugly fight, and some people will probably get hurt by the thrashing tentacles as it goes over the cliff, but, I firmly believe reason will win.
It has to.
1143. Ben Stein Vs. Sputtering Atheists
Comment #165055 by Diacanu on April 21, 2008 at 2:05 am
Well, just when this shit starts to get me down, I just keep reminding myself...
This is ALL religion has anymore.
This hate, and bile, and lying, and dirty underhandled weaselism and smarm, it's all they've got.
And it's all they're going to have.
Chris Hitchens is right, religion hasn't had anything transcendant and inspiring and uplifting to give humanity in centuries.
You just get this slimy ruthless dirty political shit anymore.
We should find encouragement in that.
It makes them predictable.
And predictable people self destruct.
I mean, really, what else can they do?
What other weapon can they reach for?
They have no logic or reason in their arguments.
What else can they do but get nasty?
This is all religion has, and it dooms their cause.
We just have to play it right.
Let 'em punch themselves out with their own energy like a rope-a-dope.
1144. Ben Stein Vs. Sputtering Atheists
Comment #165052 by Diacanu on April 21, 2008 at 1:54 am
LaTomate-
I say we get someone - a well known comedian, say - involved in making a documentary,
1145. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda
Comment #165048 by Diacanu on April 21, 2008 at 1:42 am
Roland_F-
Please note and respect the edit in post 149, thanks.
1146. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda
Comment #165031 by Diacanu on April 21, 2008 at 12:13 am
Ian-
Beat ya to it.
:P
1147. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda
Comment #165022 by Diacanu on April 20, 2008 at 11:52 pm
EDIT-
Fuck it, I'm not gonna drag it off into a liberal/conservative side argument.
Some other time, perhaps.
This topic is depressing enough without that shit too.
1148. Ben Stein Vs. Sputtering Atheists
Comment #164987 by Diacanu on April 20, 2008 at 11:01 pm
Gay "rights." Abortion "rights."
1149. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda
Comment #164980 by Diacanu on April 20, 2008 at 10:53 pm
Roland_F-
Adam Smith 'invisible hand' is not "libertarian philosophy",
1150. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #164870 by Diacanu on April 20, 2008 at 7:10 pm
Radesq-
We aren't currently able to travel along a time axis -- and I don't know how we could