1401. Sexpelled: No Intercourse Allowed

Comment #163294 by al-rawandi on April 18, 2008 at 6:38 am

Clearmind,



I can speak Latin too....


Copius and Pastus

1402. Sexpelled: No Intercourse Allowed

Comment #163288 by al-rawandi on April 18, 2008 at 6:33 am

Clearmins Sez:

You can understand my comments by reading Garfield.

1403. Victims: Pope Benedict Protects Accused Pedophile Bishops

Comment #162824 by al-rawandi on April 17, 2008 at 2:08 pm

Steve,

If they seriously want to get laid, there are ways.

1404. Victims: Pope Benedict Protects Accused Pedophile Bishops

Comment #162810 by al-rawandi on April 17, 2008 at 1:45 pm

Steve,






I figured that, when people are brought up in a restrictive, "your lifestyle is wrong" environment, they may try to seek out a lifestyle that fits these notions of shame.

I think the number of gay priests is due to their competing feelings. For instance, they are taught homosexuality is wrong, yet they have the feelings. So These people seek out a lifestyle where they can repress their sexual desires while being dedicated to their faith.

The priesthood has a tendency to attract people that don't fit the sexual "norm" of the society around them. For right or for wrong.

1405. Victims: Pope Benedict Protects Accused Pedophile Bishops

Comment #162798 by al-rawandi on April 17, 2008 at 1:26 pm

Steve,





Why do you think priests seek out children? Or why do you think that the priesthood would attract a child molester?

1406. Yoko Ono, Filmmakers Caught in 'Expelled' Flap

Comment #162791 by al-rawandi on April 17, 2008 at 1:18 pm

A,






If someone told you "unicorns exist, I am sure".


What do you have to say them other than..."fucktard".


I mean, some positions are so fundamentally rdiculous that there is nothing to say, except... Fucktard.

1407. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #162787 by al-rawandi on April 17, 2008 at 1:04 pm

MPhil,




For the record I knew it was ventromedial pre-frontal cortex, but I didn't know that anyone would know the difference. So I used general terms.

I need to be more specific in the future. Like I am with the names of US Navy warships.

1408. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #162777 by al-rawandi on April 17, 2008 at 12:45 pm

MPhil,

Thus I hope you will forgive me for not going there again - someone whose presupposition is that the Bible is correct is not open to evidence - and would not be able to admit to being wrong even if he was. So there's no point.

1409. Evolution fray attracts top scientist

Comment #162769 by al-rawandi on April 17, 2008 at 12:35 pm

Ramzi,




Correction....


It wasn't Pat Robertson's. It was Jerry Fallwell's "Liberty University". Same difference, equally crazy.

1410. Evolution fray attracts top scientist

Comment #162766 by al-rawandi on April 17, 2008 at 12:28 pm

Ramzi,




I am sure they teach evolution at that school....... Or not.


I had heard the same thing about the Bush administration. Scary thought.

1411. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #162764 by al-rawandi on April 17, 2008 at 12:27 pm

Frankus,



I believe you are correct. There have been several famous brain injury cases where people have had their personalities grossly altered due to this.

One guy got a railroad spike through the pre-frontal cortex and became a super ass hole. Doctors can predict the sort of change damage will cause based on the location of the damage.

1412. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #162751 by al-rawandi on April 17, 2008 at 11:54 am

Geoff,




I win the "Pedant Award" for 4-17-2008.


I am an expert in Nameology.

1413. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #162743 by al-rawandi on April 17, 2008 at 11:45 am

Mesomodel,




Kiwis are quite clean. And thus dogmatically more appropriate.

And even if it is confused with shoe polish, there is a litte harm as I believe shoe polished is worshipped in parts of the Indian Subcontinent.

1414. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #162736 by al-rawandi on April 17, 2008 at 11:31 am

Steve,




Quite true. People don't tend to care about my interstellar donkeys. And indeed penguins are much cuter. The cutest of flightless birds, next of course to my dearest... Kiwi bird.


So I could compromise and say all morality is absolute and defined in the essence of the Kiwi bird.

1415. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #162734 by al-rawandi on April 17, 2008 at 11:25 am

Geoff,




The USS Missouri is a battleship (not an aircraft carrier). Battleships take state names. Aircraft carriers take personal names (presidents like, Kennedy, Ronald Reagan, Eisenhower, or admirals... Nimitz, or the one exception Enterprise).


Nuclear missile subs get state names. Attack subs city names.

Furthermore, the USS Missouri was decomissioned some time ago.

1416. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #162728 by al-rawandi on April 17, 2008 at 11:12 am

Steve,



The Laws of logic are self defined in the being of the Interstellar Masturbator Donkey, who created all things on earth.


That is the same thing, except I inserted the self gratifying pack animals in place of god. These two have roughly the same meaning in terms of reality. To say something like Logic is self defined in a literary and self contradictory being is rather pointless and is really designed t make the speaker feel better.



(Look I am being nice to the theists!)

1417. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #162724 by al-rawandi on April 17, 2008 at 11:05 am

thisisme,




Since MPhil is gone, I will take a crack at you post.


As for the "necessity of God", Kant also wrote a book called "The Sole Possible Proof for the Existence of God." It was based on the "necessity argument, and was a general discussion of the grounding of necessity in our reality. Which may contradict many common notions of God as being outside of time etc...

You simply can't use the term 'Logic' in the same paragraph as "God revealed in the Bible". MPhil has already shown that logic would render God an impossibility by two principles:


1) Ex Falso Sequiter Quodlibet

2) Reductio ad Absurdum


This is not to mention the law of the excluded middle, which is absolutely paramount in determining the nature and existence of a "deity".


I think you make some interesting points in the middle of the post, and I am rather impressed, you are simply the most articulate theist I have seen here in my tenure here.

However asking MPhil for evidence as regards the falseness of the Bible is not the appropriate thing to do. The appropriate thing to do is to provide evidence for why it is true... beyond some semi-accurate historical commentary, sprinkled among demonstrably false histoy, science, and logic. For instance, the miracle stories of Jesus are the most common evidence adduced, and something I have pondered at great length.

The issue becomes that the fervor with which Christians assert the miracles as fact, and the credence they give those witnesses is matched by Muslim claims that Muhammad split the moon in two and brought rain at al-Hijr. So if you take the evidence as eye witnesses as legitimate, then you must logically become a Muslim, since this faith includes Jesus as a Prophet, and does not deny his miracles. Then you would have to become a Baha'i because they too claime prophetic miracles in the context of "progressive revelation", and they in turn include Islam and Christianity as legitimate faith systems.

So to discredit Muslim miracles with equal "supporting evidence" while believing in Jesus' miracles is to stretch yourself beyond the reasonable.

So in summary the issue with morals is as follows for me (although I don't speak for any other Atheist).... I want to live in an orderly and productive society. To do this all people must adhere to rules. These rules should be decided upon by consensus, and violators should be prosecuted. I too must make a contribution to this society which I desire to be reality in order to assist in its realization. I must take as maxims only what I would wish to be universla maxims, and I cannot do such an act which I would not will to be a universal maxim.

There is a clear demonstration of this in evolution. Cooperative humans were favored by natural selection. And humans are far more cooperative, both socially and in child rearing than all the other primates. Thus we can see that religion is not a basis for morality, but a primitive intellectualization of the evolutionary imperative selected into our genes. We can now rationalize our morality far better than we could in the Iron Age. Yet people still cling to the Iron Age religion because they cannot comprehend the obvious about universal morals in the evolutionary sense.

1418. Yoko Ono, Filmmakers Caught in 'Expelled' Flap

Comment #162713 by al-rawandi on April 17, 2008 at 10:37 am

epeeist,





I don't think Expelled qualifies as "Intellectual Property".

I think the "Intellectual" should be dropped. It is more like the broken lawn mower in your garage, the one you wished you were rid of, yet don't have the energy to take to the dump.

I view Expelled like trash. Once you put it on the curb, it's anybody's grab.

1419. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #162712 by al-rawandi on April 17, 2008 at 10:32 am

gr8hands,




You knew the exact episode. I am impressed.

1420. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #162711 by al-rawandi on April 17, 2008 at 10:29 am

Vaal, SRWB,




The fundamental issue with love, which I struggle with during evalutations of my current emotions for people, is that is an axiom of certainty in terms of definition perhaps. People seem to believe that there is a ubiquitous emotion that anyone can experience.

Not so. It is probably, much more subjective and relative than say anger or fear. Hate may be equally subjective, however an opposite, although an equally strong attachment.

I can't imagine my concept or experience of love can be identical to anyone else's. In fact for me, it may well be a much less strong emotion, since I do not maintain attachments to others very well. Even in my brief discussion with Cartomancer, I got the impression his experience of the emotion attached him to a person in a way I would never be attached to another human... Can we call both forms of our attachments love? That would seem to be an axiom of certainty, and one I couldn't endorse.

1421. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #162678 by al-rawandi on April 17, 2008 at 8:08 am

Bonzai,




Don't forget what Ike Turner said:


"Shut up bitch... *smack*.....I'm sorry, Ike loves ya baby".

1422. Hitchens vs. Hitchens

Comment #162651 by al-rawandi on April 17, 2008 at 7:06 am

ofir,




Actually I think quite the opposite.

It isn't a matter of opinion. You said that the military consensus agreed with you. Then this same military establishment signed off on the exact converse as a peace treaty. There is something amiss. You may call this an difference in opinion I do not.


As long as Israelis force women to give birth at checkpoints, and watch as the baby dies, I will continue to call this disgusting brand of racism precisely what it is. Your Biblical partisanship, weakly passed off as atheism, won't help you.

As for one sided propaganda, you can click on my comment box and see my comments. The last thing a rational person would think is that I am one sided. I will call anything I feel is wrong, wrong. I spread it around fairly. You are just twisted because it is Israel's turn. Zionists are all for human rights and decency, excpet when there is a mirror.

I am treating you in a far kinder manner than I treated the Holocaust denier who came here several days ago.

So if you think I am one sided, you must be the fattest, laziest person ever. The evidence to the oppoisite is at your chubby fingertips. Go get it.

1423. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #162617 by al-rawandi on April 17, 2008 at 6:21 am

Quetz,



Check your pm in a minute.

1424. Hitchens vs. Hitchens

Comment #162317 by al-rawandi on April 16, 2008 at 3:02 pm

Go back and check.





Palestine was not a Roman invention. It predates any Roman presence. It predates Rome in fact.


Run an Arab dictatorship?


Why do keep this up... I already told I am not Arab.

No one is demonizing Israel. My original comment was demonizing a racially exclusinve Zionist state. It is incidental if Israel fits that in any way. I spread around my contempt for these kinds of laws quite evenly.


As I said, we still have this issue of the 1967 borders that remains unresolved which is the foundation of my original claim of dishonesty. You said there is no way Israel could defend these, and that this was the consensus of the military, and at the same time Israel claims to have offered 1967 borders as a peace deal.

I will set aside your wild assumptions about me being a Muslim, since that isn't so much lying as just being foolish.

I am sorry I took your lunch money.

1425. Hitchens vs. Hitchens

Comment #162314 by al-rawandi on April 16, 2008 at 2:52 pm

So the term Philistine is Biblical (as we all know). So Palestine is not a Roman invention, it is a Romanization of a word already common.




Which is what I said, from square one, which you have managed to make into a 40 post ordeal.

Maybe you could tell us what the Philistines called themselves.... That would be back when the Hebrews were polytheists, no?

1426. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #162288 by al-rawandi on April 16, 2008 at 2:00 pm

epeeist,




A well played "fucktard" there.



You should be proud.

1427. Hitchens vs. Hitchens

Comment #162287 by al-rawandi on April 16, 2008 at 1:58 pm

ofir,




That is precisely what I said from the very beginning about the name "Palestine". It comes from the word Philistine. That is exactly what the link I posted said. Maybe you need to brush up on your English.

Also, like I said 4 times, the Arabs use the term falasteen. I don't know what to do... I certainly can't type in brail.


So I don't really see how wrong I am.


But that is probably because I work for al-Qaeda. Now I have to go make a suicide bomb belt, excuse me.

1428. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #162281 by al-rawandi on April 16, 2008 at 1:46 pm

Yes. But don't worry. I have become even more atheist to compensate.

1429. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #162274 by al-rawandi on April 16, 2008 at 1:41 pm

Diacanu,




And an acolyte of David Robertson.


Leave for a few days man, and the world turns upside down.


Bonzai became a Rabbi too. You should really try to keep up.

1430. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #162255 by al-rawandi on April 16, 2008 at 12:55 pm

Bonzai,





Cockermouth.



I usually try for that on Saturday nights.

1431. Hitchens vs. Hitchens

Comment #162243 by al-rawandi on April 16, 2008 at 12:29 pm

ofir,




I am American born, I am white. Why would you assume that I was a Muslim. Al-Rawandi is a famous apostate and I use his name because I like what he wrote. My name is not al-Rawandi.

So that is one more thing you have said that isn't true.


You said that Israel would not be able to sustain itself in the 1967 borders. You further claimed it was a military consensus. Yet Israel claimed it offered almost this exact thing to the Palestinians. So either they lied or you lied. It really is that simple.


So you can continue to deny this. But it will be much like the rest of Zionist history, a revision.


And as for hateful. I have defended Jews and Israel plenty on this forum. I just prefer to hold people to task on their dogmatic views.

As for Palestine, read this:

The Philistines dwelt in cities and controlled much of the coast, and the term 'Palestine' is cognate with the word Philistine

1432. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #162236 by al-rawandi on April 16, 2008 at 12:18 pm

epeeist,

Note to everyone else: do you think David Robertson will use this set of posts to show how nice we are to theists?

1433. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #162226 by al-rawandi on April 16, 2008 at 11:54 am

MPhil,






I still say Kant was the best read from a Moral perspective. Although I zoned out from time to time and woke up 5 pages later.... but I got the important stuff out.


Well written post.


The problems with a scripture centered morality were painfully obvious to me. Combine that with the occassional "it's a metaphor" and that bit was "temporally relative" and you have a recipe for a "What the fuck are you saying" soup... (Serve chilled, in a bread bowl).

Scripture is such an unreliable source of morality. Just look at the way Muslims slaughter each other gleefully on a daily basis. If this was such manifestly obvious revelation, to be eternally truthful, why is it that it's the so-call adherents who most routinely fuck it up, and can never agree to a single word of it.

The only thing subjective about the morality is if you see scripture as a source, then the interpretation of text itself is the most slippery of subjective interpretations.

1434. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #162222 by al-rawandi on April 16, 2008 at 11:41 am

Styrer,

He should have stuck to that.

1435. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #162216 by al-rawandi on April 16, 2008 at 11:24 am

Styrer,





Don't say Chomsky around here.


Danger!

1436. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #162161 by al-rawandi on April 16, 2008 at 8:46 am

MaxD,




I saw it but forget to answer.



I don't know if he ever came back. I like the part where he was a Jew named Dawkins, who spoke in British slang, lived in Minn and served in the IDF. I wouldn't worry about it, they have honed their skills targeting the defenseless.

The threats of physical violence are always entertaining. At 6'5", 255 I generally don't sweat the sickly Minnesotan threatening me with violence.

1437. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #162155 by al-rawandi on April 16, 2008 at 8:35 am

Vaal,




I believed when given the "What the hell were you doing?"


He answered....

"Uh we were praying."


And the rejoinder from the police:

"Naked? With 6 girls?"


And following:


"Yeah, I guess so."


Quite laughable.

1438. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #162151 by al-rawandi on April 16, 2008 at 8:31 am

Sargeist,




Allow me to give a little insight into my own life and development.

In my family, on my father's side, it is a bunch of men who get around and just dig at each other. It is mostly there way of showing affection, as I don't really no any other way to show affection other than playful insults. My problem.

I also spent a lot of time in baseball. Both college and professionally. The environment is hyper-competitive. And involves non stop one upsmanship. That is combined with a Darwinian selection type atmosphere to create an absolute cut throat environment. You find yourself not only wanting to succeed but wanting others to fail.

Positives... I learned to perform under pressure and have a thick skin.

Negatives... I am ruthless when it comes to competition or debate.


That's all. It's a socialization thing.

1439. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #162147 by al-rawandi on April 16, 2008 at 8:26 am

Steve,




The ass wipe situation.


I see what you are saying. I can see how that might be detrimental. I do try to wait until I get a feel for what kind of person they are.

I will in the future limit myself to abusing the people who are already beyond hope. Such as the Holocaust deniers and outright homophobes and the occassional BNP person we get strolling through.

1440. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #162139 by al-rawandi on April 16, 2008 at 8:14 am

Sargeist,




What suggests to you that your demeanor has any effect on absolute stupidity?

I am quite nice and pleasant with Kardashovel, because he has shown some willingness to engage people and answer questions, and, right now, I don't consider him a fucktard.

I treat atheists who say stupid shit in exactly the same fashion. Stupidity that is held as proud opinion should be held up and ridiculed. If someone says "This is my opinion, I can't be sure if it's correct, but it's my opinion until I see other evidence." I would be kind and polite to someone like that.


Now someone (atheist or not) who says "Here is my opinion, which is absolutely correct, so fuck you." Well this person will receive no quarter from me. I have taken that exact attitude and then had my ass handed to me and I learned a lot that way. So now when I am not sure, I make sure I qualify any opinion or question by saying I am not sure. Hence my hesitance around issues of science where I have next to no advanced education.

1441. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #162129 by al-rawandi on April 16, 2008 at 8:00 am

For whoever was moaning about people being mean,





I made a New Year's resolution to have zero tolerance for bull shit and morons. I generally let loose on people who fit in either or both of those categories.

I don't really feel bad. And neither should anyone else. We are held in utter contempt by the credulous fucktards, I don't see why we owe them any kindness.

Just remember they think you are going to burn for all eternity. Calling one of them an "ass hole" is mild by comparison.

But I also agree with Dr. Benway... let's at least be specific.

1442. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #162107 by al-rawandi on April 16, 2008 at 6:56 am

Steve,




I would have happily suggested the Baha'i Faith to RM. Far more pleasant and tolerant. Wonderfully nice people. They consider science and indispensable compliment to religion. Quite interesting. And almost palatable.

Oh well.

1443. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #162105 by al-rawandi on April 16, 2008 at 6:53 am

All,


From the FCOS, and a sick man.

The first stage was the awareness that the vast halls of science and reason are no wider than the space between my ears!
Bang! - the "prison walls" burst open.
Second stage - the message of Christ seemed to light up (it's an image, I'm not having visions or hallucinations ....yet!) every particle of my being.

1444. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #162099 by al-rawandi on April 16, 2008 at 6:49 am

Steve,

Only from the point of view of other people. Anything pointing in the direction of travel will also seem shorter to them (probably best say no more about that).

1445. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #162089 by al-rawandi on April 16, 2008 at 6:35 am

Billy Sands,




Has RM returned to "the flock"?


Robertson waiting with open arms... and crossed fingers?




Steve,


As you approach the speed of light won't your mass increase exponentially? I don't know if I want to put on that kind of weight.

1446. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #162082 by al-rawandi on April 16, 2008 at 6:20 am

Peace,




The reason they need to be in a gang is because if they go it alone they will be beaten and killed.


You need a religion so the other religions won't beat you to death. The world does not favor a loner.

1447. Hitchens vs. Hitchens

Comment #162075 by al-rawandi on April 16, 2008 at 6:04 am

ofir,




To your entire post #322.


And you call France what in English? France, correct? I would be shocked if you called it Tsorfat in an English discussion, especially since your English appears perfect.

Yet you continue to use the Hebrew word to describe the West Bank... It denotes a Jewish claim on the land. Especially when there is a perfectly good set of English words to describe it.

When I speak Arabic I call America al-Amrika, I call China al-Seen. I do this because when you speak in a language using foreign words it denotes something different. So I don't understand why you would, in speaking English with non-Hebrew speakers, you would call the West Bank Judeah?

I am not on planet Chomsky, you are on planet Stupid if you think that. I don't particularly care for Chomsky's "It's always America's fault" brand of writing. And I am the one making things up?

1448. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #161726 by al-rawandi on April 15, 2008 at 2:33 pm

Styrer,





Just have him stay away from my balls.

1449. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #161721 by al-rawandi on April 15, 2008 at 2:27 pm

Frankus,





Dude. It was a race of interstellar masturbator donkeys that flew on their dildo shaped space ships to earth and germinated the place, then there was evolution and then *poof* advanced intelligence like Kardashovel.

1450. School bars same-sex partners at formals

Comment #161712 by al-rawandi on April 15, 2008 at 2:19 pm

Chris Jackson,




Don't worry about us here in the States. Worry about what size Burqa you will be getting for your wife. Shariah much?