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1301. US Treaty with Tripoli

Comment #136028 by Quetzalcoatl on February 29, 2008 at 12:31 pm

Steve-

but does personal possession of guns protect against use of guns by criminals?


Probably not. In an area where gun ownership was prevalent, wouldn't a criminal assume that his victims would be armed and therefore make sure he has a gun, the bigger the better?

1302. Fleabytes

Comment #135757 by Quetzalcoatl on February 29, 2008 at 8:54 am

Good grief. It's like wrestling blancmange


Perhaps if two scantily-clad young women were involved, it might be more entertaining?

1303. Fleabytes

Comment #135742 by Quetzalcoatl on February 29, 2008 at 8:45 am

al-rawandi-

you should feel honoured. Last week he left the site in disgust. Today he came back, promising a brief stay. And he's still around. He's gong to bury us with evidence any moment now. You wait and see.

1304. Fleabytes

Comment #135711 by Quetzalcoatl on February 29, 2008 at 8:25 am

Peacebeuponme-

Paula had a dream, that one day she would be the best reviewer of Flea books that there ever was. And now, thanks to hard work, perseverance, and the willingness to wade through page after page of execrable writing, she has achieved it.

1305. Fleabytes

Comment #135700 by Quetzalcoatl on February 29, 2008 at 8:09 am

Steve, all I was saying with these references is that other posters here have vastly outdone Robertson when it comes to abuse. I'm not as brittle as some people have taken me to be. In fact my point is that theists posting here have, if anything, proven less brittle than many of your fellow atheists, if references to Robertson's supposed nastiness are anything to go by!


AD, I disagree. While some posters are certainly more direct than others, few are genuinely nasty.

Robertson may not hurl out-and-out insults, but he is often no less nasty because of that. He specialises in snide insinuations, back-handed insults, misquoting and provocation.

Nobody will deny that he has made good comments in the past (long ago). But these are tainted by his overall attitude, especially for someone who claims to be "saved".

1306. Fleabytes

Comment #135676 by Quetzalcoatl on February 29, 2008 at 7:44 am

Artful_Dodger-

Does parodying Dawkins' conception of humans resulting from natural selection as "meat machines" really constitute "nastiness" as one poster seemed to think?


Was that the comment I reproduced? Are you saying that you DON'T think it's nasty to use the death of a child to make a jibe at atheists by suggesting that we somehow care less thanks to Darwinism?

1307. Fleabytes

Comment #135648 by Quetzalcoatl on February 29, 2008 at 7:17 am

I haven't been paying attention. Has AD admitted that Robertson's comments are nasty yet?

1308. Fleabytes

Comment #135599 by Quetzalcoatl on February 29, 2008 at 6:05 am

Artful_Dodger-

here's an example for you.

Comment #74561 by The Wee Flea on September 29, 2007 at 2:22 pm

I have just got back from hospital where I was visiting a 40 year old woman and her husband who had just had their first child. Got the phone call half an hour ago that the baby had just died. Somehow elephants in fridges seem somewhat trivial. At least for those of us who believe that we are more than 'throwaway survival machines'


That is why people think he's nasty.

1309. Fleabytes

Comment #135583 by Quetzalcoatl on February 29, 2008 at 5:34 am

Steve-

Mr Cynical


Yes?

1310. Fleabytes

Comment #135578 by Quetzalcoatl on February 29, 2008 at 5:29 am

Artful_Dodger-

Relax Quetzalcoatl. I'm off.


- Waves goodbye -

Philip1978-

go for it.

1311. The Salamander's Tale

Comment #135576 by Quetzalcoatl on February 29, 2008 at 5:27 am

RevD-

I've probably said this before. In all sincerity, as always your way with words puts me to shame.

1312. Fleabytes

Comment #135571 by Quetzalcoatl on February 29, 2008 at 5:23 am

Artful_Dodger-

you guys really do get pissed off when someone from that strange "fantasy (for you) world" of belief in God wanders into your unholy huddle. You have shown that you are incapable of engaging with arguments that you disagree with, and go straight for the throat of those who hold them


Can anyone else hear violins playing in the background?

AD- if anything, you have shown yourself to be both incapable of dealing with challenges to your beliefs, and unable to provide any evidence to back up your assertions. Everyone else can call me Mr Cynical if they like, but I strongly suspect that your flouncing off in supposed solidarity with Clearthinker was merely an excuse for you to avoid dealing with the questions that had been put to you.

1313. Fleabytes

Comment #135568 by Quetzalcoatl on February 29, 2008 at 5:19 am

Phasmagigas-

Artful Dodger recommends Answers in Genesis. :)

1314. Fleabytes

Comment #135554 by Quetzalcoatl on February 29, 2008 at 4:57 am

ForestMist-

he was too late to defend Robertson from us evil atheists.

Artful Dodger-

flouncing off in a martyred fashion works SO much better when you DON'T return to the site about a week later. Just a thought.

1315. Fleabytes

Comment #135545 by Quetzalcoatl on February 29, 2008 at 4:44 am

Paula-

just imagine his reaction if his children became atheists.

1316. Fleabytes

Comment #135499 by Quetzalcoatl on February 29, 2008 at 3:39 am

Brian-

THOU SHALT NOT TEST THY GOD.

Anyway- if you want entertainment, check out the "Evidence can't shake your faith if your faith excludes it as evidence" thread. I appear to have found someone there who is just as mad as I am.

1317. Fleabytes

Comment #135495 by Quetzalcoatl on February 29, 2008 at 3:33 am

SG-

I have to agree about the Owl Service, I read it when I was about 8 or 10, and I could barely understand it.

1318. Fleabytes

Comment #135476 by Quetzalcoatl on February 29, 2008 at 2:40 am

Brian-

I have nothing but contempt for such flagrant abuse of the site.

http://philosophicalneuron.blogspot.com/

1319. Fleabytes

Comment #135471 by Quetzalcoatl on February 29, 2008 at 2:31 am

Brian-

you cheeky bugger! :-)

1320. Evidence can't shake your faith if your faith excludes it as evidence

Comment #135450 by Quetzalcoatl on February 29, 2008 at 1:52 am

Epeeist-

do not defile the GOD-GOD by invoking the name of the demon of stupidity known as Wooter. I/we merely consume the snowflakes, we do not design them. They are scrumptious as icecream, and three times as giggle-rific.

Richard Morgan-

Juxta's ass has now regenerated better than ever, and gained super-powers too.

Juxta-

Fellow God/half of the GOD-GOD, the murderous kittens may yet play a part in the ultimate truth. They may aggravate the non-believers by stealing their teaspoons and replacing them with earwig-tea meringues of superior taste. Then I/we can change the non-believers into Intelligently Designed Newts, with three heads each but only one ass between two.

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

1321. Fleabytes

Comment #135437 by Quetzalcoatl on February 29, 2008 at 1:09 am

Morning everyone-

Brian-

Speaking of narcissists. Have I mentioned my blog today?


Why, no. Tell us more, please.

1322. Interview with Richard Dawkins

Comment #135045 by Quetzalcoatl on February 28, 2008 at 1:27 pm

Geoff-

to nest quotes you merely blockquote text that has alreadby been blockquoted, if that makes any sense.

blockquote blockquote TEXT /blockquote /blockquote

PLAYBALL-

welcome to the site.

Geoff's Galadriel quote was a Lord of the Rings reference.

1323. Fleabytes

Comment #135008 by Quetzalcoatl on February 28, 2008 at 12:39 pm

Paula-

in my days as a Pentecostal there was one woman in particular who was an excellent example of this. Every week during prayers she would stand up and literally go into hysterics, screaming and crying and thanking God for "saving" her from being such a wretched sinner.

I was only a teenager at the time, and to my shame it used to annoy me more than anything else. Now I look back and wonder what the effect must have been on her three children.

I absolutely agree with you. We have to counter the notion that the atheist worldview is nihilistic and without hope. If anything, teaching people that they are sinful, loathsome and damned from the moment of conception is far bleaker.

1324. Earth's Final Sunset Predicted

Comment #134988 by Quetzalcoatl on February 28, 2008 at 12:29 pm

Better start packing.

1325. Turkey in radical revision of Islamic texts

Comment #134984 by Quetzalcoatl on February 28, 2008 at 12:27 pm

Excellent. We shall see how well this goes down with the rest of the Islamic world. But even so, this is a very positive step.

1326. Fleabytes

Comment #134966 by Quetzalcoatl on February 28, 2008 at 12:12 pm

Paula-

it seems to me that, if anything, Robertson's notion of "polluted" humanity is infinitely more depressing. I can't imagine what it would be like to be taught from early childhood, that you are flawed, sinful, imperfect, that everything bad that happens is all thanks to humanity. When I attended church I saw people who genuinely seemed to intensely loathe themselves for their "sinful nature". To blame human "sin" for natural disasters is a disgusting way of keeping God from taking the blame.

1327. Evolving Mistakes

Comment #134946 by Quetzalcoatl on February 28, 2008 at 11:19 am

Geoff-

if you like science you should check out the New Scientist website too. That covers a wide range, and is very informative.

1328. Fleabytes

Comment #134945 by Quetzalcoatl on February 28, 2008 at 11:16 am

P Murdock-

perhaps this thread might seem that way to a newcomer. But I'm sure you've read for yourself that many of Robertson's comments are deliberately couched to be provocative and insulting.

Robertson has "contributed" to this site for a while, and has earned the ire of many not through the brilliance of his points, but for his obfuscation and deception. Check out the comments under his previous pseudonym of "Wee Flea" for examples of that.

If you want intelligent chat, all the other threads have that in spades. So does this one, since a lot of it has stemmed from the excellent article by another contributor.

1329. Fleabytes

Comment #134921 by Quetzalcoatl on February 28, 2008 at 10:30 am

Well, looks like I won the game. Hoorah.

Now to address Clearthinker's good points.

Er...

...

1330. Fleabytes

Comment #134872 by Quetzalcoatl on February 28, 2008 at 9:25 am

Anna-

I now have to go have dinner. To stay in the game, I'll raise you an ever-increasing plankton bloom. Coloured red.

1331. Fleabytes

Comment #134870 by Quetzalcoatl on February 28, 2008 at 9:22 am

Steve-

Perhaps we are playing to help illustrate that this site is a clear-thinking oasis, with people discussing matters of science and reason in a way that will impress thousands of readers all around the world


- Puffer fish ricochets off the floor behind him -

Anna-

The Stalinicon will be mine! When you're finished slapping Richard Morgan, I'll raise you a King Crab. :)

1332. Fleabytes

Comment #134862 by Quetzalcoatl on February 28, 2008 at 9:16 am

Annabanana-

not when I hit it with my AntiParthenogenesis Ray! (TM)

What are we even playing for? Is there a prize?

And I'll throw in a puffer fish.

1333. Fleabytes

Comment #134860 by Quetzalcoatl on February 28, 2008 at 9:13 am

Irate_Atheist-

looks like your Flea's made a run for it. Obviously couldn't face my whale in honest competition.

1334. Fleabytes

Comment #134850 by Quetzalcoatl on February 28, 2008 at 9:05 am

Irate, Steveroot, no mythical creatures allowed. Take those figments of your imagination and go. Just go.

Annabanana-

I am impressed by the size of your sleeves. I play my Blue Whale. And contained within its belly- five dolphins and a dude named Jonah.

1335. Fleabytes

Comment #134839 by Quetzalcoatl on February 28, 2008 at 8:58 am

Annabanana-

oh crap, a Narwhal!

Time for a decisive move. I'll raise you a sea lion AND a sperm whale. Beat that!

1336. Fleabytes

Comment #134832 by Quetzalcoatl on February 28, 2008 at 8:47 am

Annabanana-

Don't worry, I'm English and I don't know the game.

I'll see your cuttlefish, and raise you a disgruntled manatee.

1337. Fleabytes

Comment #134820 by Quetzalcoatl on February 28, 2008 at 8:29 am

Annabanana-

I'll see it...let's play...what are we playing again?


I honestly have no idea.

And I'll raise you a Manta Ray.

1338. Fleabytes

Comment #134809 by Quetzalcoatl on February 28, 2008 at 8:22 am

I assume people know why this is such a silly example?


Here's an article on it for those who don't know.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/bombardier.html

1339. Fleabytes

Comment #134796 by Quetzalcoatl on February 28, 2008 at 8:12 am

Annabanana-

I match your bid and throw in my aardvark.

1340. Fleabytes

Comment #134789 by Quetzalcoatl on February 28, 2008 at 8:05 am

Billy-

have you already forgotten? His evidence is the beauty of nature! Just look up at that beautiful sky. Witness the fluffy clouds. See that pigeon racing that falcon. Watch as the falcon gains, preparing to pass it and...oh...never mind.

1341. Fleabytes

Comment #134766 by Quetzalcoatl on February 28, 2008 at 7:34 am

I call Velociraptor.

1342. Fleabytes

Comment #134752 by Quetzalcoatl on February 28, 2008 at 7:08 am

Paul-

DR was just being snide, insinuating that Paula's article was somehow unworthy, or that the webmaster was embarrassed by it. I corrected him by pointing out where it was.

1343. Fleabytes

Comment #134744 by Quetzalcoatl on February 28, 2008 at 6:57 am

Clearthinker-

Yes please do enlighten me. I took it that Lorien was saying that all of the greatest scientific and philosophical minds in history. And given that we are talking about my theistic views as opposed to her atheistic views you will I am sure forgive the misunderstanding (if such there was). Please tell me the differences that make a difference to what Lorien was saying. And let me know what she was trying to say.


Firstly, Lorien Ryan is MALE.

My original comment-

Clearthinker said-

I was responding to the claim that " all of the scienctific and philosophical pursuits of the greatest minds in history" were on the side of atheism." (Lorien 936). Something that is demonstrably false

Lorien's actual comment was-

If you really tried to be an atheist, objectively considering the evidence, and you really think that the notions in your mind are greater evidence that all of the scienctific and philosophical pursuits of the greatest minds in history, well, what can I say, bring on the ad homs


Sigh. Lorien Ryan was NOT saying that the greatest minds in history were atheists. Some of them were, many others were not. This is obvious.

What Lorien was criticising you for was thinking that YOUR notions somehow provide greater evidence than those of the greatest scientific and philosophical thinkers.

(Lorien- apologies for speaking for you. Point it out if I've gone wrong).

1344. The Salamander's Tale

Comment #134667 by Quetzalcoatl on February 28, 2008 at 4:51 am

Steve-

unfortunately the Alpha Centaurian for "This organism is copyright Alpha Centauri Bioinformatics" when translated to English reads as "Goddidit".

1345. Fleabytes

Comment #134664 by Quetzalcoatl on February 28, 2008 at 4:45 am

SG-

I've fixed it now.

1346. Fleabytes

Comment #134653 by Quetzalcoatl on February 28, 2008 at 4:33 am

On the subject of Hell, this horrendously long link might be useful-

CLICK HERE

1347. Evidence can't shake your faith if your faith excludes it as evidence

Comment #134605 by Quetzalcoatl on February 28, 2008 at 3:24 am

Juxtamonkey- (at the risk of sounding smarmy) you are currently my favourite poster on this site!

A furious noodle came to all of those that refused Quetz and Juxta--THE GOD-GOD


And the terror of Kevin Jones was intensified when he gazed upon the furious noodle and saw that it had been torn from the lesser god-ling known as the FSM. And his murderous kittens were stricken by panic and fled, and were drowned within the Sea of Earwig Tea.

And the people witnessed this and did praise the God-God Quetz and Juxta. And those who did not were stricken, and became inexplicably fascinated with the contents of each other's ears. Then fire burst from their ears and consumed them utterly.

And the God-God looked upon this and spake the sacred words: "I/We do love a good barbecue".

1348. Fleabytes

Comment #134595 by Quetzalcoatl on February 28, 2008 at 3:10 am

There are guys over on my blog who believe in the "eternal separation from God" thing for Hell. This baffles me somewhat, as I can't honestly understand how that would be so terrible. What is the difference between that and the way I am now? I don't hear God's voice or feel his presence. Am I not separated from him? If not, in what way am I still joined to him? Strange.

1349. Fleabytes

Comment #134587 by Quetzalcoatl on February 28, 2008 at 2:51 am

Possibly in combination with The Trousers of Time.

1350. Feb 12th: Happy Darwin Day!

Comment #134545 by Quetzalcoatl on February 28, 2008 at 1:13 am

Steve-

Sorry to be pedantic, but not quite. If we found a fossil of a T-Rex looking up at the sky in horror as the meteor approached, thinking the dinosaur equivalent of "oh bugger!", it could not honestly be thought of as transitional.....


I disagree. The T-Rex in question was obviously making the transition to extinction.

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