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Comments by clodhopper


101. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166578 by clodhopper on April 23, 2008 at 10:08 am

Oh, I have problems with grammar too. I still can't use my colon correctly although ID has given me an idea.

102. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166572 by clodhopper on April 23, 2008 at 10:03 am

ID: Can you please spell out the consequences of not believing in a designer? Short and long term please.

103. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166558 by clodhopper on April 23, 2008 at 9:54 am

ID: "I'm hopeless?"

Correct.

What do you hope to achieve by continuing?

104. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166549 by clodhopper on April 23, 2008 at 9:51 am

Comment #166493 by TheTruthID

All of this back and forth gibberish.


You aint seen nuthin yet.

They will not accept any supernatural laws for the explanation...


Nope. Not without evidence. Since you can't provide any, perhaps you might at this point like to consider taking your IDiocy elsewhere?

105. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #165979 by clodhopper on April 22, 2008 at 4:32 pm

Oh God. You don't get Next if you're already on the last page do you.....der

*face* *palm* *smack* *tea* *bed*

nite all

106. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #165976 by clodhopper on April 22, 2008 at 4:28 pm

Keith: You're a pudlyist!

Is Josh tinkering or is it my PC? Where's 'Next' gone. Why if I click on newest comments does IE crash? Why are we all here? What is the colour of irritation? Why won't my Exma leave me alone like other exes do?

(I know, I know, *goes to bed*)

107. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #165948 by clodhopper on April 22, 2008 at 4:02 pm

fewmenchew: You're appeals to emotion are all very charming and your beliefs no skin off our noses, unless, that is, the god you believe in wants to take the skin off our noses.

Or will he just send us all to burn for eternity?

108. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #165940 by clodhopper on April 22, 2008 at 3:55 pm

Alright then. 3 newcomers approach the pearly gates. St P asks for symbols of devotion from each.

1st man pulls out a candle "it represents the light of the world"
2nd man a butterfly "the wonders of nature"
3rd man takes grubby pair of knickers from pocket.
St Peter: "WTF is that supposed to represent"?

"They're Carols

109. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #165927 by clodhopper on April 22, 2008 at 3:40 pm

What's going on? Are we being attacked by DDossers?

110. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #165871 by clodhopper on April 22, 2008 at 1:48 pm

foo: Is there any particular reason I might love my son less because I acknowledge the process of evolution as a biological reality?

111. If God Is Dead, Who Gets His House?

Comment #165661 by clodhopper on April 22, 2008 at 2:06 am

Atheist : Church

Fish : Bicycle

112. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #165503 by clodhopper on April 21, 2008 at 2:28 pm

epee: Srsly, Congratulations! I bet it took several units of alcohol to counteract all that adrenalin!

Off Topic: Dan Dennet was one of Andrew Marr's guests on start the week this morning. Good stuff. R4 listen again etc.

113. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #165496 by clodhopper on April 21, 2008 at 2:19 pm

Do it because everyone on this planet is stuffed if you don't.


.....oh, that's right, you don't care, you're saved already.

114. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #165488 by clodhopper on April 21, 2008 at 2:07 pm

epee: you're a bit chuffed about that, aren't you?

115. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #165485 by clodhopper on April 21, 2008 at 2:04 pm

ID; If you want, you can skip this phase and move on directly to the scripture quotes and threats. It will save a lot of time.

116. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #165482 by clodhopper on April 21, 2008 at 2:01 pm

ID: continue this dialouge?

you can't be serious!!! Answer the questions.

ps...it's dialogue...

117. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #165473 by clodhopper on April 21, 2008 at 1:55 pm

Sorities Paradox.

When is a heap not a heap?

When is a drunk not a drunk?

ad hic?

118. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #165463 by clodhopper on April 21, 2008 at 1:46 pm

Please include the references to peer reviewed scientific findings published.

119. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #165452 by clodhopper on April 21, 2008 at 1:37 pm

Robertson: Tell me you're going to retract that despicable post.

120. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #165447 by clodhopper on April 21, 2008 at 1:36 pm

ID: "I have open ears."

Please add filtered. Answer the questions!

121. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #165335 by clodhopper on April 21, 2008 at 11:05 am

Comment #165316 by navyjake95

I sat in a crowded Theater last night, and listened as the entire crowd "snickered" at Dawkins


Good grief. Do you mean to say you angrily waved a chocolate bar at Professor Dawkins? I am shocked man, shocked I tell you.

122. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #165296 by clodhopper on April 21, 2008 at 10:00 am

Steve: Don't let it get to you. It's just that some humans are (like the starfish and sea urchins) evolving to a simpler form that have no need of a brain.

Luckily we will not be able to mate with them (perish the thought).

123. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #164172 by clodhopper on April 19, 2008 at 4:59 pm

3CPO: ..and thus he spake with tongues tho partially BLINDED were they that saw unto him what wud be gud SRSLY if the hole within time was without MIND once withdrawn but veryily thrice blessed albeit stumped for WORDS

124. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #164105 by clodhopper on April 19, 2008 at 2:32 pm

Comment #164103 by Goldy

Anyway, what is your evidence that God was not created?


....because it's not there?

125. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #164093 by clodhopper on April 19, 2008 at 1:59 pm

QuetZ: Looks like one of Roald Dahl's big friendly giants.

126. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #164064 by clodhopper on April 19, 2008 at 1:24 pm

Comment #164058 by Steve Zara

I feel it is only fair to admit that sometimes it is also really gross.


Having just cleaned up after a fox got at my hens last night I con only say amen to that. All part of gods plan I suppose though.

127. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #164059 by clodhopper on April 19, 2008 at 1:19 pm

remnant "i want to get out and enjoy God's Creation for a bit."

god or no god, it would then be helpful if you would go and learn something about it.

128. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #163904 by clodhopper on April 19, 2008 at 9:08 am

On the contrary. My farts do not requaire a creator. They just are!

129. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #163903 by clodhopper on April 19, 2008 at 9:06 am

Blimey. Are you going to a cut & paste conference?

130. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #163901 by clodhopper on April 19, 2008 at 9:05 am

But you can see your wet suit expanding like a balloon

Precisely. My farts are evidence based farts.

131. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #163893 by clodhopper on April 19, 2008 at 8:57 am

"Faith is like the wind. I can't see God, I can only see the effects of Him."

I can't see my farts either but I believe in them.

132. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #163890 by clodhopper on April 19, 2008 at 8:53 am

that's original

133. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #163774 by clodhopper on April 19, 2008 at 2:43 am

Seems to me Intelligent Design cannot be science because it doesn't really study anything. It's more of an idea.

I am puzzled why the adjective 'intelligent' has to be used in front of design at all?

Bah. ID just falls down all over the place. Do the IDers somehow feel their hidden agenda is opaque to our eyes?

134. Flea of the week

Comment #163584 by clodhopper on April 18, 2008 at 3:05 pm

Well what's Hawaii got that Scunthorpe hasn't?

135. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #163575 by clodhopper on April 18, 2008 at 2:39 pm

Oh....I found this too which is rich.

"But what about the predictive power of intelligent design? To require prediction fundamentally misconstrues design. To require prediction of design is to put design in the same boat as natural laws, locating their explanatory power in an extrapolation from past experience. This is to commit a category mistake. To be sure, designers, like natural laws, can behave predictably (designers often institute policies that end up being rigidly obeyed). Yet unlike natural laws, which are universal and uniform, designers are also innovators. Innovation, the emergence to true novelty, eschews predictability. Designers are inventors. We cannot predict what an inventor would do short of becoming that inventor. Intelligent design offers a radically different problematic for science than a mechanistic science wedded solely to undirected natural causes. Yes, intelligent design concedes predictability. But this represents no concession to Darwinism, for which the minimal predictive power that it has can readily be assimilated to a design-theoretic framework."

EDIT: Yes, it's Dumski.....

136. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #163571 by clodhopper on April 18, 2008 at 2:29 pm

Comment #163462 by epeeist

epee: good post.

four of their predictions

(1) High information content machine-like irreducibly complex structures will be found.
(2) Forms will be found in the fossil record that appear suddenly and without any precursors.
(3) Genes and functional parts will be re-used in different unrelated organisms.
(4) The genetic code will NOT contain much discarded genetic baggage code or functionless "junk DNA".
(5) Epeeist's is gonna fry

Ways in which Intelligent Design can be falsified?

Trash: 1-4

Show 5: see how cool epeeist is.....

jobs a gudun

best

clod

137. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #163255 by clodhopper on April 18, 2008 at 5:26 am

irate_atheist

Well, he is polite and does his best.


irate: more than happy to rely on you're infallible instincts in this regard.

my estimation...

politeness 55% at best
Doing His Best 35% to be polite

138. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #163251 by clodhopper on April 18, 2008 at 5:16 am

Comment #163235 by Sargeist

I probably shouldn't have said anything


Not at all. I do think it is something we have to be careful of. What on earth would be the point of frightening reasonable debators away with ready insults. Non at all.

Often trolls will try to hide behind a veneer of 'reasonableness' at first, but all too often give themselves away by throwing out early and subtle insults. Then it's downhill all the way to irate when I positively look forward to his refreshing 'input' TM.

139. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #163227 by clodhopper on April 18, 2008 at 4:43 am

Sarg: "Is it just pure and simple mean-spiritedness? "

I really don't think so. Theist posters are given the benefit of the doubt and treated very reasonably until it becomes apparant they are lobbing brickbats for the sake of it and refusing to answer or dodge rational and relevent questions.

At that point I think they deserve what they get (I think)

140. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #163218 by clodhopper on April 18, 2008 at 4:29 am

Irate: I really think it's time!

141. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #163197 by clodhopper on April 18, 2008 at 4:10 am

Ego: Which god are you talking about and where does your knowledge about it come from?

142. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #163169 by clodhopper on April 18, 2008 at 3:38 am

Oooo. I can't wait till he gets to me. I'm all of a lather.

143. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #163113 by clodhopper on April 18, 2008 at 2:23 am

Comment #163107 by epeeist

Given this you could travel along a spiral path and return before your time of your departure.


MMmmm. On the one hand getting home before you've left for work would be very nice but coming before the foreplay is over could be somewhat frustrating.

144. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #163110 by clodhopper on April 18, 2008 at 2:19 am

Oh I expect they'll mount a pincer attack when they get bored with each other.....:-(

145. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #163103 by clodhopper on April 18, 2008 at 2:03 am

Comment #163083 by Quetzalcoatl

Having read RM's insults yesterday I composed a response criticising what he had said.


Quetz: Effort appreciated but I don't think it's worth it. Having 'converted' Richard will now be mirroring the behaviour of his new mentor in order to get more strokes and approval. I think it's probably best to let them get on with it.

Just my opinion though.

146. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #162773 by clodhopper on April 17, 2008 at 12:40 pm

Comment #162594 by Quetzalcoatl

let's find out.


I don't think we'll have much choice. As Doc B sais, the man is a professional.

Comment #162595 by epeeist
If however I had posted it with malice aforethought then I would probably keep quiet about it, lie low for a while and then post something else as though nothing had happened.


Can I take that as a prophecy? I will put money on it.

147. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #162767 by clodhopper on April 17, 2008 at 12:30 pm

thisisme: You seem to be arguing that a universal standard of morality is a necessity. Why? If my standard and someone else's disagree, well, then we can talk about it and seek a negotiated agreement. How can you demonstrate that an ultimate standard exists?

148. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #162626 by clodhopper on April 17, 2008 at 6:41 am

Comment #162608 by Paula Kirby

You're right about the importance of not indoctrinating in either direction


I try so hard for that balance. My boy is 9 and he finds Marcus Brigstock hilarious and David Robertson frightening. I think he's right.

149. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #162590 by clodhopper on April 17, 2008 at 5:29 am

While we're discussing lying, consider this...

[quotemine]
"Firstly Scottish geologist cannot think of anything on this site where I have lied etc or surely he would have shown us it."

"How does this show how I lied'?!"

"Sorry Alan, could you please let me know your 'much more recent post showing' that I lied?"

"As I've said before and I'll say again - show me where I have lied and I will apologise for it."

"You show me a distortion and I will remove it."

"So back to the question -show me where I have lied and I will repent." [/quotemine]


This is but a small sample of quotes on the theme from you know who.

If you did demonstrate that the man was a lier, what differnce would this make to his posting strategy?

1. Non at all
2. A bit
3. A lot
4. Other

Why?

150. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #162558 by clodhopper on April 17, 2008 at 4:15 am

Believers don't live in a vacuum do they? They tend to want to teach the stuff they believe to others for various reasons. They do this to my son at his school and I don't like it.

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