101. Fox News Attacks 'Godless' Free Thought Radio

Comment #78289 by AdrianB on October 12, 2007 at 11:15 am

Now is a good time to recommend Annie and Dan's programme. I never miss it, and podcast it.

The last programme with Hitchens is a good introduction for those that have never heard it.

102. Do you have to read up on leprechology before disbelieving in them?

Comment #71025 by AdrianB on September 17, 2007 at 2:30 pm

Stanford's trump card is his observation that "religion is not primarily about belief, as we understand the word today, but faith." Religion, as he sums it up, "simply isn't about facts." Exactly. I couldn't have put it better myself.

103. Young Muslims begin dangerous fight for the right to abandon faith

Comment #69337 by AdrianB on September 11, 2007 at 12:00 am

As the population from the a Muslim background grows within Europe, it is of the utmost importance that there are more people like the brave Mr Jami.

It must always be stressed that any criticism of the Islamic faith is NOT about race, but it is often used to stuff out criticism. Islam must be criticised from within.

104. The Rise of Atheist America

Comment #68893 by AdrianB on September 9, 2007 at 3:14 am

No question about it. America was founded by Christians. Its very purpose for being was the furtherance of biblical Christianity, according to the Pilgrims and succeeding generations....."This is a Christian nation."

105. We need a more intelligent religion debate

Comment #68558 by AdrianB on September 7, 2007 at 3:26 pm

This is just tedious now. But positive to realise from the repetition of the same Old Thesist arguments that they are on the ropes.

Careful though, people on the ropes can get real dangerous, so it shouldn't be long before they turn to the courts to try and shut us up.

What gets me is that despite the thousands of pro-religious books that we have had to live with over the years, we get 4 or 5 atheist books in a couple of years and without exception ALL the authors are in 'militant atheist' mode.

So once again the real underlying message is, "please please just shut up and don't upset my delusions or I will call you nasty names."

106. Honest Mistakes or Willful Mendacity

Comment #68378 by AdrianB on September 7, 2007 at 3:25 am

Richard Morgan - public debate is a vital part of any democracy, enabling the airing of conflicting ideas/ideologies, usually allowing people to form intelligent opinions after having seen both sides of the case.

107. Like any half-decent atheist, I'm fond of a bit of religion

Comment #67856 by AdrianB on September 5, 2007 at 2:28 am

Listening to the Toynbee tirades one might imagine that this country was in the hands of a latterday Torquemada, or that Thomas Cromwell was once again sending heretics to the rack.

108. What do these atheists understand of religion?

Comment #67600 by AdrianB on September 4, 2007 at 1:29 am

Three cheers for Ella. Hip hip ....

109. What do these atheists understand of religion?

Comment #67339 by AdrianB on September 3, 2007 at 4:46 am

Of the most awesome creations made my man, most were inspired by God – the pyramids, the Blue Mosque in Istanbul, the temples of India, St Paul's Cathedral

110. What do these atheists understand of religion?

Comment #67310 by AdrianB on September 3, 2007 at 3:28 am

Silmarien, you just beat me to it with your comment.

What do these atheists understand of religion?

If the answer for me personally is "not a lot" then what about the years when I was a confirmed, church 8 times a week, blood and body of Jesus, godparent, Christian? Then surely it must have been "not a lot" as well?

111. Mother Teresa's '40-year faith crisis'

Comment #65828 by AdrianB on August 27, 2007 at 1:38 am

Just heard a priest talking about this on Radio 2's "thought for the day."

(About 9:15 this morning on Richard Hammond for those that would like to listen again)

His closing remarks were that the fact that she was plagued by doubt makes her "even more saintly" and it makes her a role model for atheists as well.

Unbelievable!

I guess that the Catholic Church has been sitting on these letters deciding what to do, and it has now decided that it can spin them in a positive way.

This makes the fact that the church has ignored MT's very direct requests to destroy the letters even more unethical.

I really hope the decision to make the letters public ends up biting them on the backside.

112. Rational Atheism

Comment #64813 by AdrianB on August 22, 2007 at 1:09 am

Much as I can imagine many of us not liking this article, to be fair to Shermer I think we can all agree with him on his last point, which I think is the most important one.

As King, in addition, noted: "The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to a distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny. And they have come to realize that their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom."

113. Sleights of Mind

Comment #64653 by AdrianB on August 21, 2007 at 6:44 am

"He's uncanny," Teller said to me .....

That must be a first!

114. Atheists and believers have got religion wrong

Comment #63812 by AdrianB on August 16, 2007 at 1:41 am

NakedCelt - I think that you argue the case better than Mark Steel in his article but (it's that 'but' again) ......

You cannot exempt Richard Dawkins from the criticism because he appeals to people's intelligence; we all know that he is enemy number one.

There is a lot of berating people for their stupidity, but this occurs on both sides of the argument and thankfully not too much from the posters who actually have something to say.

Religion has hundreds of years of protection, and its adherents don't like criticism one bit. Then we have people that may actually be critical of organised religion but really want to believe, and don't want to hear anything that might contradict with their beliefs. What concerns me is that people that should be on our side like Mark Steel, and people in the middle, are more sympathetic to the feelings of the faithful because they get upset at reality.

The trouble is that treading the "don't upset" people line is that it allows the hateful religious apologists to continue with their poison immune from criticism. Furthermore, isn't Mark Steel falling into the same trap as that of those who urged Martin Luther King to be more "moderate" because he was upsetting people?

The other side want us horrible atheists to shut up pure and simple, and there are a number of people in the middle sympathetic to their hurt.

115. Atheists and believers have got religion wrong

Comment #63622 by AdrianB on August 15, 2007 at 5:47 am

If he is to believe in his own logic, then Mark Steel can only conclude that he too is a "militant atheist" or a "militant whatever" since he is a very vocal chap, always telling people how to believe.

116. Atheists and believers have got religion wrong

Comment #63584 by AdrianB on August 15, 2007 at 2:13 am

He has a point, although many here (myself included) will take issue with the use of the term militant.

I'm not trying to convert people, I'm just one of those POF (pissed off faithless). People are free to believe what they like, as long as they leave me alone and as long as their faith is not negative to society as a whole. Unfortunately this is not the case.

I like Mark Steel, and I would guess that he is a non-religious chap, so to hear him use the term militant atheist concerns me. The way I see it the only way we can avoid being called "militant" is to shut up.

I would like to take Mark Steel and Marcus Brigstocke out for a pint!

117. These preachers of hate must be exposed

Comment #63351 by AdrianB on August 14, 2007 at 2:26 am

It must be remembered that most of the undercover reporting was done by a brave young Muslim chap, obviously keen to expose what is happening in his community.

What sort of signal then, is the WMP and CPS sending to the moderate majority in the Muslim community? Are they not reinforcing the fear that some vicims of religious intolerance must be feeling?

118. The Bible's literary sins

Comment #63334 by AdrianB on August 14, 2007 at 1:22 am

My bible classes at school were a happy clappy affair, that involved bread and cheese, readings and singing. The school chaplain was a little bit naughty and let us 15 year olds sample the red wine!

The song we used to sing most often was "Read the bible, the words inside are true and reliable...." with the chaplain on guitar. The tune has been forever etched into my memory.

None of the 20+ school kids (of the total 800+ school population)in those Bible classes ever did read the Bible cover to cover, and we were never really encouraged to do so either, except for that song. We did read some of the nicer passages together though.

119. When did the police start collaring television?

Comment #62953 by AdrianB on August 12, 2007 at 1:02 pm

There is a similar article about this subject in yesterday's Telegraph.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2007/08/11/do1101.xml

Charles Moore of The Telegraph, together with most of the comments there, hold a similar view to that of Andrew Anthony in the above article.

120. They let anybody onto the faculty at Oxford nowadays

Comment #61177 by AdrianB on August 4, 2007 at 3:27 am

Thanks you Veronique for your comments, and Paul for the link to NMcC's comments.

As somebody who has been educated in faith schools, and only became an atheist after leaving school, I struggle with his claim to have been an atheist between the ages of 15 and 18.

It couldn't really be atheism, just a tantrum with his god surely.

My atheism, and I guess most people's, came with the realisation that there is absolutely no evidence. When you have come to that conclusion, there is only one thing that will change your mind, and that is evidence. As I write there is none.

This does not prevent us from the odd spiritual, or even Spinoza type thoughts, but the god that McGrath is the press officer for? Not a chance.

His claim to have been an atheist is a lie.

121. They let anybody onto the faculty at Oxford nowadays

Comment #60810 by AdrianB on August 2, 2007 at 11:28 pm

Everything that I read or hear from this man always includes the phrase "I used to be an atheist....."

Does he really think this gives him some sort of moral high ground. It seems rather childish to keep on repeating this.

Does anybody else think he is just plain lying though?

Lying for God is okay I guess.

122. CNN Debate on Koran in Toilet

Comment #60472 by AdrianB on August 2, 2007 at 2:51 am

I would politely recommend that Ibrahim Hooper puts a Cat Stevens record on, has a cup of tea, and chills out!

:-)

123. God-Fearing People: Why are we so scared of offending Muslims?

Comment #60094 by AdrianB on August 1, 2007 at 1:43 am

Elli, if you ever have the misfortune to stumble across an (even moderate) Islamic website you will have any optimism dashed quite quickly.

I once did a search on something by Richard Dawkins and got a forum on a UK Islamic site which was being, how can I put this, less than polite about Mr Dawkins. There was a thread there where a rather sensible Muslim chap suggested that they became more vocal in their disgust terrorism, and to my surprise he was shouted down 99 to 1 by the other "moderate" Muslims in what I can only describe as arguments from denial. It really did seem that many of these young men believe that the 7/7 bombers were planted by the UK secret services.

I can back this up from personal experience, since my kids are very good friends with the children of a moderate middle-class Muslim family in the area. They are a very nice family, and for this reason I will always remain anonymous on this site. One day my 7-year-old boy comes home from school and tells me that the twin-towers were actually blown up by George Bush. It turns out he was told this by his 7-year-old friend from the Muslim family (I nearly wrote Muslim child!!!), and I thought that I better mention this to his mother. She broke into tears when I told her. It turns out that their oldest son must have poisoned their youngest son. Since moving to big school their teenage son has found religion, ditched all his previous "English" friends, and his schoolwork has suffered. They are very worried about him. How many similar stories are going on in the UK at the moment?

124. The Out Campaign

Comment #59913 by AdrianB on July 31, 2007 at 4:41 am

I think it is right to point out that we can learn a lot from how the gay community has improved it's image and reduced prejudices.

We have got a lot of catching up to do in this respect, so I would like to suggest that we skip the T-Shirts and move straight to the TV sitcom.

Just imagine the comic possibilities of a TV sitcom where an atheist is forced to live with a very religious person? The atheist having to turn the lights on and off, and put the toilet seat down, at the weekend etc.

Let's call it Will and Bruce, or something similar.

What a shame that Douglas Adams is not with us.

125. The Out Campaign

Comment #59890 by AdrianB on July 31, 2007 at 3:09 am

Slightly off topic.

Richard, if you are reading this I am pleased that you have mentioned The Ancestors Tale. It is my favourite book of yours. The God Delusion must have been a doddle to write in comparison. I would be grateful if you could answer something very quickly for me. I saw some video about The Ancestors Tale, in which there briefly featured some animation of the evolution process of certain species. I thought this animation was brilliant, since it showed very quickly how simple, and just plain right, the process of evolution looks. Animated, and speeded up, the process of evolution looks very similar to the development of a growing foetus, only over millions of years rather than a few weeks. If you are reading this could you tell me where I could see this animation?

Slightly on topic.

I bought a CD the other day, and out dropped a flyer inviting me to buy the latest T-Shirt of the band in question. It went straight into the bin. I guess I am similar to many atheists in this respect. I personally avoid brands and labels, especially those where you pay twice as much for something of inferior quality. For that reason I think these T-Shirts would be better without the reference to this site.

However, I do appreciate the need to make our numbers known. Savagemickey's story shows how religious discrimination will eat away at more than just our freedoms if we allow it. I saw a documentary recently about a Christian Yellow Pages in the US to enable Christians to only give there money to fellow Christians for services and goods, whilst having no problem in taking money off the infidel.

126. The hitch in Hitchens' thinking

Comment #58856 by AdrianB on July 26, 2007 at 12:21 pm

It seems that Hedges is following the example of many other theologians in pitching his god as such a slippery concept that it becomes immune to criticism.

Add to that the argument that religion is good because I like it, and you may as well be having an argument with The Black Knight of Monty Python fame.

I am reminded of a talk given by Sam Harris at the Freedom From Religion Foundation conference.

Briefly, let's return to this notion of truth. It is important to point out that even if religion were a reliable incubator of morality, even if religion made people good and even if atheists were evil, this would not be an argument for the truth of any specific religious doctrine. Religion could function like a placebo. Religious beliefs could be perfectly useful, but completely vacant of real content.

This is actually hard to see even for atheists. But it is so easy to see when you change the subject from God to some ordinary phenomenon. Let's say I believe I'm six feet tall. I'm not six feet tall, incidentally, but let's say I maintain that I am, even in the company of people who actually are six feet tall and can see the top of my head. Imagine that when someone asks why I believe this about myself, I said things like, "Well, I'm just happier being taller, more confident. Being taller has made me a better person." What if I said, "Many studies have shown that men who are six feet or taller are generally thought more attractive and get better wages. Are you suggesting I should forego some of those benefits?"

It's clear that there is something wrong with these responses. My argument to you is that someone who believes in God should not be free to say that he believes this because it has made him a better person, because it gives his life meaning, or because he likes going to church on Sundays. Those are not adequate responses. Those are arguments for the truth of any religious doctrine.

127. Borehamwood eruv granted planning permission

Comment #58065 by AdrianB on July 23, 2007 at 8:23 am

Also, those rituals given as examples are followed by choice. Religious rituals are enforced.

Religious and non-religious rituals may be equally ridiculous, but at least the non-religious ones are easily ditched when the time comes.

What makes me laugh about this ritual in particular is what EnsilZah said above:
"If you believe in the all powerful all knowing magic sky-daddy, at least be a little consistent and give him enough brains not to be outsmarted on a technicality."

This was discussed on BBC's Heaven & Earth yesterday. I only caught part of it, but I do worry about people that "worry about how people who come to this ghetto conclusion".

It is plainly obvious that drawing a line around an area, and saying that something is only permissable within it to a certain type of person, is going to result in an increase in numbers of that type of person over the long term.

I'm sorry, but I don't like it one bit.

128. Town Hall Seattle: God Is Not Great

Comment #57214 by AdrianB on July 18, 2007 at 2:59 pm

Just wanted to add that this is well worth watching. It is the best talk that I have heard Christopher Hitchens give, and possibly the best of any of the "unholy trinity".

Blashphemer, I'm not sure if there is a satisfactory answer to your question. There is a forum thread on the subject. In the UK we have pubs.

129. Beyond Belief: Atheism (with AC Grayling)

Comment #57014 by AdrianB on July 18, 2007 at 6:34 am

I caught this at the time since I always make a point to listen to the Beyond Belief programmes.

To be honest this depressed me more than anything else I have read or heard recently. I felt very down after listening to this because it finally brought home what sort of stupidity we are dealing with. So much so that I had to listen again just to remind myself. The reason it saddened me so much was because the panel was made up of intelligent and eloquent people, and yet they still managed to justify their fantasy with claims that there is plenty of evidence for god and a historical Jesus, and atheism is horrible and immoral. The impression was very much that they just want atheism to go away.

Obviously, there is just a large percentage of people that want to believe so much, that when confronted with evidence will just stick their fingers in their ears and go La La La! It makes me just want to throw in the towel.

But then I have to remind myself that the non-religious throwing in the towel, and just getting on with life, is precisely the reason why religions have survived so long. I also have to remind myself that this programme is basically a religious programme, so comes with a programmed bias.

If you think this episode is sad you should listen to the programme on circumcision, it will make you angry:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/realmedia/beyond_belief/beyond_20070108.ram

I would recommend you all give the link a listen, even if just for 10 mins, it will have you all sobbing with despair!

130. LA Church 'agrees abuse pay deal'

Comment #56472 by AdrianB on July 16, 2007 at 12:31 am

To a certain extent I agree with the great teapot. Religion is man-made, and as such is run by men with all the inbuilt weaknesses. But then again I read two paragraphs from Christopher Hitchens book:

In Ireland alone -- once an unquestioning disciple of Holy Mother Church -- it is now estimated that the unmolested children of religious schools were very probably the minority.

"Child abuse" is really a silly and pathetic euphemism for what has been going on: we are talking about the systematic rape and torture of children, positively aided and abetted by a hierarchy which knowingly moved the grossest offenders to parishes where they would be safer. Given what has come to light in modern cities in recent times, one can only shudder to think what was happening in the centuries where the church was above all criticism.

131. A force for evil?

Comment #55130 by AdrianB on July 10, 2007 at 4:41 am

Major Bloodnok, yes "kindness needs no ideology" is nicely put and it would be perfect if he could finish it off with the second part but it doesn't quite work. It does NEARLY work though, and with a bit of thought I'm sure it could be made to.

Any ideas how it could be improved anyone?

.

132. A force for good?

Comment #55078 by AdrianB on July 10, 2007 at 1:11 am

I would go even further than say it's a retreat to a redefined "god is love" nonsense, I would keep it simple by redefining it "god is not god".

133. A force for good?

Comment #55073 by AdrianB on July 10, 2007 at 12:47 am

One of the things I find most intriguing in articles like this one, is the way that theists tell me what I believe. They define their own personal God in such a wishy-washy way that only they can possibly believe in it, and it makes you wonder why they go to Church at all. They tell me about the God that they don't believe in, and yet is preached to 99% of believers every day, and then tell me what sort of atheism I do believe in. When it isn't. They offer a caricature of atheism and then say, there, it's absurd. They always cite the most preposterously extreme non-examples of Hitler, Stalin .....

Brilliant, I am saving this article to remind me what we are up against!

134. Emory Brain Imaging Studies Reveal Biological Basis For Human Cooperation

Comment #54210 by AdrianB on July 6, 2007 at 3:26 am

"This unselfish behavior called "altruism" is almost uniquely a human trait."

BMMcArdle, you beat me to it in highlighting the one line in the article that is false.

135. When is a bishop like a suicide bomber?

Comment #53780 by AdrianB on July 3, 2007 at 5:46 am

Or, in the words of Penn Jillette ..... "he couldn't be more wrong, even if his name was Wrongy Wrong-Wrong"

:-)

136. When is a bishop like a suicide bomber?

Comment #53742 by AdrianB on July 3, 2007 at 2:19 am

I thought this was an excellent article as well.

If somebody is prepared to condone the actions of a vindictive God, then it becomes impossible for that person to then condemn the actions of anybody committing atrocities in the name of a vindictive God.

If the Bishop of Carlisle does claim to find the actions of wannabe suicide bombers in Glasgow wrong, then logically the only possible reasons for them being wrong is that they chose the wrong vindictive God.

137. Floods are judgment on society, say bishops

Comment #53571 by AdrianB on July 2, 2007 at 4:42 am

Intelligent Weather! LOL

It is pleasing to see that IW is a recognised science in the USA, evidenced by the fact that the main Government response to Hurricane Katrina was prayer. Obviously it did not work in this instance, but the science of IW is in its early stages. It needs to be taught in schools, and students need to know that there is genuine debate going on within the meteorological scientific community. Teach the controversy I say.

138. 'Purity' ring case in High Court

Comment #52639 by AdrianB on June 27, 2007 at 3:13 pm

Thanks for the link scottishgeologist. Excellent.

139. 'I have never been happier' says the man who won gold but lost God

Comment #52637 by AdrianB on June 27, 2007 at 3:12 pm

At least he can now see that his world record and gold medals were down to his own efforts, determination and hard work, and be proud accordingly.

140. Messiah

Comment #52478 by AdrianB on June 27, 2007 at 5:31 am

There's a great Penn&Teller Bull**** programme that dubunks the walking on glass or burning coals thing. There are a load of "motivational" courses out there, where people are prepared to take $dollars off others, with life changing promises that you will have the mental strength to say no to pain and be able to walk on glass and burning coals.

Basically, we can all do it. The soles of the feet are quite tough, and no practice is required.(As long as you use burning wood embers, and not real coal which burns at a much higher temp).

So get out there Rachel!

141. 'I have never been happier' says the man who won gold but lost God

Comment #52461 by AdrianB on June 27, 2007 at 4:27 am

I am pleased to see this article about Jonathan Edwards, he always came across as a very nice chap indeed, faith-head, atheist or otherwise. I was wondering what had happened to him since the story about his loss of faith broke, and I did a search on him just last night.

Amusingly, I came across the following:

http://www.aboutlife.com/gazdunn/jonathan_edwards_faith_certain_doubts

Best quote from the above is "I suggest we pray for Jonathan Edwards that he will come back to God and that his blind-faith with return with opened eyes."

I'm sorry but I've just got to say it ..... LOL!

142. Messiah

Comment #52436 by AdrianB on June 27, 2007 at 3:14 am

If a non-pretent pretend psychic like John Edwards can fleece people out of millions today, even with the disadvantages of some media ridicule, just think how powerful they could have been 2000 years ago!

Lucky we've got a few pretend psychics and magic men around, just to remind us how easily we can be duped.

143. Messiah

Comment #52424 by AdrianB on June 27, 2007 at 2:17 am

I have a lot of respect for Derren Brown, and am pleased that the likes him, Penn&Teller, Randi etc are on our side.

I prefer his smaller scale demonstrations to be honest, they show his true talents, and the sad predictability of humans.

A number of years ago, when my daughter was about 6, I used to play "guess which hand it's in" with her. I could always read what she was going to go for next, (4 out of 5 anyway) and I once had a run of 20 that she got wrong. I wouldn't be able to do that to her now, or any other adult, but Derren Brown could.

144. Executive Actions to Promote Religion Ruled Beyond Court Scrutiny

Comment #51923 by AdrianB on June 25, 2007 at 2:50 pm

This is very worrying, and should be read in context with the speech given by Edward Tabash.

145. 'Purity' ring case in High Court

Comment #51735 by AdrianB on June 24, 2007 at 12:17 pm

In fact the more I think about this the more important it is that the school wins the case. Take the following points from BBC News:

The Silver Ring Thing was set up in America in 1996 as a response to the escalating numbers of teen pregnancies in Yuma, Ariz. Teenagers pay a few dollars for a silver ring and a Bible, and pledge not to have sex before marriage. The movement arrived in Britain several years ago.

The U.K. branch of the Silver Ring Thing is based at the Kings Church in Horsham where Playfoot's father, Phil, is pastor. Her mother, Heather, is the company secretary of its business arm. It runs a training program called "The Silver Ring Thing 434."

146. 'Purity' ring case in High Court

Comment #51733 by AdrianB on June 24, 2007 at 11:59 am

Nails, agree 100% with your comments and this is what I was saying earlier in this thread.

Remember, that the uniform rules will have been set by the parents and governers for the perceived benefit of all the children.

What Miss Playfoot and her dad seem to want is religious inspired anarchy. I really hope they fail.

147. 'Purity' ring case in High Court

Comment #51337 by AdrianB on June 22, 2007 at 11:50 am

The real issue for me is as follows.

The parents and governers of our children's school have just come to agree on a dress code. It took many weeks of debating. I was for uniforms because there are instances of bullying about what kids wear, and it would get my kids off to school much quicker without the stress of what they were going to put on that was cool. In the end it decided against uniforms, but that jewellery was not allowed. This was decided by the parents, and we all abide by the rules.

If somebody then decides that the agreed rules are okay for the majority, but not for them, then what point are the rules?

Let me just move this girls reasoning into another example. What if somebody said it is okay to drive at 40mph in a 30mph area because his god says speed is good? Or even worse, what if somebody said it was okay to murder because his religion instructs him to?

148. Atheists: stand up and be counted

Comment #50932 by AdrianB on June 20, 2007 at 1:40 pm

fides_et_ratio, this is very tiresome. You keep saying that the author of this article claims that the Catholic Church teaches creationism. He does not make that claim.

149. Atheists: stand up and be counted

Comment #50834 by AdrianB on June 20, 2007 at 6:32 am

Nice comments newatheist. I agree with regards faith schools, as well as the obvious indoctrination element it is the issue of how the religious get away with discrimination that puzzles me. As I said earlier I pay the same taxes as my Catholic friend/neighbour but we have a choice of 2 schools for our kids, and they have a choice of 4. How can this be?

Fortunately they are currently at a very good non-faith school. What is odd is that this is the school of choice for a number of Exclusive Brethren parents, with about 6 in each year. (I know none of them will be reading this!) Of course their kids are not allowed to eat with the infidel. What is really sad is that my daughter became very friendly with one of the EB girls in her first year until she was told one day that her mother would not allow the friendship. As for all the other faiths in this non-faith school, the kids mix really well.

Your last paragraph makes the same point I was trying to make. Rutherfords article is about atheists needing to stand-up and be counted. Rutherford never mentions creationism being taught in Catholic schools, and yet this is precisely what fides claims and then he accuses atheists of ignoring the facts. Paranoid Catholic? LOL!

150. U.S. circumcision rate drops

Comment #50770 by AdrianB on June 19, 2007 at 11:58 pm

Shuggy, thanks in advance for the links. I will check them out later when I'm not at work.

I suspect the employer's Internet Police might get me with links like that!