101. Science is not philosophy

Comment #199026 by TeraBrat on June 25, 2008 at 5:09 am

No, but now I want to.

Sigh.

My Amazon wish list just got bigger.

102. Science is not philosophy

Comment #198954 by TeraBrat on June 24, 2008 at 9:22 pm

Thanks.

103. Saudi Marriage Officiant : 'It Is Allowed To Marry A Girl At The Age Of One'.

Comment #198952 by TeraBrat on June 24, 2008 at 9:10 pm

Shouldn't the whole institution of marriage be abolished?

Every culture thinks theirs is the right one and everyone else is wrong. It's human nature. I realized that the first time I read "Shogun" when I was a teenager.

104. Science is not philosophy

Comment #198951 by TeraBrat on June 24, 2008 at 9:05 pm

Goldy, I think I asked about that when I was about nine. I wanted to know why it's doctor of philosophy when you didn't study philosphy. I never got a satisfying answer. It was pretty much "that's just the way it is" which means "I don't know".

105. Saudi Marriage Officiant : 'It Is Allowed To Marry A Girl At The Age Of One'.

Comment #198941 by TeraBrat on June 24, 2008 at 8:01 pm

Thanks for the laugh riki.

106. Science is not philosophy

Comment #198939 by TeraBrat on June 24, 2008 at 7:49 pm

moracious1,

You have every right to be a whiner today. I was telling you my experience just to give you some perspective of what it's like to have ONE tooth pulled (it was half embedded but it was still one tooth). I really can't imagine seven...I'm getting shooting pains all over just thinking about it...

107. 'I despise Islamism': Ian McEwan faces backlash over press interview

Comment #198938 by TeraBrat on June 24, 2008 at 7:47 pm

I'm sorry but considering what the Germans were doing unless you can show me proof that's absolute nonsense, propaganda of the sickest kind.

108. Science is not philosophy

Comment #198935 by TeraBrat on June 24, 2008 at 7:32 pm

30. Comment #198923 by mordacious1 on June 24, 2008 at 6:43 pm

Tera

Seven.

YIKES!!!!!

No wonder his face is swollen!!!! Must be in total agony.

I had one wisdom tooth pulled and I was in total agony, NOTHING stopped the pain. I literaly wanted to bang my head on the wall, climb the walls. I lived pretty close to a hospital and at two in the morning I walked over there to see if they had anything better to give me (they didn't). And I'm no woossie when it comes to pain.

It lessened but didn't completely disappear until they took out the stiches. I suspect one of the stiches was rubbing against a nerve end.


I feel for him, I truely do. And for you.

I hope this passes quickly.

109. 'I despise Islamism': Ian McEwan faces backlash over press interview

Comment #198932 by TeraBrat on June 24, 2008 at 7:19 pm

And please don't skip over the Zionist collaboration with the Nazis, as well as 120,000 Jews serving in the German military.

And where does that gem come from?

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Oh and I don't want to hear peep about the Holocaust when we discuss Israel, because Israel allows 40% of Shoah survivors to live below the poverty line, while continuing to receive massive payments from European countries. *Retch*

They are either living in peverty or getting massive payments. Make up your mind. People who get massive payments can't be living in poverty. Poverty implies having no money.

110. Science is not philosophy

Comment #198922 by TeraBrat on June 24, 2008 at 6:43 pm

Do you say "philosphy of science" or "a philosphy of science?"

I know what philosophy is the same way a physicist knows what physics is.

And a religious person,a priest, could say that they know what religion is the way a physicist knows what physics is.

My guess is you'd ridicule them for saying that.

111. Science is not philosophy

Comment #198920 by TeraBrat on June 24, 2008 at 6:22 pm

How many teeth did they pull?

You'll be fine. In about thirty years it'll be all over :-p

112. Science is not philosophy

Comment #198913 by TeraBrat on June 24, 2008 at 5:58 pm

mordacious1,

No big deal. How's the kid doing?

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MPhil,

I have a feeling you don't know what philosophy is.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4TSHB_enUS258US258&defl=en&q=define:philosophy&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title

Definitions of philosophy on the Web:

doctrine: a belief (or system of beliefs) accepted as authoritative by some group or school
the rational investigation of questions about existence and knowledge and ethics
any personal belief about how to live or how to deal with a situation; "self-indulgence was his only philosophy"; "my father's philosophy of child-rearing was to let mother do it"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Philosophy is the discipline concerned with the questions of how one should live (ethics); what sorts of things exist and what are their essential natures (metaphysics); what counts as genuine knowledge (epistemology); and what are the correct principles of reasoning (logic).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy

love of wisdom (Plato)
home.salamander.com/~wmcclain/ev-glossary.html

a study of human morals, character and behavior
www.millicentrogers.org/glossary.htm

"The objects of philosophy . . . are upon the whole the same as those of religion. In both the object is Truth, in that supreme sense in which God and God only is Truth." Logic § 1.
www.class.uidaho.edu/mickelsen/texts/Hegel Glossary.htm

love of wisdom'; rational investigation of theories and principles or knowledge, existence, and conduct.
ablemedia.com/ctcweb/glossary/glossaryp.html

So basically philosophy can be just about anything.

113. Carlin on Religion

Comment #198908 by TeraBrat on June 24, 2008 at 5:27 pm

Thank you George for explaining the meaning of human life (Saving the planet).

114. Saving Us from Darwin

Comment #198812 by TeraBrat on June 24, 2008 at 2:09 pm

You people really aren't any different from fundamentalists. You are as mysoginistic as the most devout Muslim.

Anyone who does not totally follow your narrow minded way of thinking is a douchbag/idiot/fucktard/moron

115. Saving Us from Darwin

Comment #198809 by TeraBrat on June 24, 2008 at 2:04 pm

She was, no doubt, objecting to the people who question her rabid Zionism, and do so assertively.


This logic is shit:

Some Atheists are mean, therefore god.

That's not at all what I said. You are lying.

116. Saudi Marriage Officiant : 'It Is Allowed To Marry A Girl At The Age Of One'.

Comment #198798 by TeraBrat on June 24, 2008 at 1:51 pm

There's no point in having sex with a girl before she's begun having menstrual periods - no reproduction possible. And age of menarche was significantly higher 1500 years ago, due largely to nutritional deficiencies. Age of marriage has also varied quite a lot in different societies; I do not know what the average age was in Arabian societies in Muhammad's lifetime, but for instance in much of medieval Europe marriage did not occur until well into the 20s for both men and women - hardly adolescence. All of which is as much to say that any justification of such an early marriage age is hogwash.

Good points. I was thinking that somegirls do start to menstruate early and in older civilizations marriages were arranged or consumated as soon as this happened. Not just Islam. Girls in China were either married off or sold as early as possible. Many societies had older men marrying young girls. I figured they at least waited until she had her first period.

I'm not excusing this law in the least. Arranged marriages should not be enforced no matter what their age is.

BTW men are often hurt by this too. Don't forget that the men a re arranged into th emarriage as much as the woman is. They aren't always happy with what they get either. Although in Islam it's less of an issue for them because they hae so many more rights than women do. Bottom line. Forced marriages should be obsolete.

117. Should We Rid The Mind of God? A Debate

Comment #198676 by TeraBrat on June 24, 2008 at 11:03 am

Teratonis,

I was being sarcastic.

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Steve,

This was the first time I ever heard either of them debate. I paid more attention to the style than the content. Objectively speaking without knowing them and without paying attention to what they actually say (which is what moat people do) McGrath won hands down.

You have a preconceived bias that colors what you saw and heard.

It's natural, I'm not picking on you.

118. Saudi Marriage Officiant : 'It Is Allowed To Marry A Girl At The Age Of One'.

Comment #198666 by TeraBrat on June 24, 2008 at 10:56 am

Way back when when human life expectancy was much much lower and most people did not get an education it made sense for them to get married and start having children as early as possible from a reproductive AND evolutionary point of view. The longer you waited the less chance you had to pass on your genes. I'm quite sure most people married at adolescence in those days.

The problem is that the world has changed and life expectancies are higher and the world is overpopulated so you don't want to have a dozen children and would need a really good job to feed and cloth them. These people are still stuck in the mindset of the prophet Muhammed who lived about 1500 years ago.

Yup it's a problem.

119. 'I despise Islamism': Ian McEwan faces backlash over press interview

Comment #198634 by TeraBrat on June 24, 2008 at 10:27 am

What about this Rabbinical council that has official status and determines marriages and citizenship?

That's been in place since the founding of the state. Personally it doesn't bother me, I'd want a Jewish ceremony anyways (not sure why but I do). In any case it has no affect on people of other faiths who live in Israel only Jews.

It's a tiny country and there are so many Jews that it makes sense to limit entrance to Jews and their families. It's one of the more crowded countries in the world and most Jews aern't there. If a catastrophe like Hitler happens again there needs to be room for the Jews who need to get away. The world made it quite clear in WWII that we cannot count on them.

The world also made it clear that no matter what we will be considered Jews. The Jews in Germany that were secular and had assimilated were treated the same as the religious Jews.

120. 'I despise Islamism': Ian McEwan faces backlash over press interview

Comment #198604 by TeraBrat on June 24, 2008 at 9:44 am

Religion is not quantum physics. Religion has never been nor ever will be anything deep or intellectually challenging which would need years of research to *understand*. You might need to spend years to read the heaps of religious books to know the history or the culture but it would only take five minutes to realize Judaism is yet another primitive dogmatic false collection of myths and irrelevant legends.

I agree that there are a lot of myths and legends in Judaism but it has very little dogma in it. Until you've studied the Talmud you can't begin to get an appreciation of how complicated Judaism actually is. And this has nothing to do with god and everything to do with humanity. You can despise and put down religion and I can't say a word about Christianity because beyond the Spanish Inquisition and that Jesus is supposed to be the son of god out of the virgin Mary I know nothing about Christianity. But I do know a lot about Judaism.

I did not feel lied to or cheated when I realized god doesn't exist. I was never told not to ask questions growing up. My father is an engineer, my mother has a degree in history and we talked about everything from physics to biology to history to geography to philosphy. There was no subject that could not be brought up for discussion and I was never told not to ask questions either at home or at school.

I have no bias against my religion because I don't feel that it ever held me back in any serious way. My parents and teachers taught me what they believed. I recieved both a religious and secular education. The classes were seperate. Religion was never confused with science. I have no problem with anyone who chooses to follow Judaism as long as I am free to do as I please.

I do object to the attempts of some ultra orthodox groups to impose religious law in Israel but they are the minority.

121. Evolutionarily Preserved Signature Found In The Primate Brain

Comment #198589 by TeraBrat on June 24, 2008 at 9:24 am

Homosexuality is natural occurence. It occurs in the animal kingdom and there's nothing to "fix". In fact I think it's a good thing. There's a reason for it or it wouldn't exist.

122. 'I despise Islamism': Ian McEwan faces backlash over press interview

Comment #198581 by TeraBrat on June 24, 2008 at 9:17 am

We've already discussed Baruch Goldstein. Go back and read it.

123. Science is not philosophy

Comment #198576 by TeraBrat on June 24, 2008 at 9:14 am

I doubt it mordacious. Not all scientists are evolutionary biologists. I work with scores of scientists and I haven't done a poll, but, from observations I'm guessing quite a few of them believe.

I think there's a big diference between the US and Euroupe. The author was probably quoting a US number.

124. 'I despise Islamism': Ian McEwan faces backlash over press interview

Comment #198570 by TeraBrat on June 24, 2008 at 9:06 am

can also agree that in modern Judaism nothing is taken at face value and that in modern Judaism they are not trying to conquer the world(as opposed to converting it).

Wrong again.

Judaism is not only disinterested in converting the whole world it actually discourages it. Why not try a little exercise. Go to a nearby synagogue and tell the Rabbi you want to convert to Judaism and see what answer you get. My guess is that you will get a serious lecture trying to dissuade you from converting to Judaism. People who covert to Judaism are put through a lot before they are allowed to actually convert. It can take years and they are free to stop at any time. Judaism really isn't interested in converting the world.

125. 'I despise Islamism': Ian McEwan faces backlash over press interview

Comment #198553 by TeraBrat on June 24, 2008 at 8:44 am

If Israel were to have its wet dream of annhialating everyone else in the region(no doubt with lots of blood and gore) what do you think would follow? I have a hard time seeing them just sitting there soaking up the rays. Again, not a debate, just curious as you are the more learned on the issue.

Where do you get this BS from? Israel has no desire to annihalate anyone. If we did we would have already done it. And believe me we could.
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When looking at the Tanakh and Qu'ran I see few differences save choice of wording.

Have you read all the commentaries, and the commentaries on the commentaries? Have you any understanding of Kabala? Do you have any real understanding of anything Judaism is about?

From everything I've heard you say the answer is no. I'm not religious. I don't believe in god, but, I was raised religious, I learned the religion and I can tell you that you know and understand nothing about it. NOTHING in the Tanach is taken at face value by Judaism. Unless you have studied Judaism very carefully for YEARS, you have no understanding of it. And even after years of study you have a rudimentary basic understanding like I have. Judaism is not Islam and not Christianity. One of the major fundamental differences is that Judaism is not concerned with converting the whole world to Judaism.

126. Blind Faiths

Comment #198498 by TeraBrat on June 24, 2008 at 6:34 am

al, you're not paying attention to the differences. We were forcibly removed and they left.

As for the religious ties. HAHA! The zionist movement was started by secularists. The state was built by secularists. Ben Gurion did agree to enforce Jewish law in the state when it came to marriage and divorce. Those are the only religious laws and they only bind the Jewish citizens.

The religious Jews never tried to return to Israel because they believe god will do it for them. Most of the Ultra Orthodox Jews think the State of Israel is an abomination.

You could not be more wrong al.

Now I really have to get going.

127. 'I despise Islamism': Ian McEwan faces backlash over press interview

Comment #198493 by TeraBrat on June 24, 2008 at 6:25 am

al,

Do you think we are stupid? Do you think we survived 60 years surrounded by hundreds of millions of murderous Muslims because we are stupid?

A few facts you may not be aware of.

1. The Yishuv fought in WWII. They volunteered to the British Army and the "Jewish Brigade" was formed and was sent to north Africa to fight the Italians. The Arabs supported the Germans.

2. During the first gulf war when the scuds were falling on us, the US asked us not to do anything and just take it. We did it and you have no idea how hard it was, but, we did it anyways. Shamir was very heavily critisized. Our men are not used to sitting around and doing nothing while bombs are falling on their women and children. The tension in the country was palpable. But there were no riots, no attacks, no terror.

3. The US gives plenty of money to the Palestinians too. The Mossad warned the CIA before 9/11 that a big attack on the USA was in the works. We were as horrified as the USA when it happened.

The Palestinians were dancing singing and cheering.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knpPkxFtLDc

We stand by the US and the western world, they want to see the US destroyed along with all the other fundamentalist Muslims.

I have dual citizenship. My parents, brothers, nieces and nephews, most of my aunts uncles and cousins all have dual citizenship. Israel has never underminded the US. You cant say the same about the Muslims, including Palestinians.

So Vin says Jews are always at fault, you say never. What invaluable contributions.

Pay attention al. I was responding to advotecus.

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I have to get going.

128. Should We Rid The Mind of God? A Debate

Comment #198483 by TeraBrat on June 24, 2008 at 6:00 am

Goldy,

Very few people want to think. Ignorance is bliss.

Inferno,

Very few people listen very carefully to both sides. McGrath is animated and flows while Atkins is somwhat dry and hesitant, especially in the Q& A portion. Public speaking is an art. McGrath is a natural, Atkins isn't.

I'm going to stress again, who is right usually doesn't matter because that tends to be subjective. Unless you are "on the fence" you are not going to be swayed either way. Most people are naturally drawn to the more charismatic speaker. American politicians win elections on this factor. It's very important.

129. 'I despise Islamism': Ian McEwan faces backlash over press interview

Comment #198479 by TeraBrat on June 24, 2008 at 5:50 am

Had your "nation" not instigated most if not all of what it is currently getting I'd say by all means fight back. But given the circumstances the only amount of compassion I can muster for you people is, you've made your bed now lay down in it.

You say that to us but don't say that to them.

Very interesting.

As usual only the Jews are at fault.

This has nothing to do with the Arabs or the British or anyone else. Very interesting perceptions.

130. Did pre-big bang universe leave its mark on the sky?

Comment #198477 by TeraBrat on June 24, 2008 at 5:41 am

Though I think the evidence is more in favor of "the big freeze" with the discovery of the increasing speed of expansion.

What if they are both right? What if universes do increasingly speed up with expansion and then...

What if our universe collides with another universe, what would happen then, would they pass through each other like a galaxy.

What if two universes collide which sets a contraction in motion that leads to the singularity reforming and a new Big Bang.

Scientists predict that the Milky way is on a collision course with Andromeda. If two galaxies can collide why not two universes?

Just my ramblings, no proof.

131. Carlin on Religion

Comment #198421 by TeraBrat on June 23, 2008 at 9:27 pm

Someone on another forum I'm on put this together.

I would never want to be a member of a group whose symbol was a guy nailed to two pieces of wood.

-- George Carlin

I credit that eight years of grammar school with nourishing me in a direction where I could trust myself and trust my instincts. They gave me the tools to reject my faith. They taught me to question and think for myself and to believe in my instincts to such an extent that I just said, "This is a wonderful fairy tale they have going here, but it's not for me.
"
-- George Carlin, in the New York Times, August 20, 1995


Religion: If this [word] offends you, welcome to the world of sane and realistic critical thought. More harm has been done to the collective human psyche by religion than by all the fucking and cocksucking since the dawn of time. By the way, many religious people (including the ordained) fuck and suck each other's cocks all the time.

-- George Carlin, from the language warning sequence introducing the his website, www. geogrecarlin. com, that existed in late 2001 and early 2002

Instead of school busing and prayer in schools, which are both controversial, why not a joint solution? Prayer in buses. Just drive these kids around all day and let them pray their fuckn' empty little heads off.

-- George Carlin, Brain Droppings

George CarlinI'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.

-- George Carlin (attributed: source unknown)

We created god in our own image and likeness!
-- George Carlin (attributed: source unknown)

I finally accepted Jesus -- not as my personal savior, but as a man I intend to borrow money from.

-- George Carlin, Brain Droppings

I've begun worshipping the Sun for a number of reasons. First of all, unlike some other gods I could mention, I can see the Sun. It's there for me every day. And the things it brings me are quite apparent all the time: heat, light, food, a lovely day. There's no mystery, no one asks for money, I don't have to dress up, and there's no boring pageantry. And interestingly enough, I have found that the prayers I offer to the sun and the prayers I formerly offered to God are all answered at about the same 50-percent rate.

-- George Carlin, Brain Droppings

Here's another question I've been pondering -- what is all this shit about angels? Have you heard this? Three out of four people belive in angels. Are you fucking stupid? Has everybody lost their mind? You know what I think it is? I think it's a massive, collective, psychotic chemical flashback for all the drugs smoked, swallowed, shot, and obsorbed rectally by all Americans from 1960 to 1990.
Thirty years of street drugs will get you some fucking angels, my friend!
-- George Carlin (attributed: source unknown)

What about Goblins, huh? Doesn't anybody belive in Goblins? You never hear about this. Except on Halloween and then it's all negative shit. And what about Zombies? You never hear from Zombies! That's the trouble with Zombies, they're unreliable! I say if you're going to go for the Angel bullshit you might as well go for the Zombie package as well.

-- George Carlin, You Are All Diseased

I don't have any beliefs or allegiances. I don't believe in this country, I don't believe in religion, or a god, and I don't believe in all these man-made institutional ideas.

-- George Carlin, quoted from Reuters / Variety "Notable Quotes" for April 25, 2001

I have as much authority as the Pope, I just don't have as many people who believe it.

-- George Carlin, Brain Droppings

This is a little prayer dedicated to the separation of church and state. I guess if they are going to force those kids to pray in schools they might as well have a nice prayer like this: Our Father who art in heaven, and to the republic for which it stands, thy kingdom come, one nation indivisible as in heaven, give us this day as we forgive those who so proudly we hail. Crown thy good into temptation but deliver us from the twilight's last gleaming. Amen and Awomen.

-- George Carlin, Saturday Night Live

The two big mistakes were the belief in a sky god -- that there's a man in the sky with 10 things he doesn't want you to do and you'll burn for a long time if you do them -- and private property, which I think is at the core of our failure as a species. That's the source of my indignations, my dissatisfactions, however it comes out on the stage. I feel betrayed by the people I'm part of, these creatures, these magnificent creatures.

-- George Carlin, Orange County Register, March 1997

We use up words like "spiritual" so fast in this culture. Twenty years ago "spiritual" had a distinct meaning. But now there's a lot of jack-off thinkers who just love to talk about the spiritual. And there is a lot of bogus -- is "bogosity" a word? It should be -- a lot of bogosity in these spiritual seekers. So you have to find another way to express it. I just call it "how I fit.
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-- George Carlin, Orange County Register, March 1997

George CarlinIn the Bullshit Department, a businessman can't hold a candle to a clergyman. 'Cause I gotta tell you the truth, folks. When it comes to bullshit, big-time, major league bullshit, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims: religion. No contest. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told.

Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man -- living in the sky -- who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do.
And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!
But He loves you.

He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullshit story.
Holy Shit!
-- George Carlin Politically Incorrect, May 29, 1997

You know who I pray to? Joe Pesci. Joe Pesci. Two reasons; first of all, I think he's a good actor. Okay. To me, that counts. Second; he looks like a guy who can get things done. Joe Pesci doesn't fuck around. Doesn't fuck around. In fact, Joe Pesci came through on a couple of things that God was having trouble with. For years I asked God to do something about my noisy neighbor with the barking dog. Joe Pesci straightened that cock-sucker out with one visit.

George Carlin I noticed that of all the prayers I used to offer to God, and all the prayers that I now offer to Joe Pesci, are being answered at about the same 50 percent rate. Half the time I get what I want. Half the time I don't. Same as God 50-50. Same as the four leaf clover, the horse shoe, the rabbit's foot, and the wishing well. Same as the mojo man. Same as the voodoo lady who tells your fortune by squeezing the goat's testicles. It's all the same; 50-50. So just pick your superstitions, sit back, make a wish and enjoy yourself.

And for those of you that look to the Bible for it's literary qualities and moral lessons; I got a couple other stories I might like to recommend for you. You might enjoy The Three Little Pigs. That's a good one. It has a nice happy ending. Then there's Little Red Riding Hood. Although it does have that one X-rated part where the Big Bad Wolf actually eats the grandmother. Which I didn't care for, by the way. And finally, I've always drawn a great deal of moral comfort from Humpty Dumpty. The part I liked best: "and all the king's horses, and all the king's men couldn't put Humpty together again." That's because there is no Humpty Dumpty, and there is no God. None. Not one. Never was. No God.

-- George Carlin (attributed: source unknown)

If this is the best God can do, I'm not impressed.

-- George Carlin, Napalm & Silly Putty (2001)

I think it's the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.

-- George Carlin, appearing on A&E Biography

132. Should We Rid The Mind of God? A Debate

Comment #198420 by TeraBrat on June 23, 2008 at 9:19 pm

Ihunt3,

If you're religious it's easy. You're here to amuse and entertain god because even though he is so unbelievably all powerful and can create the most complex things with the snap of a finger, he's bored. In a nutshell you're gods' toy. And that's why we aren't immortal, all petulant children need to be able to break their toys and recieve new ones.

133. Should We Rid The Mind of God? A Debate

Comment #198412 by TeraBrat on June 23, 2008 at 8:06 pm

This is disturbing. McGrath is a very good charismatic speaker while Atkins is a bit "blah" in his speech mode. I'm not saying McGrath is right, but, a lot of people are won over by charisma.

134. 'I despise Islamism': Ian McEwan faces backlash over press interview

Comment #198386 by TeraBrat on June 23, 2008 at 5:27 pm

The British decided in 1920 to open the country to Jewish immigration and that was their reaction.

135. Sea floor records ancient Earth

Comment #198385 by TeraBrat on June 23, 2008 at 5:25 pm

Bicycleman,

There's also the evidence from the sea floor itself. The earths magnetic field reverses every (I can't remember how many thousand years), the ocean floor holds evidence of the ridges and subduction zones because in some places you'll have one extreme polarity or the other and in other places you'll have none. The lack of polarity is the result of two oposing polarities sitting on top of each other and canceling each other out. On the other hand sometimes you'll get fresh magma with the same polarity overlaying old volcanic material and then the polarity is strong. If you're really interested in this why don't you go to the library and check out a geology book. Most basic geology books aren't too hard to understand.

136. 'I despise Islamism': Ian McEwan faces backlash over press interview

Comment #198380 by TeraBrat on June 23, 2008 at 5:09 pm

vinelectric,

I laughed because I used to listen to the news in English from Jordan all the time and they constantly quoted Al Jezeera.

I know what the other side has to say.

137. 'I despise Islamism': Ian McEwan faces backlash over press interview

Comment #198366 by TeraBrat on June 23, 2008 at 4:21 pm

So we;re supposed to put up with all terrorism and do nothing about it. "Turn the other cheek"? Do you believe for a minute that we would still be around if we didn't fight back? Do you believe for a minute that a single Jew would still be alive if the situation was the opposite?
The obstacles to peace between Israel and the Palestinians is the same obstacle to peace between Islam and the rest of the word. Funtamentalist terrorist Islam. Have we made some mistakes? Absolutely. Have there been rogue instances where atrocities occured? Absolutely, there is no such thing as a society with NO bad people in it. Are we the murderous terrorists so many people including yourself try to call us? Absolutely not. If there was anyway we could trust the "Palestinians" and the rest of the Muslim world we would have retreated back to 1948 a long time ago. That doesn't seem to be the case. Why is it that Islam can be such a threat to the rest of the world, yet you cannot see what's happening in the Middle East?

I've posted this before.

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism- Obstacle to Peace/Palestinian terror since 2000/Suicide and Other Bombing Attacks in Israel Since.htm

This does not include all the shootings, stabbings, kidnappings and torture. look through the other links to find those. And the difference is that we do everything we can to minimize our casualties while the Palestinians do everything they can to increase theor casualties. After all every child who dies died fighting a Jihad and goes to heaven.


I believe Fanusi mentioned the fact that the Palestinians have admitted that they deliberatley victimise themselves. I'll find the wuote for you when I get home. I'll be back here in about an hour. If you can admit to that and to the massacres in the 1920's we can start to talk.

138. 'I despise Islamism': Ian McEwan faces backlash over press interview

Comment #198359 by TeraBrat on June 23, 2008 at 4:06 pm

Vaal,

Can you imagine if the Islamist idiots are in charge in Egypt

They are getting stronger every day in Egypt.

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Vinelectric,

Can you blame me for being cynical? Go reread your comments on the Einstein post.

139. Blind Faiths

Comment #198355 by TeraBrat on June 23, 2008 at 4:01 pm

so you are defending gross acts of terrorism and any number of attrocities known to humankind

What acts of terrorism? Be specific please, don't just throw out "acts of terrorism".

Why don't you read this.

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism- Obstacle to Peace/Palestinian terror since 2000/Suicide and Other Bombing Attacks in Israel Since.htm

And that doesn't include, shooting, stabbing. kidnapping and torture. Are we supposed to turn the other cheek and just let it happen? Why is the rest of the world allowed to fight terrorism and we are not?

Were your ancestors forcibly thrown out of Africa like mine were? Were your ancestors persucuted and murdered and ethnically cleansed like mine were? We were thrown out of that land twice. this is not the first time we are returning there. The British were in control of that land after WWII. They promised it to us to build a new homeland. The Arabs ran away and now they are trying to turn the tables on us by calling us terrorists. Learn some history before you throw out meaningless accusations and slander.

140. Blind Faiths

Comment #198331 by TeraBrat on June 23, 2008 at 3:14 pm

Vaal,

Jews can be ignorant too. Jesus was Jewish. I'm quite sure that he never meant to start a new faith either.

Sorry, I think I forgot to close the bold tag.

141. 'I despise Islamism': Ian McEwan faces backlash over press interview

Comment #198330 by TeraBrat on June 23, 2008 at 3:11 pm

If Israel somehow manages to establish ties with Syria as it did with Jordan/Egypt then Hizbollah will be weakened. Sudan can no longer afford to commit itself to political Islam (Sharia constitution) thanks to the USA sponsored peace process with the Christian/Animist South.

So you want us to do the dirty work for you while you stab us in the back? What about the Sharia law the Paestinians want to enforce when they get their autonomy and *in their dreams* throw us into the sea.

Israel will do everything it can to weaken Hizbolla AND Hammas AND the Islamic Jihad and any other fundamentalistic terror gruop that threatens her existence. A little support would be helpful.

142. Blind Faiths

Comment #198327 by TeraBrat on June 23, 2008 at 3:05 pm

Naked Celt,

"Continual Jewish presence"? Yes, but so what? So what if there have always been people in the Holy Land who happened to have the same beliefs as another bunch of people in Russia or Spain? Why does that mean the people in Russia or Spain have the right to take land off people in the Holy Land who don't happen to share those beliefs?

This has nothing to do with belief and everything to do with historic ties. My grandmothers family has lived in Jerusalem much much longer than any Palestinian has. Virtually every Jew alive, unless they converted or both their parents are converts have relatives who have lived in Israel for well over 3,000 years. We were to weak to reclaim what was taken from us by force and did our best tolive in other countries even though we were persecuted and murdered. That does not mean we gave it up. We did not leave of our own free will we were forced out and not allowed to return.

You may try to claim that we are doing the same thing to the Palestinians but it's very different. They have a homeland to go to, it's called Jordan. Fanusi was 100% percent right when he said that Palestinians are Jordanians. And if they were in Israel for 1800 years, that's still half the time we were there and it was still our land that was taken from us by force beforehand.

Would you really prefer to have another fundamentalistic Muslim state instead of a democracy over there? Israel is fighting your war. Israel is a modern democratic country with no aspirations to spread religion to the rest of the world. Evne if Israel were 100% ultra-orthodox we would not be spreading Judaism because Judaism is not a missionary faith. Judaism is only concerned with Jews. So if I'm not concerned about Jewish "fundamentalist", and I'm a Jewish atheist, what are you whining about?

143. Blind Faiths

Comment #198316 by TeraBrat on June 23, 2008 at 2:47 pm

al-rawandi,

I get touchy because whenever I criticize Jews or Israel someone throws out the "anti-semitism" card.

Did it ever occur to you that we might be touchy after 2,000 years of every bad thing that ever happened to anyone in the world being our fault?