Comments by Remnant

Comment #167782 by Remnant on April 24, 2008 at 10:27 am

3745. Comment #167765 by phatbat on April 24, 2008 at 10:08 am
You need to learn some patience. You are one person asking a question. I am trying to respond to numerous comments and questions that are non-stop. I do not have time to answer every question nor the time to do it on your schedule. Have you not evolved empathy yet?
"I asked you in post 3668 how then you can claim the robber with a gun is forcing and your bible god isnt. And also how we can be required to be both credulous and incredulous at the same time about different badly evidenced gods."
I explained it in a long post. I cannot be responsible for your comprehension of what I wrote. Try re-reading it. In regards to your second statement, you must search for the truth yourself with an open mind and come to your own decision about which faith is more credulous.

"and then there is this:

3680. Comment #167667 by Remnant
"Before the New Testament was available in completed form, men would ask the apostles and others for proof that the gospel was divine. To confirm the preaching, God bore witness with signs and wonders and various gifts of the Holy Spirit. Today we have the complete revelation of God's Word in the Old Testament and the need for signs and wonders in this sense have been supplanted with the confirmation of god's word in the Bible and fulfilled prophecy.

So you're saying that they found it hard to believe when these apostles were right in front of their face talking to them, so god wanted to give them evidence. But he doesn't want to give each of us evidence because some other humans compiled a set of small writings from people who lived a few thousand years ago and called it the bible, and we are just supposed to believe that what those same people said was in fact true all of a sudden.

You're still left with the issue that people back then weren't supposed to believe what the people said but we have to believe what they said now after thousands of years just because someone put it all together in a book. "

Your question reveals that you do not understand the culture during Biblical times or the Bible. During those times, people required a sign to confirm the truth of a prophet. God confirmed the truth of what they were teaching through signs and miracles just as he did in the Old Testament and in Jesus Christ. God's revelation in His inspired, inerrant Word, in his creation, in Jesus Christ, etc. is sufficient for those that choose to seek him in faith without overpowering your free will. Are you now asking the God you don't believe in to take away your free will and force you to believe in him? God wants you to seek Him in spirit and in truth, not because your free will is impaired by Him. The millions of people that choose not to believe in Him are dwarfed by the two plus billion that do.

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Comment #167768 by Remnant on April 24, 2008 at 10:09 am

Comment #167747 by Steve Zara on April 24, 2008 at 9:55 am

You, "I thought you said nothing could come from nothing?"

It can't...from nothing comes nothing. God is not nothing. God is the first cause, the eternal Creator.

everything that begins to exist must have a cause

the universe began to exit

therefore the universe had cause.

True science is the search for causes wherever it may lead. Science came into existence for the purpose of understanding God's creation. The fact that science now chooses to restrict itself to natural causes and censors or penalizes anyone that dare to suggest a creator, is evidence that science is no longer honest and is simply an effort to support a worldview that excludes the possibility of a creator.

The ironic thing about this definition that science has chosen is that it has now excluded itself from the possibility of ever finding the answers it claims to seek, the cause of events wherever that may lead. It has reduced itself to depending on speculation and theories of a metaphysical nature that it has barred itself from exploring. It has become one big contradiction.

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Comment #167751 by Remnant on April 24, 2008 at 9:56 am

Comment #167737 by Steve Zara on April 24, 2008 at 9:45 am

You, "You are right. Putting fear of the supernatural and of eternal punishment into a child's mind is indeed the worse evil."

The truth is not evil. Evil is destroying a child's faith and relationship with God and putting their eternal salvation at risk, just because you choose to disbelieve.

Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
2Co 4:5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
2Co 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

Isa 44:18 They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.

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Comment #167741 by Remnant on April 24, 2008 at 9:51 am

Comment #167719 by Steve Zara on April 24, 2008 at 9:31 am

What a bunch of malarkey! Current theory of the origin of the universe, the big bang, is consistent with the Bible. The science has shown that universe was created, not eternal, is expanding, not static, and space, time, energy, and matter began to exist, out of nothing.

Aside from that, if you could be intellectually honest for a moment, you would admit that the universe is what it is. As far as a school child's science education, it does not matter whether the universe was created or just happened. Is a belief in one or the other going to change things? It is what it is. Science has not figured out our own earth, our solar system, or the universe in today's age yet it pretends that it can explain what happened, according to science billions of years ago. Why is so important that school children are taught theory and speculation, as in essence truth. I'll tell you why, it's about destroying a child's faith, plain and simple.

Before you get your drawers in a bundle, I am not against science or continuing to search for causes
wherever that may lead. I am against brainwashing children with theories and and speculations and intentionally withholding information that does not support those theories and facts. I am against indoctrinating children by showing them only one side and censoring free and open discussion of opposing thought.

This is what has destroyed our children's critical thinking skills and is responsible for the reality that in science and math, America is ranks near the bottom.

That my friend, is evil manifested in its ugliest form.

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Comment #167721 by Remnant on April 24, 2008 at 9:33 am

Re: Comment #167705 by Steve Zara on April 24, 2008 at 9:21 am

Me, "I will stick with the truth of the risen Jesus."

You, "I thought you didn't determine truth?"

I am really beginning to worry about your critical thinking skills.

I don't determine truth. God's revealed Word is truth. He has revealed it in His creation, through special revelation in the Bible, through fulfilled prophecy, through th risen Jesus Christ.

I am sorry that understanding my statement caused you such difficulty.

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Comment #167711 by Remnant on April 24, 2008 at 9:26 am

Re: Comment #167698 by Steve Zara on April 24, 2008 at 9:15 am

You, "You are trying to keep children ignorant in a world which urgently requires people to be educated. That is not just sad, it is dangerous. I would call it wicked."

Faith is in Christ is not ignorance, nor is it dangerous or wicked.

Your faith is ignorance, dangerous, and wicked. If you want to deny Christ, that is your free will choice but to try and destroy the faith of innocent children is evil. The Lord spoke about that and I am sure He will will have much more to say about that at judgment day.

Here's a little appetizer from his Word.

Mat 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

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Comment #167704 by Remnant on April 24, 2008 at 9:20 am

Re:Comment #167701 by Quetzalcoatl on April 24, 2008 at 9:17 am

You, "Remnant, I've said it before and I'll say it again. You talk rubbish."

Thank you for you rubbish but I'll pass.

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Comment #167703 by Remnant on April 24, 2008 at 9:18 am

Comment #167692 by Frankus1122 on April 24, 2008 at 9:12 am

You,"But Remnant seems to prefer to remain in a fog of fuzzy half-thought."

Thank you your fuzzy half thought but I will pass.

I will stick with the truth of the risen Jesus.

I don't have enough faith to be an atheist.

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

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Comment #167693 by Remnant on April 24, 2008 at 9:12 am

Comment #167678 by Steve Zara on April 24, 2008 at 9:01 am

Comment #167675 by Remnant

Me, "Why do you whine so much when you are given what you choose?"

You,"Because people like you are trying to restrict choice."

Is that you attempt to restrict choice?

No one is trying to force you to do anything against your free will. I don't have that power. Only God can soften that hardened heart of yours and lead you to salvation.

If anyone is trying to restrict choice, it is atheists like you that try to destroy the faith of other people's children with satan's lies that you believe. You and Eve have a lot in common.

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Comment #167686 by Remnant on April 24, 2008 at 9:08 am

Re: Comment #167680 by irate_atheist on April 24, 2008 at 9:04 am

One day I hope and pray that you will come to a knowledge of the truth and accept God's gift of salvation in Christ, you will no longer be a lost and will have peace in your heart.

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Comment #167682 by Remnant on April 24, 2008 at 9:05 am

Re: Comment #167674 by epeeist on April 24, 2008 at 8:57 am

Comment #167667 by Remnant

Me, "I really do not have the time, nor do I care to answer every off-the-wall claim from the biblically illiterate."

You, "I would be very careful about making a blanket accusation of people on this site being "biblically illiterate"."

I am sorry that you are struggling with comprehension regarding what I wrote. I wrote a direct response to a poster, i did not make an blanket claim, or any claim for that matter, regarding any other poster in my statement.

Are you just being intellectually dishonest again or is this the result of the non-education in the public indoctrination centers?

You, "You claim to be a "creationist". If I may, I will ask you two questions:

1. How old do you think the earth is?
2. Was there a global flood"

I have made no claims on the date of creation. The Bible does not reveal the creation date, nor does it reveal the age of the earth.

Yes there was a global flood.

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Comment #167675 by Remnant on April 24, 2008 at 8:59 am

Re: Comment #167655 by irate_atheist on April 24, 2008 at 8:41 am

That is the grace of our Lord. He allows you to remain a fool and deny Him if you choose. He will give you the consequences of whatever path you choose.

On the other hand, the false gods and vain philosophies of man that you place your FAITH in, will not be able to help you come judgment day. All they will be able to do is share your accommodations and sorrow.

Don't fret however, God is just and will give you whatever you choose. He will not force Himself or salvation on you.

Why do you whine so much when you are given what you choose?

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Comment #167667 by Remnant on April 24, 2008 at 8:50 am

Re: Comment #167627 by al-rawandi on April 24, 2008 at 8:15 am
You, "Remnant,

Answer the following

Please tell us whether you will be drinking poison or handling venomous serpents to prove your loyalty to Christ. It says you can do so without harm in Mark 16:18 and Luke 10:19.

Can you not answer this?"

I really do not have the time, nor do I care to answer every off-the-wall claim from the biblically illiterate, especially when it is clear that they are not seeking the truth, just demonstrating their biblical illiteracy in a feeble attempt to mock the Lord. I'll humor you just this one time. I really don't enjoy pointing out your biblical illiteracy.

Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

In these verses, Jesus is instructing His disciples to go forth and spread the Gospel. Jesus is describing certain miracles that would accompany those who believed the gospel. In biblical times, people looked for a sign to confirm their message. Remember the early disciples did not have the Bible. Your mocking question revolves around the question, "Do these signs exist today?" These signs were intended primarily for the apostolic age, before the complete Bible was available in written form. Most of these signs are found in the Book of Acts:
Cast out demons (Act 8:7; Act 16:18; Act 19:11-16).
New tongues (Act 2:4-11; Act 10:46; Act 19:6).
Handle serpents (Act 28:5).
Drink poison without harmful effects�"not recorded in Acts but attributed to John and Barnabas by the church historian Eusebius.
Lay hands on the sick for healing (Act 3:7; Act 19:11; Act28:8-9).
What was the purpose of these miracles? The answer is found in Heb 2:3
Heb 2:4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?

Before the New Testament was available in completed form, men would ask the apostles and others for proof that the gospel was divine. To confirm the preaching, God bore witness with signs and wonders and various gifts of the Holy Spirit. Today we have the complete revelation of God's Word in the Old Testament and the need for signs and wonders in this sense have been supplanted with the confirmation of god's word in the Bible and fulfilled prophecy.

Now, go back to reading your cartoons.

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Comment #167640 by Remnant on April 24, 2008 at 8:27 am

Re: Comment #167621 by Quetzalcoatl on April 24, 2008 at 8:09 am

"You aren't being asked these questions because the posters are concerned about "others state of salvation". You're being asked them to establish what your views are, and to highlight the inconsistencies in said views."

They are not "my views". I do not determine truth and neither do you. They are God's revelation of truth. All we can do is to find the truth and then conform our lives to that truth.

Me, "The question I have for you is why are you concerned about others when you have heard the Gospel and, I assume, have not placed your faith in Christ?"

You,"You don't need to be Christian to be concerned about others."

I never said one did nor have I said that all atheists are either immoral of do not care about others. In fact, many people that call themselves Christian are immoral and do not care about others. Just because a duck claims to be a whale does not make them one.

The point I was making was that it is a bit of a contradiction and rather irrational for one to believe that God does not exist and then express concern about how that God, that they claim does not exist, deals with humans that they claim he did not create.

If atheists claim to be so rational in their thought, then when they make irrational statements, then they are not immune from questions regarding their reasoning.

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Comment #167625 by Remnant on April 24, 2008 at 8:13 am

Re: Comment #167603 by Peacebeuponme on April 24, 2008 at 7:52 am
Me, "If evolutionary theory were true, then morals would be relative to the individual and therefore no one would be in a position to object to another person's standard of morality, or "moral evolution"."

You, "This is the one religious argument I find really bizzare. Are you saying that, if it were shown that there were no objective basis for morality (it has, but I know you don't accept that), you would no longer object to me stealing from you, or attacking you?"

I didn't say that, I said that under the evolutionary premise of survival of the fittest, the robber would just be following evolutionary dictates,taking advantage of his stronger survival skills, and as an evolutionist you would be in no position to condemn him for doing what evolved naturally. You might not like it, but he would just be following evolutionary dictates.

You are also confusing religion with God's plan of salvation. Religion is man's attempt to reach up to God through works. Salvation in Christ is God reaching down to fallen man with a lifeline through love and grace. I can't speak for religion, I serve Christ.

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Comment #167610 by Remnant on April 24, 2008 at 8:01 am

Re: Comment #167473 by Slippy on April 24, 2008 at 4:55 am
You, "You say in one of your posts that bible god will deliver what we choose and that we must choose bible god in order to get some of the good stuff after we die. My questions are based upon this premise.

You asked, "What happens to anybody who does not know about the bibles god (tribes people, deaf, dumb & mute people etc)? Will they die and get a shock to find that they are going to be cast into the eternal fires of hell because they didn't accept that jesus was resurrected?"

Our finite minds cannot possibly comprehend the entirety of God's plan. I am not stating that I do. No one does and no one will until He returns. God's thoughts and ways are higher than our thoughts and ways. That being said….

You are assuming that there are "good people" that are not deserving of death. The Bible teaches that all have sinned and are deserving of death. All people are accountable to God whether they have "heard about Him" or not. The Bible tells us that God has clearly revealed Himself in nature, Romans 1:20 and in the hearts of people, Ecclesiastes 3:11.
If someone has not heard of Christ but because of the God consciousness written in their heats, believes in God and tries their best to live moral lives, God will, in His power bring someone to share the Gospel to that person. We cannot know how God will deal with every situation but God is just and is love and He, being all-powerful will insure that his will is done and will deal with each situation based on his mercy, grace, and goodness.

The question I have for you is why are you concerned about others when you have heard the Gospel and, I assume, have not placed your faith in Christ? Also, why would you be concerned about others' relationship to a God I assume, you do not believe exists?

You asked, "What happens to all other believers?(non bible god believers)"

Again, I do not make the rules, I am but a messenger, a sinners saved by the grace of God. Here is what the bible, the word of God reveals.

Act 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Joh 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
You asked, "What happens to all the people who died before jesus? they couldn't have accepted that he was resurrected could they, what happens to them? Are they just really unlucky and have to burn? can't be just, fair and loving that can it?"

Since the fall of man, the basis of salvation has always been the death of Christ. No one, either prior to the cross or since the cross, would ever be saved without that one pivotal event in the history of the world. Christ's death paid the penalty for past sins of Old Testament saints and future sins of New Testament saints.

God's requirement of what must be believed is based on the amount of revelation He has given mankind up to that time. This is called progressive revelation. Those that died before Christ but had faith in God and were obedient to Him, before God's revelation in Christ are saved by their faith in God, based on His revelation to them and therefore justified through Christ's sacrifice. Christ died for all sins, past present, and future.

Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Heb 11:2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.

The requirement for salvation has always been faith.

You, "I only ask because these are genuine worries for me. I hate to think that some poor tribesman who has no concept of how loving and just bible god is, is going to burn in hell for eternity when he doesn't even know the rules. Can god not pop a bible down to him so he has a fighting chance?"

God is in control and His will, will be done. Rather than worrying about others state of salvation, I suggest you focus on yours by seeking the truth. If you are truly concerned about the salvation of others, then accept Christ and help spread the Gospel to those that are troubling your heart.

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Comment #167583 by Remnant on April 24, 2008 at 7:21 am

Re: Comment #167514 by epeeist on April 24, 2008 at 5:54 am

"Remnant, are you proposing that god wilfully controls the movements of every sub-atomic particle in the entire universe, even those which are billions of light years away from his chosen people?"

No, God created the laws of nature at the time of creation which control our natural world. Current origin of the universe theory conforms with the thought that at the time of the "big bang" the laws of nature began to exist as did space, time, energy, and matter.

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Comment #167576 by Remnant on April 24, 2008 at 7:13 am

Re: Comment #167455 by debbyo on April 24, 2008 at 4:20 am
Your "robbery" free will analogy is based on several false premises. You are assuming that man is good, you are assuming God is forcing one to accept Him, you are assuming God is evil as in the robber, etc. As an aside, your analogy is also a contradiction of a premise of evolutionary theory, that being descent through natural selection and survival of the fittest. Without God's moral law, the robber is just taking advantage of a premise of evolution, survival of the fittest. Without God's moral law, morality becomes relative. The robber's actions are simply relative to his moral standards. Your moral standard may be different, but how can you hold the robber to your standards? If moral standards are simply the result of evolution, then the robber and your standards are just determined by different evolutionary forces. In addition, I must ask, why are you concerned about ultimate judgment from a God that you believe does not exist? Why are you concerning yourself with an eternal life that you do not believe exists? These are contradictions and are evidence that you may harbor some doubt bout the certainty of your beliefs. If you truly believe that all there is is this natural world, then these things should be of no concern to you.
God did not create man in a fallen state. When God created man, He created man in His image. Man was good. God created man to have fellowship with Him. You are also assuming that man is good.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.
God loved man and wanted man to love Him but He also wanted that love to be out of choice, free will. True love can only originate out of free will. Forced love is not love. God gave man a free will rather than forcing man to love Him by denying man a free will. God did not want false robotic love. We express our love for God by obedience to His commands.
Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
God gave man one command that being to not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
The problem arose when satan deceived Eve, and Adam was then also deceived.
Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
Gen 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
They trusted in satan, not in God and bought into the deception that they would and could "be as gods".
At this point, sin entered the world. Sin is disobedience to God. God did not force man to be disobedient; man chose disobedience with free will. At this point man's sin nature separated man from God. God had a problem. God is holy and just. Because of his holiness, God cannot allow sin into His presence. His justness demands punishment for sin. He would not be just if He did not punish sin. So God had this problem, man chose separation from Him. God, as Creator would be perfectly just in destroying His entire creation. God owes us nothing. But God loved His creation so much and wanted a way that fallen man could be reconciled with Him, a holy and just God that He implemented a divine plan. He loved man so much that he came to earth, manifested as Jesus, His only Son and lived a sinless life, and suffered and died as a propitiation, a payment for man's sin, past present, and future. Man's free will prevents Him from living a sinless life. All men are sinners, even those that accept Christ as their Savior. I am a sinner. No one can live a sinless life. The difference is, that those that have accepted Christ are counted righteous based on their faith in Christ and his sacrifice. Doe that mean that once saved, one can go on intentionally sinning. No. Obedience to God means trying to live a life of obedience to His will. True saving faith results in a spiritual rebirth and a desire to be obedient to the Lord. This does not mean that a saved Christian will not slip up but it should be an exception rather than the rule. If one claims to be a Christian but lives in complete and willful disobedience to God and lives a life of intentional sin, then there is a very high probability that they did not experience true salvation and rebirth. All those that accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior are counted righteous in front of God through Christ's sacrifice. Salvation is by God's grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone. Many has a free will to accept or reject this plan of salvation. God does not force anyone to accept His free gift. Those that accept it have eternal life. Those that choose to reject it choose their own destiny, eternal separation from God. God is just in that he will give us what we choose.

Getting back to your robbery analogy, unlike the robber, God is not forcing anybody to do anything against their will. We have complete freedom to accept or reject His plan of salvation. We can choose eternal fellowship with H, or eternal separation from Him. God's plan of salvation is a life raft from our fallen state. We are already lost because we are fallen and our sin nature and free will prevents us from living a sinless life. What god has done, out of love for His creation, is provide a life raft, a way out of our lost position. We do not have to accept it. It is our choice. God respects our free will choice and will honor that choice what ever that may be. That is true love and true justice.
Rather than complain about the life raft, we should be thankful that God loves us enough, and that through His mercy and grace, has provided us with a method of redemption which he had no obligation to do. He did it out of love because God is love.
Finally, you wrote, "I know they want to save us. But lordy, it's hard not to want to save them sometimes. It's tragic."

What do you consider tragic about a person wanting to live a moral life in obedience to a God they believe in? To try to avoid lying, stealing, fornication, the use of profanity, lust, adultery, greed, jealousy, etc. trying to live a life helping the less fortunate in society in an altruistic manner. That is not tragic, it is honorable. In addition, if God did not exist, there would be no absolute higher moral law and morality would be relative to the individual. If evolutionary theory were true, then morals would be relative to the individual and therefore no one would be in a position to object to another person's standard of morality, or "moral evolution". Anything would be acceptable. In fact, many of the qualities I listed above are in opposition to the survival of the fittest premise of evolutionary theory. Evolutionary theory would reward many of those qualities under the survival of the fittest model.

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Comment #167258 by Remnant on April 23, 2008 at 7:32 pm

ROBERT JASTROW, ASTROPHYSICIST and agnostic

1. That there are what I, or anyone would call supernatural forces at work is now, I think, a scientifically proven fact… (Robert Jastrow, "A Scientist Caught Between Two Faiths," Interview with Bill Durbin, Christianity Today, August 6, 1982, p. 18)

2. For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries. (Robert Jastrow, God and the Astronomers, W.W. Norton, New York, 1978, p. 116)

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Comment #167249 by Remnant on April 23, 2008 at 7:18 pm

Re: Comment #167154 by Steve Zara on April 23, 2008 at 5:06 pm

And your comments reveal the reason the public indoctrination system is the cesspool it has become.

America is way down the list in science and math because science and math instruction has been replaced with atheist indoctrination based on bogus and speculative science.

Don't worry, the times...they are a changing!

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Comment #167243 by Remnant on April 23, 2008 at 7:06 pm

Re: Comment #166965 by Steve Zara on April 23, 2008 at 2:11 pm

You, "Quantum theory - specifically Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle - states that something can come from nothing."

Wrong. You are once again confusing causality with predictability. Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle describes our inability to simultaneous predict the speed and location of subatomic particles, for example electrons. It does not prove that the movement of subatomic particles is uncaused. It only describes our inability to predict the speed and location of subatomic particles at any one time. The inability to predict the speed or location of a subatomic particle does not mean that that their movement is uncaused.

It also can be stated as "the more precisely the position of a particle is determined, the less precisely the momentum is known in this instant, and vice versa."

The Law of Causality is the foundation of all science. Science is the search for causes. If you destroy the Law of Causality, you destroy science. Atheists frequently attempt to undermine the Law of Causality. Without causality, reason is impossible. Reason is a cause and effect process. Maybe that is why atheists don't show very much capacity for reasoning skills.

Perhaps you should take your own advice when you said, "The moral here is don't post about science unless you understand it." I hope you do not teach students.

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Comment #167242 by Remnant on April 23, 2008 at 7:03 pm

3568. Comment #167188 by phatbat on April 23, 2008 at 5:44 pm

By the way, your avatar is creepy looking, sort of demonic. Is that you?

You, "So how does funny being taken as ironic (even if it could be ironic in the context you meant it) get you out of the fact you still worship a being that set up the situation of someone here roasting in hell for simply not being able to believe in him. THAT was what lead to the comparison with raping and killing your mum, not the fact you found it funny. The fact you could admit to worshipping a being like that and still feel like you were good because of it."

You know nothing about God. God is good and just. He created man is His image with free will. Man used that free will to disobey God. Man is fallen. All man is sinful. For example, you sinned quite a bit in your post. God is holy and just. He cannot allow sin in His presence for He is Holy. Man is separated from God. God is love. He does not want man to be separated from Him. He loves man so much he sends His only Son to live a sinless life, and die as a propitiation for man's sins. All those that accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior are counted righteous in front of God through Christ's sacrifice. Salvation is by God's grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone. Many has a free will to accept or reject this plan of salvation. Those that accept it have eternal life. Those that choose to reject it choose their own destiny, separation from God. God is just in that he will give us what we choose. End of story.

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Comment #167145 by Remnant on April 23, 2008 at 5:00 pm

Re: Comment #167078 by BillySands on April 23, 2008 at 3:38 pm

You, "Have you jumped off that cliff yet to show that gravity is not real because it is not fully explained?"

Is being a liar a required doctrine of atheism? I never said that gravity did not exist. God created gravity and he also created you with a free will to choose to be honest or to lie. It is obvious which path you chose.

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Comment #167140 by Remnant on April 23, 2008 at 4:55 pm

Re: Comment #167039 by MaxD on April 23, 2008 at 2:59 pm

You, "It should be noted at the outset that not one biologist has ever said that something like a cell arose from chaos at random."

And I never said that they did. Is it a reading comprehension problem, intellectual dishonesty, or a straw man that leads to your misrepresentation of what I wrote?

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Comment #167047 by Remnant on April 23, 2008 at 3:02 pm

Re: Comment #167010 by phatbat on April 23, 2008 at 2:37 pm

I forgot to mention one thing. Why are you ranting about the standards for righteousness of the God you deny? You are a living example of a violation of the law of non-contradiction.

You can't have it both ways.

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Comment #167027 by Remnant on April 23, 2008 at 2:50 pm

Re: Comment #167010 by phatbat on April 23, 2008 at 2:37 pm

You, "And finaly you deserve nothing but hate if you hold to the position that you would find it funny if someone here roasted in a hell for eternity because he just couldn't believe that god exists. And then say that you worship the being that set up the rules that make that happen. Thats like me saying i think the guy that raped and killed your mum is great and thinking i was a good person for it."

I am sorry that you struggle with the word symbolism in the English language. Anyone with a 7th grade education can clearly see that I used the word "funny" as in ironic, not as in laugh, enjoyment,or humor. I'll just chalk it up to the poor quality education in the public indoctrination centers. By the way, if anyone is a sicko, it is you for misunderstanding my use of the word and then twisting it into a bizarre misrepresentation of the truth. Then again, atheists are good at doing that since their religion is devoid of reason and rationality.

Maybe you might want to get those synapses checked. Maybe one or two out of your five are misfiring.

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Comment #167011 by Remnant on April 23, 2008 at 2:38 pm

Re: Comment #166998 by Steve Zara on April 23, 2008 at 2:32 pm

You, "Perhaps you should stop posting, to reduce the evidence for your ignorance."

Should I give you a pass for "the evidence of your ignorance" in your statement and worldview?

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Comment #166999 by Remnant on April 23, 2008 at 2:32 pm

Re: Comment #166971 by Klaatu barada nikto on April 23, 2008 at 2:17 pm

Me, "An accepted first principle of knowledge is that life does not come from non-life."

You, "Scientific origin of life: 1 self-replicating molecule."

Thanks for confirming my assertion that any unproved wild theoretical speculation is accepted as proof for your religion.

Do tell us about the non-existent scientific experiment where single-celled life was created from non-living materials without intelligent intervention.

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Comment #166986 by Remnant on April 23, 2008 at 2:26 pm

Re: Comment #166965 by Steve Zara on April 23, 2008 at 2:11 pm

"The moral here is don't post about science unless you understand it."

You should take your own advice.

Thank you proving my assertion that theoretical speculation that may, you hope, you hope, support your worldview is accepted as "proof" for your religion.

You gotta to love that "science of the gaps" mentality. We'll discover it someday, just abandon your faith in the mean time kids.

What you really might want to worry about is what you might discover when it is too late.

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Ecc 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

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Comment #166948 by Remnant on April 23, 2008 at 2:02 pm

The problem you atheists have is not that you cannot see evidence for a Creator in nature. You refuse to because of the implications.

I seriously doubt that any of you understand how historical evidence is evaluated or if you even understand between forensic science and operational science.

Regardless of whatever evidence is supplied for a Creator, you immediately reject it, even though you cannot provide explanations that are rational. Any evidence or speculation that you can use to support evolution is immediately accepted as fact. As I have told you time and time again that the evidence from cosmology supports the origin of all space, time, energy, and matter from an event that produce something from nothing. This violates the first principle that from nothing, nothing comes. In order to support your naturalistic theory you must violate this principle. The same thing goes for the origin of life. An accepted first principle of knowledge is that life does not come from non-life. The combined probabilities for all of the events that had to happen for a simple cell to spring to life from non life has been calculated as 1 in 10 to the 40,000 power. You just ignore that and speculate that it just happened. Any probabilities that are greater than 1 in 10 to the 50th power is considered virtually impossible. The anthropic principle of fine tuning in the universe, our solar system, and on earth, reveals over 100 factors that if the values were changed even slightly, life would be impossible. I believe that the probabilities of all of these having the correct setting were calculated at 1 in 10 to the 157th power. You have no explanation for this except to attribute it to chance. Chance has no casual power. It is an expression of probability of an event, that is all. You have no explanation other than speculation for existence of the mind, consciousness, morality, irreducible complexity, the language of DNA, etc. You believe order came out of chaos which is in opposition to the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. You reject fulfilled prophecy in Christ, you reject eyewitness testimony from the Bible from martyrs that died rather than recount what they saw with their own eyes. You reject anything in the Bibl e although there is eyewitness testimony and over 25,000 people, places, and events that are referenced in the Bible have been confirmed by archeology. You deny the weakness of the fossil record. You discount the harmful effects of mutations and instead assign them beneficial power. You ignore the fact that if evolution happened by natural selection over time as a result of beneficial mutations, there would be hundreds of thousands of fossils of the creatures that had unfavorable mutations and were eliminated by natural selection. Your limited fossil record for transitional fossils only shows speculative fossils that show positive change yet reveal none of the millions of fossils that should exist for all of the mutations that were surely eliminated by natural selection. The science academy censors debate on the issue. Scientific research that brings evolution into question is censored or ignored. If a scientist dares to express that their research could be explained by ID or a Creator, their career is over. They will be censored, denied tenure, denied grants, refused peer review, etc. This is scientific fascism by the science academy. It is not intellectual freedom. I could go on and on.

The bottom line is that when one's weighs ALL of the evidence, not just selected evidence, in a reasonable rational manner, without a predetermined bias against a Creator, there is far more evidence for a Creator that for neo-Darwinism evolutionary theory of descent and origins. You don't want to consider the evidence. You accept any theoretical speculation that denies a Creator.

When one is seeking the truth, and is reasonable in evaluating all of the evidence, from all disciplines, the most reasonable decision is a Creator God. You won't even allow the debate. True and honest science is the search for causes wherever that may lead. Conclusions in forensic science and historical research of past events that cannot be recreated are based on the preponderance of the evidence. Reasonable individuals that are seeking the truth are willing to evaluate all of the evidence and accept the conclusions wherever it may lead do this. That is why there are numerous scientists and evangelists that were once atheists but became Christian after seeking the truth and evaluating all of the evidence. The scientists have to be careful to keep it a secret and not write about it or they will put their career in jeopardy.

The bottom line is that many atheists do not want the truth because they do not want to be accountable to God and His moral standard. Just as Dawkins says, the faith of evolution allows you to be an intellectually fulfilled atheist. The irony is that God gave you a free will to accept Him or reject Him. Christians are commanded by God to spread the Gospel. You can accept it or reject it. You can't accept this. You have to demean, curse at, and ridicule anyone of faith. In addition, you feel compelled to destroy the faith of other people's children by indoctrinating them in the public indoctrination centers with you theory taught as fact. I personally believe you will pay someday for this. If you want to raise your children as atheists, have at it but how dare you attempt to destroy the faith of other people's children. Christians interact with you out of love and concern for your salvation based on our beliefs. You evangelize out of hate for God.

The funny thing is that one day we will see who is right. If you are right, Christians will be decomposing in a hole next to you. If Christians are right, you are in for a big surprise. Eternity is a looooong time.

In closing, I will say one final thing. If one did not have a strong faith in the truth of God's Word, they could almost believe in de-evolution. The filthy comments, the anger and hate that some of you express against people of faith confirms the 2nd law of Thermodynamics. You are reverting from order to chaos, from civilized behavior to animalistic behavior. If a Christian dares to use Scripture to support their beliefs, you go ballistic yet we are supposed to blindly accept your beliefs unsupported by your "holy book" of atheism. You are the very definition of intolerance. At times Christians may verbally spar with you but you will not find many that resort to filthy comments and harsh demeaning personal attacks. You should be ashamed of yourself. If this is the best that atheism has to offer, it is devoid of decency. You simply confirm the righteous and morality of God's Higher Law, the truth of God's Word and the end result of rebellion to Him.

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Comment #166818 by Remnant on April 23, 2008 at 12:47 pm

Re: Comment #166681 by phasmagigas on April 23, 2008 at 11:30 am

I am sorry if you are logically impaired and did not comprehend the point I was making. Maybe there is a glitch in your evolution.

Perhaps you can find a government program or grant to care for you.

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Comment #166803 by Remnant on April 23, 2008 at 12:39 pm

Comment #166796 by Steve Zara on April 23, 2008 at 12:36 pm

Like I have said, feel free to use your God given free will to believe what ever you want, but be willing to accept the consequences of that decision.

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Comment #166798 by Remnant on April 23, 2008 at 12:36 pm

Re: Comment #166714 by Star Spangled Eagle on April 23, 2008 at 11:48 am

You, "Right. that would make you intellectual dust? or feces?"

Sorry, but according to your beliefs, those would be your ancestors. You are the one that believes in the "from goo, to zoo, to you" theory, not I.

God created man in His image.

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Comment #166786 by Remnant on April 23, 2008 at 12:30 pm

Re: Comment #166721 by Geodesic17 on April 23, 2008 at 11:50 am

You, "I'll respond to your ill-concieved robot analogy later."

I'll be looking forward to your ill-conceived response.

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Comment #166703 by Remnant on April 23, 2008 at 11:41 am

Re: Comment #166690 by Bonzai on April 23, 2008 at 11:34 am

You, "Let's troll him. I already flagged him."

Thank you for confirming the premise of the movie Expelled. Ben Stein is correct. Censorship of opposing thought is your only hope.

What an intellectual infant you are. Waaaaah!

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Comment #166694 by Remnant on April 23, 2008 at 11:38 am

Re: Comment #166684 by Geodesic17 on April 23, 2008 at 11:32 am

You, "If God wanted everyone to have Bible quotes plastered to the inside of their skulls, why didn't he just put them there in the first place?"

God does not want robots. He gave us free will. We have the choice to accept His plan of salvation or reject it. True love requires a free choice.

The ironic thing is that without God, there is no free will. With a creator God, your slime plus time theory of evolution leaves you captive to chemical responses that have "evolved". You are a slave to chemical reactions. You have no free will to make any choices. You become a robot.

enjoy yourself R2D2.

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Comment #166685 by Remnant on April 23, 2008 at 11:32 am

Re: Comment #166596 by Diacanu on April 23, 2008 at 10:25 am

You, "You believe in a pack of fairy tales, and have been indoctrinatesd into a cult, it's as simple as that."

Is that what your pack of fairy tales from your cult indoctrination has led you to deduce?

We'll see whose right someday now won't we.

Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

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Comment #166667 by Remnant on April 23, 2008 at 11:24 am

Re: Comment #166594 by phasmagigas on April 23, 2008 at 10:24 am

Me,"not some atheist called gr8hands on an internet bulletin board."

You, "you sound so charitable, such a nice christian."

The poster uses the screen name gr8hands. True statement

The poster maintains they do not believe God of the Bible or Jesus exists. By definition another true statement.

The exchange took place on an internet board. Another true statement.

Three true statements. Speaking the truth is charity. Perhaps something is awry in your "evolved" synapses or the chemical interactions in your "evolved" brain that is blinding you from recognizing the truth.

Gal 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Tit 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ;
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Tit 2:15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

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Comment #166570 by Remnant on April 23, 2008 at 10:03 am

Re: Comment #166553 by gr8hands on April 23, 2008 at 9:52 am

So little time, so much to do, so many fools to refute.....

You, "No. There is no contemporaneous eye-witness accounts of jesus. No proof. (Josephus was born later, and his jesus comments have been demonstrated to be fraud added centuries later.)"

The vast majority, and I do mean vast majority of Biblical scholars, both secular and religious accept the historicity of Jesus Christ.

The Bible testifies to over 500 eyewitnesses to Christ's resurrection. How many eyewitnesses do you have that state that he did not arise?

Dr. Greenleaf was the Royal Professor of Law at Harvard University. It is well recognized that he was one of the greatest legal minds that ever lived.

He wrote the famous legal volume entitled, A Treatise on the Law of Evidence. This treatise is considered by many as the greatest legal volume ever written.

Dr. Simon Greenleaf believed the Resurrection of Jesus Christ was a hoax. He was determined, to once and for all, to expose the "myth" of the Resurrection.

After thoroughly examining the evidence for the resurrection, he came to the exact opposite conclusion.

He wrote a book entitled, An Examination of the Testimony of the Four Evangelists by the Rules of Evidence Administered in the Courts of Justice.

In this book, he stated," it was IMPOSSIBLE that the apostles could have persisted in affirming the truths they had narrated, had not JESUS CHRIST ACTUALLY RISEN FROM THE DEAD, . . ."
(Simon Greenleaf, An Examination of the Testimony of the Four Evangelists by the Rules of Evidence Administered in the Courts of Justice, p.29).

Dr. Greenleaf concluded that according to the jurisdiction of legal evidence the resurrection of Jesus Christ was the best supported event in all of history!

Dr. Greenleaf was so convinced by the overwhelming evidence; he committed his life to Jesus Christ!

Sorry friend, I'll have to stick with the Bible and true scholars on the topic, not some atheist called gr8hands on an internet bulletin board.

I hope this doesn't hurt your ego and pride too much.

Pro 16:18 Pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.

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Comment #166547 by Remnant on April 23, 2008 at 9:50 am

Comment #166524 by Steve Zara on April 23, 2008 at 9:35 am

I couldn't resist answering this one. No I do have to run but i will be back. tootles!

You,"YouPeople like you are the ones trying to wreck education. You are part of a serious problem."

Thanks for you opinion but I will trust in the Lord and not in your opinions.

Psa 118:8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.

Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

The truth is that people like you are trying to destroy the faith of our youth based on a pack of lies taught as truth. You are part of a serious problem that exists in the public indoctrination centers. Worse yet, you will have an ever bigger problem when you face the Lord on judgment day.

Mar 9:42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.

Mat 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

1 Th 4:6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

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Comment #166529 by Remnant on April 23, 2008 at 9:37 am

Well kids, I must run for today. I'll leave you with this to chew on.

As far as evidence for God, it is overwhelming. You have your free will to ignore it but that doesn't change the truth. Here are just a few.

1. scientific confirmation the origin of the universe coming into existence from a singularity, from nothing as the Bible details.

2. the violation of first principle of cause and effect of the secular origins theory

3. the impossibility of the warm pond theory of amino acid formation

4. the violation of the principle of biogenesis of the secular origins theory of the beginning of life, life from non life

5. the origin of the language of DNA and the intelligence it requires

6. the implausibility of one species evolving into another, macroevolution, which never been observed

7. the circular reasoning of homology, which has never been observed

8. the absence of transitional life forms both today and in the fossil record

9. the Cambrian explosion
10. the development of irreducibly complex organs and biological systems requiring numerous and extremely rare "beneficial mutations" occurring virtually simultaneously

11. the development of human morality

12. the development of human reason

13. the origin of human conscious thought

14. the origin of dark matter

15. the origin of dark energy

16. the violation of the first and second laws of Thermodynamics by the secular theories of the origin of the universe and descent by Darwinism

17. the impossibility of dozens and dozens of finely tuned anthropic principles required for life occurring by random chance

How about all of the evidence for Jesus Christ and the truth of Christianity? The vast majority of scholars, both religious and secular, agree on many of the following points.

1. Jewish religious, cultural, and social life in Biblical times centered around the temple. The Jewish faith, traditions, and temple worship were extremely important to the Jewish people in that historical period and to become an outcast for not-conforming to the communal beliefs and religious teaching was a dreaded event resulting in the loss of status, family relationships, and ability to work or even speak with others in the community. Why did the followers of Christ, Jewish people, risk becoming outcasts from their community?

2. Jesus was an actual historical figure. There is a large body of evidence both religious writers and from secular writers that confirm His existence and followers.

3. Jesus and His disciples were born Jews and trained in the Jewish religion and traditions and received scorn by the Jewish community.

4. Jesus was a teacher that taught high ethical standards, some of which went against Jewish tradition.

5. Jesus claimed to be the Messiah which was offensive to the Jewish religious leaders.

6. Jesus claimed to be God which was considered blaspheme by the Jewish religious leaders.

7. Jesus prophesized his own death and resurrection and is the only religious or world leader to have ever done that.

8. Jesus was hated by the religious leaders for his teachings and extraordinary claims.

9. Jesus was crucified and died from the rigors of crucifixion.

10. Jesus was buried.

11. Jesus´ death initially caused the disciples to despair, lose hope, and retreat into hiding.

12. Jesus' tomb was sealed and heavily guarded by those that persecuted Him.

13. Jesus' tomb was discovered to be empty a few days later.

14. The Romans and Jews did not and could not produce Jesus' body which if they could have, would have ended the Disciples claims of the resurrected Christ and destroyed their evangelistic efforts.

15. The Disciples had real experiences that they believed to be literal experiences of the risen Jesus.

16. The Bible records hundreds of prophecies that were fulfilled, both regarding Jesus' life and places and events.

17. The Bible records over 500 eyewitnesses to the resurrected Christ. If this was untrue, then why did they not speak out and refute the Disciples claims?

18. The Disciples were transformed from doubters who were afraid to identify with Jesus, to bold proclaimers of his death and resurrection, even being willing to die for this belief.

19. The early Disciples had nothing to gain, as in financially, power, status, longevity of life, or protection from prosecution, by choosing to preach the Gospel and indeed had everything to lose instead.

20. The resurrection of Jesus was central to their message and teachings.

21. The resurrection was proclaimed in Jerusalem where Jesus was crucified and where the empty tomb was located.

22. The Christian church was born and grew with Sunday the primary day of worship. Why?

23. James, Jesus´ skeptical brother, was converted by the resurrection. Why?

24. Paul, the great persecutor of Christianity, was converted by the resurrection and abandoned his high position in Jewish society. Why?

25. There were 10 periods of persecution of early Christians under the Roman Emperors Nero (Roman emperor AD 54�"68), Domitian (Roman emperor AD 81�"96), Trajan (Roman emperor AD 98�"117), Marcus Aurelius (Roman emperor AD 161�"180), Septimius Severus (Roman emperor AD 193�"211), Maximinus, Gaius Julius Verus (Roman emperor AD 235�"238), Decius (Roman emperor AD 249�"251), Valerian (Roman emperor AD 253�"260), Aurelian (Roman emperor AD 270�"275), and Diocletian (Gaius Aurelius Valerius Diocletianus, reigned AD 284�"305) and Maximian (reigned AD 285�"305) who governed as emperors together. Why did the Christians choose death rather than recount their belief in Christ?

26. Many early Church fathers and Christians were martyred for their belief in Christ rather than recanting their faith to save their lives.

27. The Christian faith grew and spread rapidly in spite of intense persecution. Christianity spread rapidly throughout the Roman Empire because people noticed that Christians lived a very different and more hopeful life, as compared to the debauchery and hopelessness of pagan Rome. Christianity was a rational choice for people seeking a better life and hope.
28. There have been numerous attempts, by those opposed to the Gospel, to destroy the Word of God as recorded in the Bible throughout history yet it has somehow been preserved.

29. Millions of lives have been changed from despair to hope by Christian faith especially in areas where Christians are persecuted the most. This continues today as studies of evangelization have shown that people come to Christianity because it changes lives and delivers results which atheistic worldviews cannot.
30. Today, Christianity is growing in places like China, North Korea, the Middle East, and other areas where Christians are persecuted the most. This has been the case throughout history.

31. There have been thousands of archeological finds that confirm people, places, and events revealed in the Bible. There has never one single archeological find that refutes the Bible.

When someone chooses to seek God, they will find Him. When someone, with an open mind, looks at all the evidence, there is far more evidence for the existence of God, the truth of Jesus Christ, and the truth of the Bible, than there is against these truths.

When someone has researched these items and has faith in the revealed Word of God in the Bible as the ultimate truth, it is out of love that they want to share these truths to others. God wants that no one should be eternally separated from Him. God loves everyone. Out of love, God authored His plan of salvation for His creation. If you were a scientist and discovered a cure for cancer, should you not share it? Would it be love for you as a scientist to hide this cure from mankind?

God gave every individual a free will to choose to believe Him and have eternal fellowship with him or reject Him and endure eternal separation. That is everyone's choice. I am not trying to "convert" you or take away you free will. I am just spreading the Good News that I am certain is truth. You are doing the same thing when you try to create disbelief in God in others so it is ironic that you would mock those that are relaying a different message.

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Comment #166514 by Remnant on April 23, 2008 at 9:31 am

Comment #166499 by irate_atheist on April 23, 2008 at 9:24 am

You never did answer my question...

What is that you are sitting on when the picture was taken? Or was it a release of greenhouse gas?

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Comment #166507 by Remnant on April 23, 2008 at 9:28 am

Comment #166490 by Steve Zara on April 23, 2008 at 9:16 am
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You, "I assume you, or people you know, have cousins who are still alive? Or don't you mention these transitional forms between families?"

So now different family members are transitional creatures between species.

Boy, and we wonder why our public indoctrination centers have become the intellectual cesspools that they have become.

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Comment #166495 by Remnant on April 23, 2008 at 9:19 am

Re: Comment #166481 by Bonzai on April 23, 2008 at 9:11 am

You, "Then you are not qualified to make comments on God's preferences and way either."

Oh but you are? contradiction

You, "How do you know God prefers lackeys such as yourself rather than people with intellectual integrity?"

logical fallacy argument from authority

You, "You keep quoting the Bible, how do you know it is not a test just to see how gullible some people can be? Are you taking away God's prerogative to lie to limited beings such as yourself for his infinite purpose incomprehensible to finite humans? What is lying to an infinite God?"

Is that the lie you choose to believe?

You, "An infinite being is not qualified to judge us because he can't walk in our shoes."

Is that your ruling as a finite being?

Th rest of your post is irrational speculation.

Logic is not a strong point of yours is it?

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Comment #166483 by Remnant on April 23, 2008 at 9:11 am

Re: Comment #166432 by Steve Zara on April 23, 2008 at 8:43 am

"See my new picture? It is a velvet worm. Largely unchanged in form for over 500 million years, it is a transitional form between worms and arthropods, showing that the idea of "kinds" is nonsense."

I cannot believe you actually wrote that contradicting and self-defeating statement. "largely unchanged over 500 million years"...."it is a transitional form between worms and arthropods".

Get back to me when the transition is complete.
hahahaha

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Comment #166450 by Remnant on April 23, 2008 at 8:53 am

Re" Comment #166426 by Tyler Durden on April 23, 2008 at 8:39 am

"Comments?"

The fall of man and the resulting deterioration of DNA.

See, you think that this world is all that there is.

God is concerned with eternity, you are concerned with the temporal. God did not create man and the universe to endure for eternity. The temporal world is temporary. Eternity is forever.

You are using your finite understanding of God and His plan to judge God. Sorry but man's finite understanding is not capable of "judging" God.

Isa 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Isa 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
Rom 11:34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counselor?
Rom 11:35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
Rom 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory forever. Amen.

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Comment #166430 by Remnant on April 23, 2008 at 8:42 am

Re: Comment #166413 by AllanW on April 23, 2008 at 8:27 am

You, "You fool, you didn't even begin to answer the questions put to you, merely linked to an article. We don't know whether you accept it, accept some of it, accept only 'these' sections etc which is why you were asked to state your answers in your own words."

Get some soap for that potty mouth.

You call me a fool....

Here's what the Bible says about you...

Psa 14:1 ... The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

1Co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
1Co 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
1Co 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
1Co 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
1Co 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
1Co 1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to naught things that are:
1Co 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.

Christ died and arose again. Since you have not arise, sorry but I will go with what Christ says over your feeble and finite thoughts.

148. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #166421 by Remnant on April 23, 2008 at 8:34 am

Re:Comment #166410 by gr8hands on April 23, 2008 at 8:23 am

You, "Remnant:

Numbers 23:22
Numbers 24:8
Deuteronomy 33:17
Job 39:9
Job 39:10
Psalm 22:21
Psalm 29:6
Psalm 92:10
Isaiah 34:7

These all have the word "unicorn" in them -- and all are a mistranslation."

Here is some information that will help you with your intellectual struggles of the flesh.

http://www.bible-history.com/smiths/U/Unicorn/
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v14/i2/unicorn.asp

149. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #166411 by Remnant on April 23, 2008 at 8:24 am

Re; Comment #166397 by epeeist on April 23, 2008 at 8:08 am
You, "Namely, what makes ID science, what does it predict, how can the predictions be tested and falsified, what tests have been made and what were the results."

You, "I have asked you this several times now without receiving an answer."

I have explained that to you. You must have missed it. I am not an advocate for ID. I am a creationist. I have no problem with the theory of evolution being taught in schools as a THEORY, not a fact as it is now represented. I feel that the holes, and they are numerous in this UNPROVEN THEORY, should be presented and discussed openly and students should be informed that there are other theories, such as ID and creationism, and students should be encouraged to do their own research and come to their own conclusions. The problem with the way that evolution is presented is that speculations about the THEORY and evidence that supports the THEORY are presented but evidence that does not support the THEORY is intentionally excluded. To do this is intellectual dishonesty and indoctrination, plain and simple.

Here is an article that discusses some things that relate to my position on the issue.

http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Theory-of-God&id=157268

150. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #166399 by Remnant on April 23, 2008 at 8:09 am

Re: Comment #166388 by irate_atheist on April 23, 2008 at 8:03 am

You, "'tard."

I just have to ask, were you sitting on an "object" when that picture was snapped. It sure looks like it, either that or it reflects a "one smelling their own contribution to green house gasses."

just wondering...