Comments by Geodesic17

Comment #168821 by Geodesic17 on April 25, 2008 at 11:30 am

"Brooks surmises that Europeans and liberals, especially secular ones, believe the government should take care of people, but Americans and conservatives, especially religious ones, tend to believe in personal charity and individual responsibility."

Here you go: They give less because they pay taxes and support government programs. The difference lies in the method of helping. Liberals are not tax evaders and they support government sponsorship of social programs.

See beanonline.org. It was started by an atheist and is full of liberals.

102. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #168808 by Geodesic17 on April 25, 2008 at 11:18 am

Whoremonger:

n. A whoremaster.

What a hypocrite! Where is the mention of the slavemasters? They surely deserved to be drowned.

103. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #168798 by Geodesic17 on April 25, 2008 at 11:09 am

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

These people weren't involved in a penis panic, were they?

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20080422/tod-uk-congo-democratic-witchcraft-cb1d00a.html

104. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #168785 by Geodesic17 on April 25, 2008 at 10:57 am

Lets try some economic balancing here. The economic benefit derived from donating to charity by religious people vs the economic harm done by electing George Bush twice. What is the net value?

105. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #168777 by Geodesic17 on April 25, 2008 at 10:48 am

Show me the links to your numbers, Remnant. I will read them.

I will also point out that there are other ways of giving and contributing to society than through monetary methods.

106. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #168773 by Geodesic17 on April 25, 2008 at 10:42 am

Remnant,

Well, if you are ultimately going to tie a persons contribution to the world based on how much money they give to a charity. Giving isn't as important as what happens with the money that is given.

Yes, religious people pay tithings out of fear of hellfire. I know for a fact my mom always paid tithings even when it made more sense to send her kids to a dentist with that money.

107. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #168754 by Geodesic17 on April 25, 2008 at 10:33 am

Count how many time Bill Gates talks about Jesus when he gave his speech at Havard about giving away his $$$$$$$$$$.

108. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #168749 by Geodesic17 on April 25, 2008 at 10:31 am

Anna is right. When atheists help people it is because they desire a positive change in the real world, not to gain divine browny points. Imagine, helping to improve communities for the sake of living in a better community or helping a person out of the desire to not see them fail.

109. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #168746 by Geodesic17 on April 25, 2008 at 10:27 am

I actually read Dembski's blog about ID supporters being duped into being put into BBC documentaries as anti-science figures (since ID is science after all). I noticed that he ended his blog post with "Take the pain." Oddly, there was no pain. I think being portrayed walking along train tracks isn't comparable to intentionally sinister lighting and footage of being prepped in a make-up chair.

110. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #168702 by Geodesic17 on April 25, 2008 at 9:49 am

Anyone that has the patience to do so, please study this debate:

http://www.iun.edu/~anthronc/darwin2006.shtml

The only saving grace is that it happened off the beaten path in Gary, Indiana.

Note the constant appeals to pre-existing cultural beliefs such as a morality rooted in a Zoroastrian Cosmic Battle between Good and Evil. And the "There is no love with evolution" style of arguments.

111. Yoko Ono sues over use of John Lennon videos

Comment #168641 by Geodesic17 on April 25, 2008 at 8:50 am

The people behind this film are doing a great job of pissing everyone off (except for the Evangelical Christian Nationalists that they are targeting).

"Imagine there's no heaven."

112. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #168629 by Geodesic17 on April 25, 2008 at 8:42 am

Logic is a tool to be used selectively in order to defend your beliefs, duh.

Sorry, but cakes do not evolve. I'm pretty sure if you left it alone, uneatten, that it would decay and spoil. Unlike dirt, which can magically be transformed into a person.

113. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #168074 by Geodesic17 on April 24, 2008 at 1:53 pm

I'm having a hard time keeping track between Remnant and TheTruthID. Perhaps they are related.

Anyhow, does anyone else suspect them of being Christian Nationalists?

114. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #168056 by Geodesic17 on April 24, 2008 at 1:41 pm

Remnant,

You are entitled to you opinion and so am I. We still live in a free country, at least until the libs get done with it.

Have fun with that one.

I don't care enough to argue further on this. At least you aren't homeschooling your kids.

115. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #168030 by Geodesic17 on April 24, 2008 at 1:28 pm

Also, Remnant,

Pointing out how someone is out of touch with reality when you are making irrationally fearful assumptions is a bit ironic.

116. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #168023 by Geodesic17 on April 24, 2008 at 1:25 pm

Remnant,
Giving out the name of a high school on the Internet is no big deal. You are completely anonymous. I think you are being oddly too defensive.

117. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #167992 by Geodesic17 on April 24, 2008 at 1:11 pm

To anyone that is going to listen, the reason there is a debate about Intelligent Design is because there is a propaganda firm known as the Discovery Institute pumping controversy into the discourse. It is exploiting the poor quality of education in this country. It is funded by an ignorant old man that wants to undermine the separation of church and state. Further, it is promoting the world view of a closed off, paranoid, group of people that are fearful of society and social change.

118. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #167974 by Geodesic17 on April 24, 2008 at 1:03 pm

Geodesic17,

Wrong. That's what it exactly does, prove my premise. You asked for a few reasons why I support ID and when I gave them to you, you decide to give-up. Looks like a victory for ID.

To everyone that continues to argue with this TheTruthID, note that "winning" a "debate" is pestering people until they can't stand you anymore rather than persuading them.

119. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #167347 by Geodesic17 on April 23, 2008 at 11:18 pm

I knew you would give up. Everyone else giving up, or is there anyone out there who can take me on?

This is the last thing I'll ever write to you, TheTruthID. Whining at, spamming, insulting, and annoying people until they no longer desire to enter into conversation with you is not a victory for you nor does it prove your premise.

120. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #167345 by Geodesic17 on April 23, 2008 at 11:15 pm

Maybe you might want to get those synapses checked. Maybe one or two out of your five are misfiring.

I'd like to encourage people not to say stuff like this. It just makes everyone here look like fighting four-year-olds. Don't insult trolls or take their bait, please.

121. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #167343 by Geodesic17 on April 23, 2008 at 11:12 pm

There is quite a long history of TheTruthID taunting and bating people. He isn't here to learn or share ideas. I'm not longer responding to him and I suggest that everyone let it go.

122. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #167337 by Geodesic17 on April 23, 2008 at 11:02 pm

Hey 5keptical,

Can't understand what I have presented? Why don't you go to the Fisher Price forum. It might be more to your liking.

This is taunting. I urge everyone to make note of it, but not react to it. Don't give him the payoffs he is looking for.

How do you guys feel about Dawkins pretty much admitting to a creator in the movie, Expelled? Wasn't it great? Or do you think he got caught off guard, flustered and had a brain fart?

Any thoughts?

Unlike people like you, TheTruthID, some people can entertain the perspective of someone else without accepting it. Being able to imagine and understand a perspective that you disagree with is important. We have all given your perspective a chance, but the evidence is not in your favor, as much as you assert that it actually is.

123. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #167037 by Geodesic17 on April 23, 2008 at 2:58 pm

Wait a sec, what have we learned?

We've learned that there seems to be a factory that puts out carbon copies of trolls and we've learned a lot about science from each other.

124. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #166978 by Geodesic17 on April 23, 2008 at 2:20 pm

You accept any theoretical speculation that denies a Creator.

Did you even read the post about theistic evolution, dude?

125. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166914 by Geodesic17 on April 23, 2008 at 1:39 pm

No one wants to defend one of your own. You keep asking me for reasons why I beleive in ID, and when I quote one of your own, no response.

Very interesting?

Care to ellaborate?

126. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166865 by Geodesic17 on April 23, 2008 at 1:14 pm

TruthID,

Do you have source for that trend?

127. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166847 by Geodesic17 on April 23, 2008 at 1:01 pm

Comment #166819 by al-rawandi on April 23, 2008 at 12:47 pm

Geodesic17,

Good point. They refuse to believe they were descended from an ape like primate ancestor, yet being created from dirt isn't really a hang up.

Further, they fail to see that the chemical composition of dirt isn't the same as a living animal. So God couldn't have just used dirt. If he popped the dirt out of existance and a fully-formed human in its place, then he didn't create Adam from dirt. Believers in theistic evolution are able to gloss over this chapter and say, "Thats a metaphor!"

128. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #166825 by Geodesic17 on April 23, 2008 at 12:50 pm

Remnant,
What do you mean by finding a government program or grant?

129. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166800 by Geodesic17 on April 23, 2008 at 12:37 pm

TheTruthID,

Please lead us in a Bible study of the creation of Adam.

130. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #166767 by Geodesic17 on April 23, 2008 at 12:20 pm

The trend I see among ID people on the Internet is to come to a discussion board to annoy and badger everyone, bait people into insulting them, and then cry foul-play when people get fed up with them.

Imagine... if someone kept coming up and flicking you behind the ear, you would eventually avoid or stop talking to that person. The game, using Transactional Analysis of course, is to wait for the insults and threats as a sign of persecution.

The posting and recitation of Bible quotes, without applying critical thinking, might reward them at Church or in their closed off social circles, but in the whole of society the fact of the matter is that there are rules for behavior and discourse that some people obviously didn't learn when they were being homeschooled. They shouldn't expect people to humor them forever.

131. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #166740 by Geodesic17 on April 23, 2008 at 12:02 pm

If Remnant wants to hang out here, lets apply positive reinforcement. But if he is trolling and baiting us into insulting him, lets ignore that.

132. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #166721 by Geodesic17 on April 23, 2008 at 11:50 am

Remnant,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-organization

The brain is a system that has control over itself. I'll respond to your ill-concieved robot analogy later.

133. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #166684 by Geodesic17 on April 23, 2008 at 11:32 am

If God wanted everyone to have Bible quotes plastered to the inside of their skulls, why didn't he just put them there in the first place?

134. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166649 by Geodesic17 on April 23, 2008 at 11:14 am

Our prisons are filling up with Secular Humanists every day!

You are showing your lack of confidence in true glory

Actually, he is showing how frustrated he is with having to bring you up to speed on several years of education that you obviously missed out on, somehow. Is name calling justified? Probably not. But you are frustrating everyone with your wild assertations and failure to follow the common rules of rational discourse.

135. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #166584 by Geodesic17 on April 23, 2008 at 10:15 am

yup, they missed school, or were homeschooled.

And they go through the rest of their adult lives expecting to be humored as they were in childhood. If not, you are a bully.

136. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166562 by Geodesic17 on April 23, 2008 at 9:57 am

TheTruthID,

You fail to notice all of the supporters of theistic evolution with this sweeping generalization.
The God of Intelligent Design is a bumbling tinkerer and jester.

137. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166544 by Geodesic17 on April 23, 2008 at 9:49 am

Are you kidding? Creationists>/ID proponents are the ones who have started with the Bible as their bias. Scientists start with a compilation of evidence and then come to a conclusion; you've gotten it backwards.

The way many creationists reason is to start with their beliefs (the premise) and then selectively pick evidence to support their claims (beliefs).

Science starts with the evidence and then draw conclusions.

138. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #166519 by Geodesic17 on April 23, 2008 at 9:34 am

Remnant,

Lets start with English.

What are similes, metaphors, and analogies? Please define each and give examples of both.

139. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #166494 by Geodesic17 on April 23, 2008 at 9:19 am

Remnant,

Just because some of the descendants of an organism become a different species doesn't mean that the other descendants have to change. If the organism does well in its environment, it is fairly well adapted. If there is an environmental pressure on a population of that organism that selects for change, that does not influence the organisms that are getting along OK in the previously stated environment.

I could probably reword this to be more clear, but the idea is that because one line of descendants diverges, that doesn't mean that the other has to.

140. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #166425 by Geodesic17 on April 23, 2008 at 8:38 am

Remnant, please walk us through the creation of Adam one more time.

141. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #166418 by Geodesic17 on April 23, 2008 at 8:31 am

"Creationists make it sound as though a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night" -- Isaac Asimov

142. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166153 by Geodesic17 on April 22, 2008 at 9:46 pm

I'm afraid that the "logic" is to start with your beliefs that your parents gave you and then seek out "evidence" and "proof" to defend them. An example of this in reading the Bible is prooftexting. I think that this happens all over the place though.

As for some Christians, mainly the fundementalists that deny evolution, it is Biblical Literalism that prevents them from taking a metaphorical approach to Genesis which allows other believers to rationalize their belief in both science and religion.

If you are not from the USA, you should know that students are allowed to have their parent's sign permission slips so that they do not have to even entertain evolution in science class for the short period of time in which it is covered.

One could point out that God started with dirt, dust, or clay in order to make Adam. Reasoning any further is forbidden. There was dirt...magic happened... POOF! Adam! How does Intelligent Design relate to this? I have no clue. It doesn't fit with a literal or metaphorical interpretation of Genesis.

SOME Christians aren't being made aware of the alternatives that have been concocted such as Theistic Evolution because of lazy researches and propogandists. That and the trend for Fundamentalists to think that Catholics are evil.
The reactions that I see are mostly emotional. At this point the inner-parent in their mind usually signs a permission slip so they can ignore what you are saying.

Please use this phrase: Deiabiogenesis. Life from non-life and a deity.

Atheists just believe in taking away the God part of the equation.

143. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #166133 by Geodesic17 on April 22, 2008 at 7:24 pm

Remnant,

My response to your proof of God is this cut and paste from a website about Viking Myths.

The Vikings believed that in the beginning, a great abyss (gap) the size of which no one could fathom existed in the centre of space. On one side of the abyss was Niflheim (ne ful ham). It was filled with cold, ice, mist and darkness and from its huge spring flowed twelve large rivers. As the waters flowed into the cold abyss, ice blocks formed and filled one side of the gap.

On the opposite side of the abyss was Muspelheim (mus pel ham). It was filled with the fire, warmth and brightness and was guarded by a flame giant whose sword sent great showers of sparks into the gap.

Eventually, the fire of Muspelheim and the ice of Niflheim regions mixed in the abyss. A mist rose from the gap and froze to create an ice giant named Ymir. An enormous cow was also created to nourish him.

From a salty ice block licked by the cow, the first god, Buri emerged. Soon more giants appeared-two from drops of sweat under Ymir's arms two giants and two more from his Ymir's feet. As time passed, even more giants were born. Eventually, there was a struggle between the giants and the gods. The struggle continued until the birth of Odin and his two brothers Vili and Ve. Their father was Borr, the son of Buri, and their mother Bestla, the daughter of a frost giant. Together with their father, the three brothers killed Ymir. His blood gushed into the abyss, drowning all but two of the frost giants who escaped the deluge in a boat. The Vikings imagined that all frost giants descended from these two. They also imagined that from Ymir's corpse, Odin and his brothers created the universe.
http://www.cdli.ca/CITE/v_creation.htm
http://youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0

144. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #166015 by Geodesic17 on April 22, 2008 at 5:02 pm

phasmagigas,
I thought something similar when an Intelligent Design proponent from Moody Bible Institute came to my college. I don't think he cared much about the atheists as most of his arguments were aimed at preaching to the converted.

Remnant ,
Now please prove which God created the universe.

145. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #165995 by Geodesic17 on April 22, 2008 at 4:45 pm

Here's a little more food for thought for the posers and non-thinkers to ponder. Maybe3, just maybe it will get a synapse firing.

http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Crumbling-Facade-Of-The-Theory-Of-Evolution&id=1042300

Enjoy! God loves you and wants you to use that brain He created you with.

So is this a hit-and-run post or are you going to defend every line of the link which you have posted here?

146. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #165980 by Geodesic17 on April 22, 2008 at 4:33 pm

I never said it wasn't, matey. I said that an unbeliever cannot properly interpret Scripture without guidance from the Holy Spirit. You have not only proven that, you have also proven that you have a problem with reading comprehension as well.

So when God wrote the Bible in Hebrew and then the later part in Greek, God had it written a coded manner that requires his guidance to understand. Then when it was editted and revised at later dates to incorporate new information to reflect changing doctrines, he also inspired that. Is this what you are saying? So what is the point of writing a book that is encrypted and confusing if God can just speak directly to people?

147. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #165917 by Geodesic17 on April 22, 2008 at 3:21 pm

Here is a joke:

St. Peter is up at the Gates of Heaven, taking down names and seeing who should be allowed to enter. A Creationist approaches St. Peter and asks, "May I enter?". St. Peter says "Sure, as soon as I see some proof of ID."

=p

148. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #165887 by Geodesic17 on April 22, 2008 at 2:13 pm

In regards to annabanana's "angelic" prettiness.

I am reminded of a teacher from Moody Bible Institute that "debated" Intelligent Design at a university that I attended. He had many similiar arguments. To him, "scientists" attempts to root emotions and love into the materialistic frameworks of physiology and biochemistry where destroying his concept of love. He made the mistake of assuming that because there are naturalistic triggers, that scientists believe that these experiences do not exist. He certainly won over the 2 or 3 Creationists in the crowd with that argument.

Getting back to Chewmanfoo, his arguments are rooted in Christian courtship rituals and philosophy. His schmoozing is likely rewarded in that culture.

149. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #165494 by Geodesic17 on April 21, 2008 at 2:15 pm

So, please, read the link. Do it for the children.

Do it for your country and its economy too.

150. Pope's Views on Science Invoke Spirited Debate

Comment #165492 by Geodesic17 on April 21, 2008 at 2:12 pm

I don't know if it is because the Pope's visit is on the East Coast, but I work for a Jesuit College in Seattle and more people here seemed to be enthusiastic about the Dalai Lama's visit to the city. There isn't much Pope talk going on around here.

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