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1351. Feb 12th: Happy Darwin Day!

Comment #133205 by Diacanu on February 25, 2008 at 8:30 pm

Shmeezer-


Enough with the links.


Too lazy to read?

If you can struggle through the thick beefy tome of immoral violence, rape, mind-melting obscurantism, howling absurdity, and flat out obvious contradictions and bad logic that is the Bible, it shouldn't trouble you to click open a couple little websites.

1352. Feb 12th: Happy Darwin Day!

Comment #133203 by Diacanu on February 25, 2008 at 8:24 pm

Shmeezer-


- especially Goldy and our good Reverend -


WTF am I, chopped liver?!?!

1353. Feb 12th: Happy Darwin Day!

Comment #133183 by Diacanu on February 25, 2008 at 7:01 pm

Shmeezer-


Another leap of faith: God does not exist.


No faith needed at all.

I'll believe if evidence presents itself.
None has.

And extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

God is an extraordinary claim.

Warm and fuzzy feelings when you see a shaft of sunlight piercing a big pretty cloud is not extraordinary evidence.

And theological logic pretzling isn't extraordinary evidence either.

Not only isn't their evidence for any sort of God, but biology, geology, archeology, history, and just plain logic annihilate the Gods of every revealed doctrinal book-based religion right out of the gate.

The best you could argue for is a non-interventionist Deist God.

And there's no evidence for him either.

The only evidence there ever was for the Deist God was the argument from design.

And Darwin destroyed that argument.

1354. Feb 12th: Happy Darwin Day!

Comment #133178 by Diacanu on February 25, 2008 at 6:50 pm

Shmeezer-


Simply to say that creationism is not science is not saying much at all. Why isn't it science?


Because science posits a theory, tests it, and if the data doesn't support it, it either refines the theory and tests again, or abandons the theory, and comes up with another.

Creationism has a theory, one it'll never let go of even in the face of evidence, that of its mythology based creator god, and arranges and distorts the evidence to support it.

1355. Feb 12th: Happy Darwin Day!

Comment #133170 by Diacanu on February 25, 2008 at 6:41 pm

Shmeezers-

Ugh, there's no such thing as a divide between micro/macro evolution.

It's just pseudo-science babble made up as a debate wedge by the creationism side.

Micro-evolution is evolution.
Once you concede micro-evolution, you've taken on the whole thing.

When you get a shitload of microevolutions, you end up with macroevolution.

It's all evolution. There is no divide.
You've been flat out lied to.

And it is no "leap", any more than Newtonian laws of motion and gravity describing both falling apples, and the orbit of the moon.

1356. Church is paying a high price for its celibacy rule

Comment #133165 by Diacanu on February 25, 2008 at 6:33 pm

I thought Augustine introduced all the arguments for pussy being evil, therefore, celibacy.

1357. Add another flea to the list...

Comment #133078 by Diacanu on February 25, 2008 at 3:15 pm

Brian English-


If god wishes us to rape children, then that is right.
.

Plenty of that in the old testament.

I seriously doubt that all of the Midianite girls that were taken as sexual plunder were what we'd consider of age.

1358. The Pagan Christ

Comment #133070 by Diacanu on February 25, 2008 at 3:07 pm

albondigas-


Please, show me where Jesus calls on his followers to perpetrate evil.


Matthew 5:17.

1359. The Pagan Christ

Comment #133055 by Diacanu on February 25, 2008 at 2:49 pm

albondigas-


Or that there exists a spiritual realm and reality that is not governed by the laws of nature.


Um sorry, no.

If a supernatural force acted apon a corpse to revive it, then that force would also be subject to scientific inquiry, and would be classified as part of nature.

You can't have nature, and not-nature.

1360. Add another flea to the list...

Comment #133026 by Diacanu on February 25, 2008 at 2:26 pm

wyattroberts-


Bible obscurantism and theologians is a non sequitur....


Um, I'm afraid not, and your evolution analogy doesn't track.

Evolution isn't an alternative God.
It's an explanation of natural processes.

The Bible is allegedly the word of an infallible God.

If the bible is an obscurantist mess, then either God is fallible, and therefore not God, or humans seriously fucked the Bible up, which is as bad as having no word of God at all.
And then God never saw fit to correct the problem, which would also make him fallible.

1361. Add another flea to the list...

Comment #133014 by Diacanu on February 25, 2008 at 2:11 pm

wyattroberts-


"Look, I read the Bible. It says what it says, and it's up to you to defend it."


Well, that implies the Bible DOESN'T say what it says.

and if it's so obscurantist that armies of theologians need to decipher the tangled mess, then it's not the infallible word of God.

The blue haired old ladies in the pews every sunday aren't sophisticated theologians.
They take this shit at face value.
They're MEANT to.

1362. Add another flea to the list...

Comment #133010 by Diacanu on February 25, 2008 at 2:06 pm

wyattroberts-


I think Professor Dawkins is vulnerable in some of the arguments he makes.


And yet you haven't even read The God Delusion.

Where did you hear any of his arguments then?

Did a minister or someone quote mine a paragraph here and there, and then kick down a straw man version of the argument?

1363. Add another flea to the list...

Comment #132991 by Diacanu on February 25, 2008 at 1:52 pm

Paula Kirby-


I think atheists should read at least one or two of the flea books,


I read "The Force Of Star Wars", which was a christian apologetic response to the mytholgy in Star Wars that came out at the same time as SW.

I guess they were scared some kids might embrace Jedi-ism or something.

Anyhoo, that book had all the apolgetics crap I ever wanted to hear.

Can I count that SW flea as course credit?

1364. Add another flea to the list...

Comment #132987 by Diacanu on February 25, 2008 at 1:44 pm

Steve Zara-


This is the best the various religious estabilishments and passionate believers can do?


Not only that, but their need to churn out the same drivel again, and again, and again kind of indicates a shaking of the faith in itself.

What, their God can't protect them from the nasty little atheists?

Hell, we're not gonna hurt 'em, it's just IDEAS they're scared of!!

It's that kind of sad that comes back around the dial to funny.

1365. Add another flea to the list...

Comment #132926 by Diacanu on February 25, 2008 at 12:10 pm

here's another one, Josh.

http://www.amazon.com/Chance-Purpose-Creation-Evolution-Rational/dp/1586172123

It doesn't have a flea title, but the author was prattling about it last night on C-Span, and it was very clear its sole reason for existing was because of the "new atheism".

Standard arguments.

Argument from transcendent beauty, trying to shoehorn in vitalism with no logic but warm and tingly feelings, making the leap from deism to dogma with no connecting dots.

Oh, but this one was new, they made the argument for "non-inteventionist divine action".

Wow!

The bullshit is right up front in the phrase!

Godly actions that aren't intervention!

Actions that aren't actions at all!

A God that does nothing!

God is so great, he doesn't even have to exist!

Neat trick there, David Blain can't do that shit!

1366. Fleabytes

Comment #132913 by Diacanu on February 25, 2008 at 11:54 am

Clearthinker-

I do. And so do you, or you would not be so emotive about it.


That's the best you've got?

No logical argument for why YOU need the universe to revolve around you for life to matter?

You've really never had to defend your BS against someone with an actual mind, have you?


If I am so irrelevant why bother responding?


I'm Simon Cowell telling you you can't sing.

I don't want to hear your caterwauling anymore, and I don't want some other poor unfortunate auditioner to have to hear it either.

You can't sing.
Quit.
Get a real job.
While you still have some years left to make your life actually mean something.

Oh, and fuck you for throwing the manipulative "I was giving false solace to yet another dying guy", ploy.
Guilt trips are for catholics.
You won't find any here.

1367. Evidence can't shake your faith if your faith excludes it as evidence

Comment #132445 by Diacanu on February 24, 2008 at 6:53 pm

Badger3k-

Ah, another bullshitter for Jesus.

Jeez, it's like these hacks spew out of an assembly line.

And it's all the same bullshit.

(Gym teacher from Simpsons)
Bombardment!! Bombardment!! Bombardment!!

1368. Evidence can't shake your faith if your faith excludes it as evidence

Comment #132433 by Diacanu on February 24, 2008 at 6:38 pm

Cartomancer-

I don't indulge the "saint", thing, actually.

When you look at the requirement for sainthood, it's pretty much being a fanatical wackaloon.

So, for regular religious nut, I use "fanatic", and for sainted fanatic, I use "extra-crispy fanatic".

Or "buffalo spice fanatic", whatever suits my mood at the moment.

1369. Evidence can't shake your faith if your faith excludes it as evidence

Comment #132429 by Diacanu on February 24, 2008 at 6:35 pm

If an angel appeared to me, I'd try to capture him.

If I could, then he's a shoddy fucking angel.

1370. Fleabytes

Comment #132425 by Diacanu on February 24, 2008 at 6:28 pm

Thanks fellas.
:)

Wonder if any of it'll soak into David's head, or if he'll just throw up an ink cloud of BS and make a hasty retreat.

1371. Evidence can't shake your faith if your faith excludes it as evidence

Comment #132423 by Diacanu on February 24, 2008 at 6:24 pm

Cartomancer-

I smell the cloacal whiff of postmodernist claptrap here...


D'oh! Totally stole that right out of my head!!

1372. Fleabytes

Comment #132410 by Diacanu on February 24, 2008 at 6:05 pm

...sorry, woke up this morning with that rant fully formed in my head, then had to go to a birthday party, eat supper, poop, etc, and thus I've been nursing it for awhile.

...what, that only happens to me?

1373. Fleabytes

Comment #132404 by Diacanu on February 24, 2008 at 5:58 pm

I watched that pathetic Youtube video of David Robertson talking about The God Delusion, and The Dawkins Letters again, and I chuckled at the part where he says it "scared him".

Of course, he goes on to ramble that "calling religion a virus", could lead to Stalinist/Nazi purges, and blah, blah, eyeroll, yawn...

I'll tell you what you're really afraid of, David.

A world where no one validates your bullshit anymore.

A world where you're all alone in the night, having tea parties with your imaginary friend all by yourself.

A world where you can't shore up your pathetic self esteem by salving people's emotional wounds with the ointment of false promises.

A world where the jig is up for your racket, and you have to get a real job in the service industry somewhere.

A world where no one considers you special.

A world where to be special, you have to rely on real talent, and intellect, and imagination, and personality, and not that you found a sweet load of suckers to shovel superstition to.

That's what scares you.

Well, I'm not here to be a nice guy, and cushion and alleviate that fear.
Sup on that fear, buddy.
Drink it down your little gullet.
Cold on ice.

Because, the reason these atheist books are selling so well, why so much anti-religion sentiment is buzzing about in the zeitgeist, is the same reason why the two party system is in shambles.

These social institutions you cling to?

THEY'RE NO LONGER RELEVANT!!!!!!!!

They're not.
Sorry.

People are fed up.
It's time for a new philosophy.
It's time to hit the reset button.

And it's our fucking right to hit the reset button, because we're the children of starstuff, and quite possibly the highest order of intelligence in the universe.
We are the universe examining itself.
We can shift gears any time we want.

And hopefully we are.
Hopefully, we've evolved as a society where we can abandon childhood superstition, and go to the next step.

And don't worry, there will be no purges, no concentration camps, no cafe bombings.

It'll just be you, shivering under your bed, afraid that's what's going to happen, and wanting people to join you under there, waiting for Jesus to smote vengeance.

And while you quake in your hidey hole, we'll just be leaving you behind.

Alone.
With your obsolete beliefs.
Behind the evolution bell curve.

Not exterminated, not segregated, just irrelevant.

Where you deserved to be in the first place.
Not because of any nazi shit about your genes, but because of choices you deliberately made as a grown man to exploit the ignorant and afraid.
Yes, you should be afraid of that.
Suck that fear down.
It's yours.
You earned it.
Own it.
Bye.

1374. Fleabytes

Comment #132036 by Diacanu on February 24, 2008 at 1:31 am

Steve Zara-


"lots of people seem to think there is a God, therefore My God exists".


A lie everyone agrees on becomes the truth!!

Okay, everyone, work with me here, I have a million dollars, and an 18 inch pecker.

Beleeiiive!! Beleeeiiive!! Beleeeive!!!

Mind into matter!! Mind into matter!!
Beleeeee-hee-hee-heeve!!

1375. Feb 12th: Happy Darwin Day!

Comment #132012 by Diacanu on February 23, 2008 at 10:48 pm

wooter-


Evolution is losing it now.


Well, when (not if) you finally blow your dick off with a firecracker, and thus don't breed, evolution will have won, and humanity will breathe a sigh of relief.

1376. The coming religious peace

Comment #132009 by Diacanu on February 23, 2008 at 10:16 pm

"My country is the world, and my religion is to do good"
-Thomas Paine.

..would be snappy.

Kicks dogma, and nationalism in the dick at the same time.

1377. Feb 12th: Happy Darwin Day!

Comment #132003 by Diacanu on February 23, 2008 at 9:34 pm

Go piss up a rope.
*Finger*

1378. The coming religious peace

Comment #132000 by Diacanu on February 23, 2008 at 9:22 pm

asupcd-

We need to figure out how to market atheistic belief systems better


That's the trouble, christian candyfloss promises boil down to retarded little bumper sticker phrases easier.

What would be the atheist version of "Jesus saves", or "what would Jesus do?"?

I can't come up with any that aren't snarky attacks on the religion catchphrases, and those seem to make the wittle childrens cry.

1379. Fleabytes

Comment #131996 by Diacanu on February 23, 2008 at 8:44 pm

I can't help it, I gotta shred that shit...


Freedom from the depressing view that the universe is cold and meaningless...


Yeah, it fucking is, but WHO CARES??
Why does the fucking universe have to care about you??
Love your family, enjoy food, enjoy sex, watch some movies, read some books.
What kind of ego do you have to have, that you need the universe to fucking focus on you??
What kind of sick mind works this way??
Grow the fuck up.

1380. Fleabytes

Comment #131994 by Diacanu on February 23, 2008 at 8:25 pm

Fedler & Adonais-

Heroic efforts, but he'll just plug his ears and go "la la laa!!".

S'why I told him not to talk to me.

Why bother with someone who'll tune out your best arguments, and use your frustration as petty ammunition??

1381. Are the 'New Atheists' avoiding the 'real arguments'?

Comment #131980 by Diacanu on February 23, 2008 at 6:18 pm

(Continuing my train of thought from post 281..)

..or, I could be wrong.

Shrommer could be legitimately feeling his way through the dark tunnel toward the light.

His repeated ignoring of certain arguments gives me doubt, but who knows??

1382. Are the 'New Atheists' avoiding the 'real arguments'?

Comment #131976 by Diacanu on February 23, 2008 at 6:01 pm

Radesq-


Thanks, but what I meant was are there religious reasons or something like that.


Not a goddamned one.

Scoured the Skeptics Annotated Bible in the sex and women categories, nothing.

God says so, the end.

1383. Are the 'New Atheists' avoiding the 'real arguments'?

Comment #131975 by Diacanu on February 23, 2008 at 5:58 pm

Goldy-


Shrommer knows his views are backward and abhorrent


It's deeper and sadder than that IMHO.

See, all of you ex-christian atheists here, you ended up here, because you had questioning minds that lead you to the truth.
You're enlightenment junkies.
We all are, ex-christian, or never-christian alike.

People like Shrommer, they simply DO. NOT. WANT. our fucking enlightenment.
Want no part of it.
They WANT easy answers from a magic book, and that's that.
They don't have to be true.
Deep down in the core of their subconscious, they probably know it's not.
But it's easy.
The hard work is all done for you.
Bible says.
End of argument.
End of quest.
No pesky Googling, no pesky navel gazing, no pesky credit bills to Amazon.
Bible says.
Yay.

I can almost understand the mindset.
Except, the only magic books I ever wanted were a Jedi holocron, the real Hitchiker's Guide To The Galaxy, or a PADD with blueprints for a working warp drive.

I suppose a book from the creator of the universe would be lovely, but even as a child, I suspected the real deal would be fucking splendiferous, not a bunch of boring badly written tales of ugly sordid turf wars, and brutal jealous sex-capades of petty hateful tribal chieftains.

Closest thing to the sort of book I'd accept as a bible was God Emperor Of Dune.
Now that kicked ass.

1384. Are the 'New Atheists' avoiding the 'real arguments'?

Comment #131972 by Diacanu on February 23, 2008 at 5:44 pm

Radesq-

Why is sex without marriage a sin?


Because women were chattle, and miles on the meter hurt her resale value.

1385. Fleabytes

Comment #131968 by Diacanu on February 23, 2008 at 5:36 pm

Paula kirby-


For anyone who's interested: David Robertson on YouTube, talking about The God Delusion and his book, The Dawkins Letters.


I'm reminded of George Carlin's bit on how when you're stuck in traffic behind a slow asshole, you feel compelled to hang beside him for a bit as you finally pass him just so you can see what he looks like, and when you do, you're like "he looks exactly like I fucking thought he would!!! Constipated!!!!!".

Yep, DR is just a con-man defending his racket.

Tom Paine had 'em pegged 200 years ago.

1386. Fleabytes

Comment #131664 by Diacanu on February 23, 2008 at 1:04 am

Clearthinker-

Don't ever speak to me again.

Understand?

Thanks.

1387. Are the 'New Atheists' avoiding the 'real arguments'?

Comment #131647 by Diacanu on February 22, 2008 at 9:28 pm

We've kicked the "historical evidence", point down several times, but he just doesn't want to acknowledge it.

How the hell do you tell people things they don't want to accept?

1388. Are the 'New Atheists' avoiding the 'real arguments'?

Comment #131643 by Diacanu on February 22, 2008 at 8:49 pm

Shrommer-


It is only by His mercy that we are not all likewise consumed.


Passive aggression then, eh?

1389. Are the 'New Atheists' avoiding the 'real arguments'?

Comment #131638 by Diacanu on February 22, 2008 at 8:37 pm

Shrommer-


God loves and accepts homosexuals and does not discriminate against anyone.


Except for the ones he burns, drowns with floods, besets with plagues, besets with plagues just to prove a point to the devil, or turns into a pillar of salt just for looking the wrong way.

1390. Fleabytes

Comment #131626 by Diacanu on February 22, 2008 at 6:52 pm

SRWB-

*Sigh* you're right.

Let the ugly little fascist hang himself with his own words.

I'll try to lighten up and laugh him off.

1391. Fleabytes

Comment #131623 by Diacanu on February 22, 2008 at 6:18 pm

SRWB-


Now we all know that some of the regular posters on this site, myself included, can be quite heated and insulting, with any variation of expletives and insults being used in most original and constructive ways. Some have been downright rude, sometimes disgustingly so.


Well, at least none of us has ever said to another that if one of our loved ones lost a child, we wouldn't care, because we're all, including the baby, just disposable compost.

I find that more repulsive than a trillion fucks strung together, and repeatedly wrapped around the earth.

Hell, I find it more repulsive than scat porn.
I mean, that shit is vile, but at least in the end, it's consenting adults, no one dies, and they shower off after.

1392. Feb 12th: Happy Darwin Day!

Comment #131614 by Diacanu on February 22, 2008 at 5:44 pm

wooter-


The big frog is asking big questions?
1.Why was not evolved? What is wrong with me?
2.Why was I the same as the living ones today?


We could explain it, but well, no nice way to say it, you really would be too stupid to understand.

You've had evolution explained til people were blue in the face, and you still keep going back to the same old creationist drivel as if no one said anything.

So, pick up your anti-education hump, and go piss off.
You're not here to learn, you're just a troll.

1393. Fleabytes

Comment #131568 by Diacanu on February 22, 2008 at 3:23 pm

kaiserkriss-

Don't mean I can't at least throw in my two cents.
*Shrug*

1394. Fleabytes

Comment #131552 by Diacanu on February 22, 2008 at 2:42 pm

Oh, and unlike some, I don't even have morbid rubbernecking curiosity about what DR has to say.

We all know it's going to be slippery bullshit at best, and disgustingly insulting at worst, and all wrapped in cartoonish martyrdom.

Listening to it would be like going through the motions in Groundhog Day.

And then from there, it's going to be the response the the review, the response to the response, the response to the response to the response, and DR gets to shovel more of his bullshit and bile, and the thread is just going to decay into a morass like i've seen a thousand times on other boards.

He doesn't deserve the attention, fuck him.

1395. Fleabytes

Comment #131550 by Diacanu on February 22, 2008 at 2:37 pm

Richard Morgan-

Here, here!!

1396. Over half of Britons claim no religion

Comment #131537 by Diacanu on February 22, 2008 at 2:08 pm

the great teapot-

Oh, you hadn't heard that?
Yeah, one of the things we've learned from chimps and gorillas that use sign language, is they love poo humor.
Seriously.

Poo, flatulence, toilets, they're like little kids.

1397. Over half of Britons claim no religion

Comment #131529 by Diacanu on February 22, 2008 at 1:59 pm

the great teapot-

Um...scatological onomatopoeia is english.

I know they're big dictionary words, but you got Google at your fingertips....

1398. Over half of Britons claim no religion

Comment #131519 by Diacanu on February 22, 2008 at 1:49 pm

Yeah, that's right, gas humor.
Humor so low, zoo monkeys love it.
I went there.
USA!! USA!! USA!!

1399. Fleabytes

Comment #131515 by Diacanu on February 22, 2008 at 1:44 pm

al-rawandi-


No American guy goes to the bathroom with another guy.


You forgot Senator Craig!!

*Badump ching!!*

1400. Over half of Britons claim no religion

Comment #131513 by Diacanu on February 22, 2008 at 1:42 pm

Steve Zara-

You forgot the scatological onomatopoeia!!

Here, lemme fix that for ya...


"Species level selection is a major force in evolution"

*BROOOMMPPT!!!*

Yeah! That felt good!

*BREEOOOMPPT!!*

Whoa, did you see the elephant run under my chair?

*SNAPPPT!!*

Ow!!!

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