1201. Debate: Would We Be Better Off Without Religion?

Comment #255933 by Wosret on September 28, 2008 at 3:26 pm

34. Comment #255917 by Bonzai

I'm also undecided on this. I think definitely when it comes to some forms of religion, but become agnostic when it shifts to less obviously harmful forms. I think that Sam Harris is correct to stress that it doesn't matter, it holds not sway over its truth value, but when arguing for religion on its own merits...I'm of the mind that it isn't exactly obviously the case.

If religion were rigidly defined, and the standards by which we were judging outlined, I would be far more decisive about this question, but until then, I'm not quite sure what the case is.

1202. Palin: average isn't good enough

Comment #255926 by Wosret on September 28, 2008 at 3:14 pm

Mononoke is my all time favorite movie. One of the only movies I've ever rewatched. Then Nausicaa, and third is Howl's moving castle.

Yeah, I didn't find Porco Rosso memorable either, it is hard to take a pig-man seriously.

Grave of the Fireflies is not by Miyuzaki Hayao, it's based on a autobiography, and was done by his studio, Studio Ghibli. Though definitely worthy of mention for being a fantastic movie.

Ever see "Tales From Earthsea"? It was written by Miyuzaki's son. It was laughably awful. I am disappointed that writing talent was not hereditary.

If you are wondering what I find funny, well, I really find exaggerated compliments and adoration towards my person hysterical. You could try that.

1203. Palin: average isn't good enough

Comment #255913 by Wosret on September 28, 2008 at 2:53 pm

3260. Comment #255902 by Diacanu

You should take that as a compliment coming from a weirdo like me. In order to jive with my sense of humor you'd have to abandon being funny in the eyes of most everyone else. Besides, it isn't as if I find you unfunny, like Robin Willians... or something. Plus, I like you! (^_-)

I stand corrected about VHD, I thought that I overheard (or read, rather) you telling someone that it was your favorite anime movie. I must be mistaken.

My mind is already quite numb. Though if a list of best anime movies were compiled, and the top, at least three, were not by Miyazaki Hayao, then your opinion will not matter. Anything else will be heresy, and worthy of eternal punishment!

1204. Debate: Would We Be Better Off Without Religion?

Comment #255910 by Wosret on September 28, 2008 at 2:39 pm

I really despise Lennox. He is one of the few theists I really can't stand to listen to. He is an insulting little toad.

1205. Palin: average isn't good enough

Comment #255808 by Wosret on September 28, 2008 at 9:26 am

3241. Comment #255764 by hawt4dawk

I have the super amazing ability to read writing and reuse words and phrases in my own writing. Sometimes even accurately! One of my many talents.

3243. Comment #255799 by TurkishAtheist

Hey...shut up... maybe I just don't want to know where those places are. I know where all the countries that matter are, so that's all I care about. So there.

1206. Palin: average isn't good enough

Comment #255736 by Wosret on September 28, 2008 at 4:55 am

3235. Comment #255730 by Steve Zara

I mean "real discussions" as in discussion about something other than what a prick I am.

No, I guess that bothers me too. I take far more offense to condescension than anything else, probably largely because of how great I think I am.

So, bald insults, don't bother me. Implications that I just have to think of it more, and then I'd agree, both come off to me as condescending and a complete lack of an actual argument.

My mom does that a lot. I went to visit her yesterday, and she told me that she was reading "the secret"... and almost every one of my criticisms were countered with "oh, once you've lived as long as I have", or "you just haven't thought it through enough, you're too closed to it" and things of that nature. That does annoy me.

Though, I've found a new program that helps me get over a lot of stuff. It really works wonders.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_W2IqTK1Eg

1207. Palin: average isn't good enough

Comment #255727 by Wosret on September 28, 2008 at 4:30 am

3204. Comment #255560 by hawt4dawk

I'm only mildly contemptuous to my opponents! So it's cool. Also, if I insult someone, but calling them an idiot, a moron, or so forth, it means I'm done talking to them. At least seriously. Though, that is unnecessary, and should still be avoided...but it feels sooooooo goooooood.


Steve, call me egocentric, but I can't help but feel that you've taken pages out of my play book. With the change in verbal mannerisms, when someone has become hostile, connoting a far less serious tone.

I only get upset in real discussions. I often get annoyed, and frustrated, which increases the sharpness, and all around dickatry of my tone, but when someone is just trying to insult my person, or attack me, I quickly loose any air of seriousness about me. That always lightens my tone. I honestly find it amusing.

As for Diacanu, I find it strange to call him insulting... even though I don't actually find him funny, many people seem to, and it is always obvious that he is trying to be funny, and not being serious. Grow a sense of humor, even if you don't find him funny, at least appreciate that that is what he's going for.

Besides, he uses an anime character for an avatar, (despite saying it was the best anime movie he has ever seen, only showing that he must have watched very few in all) so he must not be that bad of a guy.

I definitely don't see how he could be placed on par with someone who writes long exhaustive threatening and insulting posts to heart poundingly adorable water meerkats!

1208. When Atheists Attack

Comment #255480 by Wosret on September 27, 2008 at 4:53 pm

I thought I'd say, since I'm not sure that I've ever even mentioned my stance on the problem of Islam. I hardly disagree that it is a problem, or even remotely think it is a small one. I hate Islam, with a passion. For the way it treats half the species. The half I like. It disgusts me more than anything, and I would like nothing more than its complete and utter annihilation, obliteration, extirpation, and extinction from the planet. For the emancipated former slaves of this repugnant religion to defecate on any residual remains.

I am however cognizant of our options, and what exactly it would take to bring this, oh-so-exquisite, conceptual orgasm to fruition.

When the whole thing started up about Iraq, and the invasion, the most convincing argument put forward for my support was the prospect of a free and secular Iraq. Hitchens' argument for this I continue to find highly persuasive. I ended up opposing it for the sole reason that I didn't think it could be done. I certainly wish I was wrong, and if I were, I would have supported the next war attempt, with the same goals in mind.

I've become of the opinion that Islam needs a renaissance, they need an enlightenment, and they need their own. Muslims need to fight for this, and they need to want this. It can't be forced upon them.

Other options I think are either too ineffective, too unlikely to work, too brutal, or sacrifice too much.

I may however, be catastrophically wrong.

1209. Catholic maternity wards 'face closure' if abortion law passes

Comment #255463 by Wosret on September 27, 2008 at 3:54 pm

760. Comment #255462 by Bonzai

You're a mathematician, do you agree with/understand what I mean to say?

1210. Catholic maternity wards 'face closure' if abortion law passes

Comment #255461 by Wosret on September 27, 2008 at 3:48 pm

757. Comment #255226 by PERSON

Also, preferences for truth, consistency, accuracy, and axiomatic formulas, are all emotional values judgments. Desire to solve problems, and to find solutions, are also emotional reason to take action.

1211. Catholic maternity wards 'face closure' if abortion law passes

Comment #255459 by Wosret on September 27, 2008 at 3:43 pm

744. Comment #254987 by Sciros

I didn't answer the "direct question" of "why math/logic exist" because I don't find it particularly valid.

But the concepts themselves exist without us

1212. Catholic maternity wards 'face closure' if abortion law passes

Comment #254975 by Wosret on September 26, 2008 at 2:08 pm

739. Comment #254957 by Sciros

Sigh...what is so hard about answering a direct question?

Why do they exist, and what are their goals? I never said that it had anything to do with how it operates, in fact I said that it didn't have anything to do with its operation. It has to do with its foundations, which can be reduced to emotional values.

I don't feel like getting into this anyway. I really don't think I'm saying anything controversial, and I don't feel like dissecting these things to show they have similar foundations.

I think that if you just tried to track them back to as fundamental as you could, and tried to justify why they exist, and their purposes, I don't think that it is possible to deny that they have similar foundations.

1213. Catholic maternity wards 'face closure' if abortion law passes

Comment #254950 by Wosret on September 26, 2008 at 1:32 pm

736. Comment #254947 by Sciros

The world is not an invention, base ten math is. Also, "truth" is subjective and does not exist without subjects. Else who judges the statements truth value?

Why does logic exist? Why does math exist? What are their goals, and why do we want to achieve those goals?

You are not appreciating why math and logic exist, and operate as they do, you are instead taking there operation and saying that they do not include value judgments. This is true, but the reason they operate as they do is because of our goals, and what we want to get out of them, which do include value judgments.

You can also save time by not responding to every second thing I've said by asserting it's wrong.

I'm merely using "calculus" in the sense of a computation, or estimation, so I did not misuse the word.

I just mean using logic with real events in the world, and not with abstract formulas. I'd rather not get into explaining that, I don't want to write a massive post, as I am already losing interest.

That last thing you say, is again, no less true of logic.

1214. Catholic maternity wards 'face closure' if abortion law passes

Comment #254940 by Wosret on September 26, 2008 at 12:46 pm

733. Comment #254937 by Sciros

They are abstract. Like I said. They still have the same foundations. They would not exist without minds. Else who would have thought them up?

I also disagree that they haven't any emotional basis. Why else favor consistency, validity, coherence. Are these not judgments of value? That they are "better" than their antitheses?

Without a value judgment, which are emotional, how can one conclude this?

Also, of course logic is based on the world, unless you are doing completely abstract formulas, but why can't an abstract moral calculus be done in the same vein?

When you use logic and reason in the real world, then physical and emotional stimuli are what prompts your responses, and is what exists in your logical calculations. How is this different than the moral calculus I described?

1215. Catholic maternity wards 'face closure' if abortion law passes

Comment #254924 by Wosret on September 26, 2008 at 12:12 pm

729. Comment #254916 by Sciros

I guess if you reduce it like that, reason itself is merely physical and emotional responses.

This, however is merely a form of reductionism, that I think is confusing foundations for reasoning. The foundations for the reasoning process are emotional and physical. Just as they are for logic, mathematics, and everything else our brain does. I don't think it then follows that they are also the reasons themselves.

Reasons are abstract. I would say anyway.

So, if you want to say that they are emotional and physical, then fine, but I would say no more so than logic.

1216. Catholic maternity wards 'face closure' if abortion law passes

Comment #254908 by Wosret on September 26, 2008 at 11:43 am

726. Comment #254907 by ColdFusionLazarus

Clearly I have been wrong. You have not misunderstood. You have merely decided to avoid my point.

1217. Catholic maternity wards 'face closure' if abortion law passes

Comment #254902 by Wosret on September 26, 2008 at 11:31 am

723. Comment #254899 by Sciros

Simple, if I see you doing something that causes me unhappiness, or displeasure. Say, eating a rough onion (gross), I would not be justified in getting you to stop on this basis alone. I would from there, need to demonstrate that my suffering is greater from this, than yours would be if I forced you to stop, and I would need to demonstrate that a better solution, than making you stop, or witnessing it is not available.

So, the foundation is where the reasoning takes off from, but nothing can be justified on this basis alone. You need to take everything into consideration, and demonstrate the best possible option available.

1218. Catholic maternity wards 'face closure' if abortion law passes

Comment #254897 by Wosret on September 26, 2008 at 11:21 am

710. Comment #254879 by ColdFusionLazarus

Since you're stuck on that. Let me ask you a clear, and simple question:

What do you think would be easier? Pressing a button that kills a million people a few thousand miles away, and you see and hear nothing. Or bashing a five year old girls head in with a steel pipe in an ally? Also, which is more immoral?

1219. Catholic maternity wards 'face closure' if abortion law passes

Comment #254893 by Wosret on September 26, 2008 at 11:19 am

717. Comment #254890 by Bonzai

This is supposing they have the intellectual capacity to cognize such a quandary.

The kind of malformity I'm referring to, this would be unlikely.

I do agree that I think parents should abort malformed fetuses, but I am still not prepared to make it compulsory.

1220. Catholic maternity wards 'face closure' if abortion law passes

Comment #254891 by Wosret on September 26, 2008 at 11:15 am

715. Comment #254886 by Sciros

You've confusing foundation for reasoning.

The foundation is emotional and physical responses, but the conclusions are rationally and evidentially based on them. They are not reasons in themselves.

1221. Catholic maternity wards 'face closure' if abortion law passes

Comment #254885 by Wosret on September 26, 2008 at 11:05 am

705. Comment #254869 by Sciros

Ethics can be formalized, and I think they ought to be. I work on a pain/happiness, suffering/pleasure kind of hedonistic utilitarianism.

Which involves a calculus of pain and suffering, happiness and pleasure, to decide which option maximizes the latter, and limits the former.

theft may not seem obvious, because one could argue that the thief's happiness is relevant in the equation, and it is. Theft by itself, is fair game. There is nothing that automatically suggests that the victim will suffer more from the theft than the thief would from not stealing from the victim. Or that the thief's happiness with the stolen goods would not be greater than the victims if his goods were not stolen, but this is not all that must be considered. One must appreciate all the relevant variables. We must also consider social cohesion, and the importance of trust, respect of ownership, and honesty that a working cohesive society requires. If no one respects these, then it would effect everyone's happiness, increase stress, and make living together far more difficult. So in most cases, theft is wrong, because of the effect it has on social cohesion.

In not all cases it is wrong. Stealing food to survive when you have no other option could be argued to be ethically justified. Stealing from a corrupt, and oppressive rich to feed a surplus of poor is also arguably ethical.

One need not appeal to emotion. Ethics are quite capable of being thought out with reason, if solid goals are in mind, moral calculus can be performed to decide which option most benefits your set goals.

1222. Catholic maternity wards 'face closure' if abortion law passes

Comment #254871 by Wosret on September 26, 2008 at 10:49 am

Yes, I outlined in a previous post that I don't support compulsory abortions for malformed fetuses. I merely support the options being available. To be decided upon by the parents and doctor.

If parents want to raise the malformed fetus, then that is their right, and I wouldn't try to interfere with that.

1223. Catholic maternity wards 'face closure' if abortion law passes

Comment #254862 by Wosret on September 26, 2008 at 10:35 am

697. Comment #254855 by ColdFusionLazarus

If you would prefer to conclude that I just like telling people that they've misunderstand because I'm a malicious asshole, then you are free to conclude that.

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Comment #254859 by Wosret on September 26, 2008 at 10:31 am

698. Comment #254856 by Sciros

Yes. That's right.

Yes, I do often seem to have problems explaining myself. Though, clearly this isn't my fault. I'm perfect.

1225. Catholic maternity wards 'face closure' if abortion law passes

Comment #254847 by Wosret on September 26, 2008 at 10:10 am

695. Comment #254836 by ColdFusionLazarus

To quote Kakashi, as I have in the past "no, you don't get it, that's why I'm telling you, you only think you get it, but that isn't the same as actually getting it. Get it?"

Instead of thinking I'm insulting your intellect, and attacking you, maybe you should consider that maybe you actually don't understand what I'm saying? I find it strange that you would instead think that you do understand, despite me saying otherwise (thus claiming to know my own position better than I do) to think that I'm instead just claiming that you don't because I'm a malicious asshole, and it suits my purposes.

I didn't notice that you had changed it from a knifing to a button pressing. Then I'd have absolutely no trouble pressing that button, no.

Knee-jerk is reaction without thinking. I think that I forwarded my reasoning, clearly I've thought this through, even if I'm wrong, I think it strange to say that I haven't thought it through. Saying "I know you are but what am I" is taking something someone called you, or your position, and then just calling them the same thing. It doesn't always work. No matter if it is quoted from a book or not.

What is a knee-jerk reaction is having a physical reaction to experiential stimuli, and concluding from that, without thinking, and without reasoning, that something is wrong.

My argument against thinking something is ethical or not on a physical reaction to an experience, instead of a reasoned response based on evidence is simply the absurd conclusions that one can come to based on such a criterion. Which I outlined several examples of. Unless you show why those do not apply, then you have not addressed my argument.

Lastly, lighten up, don't take me all that seriously. Don't take things to heart.

1226. World's oldest rocks discovered in Canada

Comment #254827 by Wosret on September 26, 2008 at 9:27 am

Yup, everything cool can be found in Canada. Canada kicks ass. Come for the ancient rocks, stay for the women.

1227. Catholic maternity wards 'face closure' if abortion law passes

Comment #254822 by Wosret on September 26, 2008 at 9:19 am

693. Comment #254818 by Bonzai

But they believe in a god Bonzai, that's irrational!

1228. Catholic maternity wards 'face closure' if abortion law passes

Comment #254814 by Wosret on September 26, 2008 at 9:04 am

I personally couldn't give two shits about "human life" and I don't think I'm the only one who has emphasized this. I care about things that possess at least some level of personage, and can cognize pain, and experience suffering.

I don't give two shits about something all because it is alive, or human. Has to be more than that before I start to care.

1229. Catholic maternity wards 'face closure' if abortion law passes

Comment #254800 by Wosret on September 26, 2008 at 8:26 am

686. Comment #254798 by Bonzai

Awkward... I'd say something clever in response to that, but first I'd need to be clever.

1230. Catholic maternity wards 'face closure' if abortion law passes

Comment #254797 by Wosret on September 26, 2008 at 8:15 am

But he didn't even have the internet until two years ago!

1231. Catholic maternity wards 'face closure' if abortion law passes

Comment #254778 by Wosret on September 26, 2008 at 7:46 am

2972. Comment #250848 by GoatBoy36

It's only a fallacy of composition if the whole is what is being talked about. It is perfectly valid to speak about pieces of the whole if they are separable. Unless it isn't Sharia without the entirety of all of the laws in one form, but instead can be separated into units, then it isn't fallacious to talk about those units.

Also, it then becomes fallacious to infer something about one unit from another, because it is part of the whole (i.e. sharia violates human rights) unless every unit does, this is a generalization.

So, depending on the context either one was using "sharia" in, either one of them could have been wrong. Instead of seeking "got'chas" people should work on understanding exactly what the other person means when they say something.


The next one would take Steve to respond to, but you appear to just be looking for fault in what he says. I wouldn't respond to you either, if you surgically removed numerous posts I made, looking for points to attack me on.

1232. Catholic maternity wards 'face closure' if abortion law passes

Comment #254767 by Wosret on September 26, 2008 at 7:30 am

664. Comment #254764 by Fanusi Khiyal

Puh-leeze! You're so persecuted by Steve. Evil horrid, nasty Steve. Hi-jacking threads so he can talk about what a dick you are.

(*rollseyes*)

1233. Catholic maternity wards 'face closure' if abortion law passes

Comment #254757 by Wosret on September 26, 2008 at 7:18 am

654. Comment #254753 by Fanusi Khiyal

I didn't say that you wanted to join them. I categorized what I thought such methods equaled to.

You accuse me of distortion, but this is your second accusation that is simply false, and anyone can go read my comments and see.

1234. Catholic maternity wards 'face closure' if abortion law passes

Comment #254752 by Wosret on September 26, 2008 at 7:15 am

649. Comment #254744 by ColdFusionLazarus

You clearly didn't understand what I meant by that. When I first said that I wasn't an anarchist I had no clue what you were talking about. I later realized and then clarified. It is still not accurate to call me an anarchist. Look up the word. "Intellectual-anarchist" is just a quick way of saying that you are against totalitarianism. Aren't you against totalitarianism? If you are then you are an anarchist in the same sense that I am.

1235. Catholic maternity wards 'face closure' if abortion law passes

Comment #254750 by Wosret on September 26, 2008 at 7:12 am

648. Comment #254743 by Fanusi Khiyal

You made the argument, is all that I said. Now you are lying. Anyone can go see that you made the argument.

1236. Catholic maternity wards 'face closure' if abortion law passes

Comment #254741 by Wosret on September 26, 2008 at 7:06 am

644. Comment #254738 by Fanusi Khiyal

You said you found it a dark argument that you hoped wasn't true. You still made it, so don't call me a liar.

I heard you idiotic argument against Brandy the first time. I understand it, but I don't give a shit what you think. She isn't hurting anyone, so it isn't a moral issue, and it isn't up to you to moralize based on you one value judgments that have no more validity than hers. You can call what she does "throwing her life away" all you life, but if that is what she wants to do, than your opinion is irrelevant. She doesn't think that it is throwing her life away. So it doesn't matter what you think.

You show me how it is hurting anyone, and I'll agree that it is a moral issue, until then it is just your pontificating based on your own arbitrary value judgments.

1237. Catholic maternity wards 'face closure' if abortion law passes

Comment #254736 by Wosret on September 26, 2008 at 7:00 am

639. Comment #254733 by ColdFusionLazarus

It doesn't matter if you have experienced it or not. If your views are merely knee-jerk reactions to your experience, that you can't defend with reason, then your experience is hardly an argument.

If you can form rational arguments, and give evidence for your position, then first hand experience is superfluous and irrelevant.

If I saw people getting murdered in the street and it didn't bother me, would that be an argument for why it is okay to murder people in the street? Conversely, if I saw someone eating an egg sandwich and it disgusted me, is that a reason to think it is immoral to eat egg sandwiches?

I fail to grasp why your emotional and physical reaction to something should in anyway sway your judgment. Care to explain?

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Comment #254734 by Wosret on September 26, 2008 at 6:54 am

638. Comment #254731 by Brian English

I've met very few of my family on my mothers side. The ones I have met were criminals and drug addicts. I've heard most of the rest are as well.

I have no interest in meeting them, and it's been years since I've seen any of them, and since I know so few of them, I could see a relative in town everyday and I wouldn't know it.

1239. Catholic maternity wards 'face closure' if abortion law passes

Comment #254730 by Wosret on September 26, 2008 at 6:49 am

I have six siblings. So, seven kids in my family in all. I'm the third oldest.

1240. Catholic maternity wards 'face closure' if abortion law passes

Comment #254729 by Wosret on September 26, 2008 at 6:47 am

Oh, that story about the dog was enough to make me think that Brian.

1241. Catholic maternity wards 'face closure' if abortion law passes

Comment #254725 by Wosret on September 26, 2008 at 6:44 am

627. Comment #254712 by Brian English

My grandmother on my mother's side had her first kid at 13, and had 5 before twenty. Thirteen in all. No twins, or triplets or anything.

1242. Catholic maternity wards 'face closure' if abortion law passes

Comment #254679 by Wosret on September 26, 2008 at 5:01 am

614. Comment #254675 by Sargeist

The people I have met who I have known are Catholic have all had views that I find to be utterly deranged.

1243. Catholic maternity wards 'face closure' if abortion law passes

Comment #254670 by Wosret on September 26, 2008 at 4:46 am

I dislike the religious that most interfere in my life, or have the potential to. So evangelicals are at the top for me, being Canadian. Islam next, because the religion sickens me. Catholics maybe third, because they're so big, and are actively against sex education, abortion, and stem cell research.

I'm of course talking about the institutions, not the individuals that profess to subscribe to them.

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Comment #254658 by Wosret on September 26, 2008 at 4:04 am

597. Comment #254655 by Bonzai

As I said earlier, that's not beating them, it's joining them.

It is also is a reversion, as you properly say. That is reverting to the way things were in a horrid time in human history. I wouldn't want to revert back ten years, let alone the five hundred we would have to in order to be where Islam is.

I also think he's wrong that it would foster cohesion. Right-wing views are exclusive, and xenophobic. They only foster the cohesion of small bands because of this. We need inclusive, and accepting views, to band as big, and as many groups as possible against them. Also, have it so silent integration, and acceptance of Muslims can occur with ease, and without incident. Otherwise we will never actually win against anyone, we will merely all turtle into our own packs, and unify, never taking the next steps in social evolution.

(*edited for intelligibility*)

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Comment #254650 by Wosret on September 26, 2008 at 3:49 am

591. Comment #254649 by Bonzai

Oh, I've long concluded that, ever since that thread when he started moralizing at Brandy Spears based on some personally invented metaphysical ideas of "human dignity" that he gets to define and prescribe. I find such a thing a level crazier when forwarded by a naturalist, at least a supernaturalist thinks that it actually exists in some magical way. He must know that it is all in his head, so I don't know how he could justify his moral high horsery, even in principle.

There is no pragmatic difference between a fundamentalist and an atheist if they both hold all of the same insane right-wing views, in my opinion. I'd rather a world full of moderate religious people than right-wing atheists.

1246. Catholic maternity wards 'face closure' if abortion law passes

Comment #254647 by Wosret on September 26, 2008 at 3:40 am

589. Comment #254646 by Bonzai

Actually, he did make that argument to me, in post 551.

I'd rather not beat Islam by taking on most of its most horrible qualities. I won't "join 'em" as it were.

1247. Catholic maternity wards 'face closure' if abortion law passes

Comment #254636 by Wosret on September 26, 2008 at 3:20 am

583. Comment #254632 by Bonzai

I've never understood that reasoning behind only supporting abortion for rape, or incest either. It isn't the fetus's fault. The only possible justification is that it would be forcing the woman to have a child that she doesn't want to have. In which case whether it was rape or not should then be immaterial.

584. Comment #254635 by Steve Zara

I would go further Steve. With today's technology, just about any cell is a potential person. Every time you flog the dolphin you're committing genocide of millions of potential people.

1248. When Atheists Attack

Comment #254614 by Wosret on September 26, 2008 at 2:18 am

1437. Comment #254574 by Titania

What chu talkin' bout? She didn't call him a "tat", she called him a "boob".

It was tit for boob.

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Comment #254606 by Wosret on September 26, 2008 at 2:08 am

541. Comment #254488 by Titania

Well, as I said, I don't agree with Sharon. Believe it or not, I'm not a complete bastard, I'd take full responsibility for my actions. I wouldn't even imply that I wanted her to have an abortion. I think that would be a terrible thing to ask her to do.

That would all be entirely up to her, and I would offer any support that I could. I'll just pray to Darwin every night that that doesn't happen to me.

1250. Catholic maternity wards 'face closure' if abortion law passes

Comment #254601 by Wosret on September 26, 2008 at 2:03 am

551. Comment #254572 by Fanusi Khiyal

Clearly the solution to that problem is also the emancipation of women and the granting of the control over their own reproductive systems.