1551. That's it. Texas really is doomed.

Comment #185942 by al-rawandi on May 29, 2008 at 7:13 am

FightingFalcon,







Another expert (Edourad) on America who hasn't bothered to read much about the America envisioned by the Founding Fathers, and enumerated in the consitution.


Liberty was to be paramount, above all else. I appreciate that and I like it. And yes, people were expected to be ultra-responsible for their own lot. As the colonists were ultimately responsible for their own lot in a new land.

Of course your opponent uses "Libertarian" in the benighted pejorative fashion oh so common to the self flagellating left in America. Of course he doesn't understand what Libertarian means, it means (as I no doubt will have to explain many things to him, I might as well start now) that people are to be protected from centralization of power. This can be in the form of government, or corporate monopolies. The exact problem with the US government is that it has seized power, not ever relinquishing it.


What your dear friend does not understand is that no government that I can think of, in all of history, has ever claimed for itself a power that it later relinquished. Power flows one way, making that a slack tide is precisely the goal of Libertarianism. I can understand his position on health care, and I share it.... But let's do a thought experiment:


If you (the govt.) give uninsured people the amount of cash necessary to buy insurance, would they purchase the insurance? Or would they purchase malt liquor? That is the question you have to ask, how much of a priority is health care to the people who "desperately need it"?


One has to answer this for themselves before they thunder on about the evil American private health care system. And let's not forget that the ultra-capitalist model in the US (in terms of health care and pharma) is what provides the drugs that other governments subsidize for their own people. If that goes away here, you can kiss medical innovation good bye.

1552. Mark Steyn vs. the 'Sock Puppets'

Comment #185934 by al-rawandi on May 29, 2008 at 6:53 am

SJK,











I wrote a huge response, and fucking lost it to the ether of the ass hole internet.


Anyhow, the gist was that Steyn is right. We need to build societies from the ground up. We can't show up and patch things together and say "Voila, democracy."


There is no wonder that India is a flourishing democracy, an economic powerhouse, and a pluralistic society while the Arab world is a pile of dictatorships, unable to achieve in the smallest tasks.


These countries use Israel as an "enemy" to distract their populations from real issues at home. So Steyn is absolutely right. And I don't see where he said he wants "Arabs to die."

1553. Car dealership advert tells atheists to 'shut up'

Comment #185926 by al-rawandi on May 29, 2008 at 5:51 am

Has anyone actually been to Mojave.






Once you go to Mojave, you will realize that being there is more punishment than we could ever hope to mete out to such fucktards.



If you were going to give the US an enema you would put the hose in Mojave.

1554. That's it. Texas really is doomed.

Comment #185780 by al-rawandi on May 28, 2008 at 2:02 pm

Teratornis said,

Anyone who continues to use motor vehicles does not care about birds.

I laughed pretty hard when I saw this. I have an analogy....




Anyone who eats cupcakes... hates trees!

1555. Car dealership advert tells atheists to 'shut up'

Comment #185769 by al-rawandi on May 28, 2008 at 1:26 pm

Dr.Benway,






That was really funny.



Friday is assless chaps night!

1556. Mark Steyn vs. the 'Sock Puppets'

Comment #185755 by al-rawandi on May 28, 2008 at 12:44 pm

gr8hands,







Made my day buddy. Thanks!


I was having a rough week.


P.S. I was being serious, I do appreciate the compliment. Colwyn, I am American, so we don't have such a council, yet....

1557. Mark Steyn vs. the 'Sock Puppets'

Comment #185749 by al-rawandi on May 28, 2008 at 12:35 pm

righton,








I am looking for my High School football photos now. Hopefully we can get something intimidating.

1558. Mark Steyn vs. the 'Sock Puppets'

Comment #185741 by al-rawandi on May 28, 2008 at 12:11 pm

huzonfurst,








Show me one neo-fascist comment I made. And please provide a link.


I was thinking you were a special education student from Arkansas.... Jury is out.

1559. Mark Steyn vs. the 'Sock Puppets'

Comment #185713 by al-rawandi on May 28, 2008 at 10:46 am

Colwyn,





Better than the "piss on me" part?

1560. Mark Steyn vs. the 'Sock Puppets'

Comment #185703 by al-rawandi on May 28, 2008 at 10:24 am

Hahaha:





"Do you see this? Wreck it!"

1561. Mark Steyn vs. the 'Sock Puppets'

Comment #185696 by al-rawandi on May 28, 2008 at 10:11 am

aprilmb,



No!



But I did fuck her in the ass.... hard:


http://ifuckedanncoulterintheasshard.blogspot.com/

1562. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #185676 by al-rawandi on May 28, 2008 at 9:47 am

MaxD,






A few more gems:

Israeli soldiers shoot unarmed women. You can actually see the bodies hitting the ground as live rounds impact the crowd of women.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RZpPGP3IpD8



Shooting into a cameraman's lifeless body.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=tbtlgTKucXo



It takes a special brand of coward to fire into a group of unarmed women.

1563. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #185669 by al-rawandi on May 28, 2008 at 9:35 am

MaxD,






If you heard the man in the video telling the Magav officer "We are in our own village, why are you hitting us." The protest involved Palestinians as well as Israelis. The man who was shot by the officer was actually an Israeli Jew, although the soldiers did not know this.

They were beating peaceful protestors who were on their own land. The IDF usually disperses all protests immediately, if at all possible. They also seek to shield this from journalists.


There was still another video I could not find, where the IDF soldier sets up a careful shot of about 100-150 yards and shoots a journalist in the chest with a live round. The journalist was wearing a flack jacket which bore the word "PRESS" on the front and back. It was the most blatant instance, and I simply didn't find it in my short search.

1564. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #185650 by al-rawandi on May 28, 2008 at 9:05 am

Eagle,




http://www.ifamericansknew.org/





This accurately identifies the obnoxious and dangerous Israel bias in the US media. The scary thing is the pro-Israel goons in the US claim the bias is pro-Palestine! How ridiculous.


Another thing we could stand to do in the US is take the foreign agents and traitors in the Israel Lobby and deport them to Israel immediately.

1565. Mark Steyn vs. the 'Sock Puppets'

Comment #185646 by al-rawandi on May 28, 2008 at 9:00 am

mordacious1,






As if Canada needed any more bad publicity, they are already Canadian.


They are like America's transvestite brother in law.... Don't really like to talk about it.

1566. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #185634 by al-rawandi on May 28, 2008 at 8:40 am

Bonzai,





I am usually reasonably impressed by Fanusi's knowledge on matters Middle East, but the fact that he didn't understand water is at issue in the West Bank tells me he is ass deep upside down in sand.

1567. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #185633 by al-rawandi on May 28, 2008 at 8:38 am

Fanusi,

You also mention the West Bank and the Israelis wanting it for it's resources (what resources?).

I had mistaken you for an intelligent person. I shall not do so again... The simple answer... WATER, you idiot. Why do you think settlements sit on top of aquifers? You should read up on water rights in the West Bank, but since anything critical of Israel gets labeled propaganda, I see little use in encouraging you to erudition on the matter.


I am not letting Muslims off the hook. Like I said when someone targets innocents, I object, it is pretty simple. When some Palestinian walks into a Starbucks and blows himself up, that is a disgusting act, encouraged by religious fervor, and hate. No questions.

But what I will not condemn is Palestinians attacking Israeli settlers. These people are invaders and usurpers, they are armed, and are legitimate targets under any reading of international law. Is it productive for the Palestinians? No. But can I condemn it? No.


Like I said, you have to be the stupidest person on the planet to tell me I let Muslims off the hook. You are apparently the stupidest person on the planet. Cleared that up, didn't we?

1568. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #185630 by al-rawandi on May 28, 2008 at 8:33 am

Magav border police shoot unarmed demonstrator. They also beat peaceful protestors with batons:



http://youtube.com/watch?v=2nBbAHMBIOE




Israeli settlers shoot water tanks:


http://youtube.com/watch?v=YDXqwvJE63I


IDF shoots and kills journalists, live video of wounded cameraman crawling on the ground:


http://youtube.com/watch?v=KesF4piHQjQ



I can go on all day. My guess is you have never bothered to research any of this, ever, why? Because your mind is made up, it is simple, it is black and white.


Simple conflicts for simple minds.

1569. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #185629 by al-rawandi on May 28, 2008 at 8:32 am

Fanusi,



You made my day...


Shooting a journalist point blank.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=hyf52cfMP0E








Shooting at a peaceful demonstration.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=ymqJCgXmIO4




IDF soldiers shoot at more demonstrators:


http://youtube.com/watch?v=O3SQj3QKtY0

1570. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #185622 by al-rawandi on May 28, 2008 at 7:51 am

Fanusi,







No, I just think you are a fuck up with a flimsy grasp of facts.... sometimes.


I have moral clarity, and plenty of it. When you slaughter a child, you are in the wrong (unless the child is carrying a weapon). It is irrelevant who does this, it is the act that is repellent. The fact that you can only acknowledge these things on one side belies an agenda, and not moral clarity at all. It indicates a prejudice and bias with regards to evidence. You have never once acknowledged some wrong done by the west, not once. The way you select evidence shows me you select evidence to fit a conclusion, which is no doubt a priori. I sometimes concur with this opinion, but it isn't by deep deliberation that you arrive at these conclusions, it seems you reach them, then scan the lanscape for some evidence to support it.


You conclusion is Muslims are violent and pose an enormous threat, luckily for your image this is true more often than not. But you are no doubt a dogmatist.

I find it interesting that you don't even try to deny the evil and horror that infests the Muslims in that part of the world - you just seem to treat it as irrelevant.

I am just going to ignore this bit of fucktardary because I know you simply don't mean it. You would have to be the stupidest person to ever walk the earth to assert that I treat Islam and its attendant evils as irrelevant. I will do you a favor and retract this statement on your behalf so I don't have to eviscerate mercilessly.


Like I said, if you are going to launch condemnations, at least get the facts right, it is more honorable.

1571. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #185617 by al-rawandi on May 28, 2008 at 7:42 am

MaxD,






If I were to run through specific atrocities committed by Israel and its soldiers, I would be a busy man. For instance in the first Intifada, which preceeded the first suicide bombing by about 4 years, IDF soldiers were videotaped taking hancuffed men to the hills and breaking their arms with large rocks.


IDF snipers shot a small child standing in front of an IDF tank, he was throwing stones. IDF soldiers have routinely shot at journalists, including use of live amunition. There is another video of an IDF soldier shooting a journalist with a rubber bullet then walking up and shooting him in the head with another rubber bullet. Rubber bullets can be lethal if fired at the head.

Fanusi talks about mothers being forced to cut the throats of their children, well he doesn't mention Deir Yassin where Jews operating under the Stern Gang not only massacred all the inhabitants of the village (with Ben Gurion's knowledge no less) but they disemboweled pregnant women with swords and bayontes, then threw the bodies in the well to contaminate the water supply. And then the head of the Stern Gang, Menachim Begin, was later elected prime minister of Israel. Funny how the Israelis treat their own terrorists.

Arield Sharon led a force of IDF soldiers in 1956 into the village of Qibya, the population was (you guessed it) massacred. Sharon was later elected prime minister. He also was found legally responsible (by an Israeli court no less) for the massacres at Sabra and Shatila, perpetrated by Phalange militia (Maronites) and overseen by Sharon.

I could really go on for some time here. Including organized massacres of Arab POW's in the Golan Heights... but I think the point is made.

No doubt Israel treats its Arabs better than Gulf Countries treat foreign laborers. And certainly better than the Saudis treat the Shi'a population of al-Ahsa'. But that certainly doesn't excuse them from all moral culpability in all cases.

There is a pitted battle being fought in Palestine... Israel seeks to expand its control over the West Bank, more specifically its resources. They are doing this by flooding the land with radical Jews to live in settlements. The settlements were once a defensive measure, but now only serve to create facts on the ground to ensure that Israel can control as much land and resource as possible, at the expense of its rightful owners.

1572. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #185611 by al-rawandi on May 28, 2008 at 7:25 am

Fanusi,





Of course, as is your habit, you leave out what the Maronites did to the Palestinians. And when you speak of Palestinians, you mean all Palestinians, or certain elements? So to hell with 100% of a people for the actions of 50% or 25% or 85%... is that the message? That sounds a lot like some radical Islamist's opinion of Israel.


And it isn't "Arabs are beloved and the Jews are our dogs" this wouldn't rhyme in Arabic, it is "Palestine is our land and Jews are our dogs" (Falasteen Ibladna wa Yahud Iklabna). You should at least strive to make your sweeping generalizations somewhat accurate.

1573. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #185602 by al-rawandi on May 28, 2008 at 7:04 am

MaxD,







That comment by Fanusi can't even be taken seriously. As a person who has many friends on both sides of the conflict I can tell you Fanusi's dichotomy there is absolutely false. He musnt' forget that there are more than a few Israelis pushing for ethnic cleansing as well. And certainly not every Palestinian seeks the destruction of Israel, not even most. Most just want to go on about their lives, unmolested. The radicals aren't popular when things start to get better in the territories, and they gain popularity when things get worse. And eventually people will see that Hamas has done nothing but bring misery to Palestinians.

1574. What is science for?

Comment #185583 by al-rawandi on May 28, 2008 at 6:04 am

All,






I have exposed Marques as a catamite of discredited non-scholar David Irving and a bigot himself.


He has declared that we maintain theistic like mindsets, yet he is the one who has used all tactics which are to be found in my definition of theistic argumentation, the dodge, the lie, the citation of discredited sources (knowing they are discredited) and finally the "I have to go now."


Too terrified to answer pointed questions, he has run off. At least the Nazis had the courage to fight. This man is a disgrace to Nazism, pathetic, a cowering worm, unable to answer my simple questions.


Ohhh Blake,



Will you change your diaper and actually answer the questions I have asked?

1575. What is science for?

Comment #185576 by al-rawandi on May 28, 2008 at 5:41 am

ASM,






You sinveling coward. Perhaps you could bring yourself to answer the questions I posed to you at the end of the last page and the top of this page.


Of course you won't because it lays waste to your illogical hate and bigotry, which is precisely what you espouse. You have no point, you are an obsessive compulsive bigot. How do I know? Because you refuse to answer questions, posed directly to you.



Blake,



You too are a vile coward. I asked you a question, what do you do? You say you won't answer and in turn ask me a question. That is not how things work. Once you answer my very serious and legitimate question, I will be happy to analyze your question.

Until then you are nothing more than a wirey haired whacko holding a cardboard sign shouting about alien abductions.

1576. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #185339 by al-rawandi on May 27, 2008 at 2:14 pm

ChewToy,







I was clear enough in the statistics I cited, and in the terminology I later used. African Americans, if that doesn't denote anything, perhaps you are in the wrong forum.

1577. What is science for?

Comment #185322 by al-rawandi on May 27, 2008 at 12:48 pm

All,




A little background on ASM. He is a Holcaust denier of Portugese extraction and an admirer of discredited scholar David Irving.... Here is what ASM had to say about Irving:

As November 2005 rolls to a close, David Irving, renowned historian of the Second World War sits behind bars in an Austrian prison. Prosecutors charged Irving with denying the Holocaust. In Austria, this thoughtcrime comes with a 10-year prison sentence if convicted.

http://theholocauststory.blogspot.com/2005/11/david-irving-and-holocaust-denial.html


Who is David Irving?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Irving#Criticism_by_historians


On March 15, 2007 David Irving delivered a speech to the neo-fascist rally of the Hungarian party Hungarian Justice and Lif Party. Irving has also been involved with the Institute for Historical Review, a Holocaust Denial platform frequented by the likes of which I have documented here numerous times (all liars and bigots, to a man).


Here is what Irving said of Holocaust Survivors:

More women died on the back seat of Edward Kennedy's car at Chappaquiddick than in the gas chambers at Auschwitz." [Applause] Now you think that's tasteless, what about this? I'm forming an association especially dedicated to all these liars, the ones who try and kid people that they were in these concentration camps, it's called the Auschwitz Survivors, Survivors of the Holocaust and other liars, A-S-S-H-O-L-E-S. Can't get more tasteless than that, but you've got to be tasteless because these people deserve our contempt.

As for his racism this is what Irving had to say:

I am a Baby Aryan
Not Jewish or Sectarian
I have no plans to marry an
Ape or Rastafarian.

This is a touching reminder of his care for humanity, and dedication to "truth". And if this weren't enough, Irving said:

I am not anti-colored, take it from me; nothing pleases me more than when I arrive at an airport, or a station, or a seaport, and I see a colored family there â€" the black father, the black wife and the black children….When I see these families arriving at the airport I am happy, and when I see them leaving at London airport I am happy. [cheers and laughter] But if there is one thing that gets up my nose, I must admit, it is this â€" the way…the thing is when I am down in Torquay and I switch on my television and I see one of them reading our news to us. It is our news and they're reading it to me.

As for AS Marques, here is a link to his contribution to David Irving's own website:


http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/Neuengamme/Marques_050605.html



Signed: AS Marques, Portugal.





What a sick and disgusting fraud. He is nothing but a racist in fancy clothes, a man (I use the term loosely) dedicated to lies and hate. Disgusting.

1578. What is science for?

Comment #185317 by al-rawandi on May 27, 2008 at 12:27 pm

ASM,






Two final questions:


Are the Protocols of the Elders of Zion a forgery or not? Do you believe they are real or true?


Do you believe the blood libel to be true?

1579. What is science for?

Comment #185316 by al-rawandi on May 27, 2008 at 12:23 pm

ASM,







I will spend a little more of my precious time, showing that one of the most vile, cowardly, ways of carrying on a debate is to post from discredited sources, over and over and over, despite people pointing this out, and despite evidence to the contrary.

Another issue of note, is your allegiance to the cult of Ahmad Rami, Ernst Zundel, David Duke, Israel Shamir, and others of similar cloth. Why is it, do you think, that you share so much in common with these people, who are undeniably awful and often evil men? Is this merely a coincidence that Holocaust denial centers around bigots and exposed liars?


I have asked you this numerous times and have not once received anything that might be considered a reasonable answer.

That is the tactic of the truly duplicitous, dodge questions put directly to you, repeatedly, while continuing to forward the lies that would be debunked by you answering the question.

1580. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #185304 by al-rawandi on May 27, 2008 at 11:46 am

Frankus,







No no no. Mexico traffics in drugs, guns, criminals, and other forms of nastiness. The Mexican government is a corrupt group of fucks who not only allow this to take place, but actively participate in this criminal enterprise. The US actively attempts to stop crime unlike Latin American countries which simply seek to get a cut and help it along.


Like I said, banning guns in D.C. caused violent crime to sky rocket.

1581. What is science for?

Comment #185302 by al-rawandi on May 27, 2008 at 11:40 am

Blake,








Feel free to present your evidence here. But since you never answered my questions about why you think you share views with Ahmad Rami, Ernst Zundel, Israel Shamir and David Duke.


Why do you think you all share a common cause, citing the same discredited evidence? Yes the IHR is the most widely discredited organization purporting to "Study" the Holocaust. And yet this seems to be the only group (and its subsidiary non-scholars) that ASM cites, and my guess is this will be whom you cite.


But feel free to hijack this thread and overwhelm us with the evidence.

1582. Losing Our Spines to Save Our Necks

Comment #185296 by al-rawandi on May 27, 2008 at 11:36 am

righton,





Don't forget his blatant distortion of the Azmi Bishara case.


I didn't even go into the money Bishara received from "dubious" sources, as he was never tried for this.

Honesty is the first to go with these types.

1583. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #185294 by al-rawandi on May 27, 2008 at 11:33 am

MaxD,








The problem is many feel that they are never accoutable. Look at Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, any two bit thug murderer who happens to be black elicits a cry of support from these two "ministers". It is disgusting, one has to ask them if an African American is EVER actually guilty?

Like this most recent case where this drug dealer Bell, in New York tried to run down several police officers with his car, then the police used deadly force and now Sharpton wants the officers (one of whom was black) to be tried for murder. A drug dealer tries to kill police officers (a black one as well) and he is killed., and Sharpton defends whom???? The drug dealer. Go fucking figure.


When people are accountable for their own lives, shit starts going there way. People who blame others are doomed to wallow in their own misery. Just listen to Bill Cosby's views on the matter.


Another thing, look at all the African Americans who have laudibly turned their lives around for the better, who have made progress, who have taken ownership of their lives, who have tried to help their communities. Why aren't they examples? When Don Imus made a disgusting racist comment about Rutgers Womens' Basketball, calling them "Nappy headed Ho's", Al Sharpton came out swinging, yet Sharpton holds court with rappers (Black) on a regular basis who make millions degrading African American women and inciting young blacks to violence.


When this culture is destroyed, the Al Sharpton culture, there will be a great deal of social change.

1584. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #185285 by al-rawandi on May 27, 2008 at 11:11 am

Frankus,






England is an Island, surrouded by industrialized and civilized nations. The US is connected to one of the most corrupt and criminal nations on the planet (Mexico) which is in turn connected to a string of corrupt and violent states all the way down the continent. It is not difficult to get guns over the US border with Mexico, as it is not difficult to get drugs over the border, or people for that matter.

Most gun crime in the US is carried out with illegal weapons anyway. So simply banning them hasn't helped. Most people who commit a crime with a gun are already felons, and are prohibited from having firearms. So this doesn't much help either.

Prevelance of firearms is not the cause, or countries like Switzerland or Israel would be wild west-like countries since guns are owned by everyone.

1585. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #185284 by al-rawandi on May 27, 2008 at 11:06 am

Bugaboo,





No. I am concerned with the fact that violence surrounds and follows blacks. For instance, look at the number of professional black athletes, who making millions of dollars, still commit crimes of a violent nature.


1/3 of African American men are in some phase of the US corrections system.



And if they are poor, how come they are still poor. The Chinese were forced to build railroads and they have done alright. Why is it there is one glaring exception. There is no language barrier... what is the problem.


I am not saying they do commit or do not commit crimes because of their race. I am not even convinced there is an appreciable difference between whites and blacks genetically, certainly not enough to cause behavioral issues. But what about the culture is so permissive of this behavior? Why does it glorify violence?

And I have more than certainly supported my original statement of "It is mostly black people shooting one another". QED.

1586. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #185274 by al-rawandi on May 27, 2008 at 10:45 am

Bugaboo,








I thought I should add, while 50% of murderers are African American, 13.1% of the US population is African American. There is the obvious conclusion to be made, whatever your opinions on race.

1587. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #185273 by al-rawandi on May 27, 2008 at 10:38 am

Bugaboo,



http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/race.htm




US Department of Justice.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime#United_States



A Wiki article on the matter. Blacks are grossly over-represented in "Arrests".



Sex offenders in state prisons are about evenly divided between White and Black, despite the fact that Whites vastly outnumber blacks in the US population:


http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/ascii/soo.txt


50% of murders were committed by blacks (same study)



Trends in race 1976-2005, DoJ


http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm


Criminal victimization, includes demography (DoJ)


http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus0502.pdf




I hope that helps.

1588. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #185270 by al-rawandi on May 27, 2008 at 10:17 am

bugaboo,







Well, violence is strongly correlated to a race. I am done playing PC over the issue with race and violence in this country of mine. Drugs and crime are, more often than not, centered in areas with lots of African Americans. Can you show me some data to suggest otherwise... something other than your aversion to singling out African Americans?

1589. What is science for?

Comment #185254 by al-rawandi on May 27, 2008 at 9:13 am

Tyler,









Wooter-face asks why evolution made the planets of perfect distance etc... Good point it isn't evolution, and wooter-ass must think that we are the only solar system in the universe. How many other lifeless solar systems are there in the universe, that didn't luckily have the appropriate conditions for life. These IDiots never even bother to look at it from that perspective. If the odds of a solar system supporting life are 1 in 1 million, and there are billions of solar systems.... well this just happens to be one of the few that do. Someone has to win the lottery.

1590. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #185251 by al-rawandi on May 27, 2008 at 9:08 am

Keith,





That is interesting. I assume the statistics that show banning guns increases gun crime, won't mean much to you?


Washington D.C. banned hand guns and violent crime sky rocketed. The places in the US with the lowest rates of violent crime are the ones that make it easiest to carry fire arms. I have been in a bunch of disputes with people in the US, and I have never ended up dead (or with a broken nose). Most gun crime in the US is one black person shooting another over drugs or some other petty nonsense, and these guns are all illegal anyhow.


I can stop there.

1591. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #185241 by al-rawandi on May 27, 2008 at 8:44 am

Keith,






I was defending guns.

Islam causes people to pull the trigger, Guns are the trigger. One is a cause the other isn't. These are totally unrelated, I can't imagine a world where someone would think these are the same, in any way.


Anyhow, I understand your attempt at an analogy between the two, I guess it is just so distant that I don't really think it helpful. And I don't like guns being compared to something as unpleasant as Islam.

1592. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #185215 by al-rawandi on May 27, 2008 at 8:03 am

Keith,








Guns don't whisper "Kill Jews" to the owners. Islam causes (*EDIT* operating under the methodology that Fanusi uses) people to kill other people with Guns.

Guns are inanimate objects and don't encourage anything. People encouraged to violence would be bad gun owners.


The two aren't even remotely analgous.

1593. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #185205 by al-rawandi on May 27, 2008 at 7:34 am

Fanus,





Fair enough.



Like I said, Islam is more the vehicle for Arab tribal ethos, but it has certainly spread beyond the Arab world, so my point may not really be that helpful at all.

1594. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #185197 by al-rawandi on May 27, 2008 at 7:22 am

Fanusi,

Churchill saw alot of fascism up close and recognised the similarities between Nazism and Islam (in fact, he called Mein Kampf the New Koran). He knew of what he spoke.

Well he advocated the genocide of the Afghans long before there was Nazism. For instance near the turn of the century.



*EDIT* Also, as for causing violence. I may be wrong, but I feel that Islam simply articulates the violent tendencies already present in humans, and makes these easier to surface. But that might just be "causing" them to happen. I am not sure.

1595. Losing Our Spines to Save Our Necks

Comment #185191 by al-rawandi on May 27, 2008 at 7:16 am

Quetz,







That was the best he could do. I wasn't lying. And he knows it. He is using some strange form of anti-logic to falsely interpret the posts.




Greek,





Ok. I said Israel is a racist state in determining citizenship and in the Occupied Territories. That doesn't mean it isn't a democracy, or even a democracy with regards to its Arab citizens.

As for the Jewish National Fund, in the United States there are plenty of race based programs, for instance "Affirmative Action" or, perhaps more importantly, things like "The United Negro College Fund", it is allowed to operate, and it only funds college education for blacks, whites cannot apply, whites cannot receive money. Does this mean the United States is an institutionally racist entity? That is a serious question.



A little of your dishonesty here:

a candidate that questions or denies the Jewishness of the state of Israel can't run or hold office. When longtime Arab Member of the Knesset Azmi Bishara did just that---campaigning for a state that treats equally all its citizens, not one that grants rights and privileges to Jews only---he was forced by Israeli police (Shin Bet) to resign, thus also losing his immunity from prosecution.

You leave out the fact that Azmi Bishara spoke at a memorial for Hafez al-Assad, and made glowing remarks about Hezbollah. How would a US congressman be treated if he/she went to a country that was de facto at war with the US and praised a group dedicated to the destruction of the US. A group that also said that the US spreads AIDS intentionally (as Hezbollah said of Jews)? This congressman would be instantaneously evicted from his/her seat. Should this happen, I don't know, would this happen, absolutely.


This isn't the end. Bishara visited Syria once again, telling his audience that Israel may launch an offensive attack on Syria. His party (Balad, perhaps you could look up the connotations of this word in Arabic) made supportive statements of Hezbollah on visits to Lebanon.

Quoted in the Jerusalem post the Balad MK's Azmi Bishara, Jamal Zahalka, and Wasal Taha told Fuad Saniora that Hezbollah's resistance "lifted the spirit of the Arab people". This was a "solidarity mission". The same article notes the treasonous act of Bishara warning Syria of potential Israel attacks.

Not finished, Bishara also spoke of Syria' struggle to free "occupied Arab land" and praised Syrian support for "resistance to occupation". Syria the very same country that has sought to destabilize Lebanon. That has assassinated Lebanese politicians. The very same.

It has been a law, since 1948 in Israel to incite violence against that state, and to lend support (verbal or physical) to terrorism. This law has been around for a great long while.


Here is what you said:

Arab Member of the Knesset Azmi Bishara did just that---campaigning for a state that treats equally all its citizens, not one that grants rights and privileges to Jews only---he was forced by Israeli police (Shin Bet) to resign,

This simply isn't true, and here is what a member of Bishara's own party had to say about the matter:

MK Wasil Taha, of Bishara's own Balad party, called the accusations "nonsensical and false. Bishara denied them during investigation and we are denying them today. Their only purpose is to use Bishara as a scapegoat, to incite public opinion regarding everything dealing with Israel's failure in the [Lebanon] war, and to cover up those failings."

Haaretz, 4-25-07

He is saying this is a cover up for the failings in the Lebanon war. What did Israelis say, they cited his support for an enemy state.


In fact, in 2001 the Knesset passed a law making it illegal for MK's to visit an enemy state. 5 years later, Bishara did just that, he visited Syria, this was a violation of the law, and he was punished for this.

I am unsurprised that you cited the Bishara case, it is the best way to bewilder those who do not understand how the situation progressed. It is also a favorite of the anti-Israel crowd, because on the surface, someone might actually believe what you are saying.

Bishara committed treason under Israeli law, and was bounced for this. Although I do agree with him on the issue of the constitution, I cannot defend his treason.

1596. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #185178 by al-rawandi on May 27, 2008 at 6:38 am

Fanusi you have been a busy boy,

Want to go back in history a little? Sir Winston Churchill, who saw the beast of Islam up close.

Churchill advocated using chemical weapons to exterminate the Afghans. Churchill wasn't motivated by a disdain fo Islam so much as a disdain for non-whites. This is a bad example for you to use, but the rest were pretty good.

They have failed to distinguish themselves. It isn't our business to do so.

Well they have distinguished themselves. Islam distinguishes between Muslim and non-Muslim. That is the sole distinction, in a legal sense. There is a Muslim community, and a non-Muslim community. I have long said that Islam doesn't cause violence. And it really doesn't, people are violent, however Islam facilitates violence because it creates dichotomies, and it reinforces these to the exclusion of almost all reconcilliation. This is what is distinguished.

1597. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #185174 by al-rawandi on May 27, 2008 at 6:28 am

vinelectric,






Your link doesn't work.


It links to an Arabic page on Shariah, subset "Fatawa". And it says "error, please try again."

It looks like the section such a discussion would be found.

1598. How to reconcile Richard Dawkins?

Comment #185168 by al-rawandi on May 27, 2008 at 6:15 am

alvorin,




Health and education.



Government is responsible for the protection of the people. This includes from sickness and disease, thus it is the responsibility of the government to provide access to health care. I believe this falls into the free market. The government needs to ensure that those that cannot afford healthcare can get it in the free market... credits, cash payments, etc... The honest issue is that if they simply made cash payments, many of the people who fell in this category wouldn't pay for health care, but would rather by cigarettes and liquor. So the question becomes, "are they really serious about their own health situation?"


As for education, it is best ensured by a secular government. But the unionization of education has destroyed any hope. The teachers' union is the most destructive force on education. Teachers cannot be fired for the most part, due to lack of performance. They need to be responsible for the education they deliver. Bonuses and promotion for those that have good test scores and demotion and cessation of employment for the utter failures. No union has the right to endager children, that is unacceptable.


Your assertion about socialism is all wrong. It is always a massive bureacracy. Because in a free market, market forces allocate resource. In a socialist country, the government has to allocate all resources. For instance fuel, food, liquor, media, science funding, etc...

For instance fuel, food, and liquor are allocated by a free market. Fuel is used in accordance with needs and means. While in socialism, the government has to determine individual needs then tell the people how to use the resource.

In a capitalist society bureacracy can be reduced, but it is not always so. All governments are inefficient, this is why their role in humans' lives should be limited.


There are two types of people generally:

1) Those that believe in liberty and allowing people to live their lives according to their own free will, able to succeed to the best of their abilities.

2) Those that believe people are not the best at this, and that people need to come together to create some entity (government) to manage resources and allocate those to people. People will be told how to live.



I prefer to have more control over my own life, not less. How do you feel?

1599. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #185154 by al-rawandi on May 27, 2008 at 5:50 am

Fanusi,

Not one single sect of Islam that rejects the idea of the Qur'an as the uncreated word of God has survived. Not one.

This is a striking and important point. The battle inside Islam took place near the very beginning. The Mihna was the first battle fought over ideology. The literalists versus those who felt that the Qur'an could be interperated in other ways (figurative). The literalists won outright.


Then there was the battle over the Mu'atazila who forwarded the idea that the Qu'ran was created, and that otherwise, it would be in direct contradiction to the verse of the Qur'an that says only Allah is eternal. The Mu'atazila relied heavily on reason, and this was an affront to the Ashari school that felt literalism was the best manner of interpretation along with the Qur'an being the uncreated word of god. And Fanusi, you will be unsurprised to learn that the most notable of these Asharis was Imam Abu Hamid al-Ghazali.

Indeed any attempt at Islamic rationalism has been made and has failed in the face of overly animated fanatics.

Furthermore, the Mu'atazila had number of apostates to their name (Ibn al-Rawandi being the most famous and most effective in his critique). Reliance on reason led many to disbelieve, go figure.

1600. What is science for?

Comment #184166 by al-rawandi on May 23, 2008 at 8:10 pm

Frankus,






I am curious as to whether ASM is in fact David Irving, David Duke, Israel Shamer, or some other whackjob.


A great clue is chanced upon when you look at what other deniers believe in addition to the "hoax" business. As I pointed Israel Shamer actually believes the blood libel is true.

See here:

http://www.israelshamir.net/English/blood.htm

That is so completely ridiculous that I can't really think he is a serious human being. He was born to Jewish parents, so I assume he is an Israeli agent sent to discredit Holocaust deniers further.

Being a Holocaust denier, while claiming to be rational, must be like a person who hears voices in his head, and the only people that believe him are his fellow patients in the psych-ward. I mean really, look at the company you keep. Ernst fucking Zundel.


Then the ever sunny Ahmad Rami, twice convicted of hate speech in Sweden, and regular speaker at Swedish neo-Nazi forums. Now this ass clown runs Radio Islam, labeled "One of the most right wing anti-semitic" outlets in all of Europe. What book is in complete form in the library (online) of radio Islam?

That's right the discredited forgery, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The hilarious thing is that he cites "Elders of Zion"as the authors! Ha, instead of "Czarist secret police" as it should be. These are ASM's friends and compatriots!


Let's not forget the other lodestar of anti-semitic bigotry... Mein Kampf.


On this site Rami claims that Ataturk was Jewish.



This is what Holcaust deniers are. This is the face of the true Holocaust denial, unmitigated hate and bigotry. Irrational and dishonest hate.



All of the above links run right to the despicable site itself. Go there and see the face of denial. The cartoons of hook nosed Jews, riding Uncle Sam like a horse. Bah.