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Comment #166389 by Remnant on April 23, 2008 at 8:04 am

Re: Comment #166298 by The Reverend Dark on April 23, 2008 at 5:25 am
Me, "That's called free will. See how far that gets you at judgment day."

You, "Remnent threatened through inference."

No, that is not a threat, it is a promise from the Lord. I am but a messenger, relaying the Word of the Lord. Deny or ignore the Lord's promise all you want, you cannot change his truth.

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

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Comment #166379 by Remnant on April 23, 2008 at 7:54 am

Re: Comment #166175 by Quetzalcoatl on April 23, 2008 at 12:53 am
You, "Re Remnant's praying-

"there's a particular kind of arrogant self-importance around the notion of praying for someone to see "the truth". As if the simple act of Remnant praying will be enough for God to directly intervene and "open our minds" whereas he wouldn't have before. Remnant, you must have a very high opinion of your importance in the eyes of God."

Not at all, I am just a humble sinner, saved by God's grace, and being obedient to the word of the Lord.

Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

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Comment #166363 by Remnant on April 23, 2008 at 7:41 am

Re: Comment #166119 by MaxD on April 22, 2008 at 7:02 pm
You, "Um it seems like there is a lot of, um...unsubstantiated...um mindnumbing...er..assumption here."

You, "Actually, I think it is just possible that God is a second cause and that really it was the great mystical Cheeseburger (vastly more powerful than that late appearing douche the FSM) that first caused God."

Is that your "um...unsubstantiated...um mindnumbing...er..assumption here."

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Comment #166114 by Remnant on April 22, 2008 at 6:58 pm

Re: Comment #166112 by Frankus1122 on April 22, 2008 at 6:56 pm


You, "Actually, I'm going to bed.
Pray for me!"

I will!

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Comment #166111 by Remnant on April 22, 2008 at 6:56 pm

Well kids,

I have to close for tonight. It's been a blast.

As you fall asleep tonight, think about where you will spend eternity if God forbid, you should you pass in your sleep.

Accept Christ and all will be well.

Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the Scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Sleep tight, I will.

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Comment #166109 by Remnant on April 22, 2008 at 6:52 pm

Re: Comment #166107 by Frankus1122 on April 22, 2008 at 6:48 pm

"You know that feeling you get when you encounter someone who is really stupid; so stupid they don't even realize how stupid they are?
I have that feeling now."

Then I suggest you get away from yourself for a bit.
You'll feel much better.

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Comment #166108 by Remnant on April 22, 2008 at 6:50 pm

Re:. Comment #166079 by gr8hands on April 22, 2008 at 6:03 pm
Remnant wrote:

Me, Yes, tell me about the scientific experiments that have, without intelligence, created life from non- life. There are none, only wild speculations.
Wrong!

You, "I have already provided you with that information, but I'll repeat it because you're clearly suffering from some kind of mental impairment: the article Did Life Begin In Ice? from Discover Magazine's February, 2008 edition shows the results of 25 years of experimentation that prove self-replicating RNA spontaneously emerges from mere chemicals, again and again, when they're frozen -- which is clearly the state the earth was in for quite some time."

Now we are speculating from hot to frozen. Nice

"The theory departs from mainstream thinking on the origins of life, which usually assumes a warm, or hot, and wet environment was necessary."

Whoa you are good at myth making. There sure would a lot of might, could have, statements in that article. By the way, the scientists used pre-existing RNA and good bit of intelligence and speculation. That study did not produce life from non-life. Intellectual dishonesty on your part at its finest.

"the researchers broke to pieces some RNA molecules found in normal cells. This process yielded more, smaller, RNA molecules."

"I also think that Earth is a possible but not necessarily the best place where the RNA world could start. Rather, I would bet on Europa or a giant comet," he continued. If the transition to life as we know it did occur, he added, "it could spread across many planets through cross-contamination," carried by comets or meteorites."


Only a true Kool-aid drinker would consider this as life originating from no life without intelligence.

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Comment #166106 by Remnant on April 22, 2008 at 6:39 pm

Re: Comment #166033 by Steve Zara on April 22, 2008 at 5:14 pm

You, "Oh dear. You aren't very good with logic."

You aren't that good with truth.

You, "I claim it was Zoltar the Magnificent who created the universe. Prove he didn't."

Believe in Zolar. That's called free will. See how far that gets you at judgement day.

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Comment #166103 by Remnant on April 22, 2008 at 6:36 pm

Comment #166056 by Steve Zara on April 22, 2008 at 5:34 pm

You, "Truth by majority voting. What a strange idea."

I never made that statement. Truth is truth.
It is not subjective to the individual or the majority.

I am beginning to see a trend in your responses that smell like intellectual dishonesty by twisting what was said. Either that, or a comprehension problem. Either way, this is a common tactic of atheists.

You, "Actually, he does. He is a philosopher. He is trained for that kind of thing."

Sure could have fooled me. Logical error on your part,"appeal to authority".

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Comment #166097 by Remnant on April 22, 2008 at 6:30 pm

Comment #166065 by phasmagigas on April 22, 2008 at 5:40 pm

You, "news to me. the burden of proof is always on the one making the claim."

You are claiming god does not exist, so prove it.

Simple isn't it.

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Comment #166090 by Remnant on April 22, 2008 at 6:17 pm

Re: Comment #166066 by gr8hands on April 22, 2008 at 5:41 pm

Your statements about the authors and dates of Gospels are in disagreement with the vast majority of Biblical scholars, both secular and religious.

When you make false statements like that, the rest of you post is ignored.

You might want to see if you can get a refund because your knowledge of Biblical history, textual criticism, and the Bible is sorely lacking.

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Comment #166082 by Remnant on April 22, 2008 at 6:08 pm

Re: Comment #165966 by Steve Zara on April 22, 2008 at 4:19 pm

You, "Let's focus on a single point you made here. How would you explain the motions of the core stars in our galaxy, if they aren't due to a black hole?"

Did you read what I wrote? I'll repeat myself. I never said that black holes do not exist. They well may. Their existence or non-existence has no bearing on the existence of God.
I only made the point that they are theoretical and there existence is unproven and therefore speculation. That is it. Please don't read more into what I wrote than what was expressed.

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Comment #166052 by Remnant on April 22, 2008 at 5:30 pm

Re: Comment #166039 by MPhil on April 22, 2008 at 5:19 pm

Can you discuss anything without using profanity?

Me, "The God of the Bible, the only God. Now you prove He didn't."

You, "I can and I did - since "he" cannot exist - is a logical and conceptual impossibility."

That's funny. You have done nothing of the sort. For centuries, logic has deduced the existence of God. Based on the laws of epistemology, God is the only reasonable, logical, and rational deduction .

"But even if that wasn't the case - that's not how it works. The burden of proof is squarely on you."

Sorry, but you are in the minority. For centuries the overwhelming majority of the people that have lived have believed in a Creator God. God's revelation in life, in the universe in the anthropic principle of fine tuning, His special revelation in the Bible, etc. provide far more evidence for His existence that your position. The vast majority of mankind have believed in a Creator God and now a small minority of people don't. The burden of proof is on you, the small minority.

That's the way it works friend. You don't make the rules for the debate or the majority.

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Comment #166040 by Remnant on April 22, 2008 at 5:19 pm

Comment #166024 by Steve Zara on April 22, 2008 at 5:08 pm

You, "No. See quantum mechanics."

You are confusing predictability with causality. A common mistake.

Me, "Everything that begins to exist must have a cause."

Me, "The universe (all space, time, matter, and energy) began to exist."

Me, "The universe must therefore have a cause"

You, "No. This not just a matter of quantum mechanics, but your statement itself is a contradiction."

You, "If time did not exist before the Big Bang, then there can't have been a cause, as cause and effect have no meaning without time."

That is an untrue statement and not a contradiction at all. You are making another common mistake. You are attempting to limit God who is outside of the natural world to the laws of the natural world. The laws of nature did not exist until God created them. He is not subject to them. God is eternal. God is not limited by time. At the creation event, space, time, matter, and energy were created. God created time, He caused time. He is outside of time.

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Comment #166025 by Remnant on April 22, 2008 at 5:09 pm

Comment #166015 by Geodesic17 on April 22, 2008 at 5:02 pm

You, "Remnant,Now please prove which God created the universe."

Hey you are making progress.

The God of the Bible, the only God. Now you prove He didn't.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

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Comment #166019 by Remnant on April 22, 2008 at 5:04 pm

Comment #166001 by MPhil on April 22, 2008 at 4:50 pm

You, "Remnant, a n s w e r t h e q u e s t i o n s"

I have answered every question I have seen from you.

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Comment #166014 by Remnant on April 22, 2008 at 5:00 pm

Re: Comment #165965 by MPhil on April 22, 2008 at 4:19 pm

Sorry but I haven't seen any questions from you?

You, "Oh please - you doubt the existence of black holes?"

They are theoretical. I never said they did not exist. Putting words in other's mouths is not being intellectual honest. I simply was showing how science uses supernatural deductions when it suits them.


Yes, tell me about the scientific experiments that have, without intelligence, created life from non- life. There are none, only wild speculations.

You, "You are the one who believes that it is possible that intention can be directly fulfilled without any mechanism (God), you are the one who believes that there can be an agent who is not subject to time (which is impossible), who believes that something nonphysical can effect something physical, who believes that an unobserved, unobservable entity, the assumption of which is untestable and whose existence is a logical impossibility, the attributions of properties to which are category mistake..."

You reveal how little you know about God.
God is outside of our natural world. He is eternal. He is the first cause. He created space, time, matter, and energy. He is no subject to the laws of the natural world. He created them.

Everything that begins to exist must have a cause.

The universe (all space, time, matter, and energy) began to exist.

The universe must therefore have a cause.

God is that eternal first cause.

Science again appeals to a supernatural event of something coming from nothing that violates logic and a first principle of knowledge.

From nothing, nothing comes.

You, "life from no life... "life" is a concept - and a very ill-defined one until modern biology... a property of a system."

Nice attempt at saying nothing. If you cannot explain and prove where the first cell came from, without intelligence, you have no basis for your "slime plus time" theory of evolution.

You, "You could as well say computers are impossible, because the molecules that make them up don't run windows or linux!

That's a poor analogy and seems to be originating out of confusion and desperation.

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Comment #165993 by Remnant on April 22, 2008 at 4:42 pm

Re: Comment #165988 by Steve Zara on April 22, 2008 at 4:38 pm

"How do you define "macro-evolution"?"

Macro-evolution refers to any evolutionary change at or above the level of species.

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Comment #165986 by Remnant on April 22, 2008 at 4:37 pm

Here's a little more food for thought for the posers and non-thinkers to ponder. Maybe3, just maybe it will get a synapse firing.

http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Crumbling-Facade-Of-The-Theory-Of-Evolution&id=1042300

Enjoy! God loves you and wants you to use that brain He created you with.

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Comment #165978 by Remnant on April 22, 2008 at 4:31 pm

Re: Comment #165847 by Steve Zara on April 22, 2008 at 1:08 pm

You, "How can macro-evolution be implausible when we have actually seen it happen?"

Sure you have. The gal you picked up at last call after one too many looked like a princess but in the morning she was a beast.

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Comment #165959 by Remnant on April 22, 2008 at 4:14 pm

Re: Comment #165897 by BillySands on April 22, 2008 at 2:29 pm

You, "Yet my little verse contradicts your boring out of context passages. John is clearly saying that his gospel is presented that you may believe - you are being selective matey!"

I never said it wasn't, matey. I said that an unbeliever cannot properly interpret Scripture without guidance from the Holy Spirit. You have not only proven that, you have also proven that you have a problem with reading comprehension as well.

"Bring on the insults they are more amusing than your "arguments"."

The truth is not an insult except to one like you that rejects the truth.

You, "You do however show your contempt for humanity by not engaging properly with people you believe are going to hell - from your last post, you seem to think you are speeding us on our way, and you are proud of it."

I have no contempt for unbelievers I pray for them and feel sorry that they choose to remain blind to the truth. I do not send anyone anywhere. You do that by rejecting God's plan of salvation in Jesus Christ. God will reluctantly give you whatever destination you choose. I cannot determine or change your destination, only you can do that through faith in Christ.

You, "Do you happen to believe in the flood too?"

Yes

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Comment #165949 by Remnant on April 22, 2008 at 4:03 pm

Comment #164579 by Steve Zara on April 20, 2008 at 12:28 pm

You, "Some of us know the difference between science and science fiction. You are the one who believes in TARDISes."

Sure you do, the big bang (something from nothing), life from no life, black holes, multiple parallel universes, ten dimensions, self-replicating molecules on the backs of crystals, anti-matter, dark engry, dark matter,
wormholes.

"The fact that some scientific phenomena have come into "existence" through nothing more than logical deductions rather then hard facts does not preclude their serious consideration. The fact that we still cannot prove the existence of some of these theoretical entities does not keep scientists from accepting them as science.
These unproven phenomena, as speculative as they are, are given a status of legitimacy." Josh Greenberger

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Comment #165915 by Remnant on April 22, 2008 at 3:16 pm

Comment #165882 by Podaar on April 22, 2008 at 2:00 pm

You, "Seriously, isn't there a mall close by that you could terrorize?"

I heard that you have already done that. I know the aborted babies that the godless have murdered have been pretty terrorized.

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Comment #165876 by Remnant on April 22, 2008 at 1:51 pm

Re: Comment #165852 by Podaar on April 22, 2008 at 1:13 pm

You, "I read the article by the computer programmer you linked to. Is it just me or was his arguement; Modern life hasn't created any X-men therefore evolution is false?"

"Yikes! Is it me or did the room just get dumber?"

No, it's you and your volitionally closed mind. That and too much Kool-aid.

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Comment #165870 by Remnant on April 22, 2008 at 1:45 pm

Re: Comment #164292 by BillySands on April 20, 2008 at 2:47 am

You, "Isn't that the so called gnostic heresy that you some how need a special inside knowlegde- this gut cant even agree with other christians (infact none of them can - so much for its truth)."

You, "Strange that John should have a different take on the gospels:
John 20:31"but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name."

You, "It appears no special knowledge is required - if you believe fairy stories that is!"

I'll give you a pass since your ignorance of what the Bible teaches is so blatant. I do have to admit that it is humorous to watch an atheist get all befuddled by their lack of Biblical knowledge though.

1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1Co 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

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Comment #165867 by Remnant on April 22, 2008 at 1:44 pm

Re: Comment #164272 by irate_atheist on April 20, 2008 at 12:04 am
You, "For crying out loud. Does it require effort on my part of getting up early on a Sunday morning to call this numbskull a f-------?"

How funny, especially with that fruity looking avatar you have. You are describing your picture perfectly with your foul words. Stop looking in the mirror when you are writing.

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Comment #165839 by Remnant on April 22, 2008 at 12:58 pm

A little reading material regarding genetics, mutations,and the implausibility of macro-evolution.
It is never too late to pry open volitionally closed minds...

Enjoy...

http://ezinearticles.com/?Is-Evolution-An-Outdated-Theory?&id=148336

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Comment #164227 by Remnant on April 19, 2008 at 6:45 pm

Comment #164212 by gr8hands on April 19, 2008 at 5:55 pm

You, "Being that I am a seminary trained biblical scholar (but yet an atheist), I doubt that you are capable of showing any area where I have a misunderstanding. That is arrogant pride on your behalf, and you should repent of that sin. Unless, of course, you're merely a hypocrite."

oh, is that your demonstrations of arrogance, pride and hypocritical behavior? If you are a "seminary trained Biblical scholar", I hope you didn't invest too much in your education because you got scammed. You are evidence of the spiritual cesspools that many seminary have become. My fourteen year old could take you apart on theology and doctrine.


You, "Since you consider it a waste of time to educate us, you are clearly not a christian or interested in following the commandments of jesus.

I shared the Gospel with you, now your blood is on your own hands.

You, "We have no use for those who come to quote scriptures they don't understand, condemn science they don't understand, and are rude.:

And I have no use for those like you that know neither science or Scripture.

You, "I suggest that you simply leave this forum. I, for one, will simply ignore your posts --"

Oh censorship, just like Expelled has exposed. Good, ignore my posts, you are free to do so but you cannot "ignore" the truth of God's Word regarding your destiny. You don't determine truth and you obviously don't know it or Scripture either.

My suggestion for you is to repent and come to Christ. I will be praying for you.

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Comment #164225 by Remnant on April 19, 2008 at 6:32 pm

#164189 by gr8hands on April 19, 2008 at 5:17 pm

I'll do just these three or four for you because like I said, the problem is that you are unsaved and cannot have an understanding of the Bible. The error is with your understanding. A common mistake unbelievers make is to take Scripture out of context. Bible verses must be interpreted in context of the surrounding verses, and in the context of the whole Word of God. They also fail to understand that the Bible reveals God's requirements for righteousness and also the actions of fallen man. Many things in the Bible are recording man's actions and God's revelation of what man did or will do but these are not always orders by God.

In Jonah, God was going to destroy Nineveh for their wickless which he has every right to do as our Creator. Jonah warned them.

Jon 3:4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.

The people repented and God decided not to destroy them.
The word translated for evil is ra‛ râ‛âh'. From H7489; bad or (as noun) evil (naturally or morally). This includes the second (feminine) form; as adjective or noun: - adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, displease (-ure), distress, evil ([-favouredness], man, thing), exceedingly, X great, grief (-vous), harm, heavy, hurt (-ful), ill (favoured), mark, mischief, (-vous), misery, naught (-ty), noisome, not please, sad (-ly), sore, sorrow, trouble, vex, wicked (-ly, -ness, one), worse (-st) wretchedness, wrong. [Including feminine ra'ah; as adjective or noun.] Strong's dictionary

The Bible teaches God is good, not evil. In the verse you referenced, the context of evil is adversity or calamity. God is not evil as your finite mind describes evil He is just and good. The evil referred to the just destruction of Nineveh for their wickedness. A loving God decided to not destroy the city because they repented.

In 1 Chronicles 21:15 the same thing applies. In Amps 7:6, the word translated for repent nâcham. A primitive root; properly to sigh, that is, breathe strongly; by implication to be sorry, that is, (in a favorable sense) to pity, console or (reflexively) rue; or (unfavorably) to avenge (oneself): - comfort (self), ease [one's self], repent (-er, -ing, self). Strong's dictionary



God does not sin, He is holy. The Lord felt pity and felt sorry. He was not repenting od a sin as your finite mind may interpret it.

In Isaiah 13, the Lord was revealing that He was going to punish them for their sin and disobedience. He was describing how they would be totally destroyed. God is all-knowing so He knew how viscous man can be and he was prophesying what would happen. He was telling them they would be conquered but he was not ordering the heathen that would do the conquering to perform these acts. He was describing what would happen as an all-knowing God.

2 Kings, it does not say that Elisha prayed to God or that God sent the bear. It says that Elisha cursed them in the name of God. The word translated for cursed is qâlal.
A primitive root; to be (causatively make) light, literally (swift, small, sharp, etc.) or figuratively (easy, trifling, vile, etc.): - abate, make bright, bring into contempt, (ac-) curse, despise, (be) ease (-y, -ier), (be a, make, make somewhat, move, seem a, set) light (-en, -er, ly, -ly afflict, -ly esteem, thing), X slight [-ly], be swift (-er), (be, be more, make, re-) vile, whet. Strong's dictionary


2Ki 2:23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
2Ki 2:24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tore forty and two children of them.


As you see, you have very little understanding of God's Word. I am not willing to do this for every verse you try and dig up out of context because I doubt if you really even care. You are not seeking the truth. You are simply trying to discredit the Word of God. I am not willing to waste my time on one with that attitude.

Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

Isa 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Isa 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
Rom 11:34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counselor?


1Co 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
1Co 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to naught:
1Co 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
1Co 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1Co 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Now why don't you show me the scientific proof for chemical driven morals. hahahahah

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Comment #164205 by Remnant on April 19, 2008 at 5:42 pm

Comment #164189 by gr8hands

I am not really going to waste time on someone that has no concept of God. Without the guidance of the Holy Spirit, it is impossible for you to understand Scripture. I'll just let God's Word give you a few pointers.

Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
2Co 4:5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
2Co 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

Isa 44:18 They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.


I can refute every misunderstanding you have of the what the Bible reveals. I am not going to waste my time on it though because I do not feel that you are seeking the truth. My only responsibility to the Lord is to share the Gospel with you. I can't change your heart nor will I try. Only God can change your heart but you must be willing.

God is just. He is holy and cannot let sin and evil into His presence. All humans are fallen sinners. We are separated from God. The penalty for sin is death. As our Creator, God is perfectly just and it would be just for Him to destroy His entire creation, which He will do at the end times
he will do. God would not be holy if he allowed sin into His presence. He would not be just if He did not punish sin. God is also love. In His love and grace, he offered us plan of salvation from our lost state. He loves us so much that He sent His only Son to die as a propitiation, a substitute for us. Those that accept Christ's gift of salvation through faith in Him are returned to fellowship with the Father and will have eternal life. Those that reject Him will remain condemned. We have a free will to accept Him or reject Him. God will reluctantly give us the consequences of whatever choice we make.

Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Jn 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1Jn 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life: and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
1Jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;


Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.


Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the Scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1Ti 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

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Comment #164192 by Remnant on April 19, 2008 at 5:23 pm

2736. Comment #164167 by phasmagigas

You, "remnanat, i'm telling you now, the combined minds on this board will annihilate each and every argument you make, I predict now that you will move from evo (something you know nothing about) to god, something that none of us can say anything about, thats how it works, then you will vanish after throwing a bit of the bible out here, ending with a 'i'll be praying for you' same old.........."

Jesus, Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Thanks for your advice but I will stick with Jesus.

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Comment #164188 by Remnant on April 19, 2008 at 5:16 pm

Comment #164181 by Radesq

I really am not going to waste time on a spiritually blind, lost person like you trying to educate you on the truth of God's innerant, inspired Word. There is more evidence for the truth of the Bible than for your existence.


Eru huh? Woah puppy, you have some serious issues.

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Comment #164180 by Remnant on April 19, 2008 at 5:12 pm

Comment #164110 by phasmagigas

Hey, I like your self-portrait. Ti will probably come in real handy to look like that someday. You'll fit right in.

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Comment #164177 by Remnant on April 19, 2008 at 5:05 pm

Comment #164160 by AllanW

You, Quoting scripture?"

Yes a little Scripture, God's truth brought into the mix is alway good to set the atheists amok.

Sort of like pouring gasoline on a fire. It has done the same thing for centuries. There is just something about truth, especially God's truth that sets you all crazy.

Wait till you face the truth face to face. There's no turning back then. The high priests of your religion won't be able to help either.

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Comment #164169 by Remnant on April 19, 2008 at 4:57 pm

Comment #164115 by Steve Zara on April 19, 2008

Your premise is false.

At the big bang, creation moment, all space, time, energy and matter were created out of nothing.

The Casimir shows a curious phenomenon, nothing more. The Casimir effect does not create space, time or matter. I realize that you FAITH requires that you pretend it shows more than a curious phenomenon "proves" more than it does.

God gave you a free will to believe whatever you want. That will serve you well in this temporal world. Won't do much for you in eternity however.

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Comment #164159 by Remnant on April 19, 2008 at 4:38 pm

Comment #164135 by phasmagigas on April 19, 2008 at 3:45 pm

You, "remnant, you dare to call something a FALSE religion, may cthulhu forgive you."

You, "evo is not a religion but to suggest that there are 'false' religions anyway really is quite silly."

You comment reveal that you know little about science and even less about faith and Christianity.

Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

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Comment #164156 by Remnant on April 19, 2008 at 4:34 pm

The fossil record

Most honest evolutionary scientists will admit that the fossil record provides weak evidence of transition between species. There have been over 200 million fossils found. These have been grouped into around 250 thousand different species. The fossil record better reflects the sudden extinction of species and the sudden appearance of new, entirely different species rather than transition between species. In spite of over 200 million fossil finds, there are less than 100 fossils that scientists even can SPECULATE that MIGHT be evidence of POTENTIAL transition between species. That represents a mere .000001 % of all know fossil discoveries that scientists can even use for their SPECULATIONS to support their FAITH in their RELIGION of evolution. Oh if there were just any evidence that just 1% of the 200 million fossils that could be open to SPECULATION, then they could INVENT scenarios and fairy tales about 2,000,000 fossils. No, they are stuck with a mere 100 FOSSILS out of 200,000,000 fossils to support their FAITH. You have to give them credit though, for they sure do have a tremendous amount of BLIND FAITH.

Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

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Comment #164111 by Remnant on April 19, 2008 at 2:47 pm

Re: Comment #164096 by epeeist

You are so funny, I am not superior to anyone just , saved whereas you are any any atheist is lost. "Oxygen thief" huh? Do you have a picture of Stalin or mo tattooed on you are? So what do you advocate, killing all of the Christians?

Irreducible complexity, the language of DNA, something from nothing (Big Bang), abiogenesis, the dozens and dozens of finely tuned anthropic principles,the origin of morality, of consciousness, of the mind, fulfilled prophecy, changed lives, the list goes on and on. The evidence for God is overwhelming, you are just too blind to see it.

All atheism produces are foul mouth, insulting, blind fools like yourself.

By the way, I wouldn't be bragging about your wife and the public indoctrination centers. Change agents like your wife are just pawns that have been put in the indoctrination centers to destroy children's beliefs and faith. They are as Lenin referred to them "useful idiots" that are just doing a job for their masters. The public indoctrination centers are there to destroy children and God will take care of those that have a part in destroying the faith of children.

Now little man, why don't you why don't you provide the scientific evidence where life has been created from non-life or where something was created from nothing.

You won't because you can't and you know you can't.

You don't have the critical thinking skills to explore the evidence. You just drink the Kool-aid and have blind FAITH in the priests of your false religion.




Why don't you provide the scientific evidence where life has been created from non-life or where something was created from nothing.

No, that's not the way it works. You came here a complete blowhard in an attempt to show your superiority over these god-hating atheists.

What you didn't think would happen was they would ask you hard questions. Actually ask you to show how your "theories" were better than the ones that are already in place.

And you failed to supply answers, failed miserably. Because you are a know nothing, an oxygen thief. Someone whose whole library consists of one book. Someone whose whole study is less than that taught to seven year olds in my wife's school.

Zaphod should have used rather more of the quotation, all you have brought us is "a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing."

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Comment #164048 by Remnant on April 19, 2008 at 1:05 pm

Comment #164028 by BillySands

You, "Remnant, Why did you lie? Is this ethical? Why should we believe anything you should say now?"

Is that you absolute determination? I haven't lied sir, but you seem to have quite a fondness for the practice. Since you believe in naturalism and therefore moral relativism maybe you are having a chemical problem or a synapse or two misfiring. But that's ok,it a "natural thing", right?

It is really funny though how you try to appeal to God's Moral standard of a God that you deny exists. Your behavior violates the law of non contradiction.

In addition, though I did not lie, if someone gained some kind of an advantage over another person by lying, this would be a desirable trait for survival through the filter of "natural selection". According to your worldview, this would be desirable as a survivability trait.

That being said, why are you now arguing against something that would be beneficial under natural selection? The more you talk, the more you show how contradicted your worldview is.

Lying is acceptable under your moralistic world view, even desirable, why would you argue against omething that is desirable under your world view?

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Comment #164035 by Remnant on April 19, 2008 at 12:51 pm

Comment #164016 by epeeist

"Come on Remnant - answer the questions."

Final answer for today. i want to get out and enjoy God's Creation for a bit.

I am a creationist friend. True science is the search for causes wherever that many lead. Pseudo- science, as defined today by the science academy, is the search for causes to support an atheistic worldview and only that worldview. Psuedo-science is defined to exclude supernatural causes, that is unless it is needed, as in the universe (something) originating from nothing, and lifer originating from non-life.

Why don't you provide the scientific evidence where life has been created from non-life or where something was created from nothing.

Psuedo-science, or as I prefer to call it, bad science, ignores the first principles of knowledge . Things like from nothing comes nothing or everything that begins to exist must have a cause. Bad science does not have the answers for this and never will because they are caused by events outside of our natural world and bad science has excluded, by definition, the possibility of ever exploring that. This was done intentionally to exclude a Creator and is intellectual dishonesty.

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Comment #164022 by Remnant on April 19, 2008 at 12:36 pm

Comment #164007 by Steve Zara

You, "Certainly. Here is Peripatus"

"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peripatus:

Wikipedia as a science source?" How funny and quaint! you are not a change agent (schoolteacher) , in one of the public indoctrination centers are you? Wikipedia as a source in a science discussion, that's classic.

You, "It is transitional between annelid worms and arthropods."

From your "science source"

"It is said to be a living fossil because it has been unchanged for approximately 570 million years." no where in your "science source did it even allege it is an example of a living transitional creature.

You, "Education is fun, isn't it? You can discover something new when you least expect it."

Yes, and perhaps you should finally decide to start that journey.

Well, I have to run for now. I am going to head out and enjoy God's creation for a bit.

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Comment #164009 by Remnant on April 19, 2008 at 12:27 pm

Re: 2627. Comment #163999 by BillySands

You, "Looks like remnant has given up on evidence and started throwing general insults. Living up to creotard ideal.

Offend
Lie
provide no evidence
lie some more
avoid the issue
quote mine
be rude
ignore question
get pwned and throw about more insults"

Pardon me, but it seems that you are the one that is lying now. I have not used profanity, called anyone a name, or made any sort of personal attack. Why do you have to resort to that?

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Comment #164005 by Remnant on April 19, 2008 at 12:20 pm

Re: Comment #163986 by BillySands

You, "No one is interested in the argument from authority fallacy."

Really, is that your argument from authority?

Rather that discuss you adult fairy tales which are nothing more than speculations, why don't you show me just one living transitional creature.

You, "PS, my muslim mate says christianity is wrong - think about why you dont accept this argument from authority"

Your muslim mate has the right and free will to believe whatever he wants, act accordingly, and receive the fate he chooses, and so do you.

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Comment #163995 by Remnant on April 19, 2008 at 12:12 pm

Re: Comment #163983 by Bonzai

You, "The private musings of scientists are just their personal opinions, not science. All these quotes appeal to emotion, rather than any sound argument."

Really, is that your "private musing".

You, "Quit spamming the thread, you idiot."

Four things you can always count on when dealing with atheists.

1. a filthy mouth

2. Censorship of dissenting thought.

3. An abundance of false premises and self-defeating statements.

4. a blind faith UNSUPPORTED BY ANY EVIDENCE.

Thanks for the demonstration of all four.

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Comment #163988 by Remnant on April 19, 2008 at 12:02 pm

Re: Comment #163973 by Steve Zara

"They aren't generated by accident, but by natural selection."

Sorry Steve, natural selection is not a cause. It can be considered a filter that excludes or includes existing, caused traits. It has no creative power to cause anything.

Sorry no cigar for that rudimentary and desperate claim.

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Comment #163981 by Remnant on April 19, 2008 at 11:53 am

Now we come to the real reason atheists make a "volitional choice" to ignore the mountains of evidence for the truth of Christianity and cling desperately to the myths of their FAITH in secular humanism/naturalism.

"I had motives for not wanting the world to have meaning; consequently assumed that it had none, and was able without any difficulty to find satisfying reasons for this assumption ... For myself, as no doubt, for most of my contemporaries, the philosophy of meaninglessness was essentially an instrument of liberation. The liberation we desired was simultaneous liberation from a certain political and economic system, and liberation from a certain system of morality. We objected to the morality because it interfered with our sexual freedom."(REPORT, June 1966. "Confession of Professed Atheist," A. Huxley)

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Comment #163978 by Remnant on April 19, 2008 at 11:48 am

"This is an exceedingly strange development, unexpected by all but the theologians. They have always accepted the word of the Bible: In the beginning God created heaven and earth... [But] for the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; [and] as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."
- Robert Jastrow (God and the Astronomers [New York: W.W. Norton and Co., 1978], 116. Professor Jastrow was the founder of NASA's Goddard Institute, now director of the Mount Wilson

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Comment #163977 by Remnant on April 19, 2008 at 11:47 am

"Astronomy leads us to a unique event, a universe which was created out of nothing, one with the very delicate balance needed to provide exactly the conditions required to permit life, and one which has an underlying (one might say 'supernatural') plan."- Arno Penzias (Nobel prize in physics)
Margenau, H and R.A. Varghese, ed. 1992. Cosmos, Bios, and Theos. La Salle, IL, Open Court, p. 83.

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Comment #163976 by Remnant on April 19, 2008 at 11:46 am

"I find it quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery but is the explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something instead of nothing."
- Alan Sandage (winner of the Crawford prize in astronomy)Willford, J.N. March 12, 1991. Sizing up the Cosmos: An Astronomers Quest. New York Times, p. B9.

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Comment #163970 by Remnant on April 19, 2008 at 11:41 am

"The statistical probability that organic structures and the most precisely harmonized reactions that typify living organisms would be generated by accident, is zero."- Ilya Prigogine (Chemist-Physicist) Recipient of two Nobel Prizes in chemistry I. Prigogine, N. Gregair, A. Babbyabtz, Physics Today 25, pp. 23-28