151. Anti-Darwinists turned away by Israeli academia

Comment #212953 by lastgreekstanding on July 17, 2008 at 10:52 pm

Christopher Davis,

Since Al Rawandi has already done a more than adequate job explaining how the U.S. Military bends over backwards to avoid civilian casualities, I'll refrain from beating a dead horse.

LOL

Also, the way we tell the civilians from the fighters over here (I'm currently in Afghanistan), is by waiting until they shoot at us.

LOL

152. France rejects Muslim woman over radical practice of Islam

Comment #210505 by lastgreekstanding on July 14, 2008 at 5:40 pm

rod-the-farmerJe voudrais etre capable de parler entierement en francais, et on m'a dit que j'ai du bon accent, mai je manque de la pratique.

Your French is great. If more English speaking Canadians made the effort to learn Canada's other official language, the separatists in Quebec would be marginalised . . . permanently!

Please excuse my English keyboard. Typing accents is such a pain in Windows.

I hear you. You should try typing Greek characters (and yes, including accents and breathing marks) in Windows!

I only mentioned English areas of Canada, because I AM familiar with the scenario I described therein. I cannot speak with experience about French-speaking areas of Canada.

Regarding cultural ghettos in Quebec, only the Hasidic Jews keep to themselves. What are you going to do? They don't bother anybody.

Btw---in Quebec, especially Montreal and surrounding areas, people try to send their children to bilingual schools. Also, many first and second generation children learn their parent's mother tongue in addition to French and English. My toddler is already fluently trilingual---English, French, and Greek.

hawt4dawk
Where are you from if you don't mind my asking? I notice you didn't list it.

Montreal.

What do you mean by your comment "french fries, anyone?"

"French fries" versus "Freedom fries". Remember some years back when a couple of silly Congressmen in the Excited States pushed for the name switch in the House's food courts to show their displeasure over France's decision not to back the Anglo-American invasion of Iraq? I was alluding to that in my comment.

It's a pity that most Americans don't know how great France's contribution was to America's war of independence.

153. France rejects Muslim woman over radical practice of Islam

Comment #209600 by lastgreekstanding on July 12, 2008 at 6:33 pm

rod-the-farmer---In any case, the ruling has my support. The English areas of Canada have many people who came here as immigrants decades ago, but who still cannot (apparently) speak English, because they immersed themselves in cultural ghettos where they had no need to speak English.

Do you speak French?

hawt4dawk---As for American feelings or attitude toward the French, I am happy to report that many Americans I know still respect and admire the French and remember our long history as allies.

They better. Without the huge help of France, the American Revolution would have failed.

French fries, anyone?


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154. Sir John M. Templeton, Philanthropist, Dies at 95

Comment #209467 by lastgreekstanding on July 12, 2008 at 10:59 am

Red Rocz,

My condolences to you and the family.

155. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat

Comment #206840 by lastgreekstanding on July 8, 2008 at 9:40 pm

al-rawandi---My cyber stalker, I wish I could get a restraining order.... anyhow.

Have you flown over the fuckin' cuckoo's nest? That would be quite an achievement given that this birdy doesn't build nests!

Yo! al-rawandi! If you haven't noticed, your postings oscillate between plain falsehoods and outright lunacy. You are to critical thinking what the Daily Mail is to journalism. That's why I'm calling you out. Trust me, I couldn't care less about you.

al-rawandi---Are we still going over Bishara, the guy broke the law in Israel.

I don't know of any Bishara who broke any laws. I am referring to . . .

"the little guy was giving Hezbollah contacts details on how Israel would react to a series of rocket attacks from Hezbollah. And even urging them to attack farther south than Haifa. His phone calls with the Hezbollah operative are indeed most damning."

Are you a big Mel Brooks fan? I'm asking because the above plot is so ridiculous it appears to be lifted straight out of a Mel Brooks comedy. (That's what I mean by outright lunacy.)

I said---Note that al-rawandi claims to have a degree in Middle Eastern Studies---the same al-rawandi who could not (in a previous thread) distinguish between "Cyprus" the state and "Cypress" the tree!!!

al-rawandi---Oh give this one up, in my haste I spelled the country incorrectly, as I grew up near Cypress, CA. A simple mistake in a hastily typed post.

That's the problem, al-rawandi. Your posts are hastily written. If you took the time to think a little before posting we wouldn't have to endure absurdities like the following:

I too want to have the Palestinians realize a state, but that requires credibility, and the Palestinians have none at this point.

The Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza have been under brutal occupation for over two generations! A Palestinian can't cross the street without having to go through an Israeli checkpoint. What fuckin' credibility are you fuckin' talking about, idiot?!

Then there's this beauty:

Read the Old Testament, a nasty and violent text. And Jews were nasty and violent. They then spent 2,000 years in Europe and came back a lot nicer than the people who remained in the region (Arabs).

LOL

As for Turkish and Urdu, I never claimed to be fluent in Turkish or Urdu, I simply studied the languages, yet you place "fluent" in quotations, so I ask you why you put "fluent" in quotations if I never said it?

More of your lies, so please show me where I claimed fluency in these languages, or you can issue a retraction for both stupidity and dishonesty.

Oh, boo-hoo!

And I sufficiently demonstrated that Hezbollah claimed Jews spread AIDS, at which point you said that they never said they spread it "intentionally". Talk about buffoonery, you cannot even manage to condemn the state "Jews spread AIDS", even after you downplayed it as "unintentional".

Styrer, Fanusi, etc...,

What the greek most disdains is intellectual honesty.

When I point out the fact that children a routinely used to carry out suicide attacks, he focuses on the fact that two women weren't actually mentally retarded (the two who were erroneously reported to have carried out attacks).

When I point out the fact that Hezbollah claimed Jews spread AIDS in the Middle East, he can only whine that they never said it was "intentional". As if the demarcation even means anything.

When I point out the fact that Hezbollah broadcasts television shows that are cheap paraphrases of the Protocols, he changes the subject.

Pay attention.

I don't care about Hezbollah's politics---whether they're Marxists, socialists, or superfuckin' capitalists.

I don't care about Hezbollah's religion---whether they're Muslims, Hindus, or superfuckin' Jehovah's Witnesses.

I don't care what those fuckers put in their hummus---whether they add tahini or not.

I am only interested in the military wing of Hezbollah. I admire their discipline and bravery. THEY ARE SPARTAN TOUGH. When Apartheid Israel invaded Lebanon in 2006, they stood their ground and defended their land. And how they fought!. A few thousand Hezbollah fighters humiliated the much vaunted Israeli army.

As for Hezbollah's broadcasts, so what. Whether it's true or not, it's just empty rhetoric. You should listen to the degrading shit coming out of the Israeli side, especially from Knesset Members, regarding Arabs and Palestinians. Then again, it's not surprising that you may have some antisemitic sentiment from Hezbollah militants. How many times has Apartheid Israel invaded Lebanon? How many Lebanese dead as a result? Fuck Apartheid Israel's feelings!

Styrer---You may also wish to re-visit your method of commenting on posts. The above is an absolute disgrace. Do you think one-word epithets above blocks of comment, for which you provide neither rebuttal, insight, nor agreement, make of you any more than a twattingly intellectually vacuous irrelevance to the discussions involved?

I have already commented on the posts in question in other threads.

For the finale, Styrer vomited---P.S. Don't forget to shove those perverse comments about 'fish' right up your fucking arse to reside stinkingly there till your next blasting fart takes the form of text on these boards. Agreed? Nice.

Isn't the internet great, Styrer? Instead of unloading your frustrations and anger on your significant other, you unloaded on me instead. :)

Give my regards to your significant other.

Fanusi Khiya---lI know I should resist, but there is something perversely enjoyable in being able to lower the guns to deck level and load them with grape.

Coming from a chickenhawk like you, the metaphor is hilarious. Silly boy!


Cheers!

156. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat

Comment #204325 by lastgreekstanding on July 4, 2008 at 6:46 pm

Goldy---LGS, your post becomes a bit hard to understand near the end...

I'm sorry. I used Notepad instead of Wordpad. Never again. I quickly did some editing to make it more clear, but I'm having some difficulty with my ISP so I can't spend too much time on it. Hope it helps.

157. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat

Comment #204323 by lastgreekstanding on July 4, 2008 at 6:11 pm

Is this where the fish come to spawn?

To paraphrase G.K. Chesterton, it's funny how when people stop believing in God they often become not more skeptical but more ready to believe anything. You'd expect it to be the other way around.

RamziD---What are Fanusi and Al's credentials that make them experts on islam?

Straight from the horse's mouth:

al-rawandi---I studied Arabic, Turkish, and Urdu at Berkeley. My general degree was in Middle Eastern Studies. Most of the coursework was in the Near Eastern Studies Department. My advisor was Hamid Algar (translator for Imam Khomeini and author of dozens of books and journal articles on Islam). My thesis was on Muhammad Ibn Abd al-Wahhab in which I translated large portions of several of his works.

In addition to the actual coursework I studied independently with a Mauritanian "shaykh" and his student. I also spend a LOT of time reading, and keep up to date with most of the latest in publications on topics Middle Eastern and Islamic.

I have also published several itmes, but if you want the info on those go ahead an PM me, as there is more background needed.

Oh and finally my blog with I shamelessly plug here:

http://alrawandi.blogspot.com/

Let's ponder the following "pithy" statements posted by al-rawandi in different threads in this website:

Ok. I said Israel is a racist state in determining citizenship and in the Occupied Territories. That doesn't mean it isn't a democracy . . .

Buffoonery

Your darling organization, Hezbollah, is a disgustingly anti-semitic organization. Forwarding ridiculous lies about Jews spreading AIDS...

Buffoonery

Bishara [Azmi Bishara, Christian Arab, and former Member of the Knesset] had his phone wire tapped, and what do you know... the little guy was giving Hezbollah contacts details on how Israel would react to a series of rocket attacks from Hezbollah. And even urging them to attack farther south than Haifa. His phone calls with the Hezbollah operative are indeed most damning.

Buffoonery and Gullibility

Look at Israel and look at the history of Jews. Jews in the OT are mean sons of bitches, slaughtering, killing, stoning, hating. They spend a few centuries in Europe, undergo all the influences of an enlightenment and come back a secular group of civilized people (although far from perfect). Now, how many Jews do you see stoning people for cutting their hair to short? Or working on Saturday? None, zero.

Muslim society can undergo an enlightenment, just not an Arab Muslim society.

Racism

The Arab-Muslims in Iraq have just sent an 8 year old girl into a crowded area and detonated the bomb strapped to her chest (she probably didn't know it was a bomb) from a distance. Or when they used two women with Downs Syndrome to carry remotely detonated bombs into a crowded market.

Gullibility

Chomsky was exposed as an neo-nazi defending, fabricator and exaggerator.

Buffoonery


Now a touch of rationality:

Post #294 by Steve Zara--- I tend to agree. At the very least, a story from such a source should not be posted without independent verification. In my opinion.

Followed, unfortunately, by a touch of irrationality:

Post #295 by al-rawandi---Who gives a fuck where the story appears. Is it true or false? If it's true than it doesn't matter who conveys the information.

Note that al-rawandi claims to have a degree in Middle Eastern Studies---the same al-rawandi who could not (in a previous thread) distinguish between "Cyprus" the state and "Cypress" the tree!!!

He also claims to have studied the Arabic language. Yet from another thread,

It is people like you [yours truly] who these people so laugh at, not me, but Muslims. Useful idiot, I can't remember the Arabic word for that, but believe me those many radical Muslims view you as such.

Can you believe it? This "translator" of Arabic can't remember this simple Arabic word. I wonder if he's as "fluent" in Turkish and Urdu.

Please, this racist, irrational, gullible buffoon should not be taken seriously. His blog should be shunned. For anyone looking for intelligent, insightful commentary on the Middle East, I strongly recommend As'ad AbuKhalil's site: www.angryarab.blogspot.com (The Angry Arab News Service). He is a professor at Berkeley.


Episches. embalwmen eis allon logon:

#467 by Kurtz---Goldy, that story about South Africa is extraordinary. Well it didn't take long for African culture to show its true colours. They couldn't even wait for Mandela to die before reversing what he tried to achieve.

Nostalgic for colonial times, Kurtz?


Speudw poi, kai moi hwra apienai.



Chronia Polla, America!

P.S. Euripides, Plato


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158. Divine Impulses: Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Comment #203389 by lastgreekstanding on July 2, 2008 at 7:20 pm

Fanusi Khiyal---al and others, do you now see why I say that I find the company of Christian fundies much more wholesome than certain atheists?

? ? ?

I never said I was an atheist, FK.

159. Divine Impulses: Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Comment #200095 by lastgreekstanding on June 26, 2008 at 9:29 pm

al-rawandi---You are correct, government housing encourages migration to settlements . . .

What can I say, I'm a rocket scientist.

al-rawandi---. . . but who would migrate to the settlements?

Answer: Israelis, because "government housing encourages migration to settlements".

al-rawandi---Islam, as a social system, is a failed ideology already. We cannot show these whackos that their ideology is failed because it is in plain sight, they live in squalor and they see this as confirmation of their beliefs. The only option is to kill them, or allow them a state in which they can busy themselves stoning adulterers and beheading people.

Kill them? Final Solution style? What about the women and children? Should we kill them, too, just to be on the safe side lest they multiply, whacko?

al-rawandi---Look at Israel and look at the history of Jews. Jews in the OT are mean sons of bitches, slaughtering, killing, stoning, hating. They spend a few centuries in Europe, undergo all the influences of an enlightenment and come back a secular group of civilized people (although far from perfect).

You really don't know European history, al-rawandi---or much of any history, for that matter:

World War I brought misery and death to millions of Europeans. In the Battle of the Somme, the Brits suffered approx. 60,000 casualties on the very first day of battle! Do you know what were the causes of this war? Don't sweat it, al-rawandi. It was "over spilled milk", or some other trivial matter. Imagine. Millions of Europeans killed, maimed, or dispossessed "over spilled milk"!

A generation later, these "civilized" Europeans were at it again. When they weren't too busy slaughtering each other during World War II, they sent millions of Jews, Gypsies, and other undesirables to the gas chambers and furnaces.

And as for the European Jews having experienced the "enlightenment": The Irgun terrorists were Jews (Zionists) of European ancestry. Do these "enlightened" Jews ring a bell? Well, when they weren't hanging British soldiers in Palestine, they were ethnically cleansing the native inhabitants from their land. (Deir Yassin) The Butcher of Lebanon was a Jew (Zionist) of European ancestry. The murderers responsible for the massacre at Qana (Operation Grapes of Wrath) were Jews (Zionists) of European ancestry. If I am not mistaken, most, if not all, nasty Zionists are---you guessed it---of European ancestry.

Evidently, the Enlightenment had no positive effect on Europeans, al-rawandi.

al-rawandi---Muslim society can undergo an enlightenment, just not an Arab Muslim society.

You sure "enlightenmenmt" would be wise? LOL

For someone who claims to have a degree in Middle East Studies and can't distinguish between "Cyprus" the country and "Cypress" the tree (a fuckin' tree, stupid!), it is highly unlikely that someone would have a knowledgeable understanding of the politics and history of the Arab and Muslim worlds. Point!

Put aside the hard porn, al-rawandi, and get a job---a paying job! It's evident from the shit you post that you have too much---way too much---time on your hands.

Atanu---As always, AHA is very impressive.

Ditto. A very impressive liar.

In As'ad Abukhlil's blog www.angryarab.blogspot.com, someone was kind enough to translate a good portion of the (reliable) Dutch documentary (2006) on Hirsi Ali. Here it is:

The documentary I believe demonstrates, in devastating fashion, that Hirsi Ali is an even bigger fraud than she is given credit for by people with genuine knowledge about the subjects she pontificates on. Why? Because she is an invented persona. As you may know, her reputation is built on her purported suffering as an oppressed Islamic woman, forced marriage, and determination to escape not only this forced marriage but the purported consequence of leaving it - an honour killing at the hands of her shamed relatives.
Among the facts revealed by this documentary, that I can of course not independently verify:
- Apart from the occasional spat with her brother and sister during her youth, which are not discussed in the documentary, she never experienced civil/political conflict, whether in her native Somalia or anywhere else. Period.
- Her family are such Islamic fanatics that they sent her older brother to a Christian school in Nairobi. Ayaan herself was sent to a Muslim school, apparently for reasons of educational quality rather than religion. They were also not exactly suffering economically. Although the parents were divorces, mother and 3 children grew up in a spacious house in one of the best districts in Nairobi, the house is now inhabited by 3 families.
- Her mother was against her purportedly forced marriage, because she felt strongly that Ayaan should not get married before getting a university degree to protect her from the consequences of an eventual divorce.
- She claims she met her husband, a distant relative, on her wedding day. He claims they knew each other beforehand and were in love, or at least so he thought. He claims he would not have married her against her will. He also notes that rather than dragging her by the hair to Canada after the marriage he went there alone and sent her a ticket to join him some months later.
- She claims the whole reason she had to escape to Holland (her flight to Canada included a stopover in Germany whence she took a train to Amsterdam) was to escape her family and certain death at the hands of her shamed father etc. Yet the first thing she did was contact relatives in Amsterdam; she participated in a television documentary about refugees in the Netherlands very soon after arriving there; she was in regular contact with her father by phone and letter; and her husband in fact visited her at the asylum center and, rather than killing her like a lamb at Eid, agreed to a divorce.
- The documentary does not go beyond the facts, but my own provisional conclusion is that it was indeed an arranged marriage, arranged either by herself for opportunistic reasons or, perhaps, also with the collaboration of her 'husband', to escape Kenya and get to Europe - I suspect she would not have been able to obtain a visa to make the flight so easily if she did not have a marriage certificate to show the Canadian consulate in Nairobi. Her brother comes within the vicinity of stating this, but another thing that struck me is that he spoke very highly of her, while her parents refused to cooperate in the documentary because they did not want their words to be used against her. Not quite as aggrieved by their supposed "culture of shame" and her subsequent career as we have been led to believe.
- Given the sensitivity of the topic and anti-immigrant mood in the Netherlands I also felt the documentary was quite responsible in this respect, making it a main issue that she represents a party that has championed anti-immigrant measures; that the party leaders were apparently informed about the above or much of it and kept it under wraps; and that its government ministers have been expelling genuine refugees for precisely the kind of thing related above.
- To sum up, Hirsi Harisa whatever her name may be appears to have given "freedom of expression" an entirely new meaning...
Best,
M

Logicel---Ayaan is a neoCon--haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, and I am an goose with golden-egg laying skills.

Wow! How big are the eggs, goose?

thewhitepearl---She is such a miraculous and brave woman.

It's a "miracle" she wasn't jailed or, at the very least, deported. That's what they do to people who violate the law, atheists!

Fanusi Khiyal---Why am I not suprised that there's no indecency lastgreekstanding will not stoop to?

That's hilarious coming from you, FK:

FK---It may have escaped your notice, but Ayaan Hirsi Ali is under the kind of constant threat that not even soldiers in the military are. they can come home, and they are heavily trained, and equipped with good weaponry, and surrounded by people they trust who fight alongside them.

Ayaan has none of these things. You should be ashamed of yourself.

You're kidding, right? Tell that to the American men and women SERVING in Afghanistan and Iraq.

One more indecency, FK:

For the record, talking with Iran is a waste of time, so we'd better destroy those centrifuges or be prepared for a nuclear war.

How splendid. You're going to risk World War III because you think "talking with Iran is a waste of time" not to mention the thousands of innocent Iranian casualties. For the record, you're fucked in the head. Seriously.

Btw, who is "we", G. I. Joe?

elephant---Not really on topic, but since it came up:

Does religion turn people into austere ass holes, or do austere ass holes gravitate towards religion?

Actually, this really is on topic:

Are austere A-holes (say . . . like the elephant) born, or do they develop into A-holes?


Cheers

GO, SPAIN, GO!

160. Divine Impulses: Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Comment #195163 by lastgreekstanding on June 17, 2008 at 8:24 pm

mmurray,

Being anti-Islam (and atheist) does not alone make her a right wing neo-con, or else we'd all share that label.

What many people here don't like (if previous AHA threads are anything to go by) is her job at the American Enterprise Institute.

From an interview she gave on www.reason.com:

Reason: Do you see eye to eye with high-profile AEI hawks such as former Bush speechwriter David Frum and former U.N. Ambassador John Bolton?

Hirsi Ali: Most of the time I do. For instance, I completely and utterly agree with John Bolton that talking to Iran is a sheer waste of time.


Then, Hirsi Ali (or whatever your real name is), grab your gun!

161. Divine Impulses: Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Comment #194433 by lastgreekstanding on June 16, 2008 at 7:21 pm

Her name is not Ayaan Hirsi Ali but rather Ayaan Hirsi Magan!

This according to a Dutch television documentary on her life, broadcast two years ago. Someone on another blog---angryarab.blogspot.com---was kind enough to tranlate portions of the documentary into English. From the snippets that I have read, this Ayaan person is a Fraud (that's right, with a capital F!). Everything, from why she escaped to the Netherlands, her forced marriage, her family problems, etc., one big fat lie.


al-rawandi,

And Jews were nasty and violent. They then spent 2,000 years in Europe and came back a lot nicer than the people who remained in the region (Arabs). Even 2,000 years in the west didn't wash off all the fanatics and undesireables.

How do you come up with this crazy stuff?

The settlers are religious whackos... that is why the Israelis stick them in settlements.

No. Cheap housing induces Israelis to move to the OT.

162. Divine Impulses: Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Comment #192682 by lastgreekstanding on June 13, 2008 at 10:57 pm

There's more than meets the eye here, people.

From the economist.com , Feb. 8th, 2007:

SAY what you will about Ayaan Hirsi Ali, she fascinates. The Dutch-Somali politician, who has lived under armed guard ever since a fatwa was issued against her in 2004, is a chameleon of a woman. Just 11 years after she arrived in the Netherlands from Africa, she rode into parliament on a wave of anti-immigrant sentiment, only to leave again last year, this time for America, after an uproar over lies she had told to obtain asylum.

Even the title of her new autobiography reflects her talent for reinvention. In the Netherlands, where Ms Hirsi Ali got her start campaigning against the oppression of Muslim women, the book has been published under the title "My Freedom". But in Britain and in America, where she now has a fellowship at the conservative American Enterprise Institute, it is called "Infidel". In it, she recounts how she and her family made the cultural odyssey from nomadic to urban life in Africa and how she eventually made the jump to Europe and international celebrity as the world's most famous critic of Islam. …

163. Losing Our Spines to Save Our Necks

Comment #192541 by lastgreekstanding on June 13, 2008 at 10:48 am

Yeah right, after I called Dershowitz a plagarist. You are not very bright, that is for sure.

What's a plagarist, fish?

You've never heard of a self-hating plagiarist, Alan?

164. Losing Our Spines to Save Our Necks

Comment #192537 by lastgreekstanding on June 13, 2008 at 10:23 am

al-rawandi,

You call that plagiarism? What nonsense. I happen to completely agree with Finkelstein: People have the right to defend themselves. That's not exactly an original idea, fish.

You actually asked him about the AIDS story? Are you nuts? What did you expect the man---or anyone else with a tincture of gray matter---to say, fish? Man! Only a fish like you would believe such an absurdity.

No, fish, I am not Finkelstein (nor _riverrun_, as you and your guppies seem to believe). It's funny because all this time I thought you were Alan Dershowitz.

I will detail one instance of your dubious argumentation and then be done... When I said Hizbollah claimed that Jews spread AIDS, you said that they didn't say the Jews did it intentionally. Why the apologetics... how would the Jews spread AIDS to the Arab world accidentally? How would that happen since there is all of zero intermarriage? Are the Jews rapists? Do they weaponize AIDS? Which one is it? See, this is the difference, when Israel is wrong, I say "Israel is wrong", I can criticize people for wrong actions when I don't have a dogmatic allegiance. Yet when Hezbollah does something nasty you have to lose yourself in details to avoid the condemnation of their racist propaganda and disgusting abuse of the people of Lebanon as well as Israelis. They told 5 and 6 year old school children that Jews spread AIDS, how is that ever acceptable, and why are you so morally perverted as to be unable to identify it as such?

Fish, this is what you wrote:

How would a US congressman be treated if he/she went to a country that was de facto at war with the US and praised a group dedicated to the destruction of the US. A group that also said that the US spreads AIDS intentionally (as Hezbollah said of Jews)? This congressman would be instantaneously evicted from his/her seat. Should this happen, I don't know, would this happen, absolutely.

You had added the adverb. In any case, with or without the word intentionally, it's still an absurd accusation! "Hezbollah says Jews spread AIDS", "Hezbollah says Jews spread AIDS intentionally", are both equally absurd accusations! Again, only a fish would bite.


elephant,

Are you in need of some extra cash? There's always panhandling. I hear the Brits are a generous lot.

Judging by your writing talent, I think I'll pass on your kind offer.


Cheers!

165. Losing Our Spines to Save Our Necks

Comment #192357 by lastgreekstanding on June 12, 2008 at 8:56 pm

al-rawandi,

Your darling organization, Hezbollah, is a disgustingly anti-semitic organization. Forwarding ridiculous lies about Jews spreading AIDS... and broadcasting cheap copies of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

Hezbollah successfully defended their country against Israeli occupation. I admire that. As for their politics, I couldn't care less; I don't live in Lebanon.

Here you go again. Stop your silly Zionist propaganda.

And your best buddy Azmi Bishara is now totally fucked, the gag order issued by the judge has been removed and evidence has come to light... or to quote Jeffrey "The Dude" Lebowski "New shit has come to light."

Bishara had his phone wire tapped, and what do you know... the little guy was giving Hezbollah contacts details on how Israel would react to a series of rocket attacks from Hezbollah. And even urging them to attack farther south than Haifa. His phone calls with the Hezbollah operative are indeed most damning.

Actually, the gag order was partially lifted last year (not that you would know). All you have is a police document that mentions that Azmi Bishara is suspected of security- related crimes and money laundering---all generalities, no details. That's it. I don't believe he has been formally charged.

The Israeli security services have been wiretapping the phone lines of Arab MK's for years. That's no big secret. Bishara knew his phones were tapped. I don't believe anyone (except you) would be that stupid to pass classified information knowing full well others were listening in. Besides, what information could this "little guy" (exactly) give? This is absurd.

Then Bishara received money from Jordan (hundreds of thousands of dollars, via a woman in East Jerusalem) and did not declare the funds or disclose the source. At best Bishara was a courier and not a recipient, but in any event he has violated anti-money laundering laws.

Alleged, al-rawandi. Alleged! You make it sound as if he did it.

Furthermore, Bishara had been previously indicted for remarks he made in a speech, praising Hezbollah tactics and urging that they be adopted by Palestinians in the Occupied Territories.Bishara never denied these remarks, but instead claimed they fall within the realm of free speech. Although this may be true, it certainly shows his personal affinity for a group that states that "Jews spread AIDS" and publish other anti-semitic lies in children's text books.

We covered this already.

And I second the elephant, if you are going to interrupt a conversation about the "Juice" Simpson, please have the decency to omit the 65 ceremonial "LOL"s you place in every text message, I mean post.

I have no problem with the "elephant". I made a careless mistake and he rightly called me on it.

I expect your posts to say "Sent via Blackberry Wireless" at the bottom.

You don't suppose Bishara sent Hezbollah secret information this way, do you?



Cheers.

166. Losing Our Spines to Save Our Necks

Comment #192054 by lastgreekstanding on June 12, 2008 at 12:01 pm

elephant,

Thanks for pointing it out. It sounded right. [embarrassed]

How's this?

1. Does it behove you not to add punctuation?

2. It behoves you to add punctuation if you want to be understood.

Better?

167. Losing Our Spines to Save Our Necks

Comment #192004 by lastgreekstanding on June 12, 2008 at 9:45 am

righton said,

Hey greek/riverrun,

al called riverrun a "chomsky catamite", not you. So how did you know about that unless you are riverrun.

Maybe Post 324 of this thread will refresh your memory.

al-rawandi had said,

And what about the small girl used as an unwitting suicide bomber? This is ommitted in your analysis. Now, I have had some experience dealing with Chomsky catamites on this site. And I notice you are of similarly dogmatic liberal persuasion.

That's how.

righton said,

I have known al for quite a while, but nice try.

I don't doubt it. It shows. On the idiocy meter, he and you are ranked one-two, respectively.


Fanusi, Khiyal,

Welcome back!

After I had sarcastically asked, "Who but a lazy halfwit cites Wikipedia as an authoritative source", Fanusi Khiyal said,

Michael Shermer

Tell me, FK, Did he whisper this in your ear, late one night, as he brushed his fingers through your hair? What else did he say?

Quetzalcoatl,

Thanks for reposting al-rawandi's attributes. He's kind of hung up on NB3 and NB4. He's accepted the others, though.

bollocks said,

Do you honestly expect anyone to read that gigantic dump of pretentious drivel

Don't be daft. I don't expect a muppet like you to read it.

(bollocks, does it behove you to add some punctuation?)

al-rawandi said,

Greek,


I am done wasting my time on your stupidity, but one little point:

Big mistake.

and al-rawandi's little point,

"1. Under the law of Foreign Travel (1948), it states that these regulations---that is travel to restricted countries---shall not apply to a person in posssession of a diplomatic passport of the State of Israel. Azmi Bishara had one. "

What 1948 law did I refer to?

Not this one. It was the "prevention of terror ordinance" composed in 1948.

Did I not say that he was twice indicted, al-rawandi? One more time for the reading impaired:

In 2001, Azmi Bishara was charged pursuant to the Emergency Regulations (Foreign Travel) (1948) and the Prevention of Terrorism Ordinance (1948).

Pursuant to the Emergency Regulations (Foreign Travel) (1948), the Prosecution dropped the charge of "illegal travel to foreign countries" because, as I stated in the previous post, this law . . .

. . . states that these regulations---that is travel to restricted countries---shall not apply to a person in posssession of a diplomatic passport of the State of Israel. Azmi Bishara had one.

Pursuant to the Prevention of Terrorism Ordinance (1948), he was charged with "supporting terrorist organizations" in relation to some speeches he had made in support of Hezbollah, etc.. Once again, the Prosecution concluded that there was no basis for charging Bishara because, as I said in the previous post,

Under the law of Immunity of Members of Knesset, he is free to speak his mind.

How stupid are you, al-rawandi?

CHORUS: "al-rawandi is so stupid, he reads righton's posts and takes notes!"

Unaware that his shit will soon be hitting the proverbial fan, al-rawandi added,

I simply cannot argue with someone who cannot manage basic reading comprehension.

Do you see the irony here?

al-rawandi said,

Okay, let's just say that Hezbollah didn't say Jews spread AIDS intentionally, that Jews are responsible for AIDS by accident... what would be the point of that comment? It is manifestly untrue, it is an anti-semitic lie, and it is standard commentary from Hezbollah.

You are such a fish.

Further proof:

How about when Nasrallah said this:


"If we searched the entire world for a person more cowardly, despicable, weak and feeble in psyche, mind, ideology and religion, we would not find anyone like the Jew. Notice, I do not say the Israeli"

Q.E.D.

al-rawandi said,

And finally, your flagrant lie, exposed:


"By the way, why are all Arabs shitholes?"




Arab countries. Not people. First this was brought up when I said Israel was a democracy unlike Arab shitholes (which are not).

You really cannot comprehend what you read. To take your interpretation (if placed in the actual context) I would have said:

"Israel is a democracy and Arabs as a people are not a democracy".

Why didn't you say "Jewish shitholes are a democracy"? You didn't, did you? LOL
You can't dance your way out of this one. It was an awful thing to say "Arab shitholes". Your only regret is that I called you on it. Next time, you'll think twice before you post a racist opinion. Capiche, racist?


~lastgreekstanding

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Comment #190323 by lastgreekstanding on June 8, 2008 at 8:59 pm

al-rawandi said,

righton,

Thanks for reposting what the Greek wrote before he could go back and edit out all the nasty bits without note.

It wasn't very smart of righton to repost. Why remind everyone that you're a hypocritical, gullible buffoon? For all you know, righton may be collaborating with me? In any case, I stand by "all the nasty bits". I have you to thank for them! Were it not for your overindulgence in posting, I doubt very much I would have been able to collect so many "nasty bits" so soon. Here, for posterity's sake, I'll gladly sum them all up:

Nasty Bit 1: You are a liar. You lie at the drop of a hat just to score some silly point. Moreover, when you get caught in a lie, what do you do? You continue to shamelessly lie so you can cover up your previous lie. You are an incorrigible liar. Do try to stop, if for no other reason than the fact that you don't do it particularly well!

Nasty Bit 2: You are a hypocrite. It's astonshing how you can talk out of both sides of your mouth without swallowing your tongue. Not only have I caught you saying one thing in one thread and the opposite in another, but you actually had the chuztpah to do the same thing in back-to-back sentences in this thread. Remember Post 432?

"Ok. I said Israel is a racist state in determining citizenship and in the Occupied Territories. That doesn't mean it isn't a democracy . . ."

Hilarious. You know, you really must try to get your capacious head round the difference between a racist state and a democracy. Just because a state has accorded citizenship to its minority while according them second (or third) class status, one cannot call the state a democracy. What can I say, al-rawandi? You make it so easy for me. LOL

Nasty Bit 3: You are naive. Truly. I've never seen someone so easily persuaded as you. You swallow like a--- (damn nasty thought) : ) Do you really believe that Hezbollah actually said that Jews spread AIDS intentionally? Silly al-rawandi, don't believe everything you read. Try to have a healthy skepticism.

Nasty Bit 4: You are a racist. Post 354: "Arab shitholes". What an egregious thing to say. Disparaging an entire ethnic group is inexcusable. Surprisingly, no one else has called you on it. Do you feel the same way about other ethnic groups?

Nasty Bit 5: You are a halfwit, of the lazy kind. I'm sorry. I am simply calling a spade a spade. Who but a lazy halfwit cites Wikipedia as an authoritative source. The material can be modified by anyone---even a halfwit. The site itself cautions against citations. Unfortunately, you still don't get it: Wikipedia is about as reliable as asking your pet gerbil its opinions.

Don't despair, al-rawandi. You're still young. And like you've said, people do change. [See. I am not all that nasty.]

Before I contunue, you're obviously fixated by someone named _riverrun_.

al-rawandi:

Post 348: . . . do you know a guy named _riverrun_?

Posr 395: . . . am flattered, I have had two male devotees, _riverrun_ and "lastgreekstanding".

Hey lastgreek, just so we are clear I am NOT gay. Just an FYI.

_riverrun_ is not particapating in the discussion, but I am. So leave him/her out of it. [I must say, he/she must have verbally taken you to the cleaners---bigtime---because you're still smarting from the exchange. Ouch!]

You're not gay? You don't say! FYI, al-rawandi, I couldn't care less. [rolling of eyes]

al-rawandi said,

Greek,

The most comical thing about you is that you think it is illicit to look up a Ha'aretz article online. You act like it is so dishonest to use the internet for research.

Don't twist my words. I never suggested that "it is illicit to look up a Ha'aretz article online", nor that "it is so dishonest to use the internet for research". What I did say was that you go online, google, hastily read brief extracts, and then Copy and Paste matereial. not even bothering to check the source(s) of the story. That is not research! For example, the Down's Syndrome Suicide Bomber story that you posted, it was obvious that you hadn't even bothered to read past the headline, let alone the first paragraph. Had you done so, you would not have made a complete fool of yourself. So the next time you decide to do research online, take your time, thoroughly read the material, and do check the source(s). Simple, no? : )

al-rawandi said,

Now we are done with your comedy, we can start with your out and out lies.

Before we begin with my "out and out lies", I am going to take a few moments to sort out what you've said. Sorry, but your writing is bad and disorganized.. As I have stated before, you're all over the place---Google, Read Hastily brief extracts, Copy, Paste, and Repeat---and that exasperates me to no end. Who knows? Maybe you're not a halfwit after all. Maybe I've been debating all this time with an illiterate imbecile! [SHOCK] Anyway, let's just take a 30 min. break, O.K. ?

[---------------------------------------------------------------------Greek Music Playing------------------------------------------------------------------------------------]

Let's get started.

al-rawandi said,

Here is what I said, and you simply omitted from your response:

You leave out the fact that Azmi Bishara spoke at a memorial for Hafez al-Assad, and made glowing remarks about Hezbollah. How would a US congressman be treated if he/she went to a country that was de facto at war with the US and praised a group dedicated to the destruction of the US. A group that also said that the US spreads AIDS intentionally (as Hezbollah said of Jews)? This congressman would be instantaneously evicted from his/her seat. Should this happen, I don't know, would this happen, absolutely.

Actually, I stated the most important fact of all:

"Before these latest allegations, he had already been twice indicted, and each time the charges were dropped because the state was unable to build a case."

The indictments in question had come in 2001. They were eventually dropped by Israel's Supreme Court.

So he spoke at a memorial for Hafez al-Assad (2001). He often travels to other countries, including Syria and Lebanon. Even if these countries are considered by Israel as "enemies", he had diplomatic immunity as a Member of the Knesset.

With regard to him "making glowing remarks about Hezbollah", even if he did so what? As a Member of the Knesset he was allowed to freely express himself, regardless of what he said. He was protected under the "Law of Immunity of Members of Knesset". Moreover, it was an honest assessment of Hezbollah: that they are a resistance movement fighting Israeli aggresson.

Hezbollah said what? The Jews intentionally spread AIDS? Please refer to Nasty Bits 3 and 5, above.

other "points" that al-rawandi said I omitted:

This isn't the end. Bishara visited Syria once again, telling his audience that Israel may launch an offensive attack on Syria. His party (Balad, perhaps you could look up the connotations of this word in Arabic) made supportive statements of Hezbollah on visits to Lebanon.

Quoted in the Jerusalem post the Balad MK's Azmi Bishara, Jamal Zahalka, and Wasal Taha told Fuad Saniora that Hezbollah's resistance "lifted the spirit of the Arab people". This was a "solidarity mission". The same article notes the treasonous act of Bishara warning Syria of potential Israel attacks.

Not finished, Bishara also spoke of Syria' struggle to free "occupied Arab land" and praised Syrian support for "resistance to occupation". Syria the very same country that has sought to destabilize Lebanon. That has assassinated Lebanese politicians. The very same.

It has been a law, since 1948 in Israel to incite violence against that state, and to lend support (verbal or physical) to terrorism. This law has been around for a great long while.

"Blah, blah, blah . . . "

I should have lumped these four "paragraphs" with the first one. You're repeating yourself. Classic al-rawandi: Copy, Read Hastily brief extracts, Paste, and Repeat.

al-rawandi added,

These statements he made in support of various terrorist organizations and states are quoted in Ynet, the Jeruslaem Post, among others. He was praising a terrorist organization which had launched numerous suicide attacks against Israel throughout the years. The legality of the Israeli invasion (immoral in my opinion) is not at issue, the issue is that Azmi Bishara violated a law that was on the books since 1948.

Hallelujah! He has seen the light! Yes, the issue is the law. One more time:

1. Under the law of Foreign Travel (1948), it states that these regulations---that is travel to restricted countries---shall not apply to a person in posssession of a diplomatic passport of the State of Israel. Azmi Bishara had one.

2. Under the law of Immunity of Members of Knesset, he is free to speak his mind.

Here's the kicker. (Pay attention because I won't be repeating.) Even after the Knesset revoked his Parliamentary immunity, the legal system was still not able to charge and try him. Why? Because they didn't have a case!

al-rawandi,

What do you say:

"So what did the fuckers do? They changed the rules yet again".

You act like the Israelis are just making it up as they go. The law was enacted in 1948, in part to deal with JEWISH terrorists, left over from the anti-British and anti-Arab activities of the mandate period.

They are making it up as they go! You don't understand. It has nothing to do with the law of 1948. As I said in my previous post, these latest accusations against Azmi Bishara will be take place in a Security Court instead of a Civil Court like the earlier indictments. That's why I said they changed the rules. The Security Services can easily fabricate cases in a Security Court. Everything is kept secret. The Defense can't even question the source of the evidence! Thus, it's very difficult for the Defense to win in this kind of setting.

al-rawandi said,

You simply dismiss things quoted from, let's take for example, the Jerusalem Post. Why is that, do you just think all Jews are liars who cannot publish proper journalism? I think that is more the case than anything else.

I don't think that. I am not the racist. You are the racist, remember? By the way, why are all Arabs shitholes?

al-rawandi said,

Your position is so manifestly absurd as to require no further comment. You see my posts as abusive, and at times they are, but always within the framework of some point of fact. You have simply devolved into absolutely insane nonsense:


"You know, your username "al-rawandi" sounds Arabic, and looks similar to "al-Qaeda". You're not like those "Arab shitholes", are you?)
In case you haven't figured it out, I am purposely rude and arrogant towards you. Why not? You're a selfish bastard. You don't give a damn about the things you write. And why should you? It's all a game, no? You get your kicks by pretending that you know your stuff. You know dick! And when you get caught talking out of both sides of your mouth, well ... that's when your bullshit goes into overdrive. "You what?" "You're entitled to change your mind?" Give us a break, A-hole! You have no principles to start with. And talking about A-holes, this Greek owns your ass. (You feel those hemorrhoids flaring up? Cream?) Don't worry, I want no part of it. You're so covered in shit that I wouldn't touch your ass, not even with the proverbial 10-foot pole! Lucky bastard. LOL "

I haven't heard anything this stupid since I was a freshman in high school. This is evidence that you are truly pathetic. Look at your obsession with me, look at how you have made a fool of yourself. This is just sad, I am not even mad at you over this, I am truly sad to see someone behave like this, even under an assumed name.

If you're going to dish it out ("Chomsky catamite", "soppy cunt"), that's cool. But be prepared to take it on the chin. Capiche! Don't whine like a baby.

Don't flatter yourself. I have no interest in you, al-rawandi. None at all. I'm only interested in what's posted.

"al-Rawandi sounds Arabic".


Excellent work detective.

And the final window into your personality, you, being the whimpering coward you are, edited this away, without note. You made the comment and took it out, and righton had to save it for "posterity". How sad.

What are you, on drugs? I did not delete the above comment. Wow! The depth of your buffoonery has yet to be plumbed. LOL

al-rawandi said,

Let me tell you something, I have the fucking courage to criticize someone when they are wrong. I criticize Israel, even recently when they shamefully banned Norman Finkelstein, and I criticize the Palestinians when they hurl anti-semitic rhetoric and suicide bombers at Israel. You, what do you do? You cannot discern between right and wrong. Israel is always wrong, you simply cannot discern what is a just act and what is an unjust act. That, along with your ravings, is evidence of an extremely weak intellect.

"Blah, blah, blah . . . "


Cheers.

P.S. al-rawandi, tell your "guppies" that they can repost to their hearts' content.

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Comment #187826 by lastgreekstanding on June 2, 2008 at 7:29 pm

???

Why would I want to edit or delete post 430? Unlike you (post 431), the fish, and some other buffoons, I think before I post. I am not ashamed of anything I've written so far. Too bad your buddy the fish can't say the same.

You're offended that I called you stupid? Why? Be grateful I didn't call you a fish. Now that sucks. LOL

Good night.

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Comment #187800 by lastgreekstanding on June 2, 2008 at 5:22 pm

I never said he was a Muslim, stupid. You can read, can't you? LOL

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Comment #187790 by lastgreekstanding on June 2, 2008 at 4:48 pm

al-rawandi said,

Quetz,

That was the best he could do. I wasn't lying. And he knows it. He is using some strange form of anti-logic to falsely interpret the posts.

I thought I did quite well. But, then again, considering how comical and infantile your postings are, it's nothing to write home about.

Yes, you are a liar---the "liar,liar pants on fire" kind.

What? I am "using some strange form of anti-logic to falsely interpret the posts"? Silly al-rawandi, your inane posts speak for themselves. Please, let's have another look:

al-rawandi, in yet another display of stupidity, said,

Ok. I said Israel is a racist state in determining citizenship and in the Occupied Territories. That doesn't mean it isn't a democracy, or even a democracy with regards to its Arab citizens.

How can a racist state be a democracy? [rolling of eyes and wishing there were a God] That's unrealistic and discriminatory. [rolling of eyes but now wishing there were a devil, too]

How thickheaded are you? Seriously. [Now, I'm shaking my head in pity.] And I'm the one being illogical? [Greek coffee break]

al-rawandi, not knowing when to quit, said,

As for the Jewish National Fund, in the United States there are plenty of race based programs, for instance "Affirmative Action" or, perhaps more importantly, things like "The United Negro College Fund", it is allowed to operate, and it only funds college education for blacks, whites cannot apply, whites cannot receive money. Does this mean the United States is an institutionally racist entity? That is a serious question.

Interesting. I had no idea that the affirmative action program and the United Negro College Fund expropriated land from one ethnic group to hold in PERPETUITY for another ethnic group. [pee break]


Your modus operandi is simple: You go online, google, HASTILY read brief extracts, and then Copy and Paste shit that you think makes your point. You know what it gives it away, al-rawandi? Your incoherent and contradictory statements, not to mention lies. Here, let me show you what I mean:

I had said in my previous post,

Arab Member of the Knesset Azmi Bishara did just that---campaigning for a state that treats equally all its citizens, not one that grants rights and privileges to Jews only---he was forced by Israeli police (Shin Bet) to resign.

You replied,

This simply isn't true, and here is what a member of Bishara's own party had to say about the matter:
MK Wasil Taha, of Bishara's own Balad party, called the accusations "nonsensical and false. Bishara denied them during investigation and we are denying them today. Their only purpose is to use Bishara as a scapegoat, to incite public opinion regarding everything dealing with Israel's failure in the [Lebanon] war, and to cover up those failings." Haaretz, 4-25-07
He is saying this is a cover up for the failings in the Lebanon war.

What simply isn't true, dummy? Shin Bet (the Israeli secret police) has been after Bishara for years over his NONVIOLENT campaign for Israel to change to a state of all its citizens. They're scared shitless of Bishara's influence spreading. Before these latest allegations, he had already been twice indicted. Each time, the charges were dropped because the state was unable to build a case!. Those earlier indictments, however, were in made in a Civil Court where the evidence---or lack thereof---was there for all to see. So what did the fuckers do? They changed the rules yet again. If an Arab Member of the Knesset just so much as breaks wind, he'll be picked up, and this time he'll be charged in a Security Court (think kangaroo court) where the source of the evidence brought against a defendant cannot even be challenged. These latest charges of treason and espionage against BiShara are filed in a Security Court. Secret evidence? Undisclosed sources? Even a legal dreamteam, like OJ's, would have a hard time of it.

And what's with the above Haaretz quote, dummy. You're not making any fuckin' point with it. (Google, Copy, and Paste---see what I mean?) If you had bothered to read Haaretz's editorial concerning these latest charges of treason, instead of HASTILY reading snippets from Haaretz that suited you in order to cover your fat ass, you would have discovered---to your fuckin' dismay, no doubt---that this [Bishara's communication with Hezbollah and Syria] "will turn to be a tendentious exaggeration of telephone conversations and meetings with Lebanese and Syrian nationals". In other words, nobody takes these trumped-up charges seriously---not Israel's leading newspaper Haaretz, not the Israeli public. Only you, fish. Think, fish. If Shin Bet had any---ANY!--- tangible evidence against the man, would they be keeping it a secret??? You've never heard of show-trials, fish? Now your "democracy" has silenced (punished) Norman Finkelstein. The apartheid, biblical fuckers, upon his arrival in Israel, had him arrested, interrogated, and deported with a 10-year ban from Israel. Something about Hezbollah contacts and al-Qaeda ties. LOL (You know, your username "al-rawandi" sounds Arabic, and looks similar to "al-Qaeda". You're not like those "Arab shitholes", are you?)

In case you haven't figured it out, I am purposely rude and arrogant towards you. Why not? You're a selfish bastard. You don't give a damn about the things you write. And why should you? It's all a game, no? You get your kicks by pretending that you know your stuff. You know dick! And when you get caught talking out of both sides of your mouth, well ... that's when your bullshit goes into overdrive. "You what?" "You're entitled to change your mind?" Give us a break, A-hole! You have no principles, remember? And talking about A-holes, this Greek owns your ass. (You feel those hemorrhoids flaring up? Cream?) Don't worry, I want no part of it. You're so covered in shit that I wouldn't touch your ass---not even with the proverbial 10-foot pole! Lucky bastard. LOL

Oh! I almost forgot to read you your rights. I'm sure you've heard of the Miranda rights. Well, these rights are---surprise, surprise---named after you. They're called the "al-rawandi rights".

al-rawandi rights:

You have the right not to post. Anything you post can and will be used against you in a thread. You have the right to speak to a buddy, and to have a buddy present when you post. If you don't have a buddy, one will be provided for you at richarddawkins.net expense.

MaxD,

For what do I owe you an apology? If it's regarding your limited vocabulary, that's not my problem. Take it up with your high school principal, Max.


Cheers!

P.S. For the record: "Syria is not a democratic country. Syria must make democratic reforms in the long term, as should all Arab nations." Azmi Bishara, as quoted in Haaretz. What can I say. Unlike al-rawandi, I read past the headlines.

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Comment #185041 by lastgreekstanding on May 26, 2008 at 6:51 pm

al-rawandi had this to say about me:

But I will take a huge shit on you before I flag you as a troll, which you are, because you don't answer posts, and simply seek to start arguments, unrelated to the topic.

al-rawandi,

I am your worst nightmare: I've caught you talking out of both sides of your mouth. You're completely covered in shit---of the bullshit kind. (LOL) Don't give me more bullshit that you've have been misunderstood or that you've changed your mind on issues, even having the nerve to compare your flip-flops to Christopher Hitchens. I am not buying that bridge. (Remember you're the fish, not I.) Moreover, your posts are extremely sloppy. This is very annoying to the reader, especially since you have a tendency to overindulge in threads.

EXAMPLE : You had said that Israel is a democracy. I answered that it was not. A democratic state MUST accept the equality of ALL its residents within its borders---ergo, Israel is NOT a democracy but an Apartheid state. You countered with these "cogent" thoughts:

al-rawandi, post 340:

Israel is a racist state. However it is not motivated by traditional racism, which desires to exclude the others.

al-rawandi, post 346:

Israel is a democracy. Arabs are represented in the Knesset. This to be a democracy a country must only allow elections and representation, and Israel doest this...hence it is democracy.

al-rawandi, post 354:

Israel is a democracy and the Arab shitholes are not....You are completely incapable of figuring out what a democracy is.

What a mess---what a sloppy fuckin' mess! (When "composing" your posts, do you sit there with your thumb up your fat ass?) Sigh. Let's start at the beginning.

Post 340: If "Israel is racist state", then by definition it excludes other ethnic groups. Don't play with words by foolishly saying that because it's not "motivated by traditional racism" it does not exclude others. Racism is discrimination. Point! It is inconsequential if one chooses to add a modifier to it. Don't obfuscate!

Post 346: You then inform us that for a state to be defined as a democracy, it's sufficient that it "only allow elections and representation". Therefore, because Israel allows for elections and "Arabs are represented in the Knesset", it is a democracy. Even if I were to accept this shallow definition, Israel still fails to qualify as a democracy. Yes, Arabs are allowed to vote in those elections. The fact is, however, that Arabs are prevented from voting for a candidate of their choosing. According to Israel's Basic Law: The Knesset (Ammendment No. 1985), a candidate that questions or denies the Jewishness of the state of Israel can't run or hold office. When longtime Arab Member of the Knesset Azmi Bishara did just that---campaigning for a state that treats equally all its citizens, not one that grants rights and privileges to Jews only---he was forced by Israeli police (Shin Bet) to resign, thus also losing his immunity from prosecution. He is currently in exile. If he returns, there is a good chance he will be arrested on some trumped up charges. He is not alone. Indeed almost every Arab Member of the Knesset has at one time or another been harassed and intimidated by Shin Bet. Hence, there is NO Arab representation in the Knesset as you would have us believe.

Post 354: Before I show you what a democracy is, why did you make the above racist remark against an entire ethnic group? We all speak freely on this site, but racist remarks are intolerable. I doubt very much that Richard Dawkins welcomes racists on his site.

What is a democracy. I am smart enough to understand that a democracy, at the very least, is inclusive---a state for all its citizens. You casually dismissed this, insisting that this is not a requirement. Larry Diamond, coordinator of the Democracy Program at Stanford University's Center for Democracy, Development and the Rule of Law, begs to differ. He had this to say about the basic elements of democracy:

Democracy consists of four basic elements:
1) A political system for choosing and replacing the government through free and fair elections;
2) The active participation of the people, as citizens, in politics and civic life;
3) Protection of the human rights of all citizens:
4) A rule of law, in which the laws and procedures apply equally to all citizens.

Other serious academics generally agree with Larry Diamond's definition, with the sine qua non being equality of citizens. No matter. Even with your shallow definition, Israel is still not a democracy.

Mercifully moving on...

On another thread, not too long ago, al-rawandi had said,

Non Jews cannot become citizens, Jews have the right of return. A national policy which discriminates between Jews and non-Jews. Orthodox Jews are exempted from military service to attend Yeshiva and become nastier fundamentalists. Non-Jews may not buy land owned by the JNF. This is sanctioned by the Israeli government. East Jerusalem residents (Arabs) pay tax at a 34% rate. They receive 10% expenditure on social services. Jewish only roads in the West Bank. Shall I go on with this pernicious Klan like nonsense you call "secular democracy?

and in post 357, al-rawandi---in vain---tried to wipe the shit off his face:

All of the places I mention, are the OCCUPIED TERRITORIES, you soppy cunt. You cannot even read, which is not much of a surprise.
Jewish Nation Fund, I later realized that this, although discriminatory, is not a state function, the Jewish National Fund is not a state system, so it is not state discrimination, therefore I was wrong to include this in the list.

When you first posted the above "explanations", I didn't bother replying. What would be the point. Anyone can see that you're lying through your rotten teeth. However, for the record, I will now reply, lest you think you fooled me. First, all the places you mentioned in the other thread are NOT in the Occuppied Territories. That is a lie, and you know it. The Right of Return applies to Israel proper (as well, of course, the Occupied Territories). Also, The Jewish National Fund (like the Jewish Agency) is a legal, administrative unit that is allowed to operate in Israel BY THE CONSENT OF THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT. You said so much yourself, dummy: "This is sanctioned by the Israeli government". Furthermore, the government of Israel has the power---IF IT CHOOSES---to close it down. Why should it when the goverment and the JNF work hand-in-hand: it's the government that expropriates Arab land to give to the JNF!!! So don't play with words---again---and tell me it's "not a state system".

Should I continue, fish? Who's the "soppy cunt" now? (LOL)

also in post 357, in a fit of stupidity, al-rawandi had this to say:

I am disgusted by Israel, absolutely. Your problem (one among many, no doubt) is that you have mistaken me for a supporter of Israel, an out-and-out supporter at that. Israel bases its nationalism requirements on race, therefore it is a racist state. How does this show there is APARTHEID within Israel? I asked you to show there was apartheid INSIDE ISRAEL. You simply don't have the intellectual horsepower to pull it off.

You, a supporter of Israel? (LOL)

In closing, having no shame, al-rawandi said,

I welcome all challengers

Oh, shut it. You're a hypocrite, a liar, a gullible buffoon, and---sadly---a racist.



Cheers.

P.S. Hope you enjoyed your long weekend.

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Comment #184022 by lastgreekstanding on May 23, 2008 at 12:42 pm

MaxD,

For God's sake: What's got into you? You are morphing into the caricature of The Stupid American, bumbling about on the world stage like a drunken sod. Keep it up and you'll morph into al-rawandi!

MaxD said,

You do not have a clue as to how to argue or how to understand a point.

It's a herculean task to figure out a person's point when none is offered. I have many endowments; supernatural powers is not one of them: I can't read minds!

As to my assertion that Sam Harris doesn't know what he's talking about with regards to the Middle East, I strongly stand by it. If I may recapitulate, only an ignorant fool (or a neocon shill) would continue to recommend Dereshowitz's plagiarized book The Case for Israel. What's even more embarrassing, it's copied from a hoax! Are you that dense, MaxD?

MaxD said,

Reducing people to dupes or idiots which is what your language implies isn't an argument. It is arrogant.

I guess you're refering to al-rawandi. And? He is a dupe AND an idiot. He's also a hypocritical piece of shit (and a half-wit to boot). Here, I'll show you:

In post 324 of this thread, al-rawandi said,

Now, I have had some experience dealing with Chomsky catamites on this site. And I notice you are of similarly dogmatic liberal persuasion.

And in posts 202 and 315 of the thread I Don't believe in Atheists, about 2 months ago, al-rawandi said,

How much death has the United States caused in the second half of the 20th century. We supported and armed how many despots? This has caused millions and millions of deaths.

I would like to opine that people find suicide bombing disgusting simply because the bomber kills himself. This is the atrocious act. Missile strikes do not bother anyone. Why is that?

The difference generally noted is that Terrorists deliberately target civilians while the US does not.

I do not agree that the US never targets civilians. However proceeding with a mission that is designed for economic benefit while allowing for severe collateral damage among a civilian populace is precisely terrorism. If the goals are unjust, then the act is unjust. End of story.

'...millions and millions of deaths.' MaxD, after reading posts 202 and 315, who would you say is a Chomsky catamite? If I may make an educational guess, I'd say Chomsky's been thumping al-rawandi's fat ass for some time now. lol

Yeah, maybe I am a little arrogant with al-rawandi. But when you're a hypocritical piece of shit (and a half-wit to boot) like him, you have it coming!

MaxD said,

On certain subjects wiki is very good. Much of its science content is good (as the article I linked you too, you know from scientific journal Nature implied), it is an excellent source to find quick links to primary sources etc.

I couldn't care less about Wikipedia. And I was not the one who first brought it up. It was al-rawandi who wanted to make a silly point about Cyprus. He had made the assertion that Israel was a democracy. I responded that the only democracy in the Middle East was Cyprus. Then, like a tiresome pedant, he shots back that Cyprus was not a ME country, citing Wikipedia to prove it. Who the fuck cites Wikipedia? You don't do that. It's not an authorative source! Anyway, I rationally replied that, whether Cyprus is or isn't part of the ME, all depends on your source. (And indeed! In the Fifteenth Edition of Britannica, Copyright 2005, it does list Cyprus as geographically part of the ME)

MaxD said,

My suspicion as to why the Greek language page is bad, if indeed it is (are you a linquist?), is because nobody gives a shit about greek.
And why should they?

I am not a 'linquist', nor a linguist. lol But I have done a minor in Classical Greek. And you're wrong that 'nobody gives a shit about greek [sic]. Moreover, the Western languages owe a great debt to Greek. Do you know that at least a quarter of the words in the English language are of Greek origin? No? I didn't think so. Then again, how could you know---you've already morphed into a caricature of The Stupid American.

On an 'unserious' note, MaxD said,

Are you implying that because I use this internet apparatus in such a way that I am, somehow, unserious?

Dude, 'unserious' is not a word. Is English your mother tongue? If it is, shame on you. Tell me, why don't you give a shit about English? Why do you persist in mangling the language of Shakespeare? Do you think I am rude? This is what your friend ar-rawandi had to say on the subject of English not too long ago,

You are off topic, and even if you weren't you are so incompetent with regards to the English language that no one can possibly understand you.

I have just ignored your idiocy for sometime, but if you want to post in English, learn to speak English.

So, are you going to take al-rawandi's advice? You think Wikipedia would have any study material on the English language? lol

Btw, of course there's nothing wrong with using 'this internet appparatus'. However, don't lose your brains when you go online, like al-rawandi has amply demonstrated numerous times. Always check your sources and keep a healthy skepticism.

MaxD said,

Well... Fuck. You.

Whither to, MaxD! lol Thank you for caring about my sex life. My wife and I enjoy very much the pleasure of sex. And you?---you and your right hand, that is. You have a comfortable grip? (How old are you? Looking at your avatar, I'd guess fortysomething. Grow up!)

And finally, MaxD said,

You may want to examine yourself a little more closely before leveling charges of being unserious, or of hypocricy.

'Examine thyself'. That's deep. How would you like to wager a sportsman's bet that you have never heard (let alone read) of Pluto's Republic? [P.M.]


Mordacious1,

Whoa! Slow down, little fella. You zoomed in like a starved maggot on shit! Phew! What a stink!


al-rawandi,

Don't go far. I haven't forgotten you. I am saving you for later, you hypocritical piece of shit (and a half-wit to boot).


Cheers!
P.S. Thank you for the blockquote info., MaxD.

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Comment #183601 by lastgreekstanding on May 22, 2008 at 10:28 am

MaxD,

Regarding wikipedia, again, I am repeating what the founder of wikipedia said. You linked me to one article, so what? I can link you to articles that prove my point. Example: The article on the Greek language is very disappointing, including a long contribution by a wannabe scholar who has no clue on what he's talking about---absolute rubbish. It's still there after several years. No one is bothering to correct him. Why? Because no serious person (except you and al-rawandi, apparently) takes it seriously. What can I tell you. If you want to use it, go ahead. I am not stingy. I'd rather dish out the money and get the real McCoy---i.e, the REAL Britannica. And if I say it sucks, it's just my opinion. You can believe otherwise, for all I care. All I can say is 'GOOD LUCK'.

Btw, it has nothing to do with al-rawandi. The guy is a hypocrite---and a half-wit one at that. I am sure he spends most of his time (I doubt he works) on google, collecting 'information', Cutting and Pasting, and then trying to pass it as his own. And what's funny, it's quite obvious. He doesn't even bother reading the stuff, simply glossing over the material. The example he gave about an '8-year-old suicide bomber' was a dead giveaway. When I questioned its validity, the idiot had the temerity to ask why. Why! Well, if he had bothered to read beyond the glaring headline, even a half-wit like al-rawandi would have discovered that the story 'smelled'---it was full of contradictions, with the 'little girl's' age morphing to 16 years of age as one read on. And now the hypocrite wants to have me marked as a troll until I begin answering his posts. Why should I bother when he has already answered his questions on other threads on this site!? For instance, with regard to Israel being an apartheid state, he had already given an excellent reply in another thread as I showed in my previous post. It's just too bad he said one thing here and another thing in other thread regarding Israel. lol AND NOW HE HAS THE BALLS TO SAY THAT THESE OPINIONS WERE EXPRESSED A VERY LONG TIME AGO. What bullshit! They were expressed less than two mongs ago!!! What a hypocrite! What a fool! What a half-wit! And you're wondering why I am insulting him? I dunno---maybe for the same reason that Richard Dawkins made an ass of Rabbi Shmuley Boteach. [rolling of eyes]

One more thing: MaxD, would you be so kind and tell me how to use the blockquote code? Thanks.


al-rawandi,


'Blah, Blah, Blah,...'

Your last post was some piece of work, al. I think the appropriate heading of it would be, 'HYPOCRITE SQUIRMS UNDER PRESSURE'. Indeed, your doublspeak was fun to read. Careful what you write, al.

Yes, al, you're still a hypocrtie---and a half-wit one at that! Happy searching on google.


Cheers.

p.s. Friendly advice, al: In the future, careful what you write. It just might come back and haunt you. A 'smart' hypocrite is circumspect.

p.p.s. al, do us all a favour and add a clown's nose to your avatar. Thanks.

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Comment #183319 by lastgreekstanding on May 21, 2008 at 9:09 pm

MaxD said,

"Be that as it may all I was saying is that wikipedia is much more dependable than you think, at least as much as any encyclopedia set you might buy or use"

Hardly. It's more for lazy teenagers, like al-rawandi.

MaxD also added,

"As good as Britainica even."

If you only knew. MaxD, most of the stuff one reads in Wikipedia is derived from the 1911 edition of Britannica. Why the 1911 edition? Because its copyright has expired!

Look, let's agree to disagree regarding wikipedia. Cool? Now, sit back, relax, have a drink on me, AND WATCH ME MAKE A COMPLETE ASS OF AL-RAWANDI.


al-rawandi, who says he has a college degree in Middle East Studies but can't even spell the word 'Cyprus', said in post 324,

-->"You said Israel is an Apartheid state... I can agree if we are speaking about the Occupied territories, but inside Israel? I fail to follow that logic."

And then in post 346 he said,

-->"Israel is a democracy. Arabs are represented in the Knesset."

And , finally, in post 354 he said,

-->"...and the fact that Israel is a democracy and the Arab shitholes are not."

Now here is what al-rawandi had to say in another post here on this site, not to long ago, regarding the state of Israel:

-->"Non Jews cannot become citizens, Jews have the right of return. A national policy which discriminates between Jews and non-Jews. Orthodox Jews are exempted from military service to attend Yeshiva and become nastier fundamentalists. Non-Jews may not buy land owned by the JNF. This is sanctioned by the Israeli government. East Jerusalem residents (Arabs) pay tax at a 34% rate. They receive 10% expenditure on social services. Jewish only roads in the West Bank. Shall I go on with this pernicious Klan like nonsense you call "secular democracy"?

-->"Israel's declaration of independence was a joke, like the state itself. Built on a real estate contract with a sky daddy. Worthless trash, not worth the paper it is written on."

-->"What a disgusting state. The only thing more disgusting may be the Palestinian religious radicalism. But as secularists we shouldn't betray a noble cause by support for an institutionally racist state."

There's more. Here's al-rawandi's take on suicide bombings (same thread as the above quotes):

-->"I would like to opine that people find suicide bombing disgusting simply because the bomber kills himself. This is the atrocious act. Missile strikes do not bother anyone. Why is that?"

-->"The difference generally noted is that Terrorists deliberately target civilians while the US does not."

-->"I do not agree that the US never targets civilians. However proceeding with a mission that is designed for economic benefit while allowing for severe collateral damage among a civilian populace is precisely terrorism. If the goals are unjust, then the act is unjust. End of story."

al-rawandi, besides being a half-wit, you're also a piece of hypocritical shit. You ask in your last post if I can do anything right. Well...I can certainly make an A-HOLE out of you. lol

Cheers.

p.s. al-rawandi, it's 'Cypress' not 'Cypres"

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Comment #182658 by lastgreekstanding on May 20, 2008 at 7:11 pm

MaxD

No serious scholar/student would get his/her info. from Wikipedia, let alone cite it. The founder of Wikipedia Jimmy Wales has said as much. I could get on right now if I please and edit that article on Cyprus. C'mon, MaxD, much of the stuff on Wikipedia comes from cutting and pasting articles from dubious sources or from sources where the copyright has expired. Let's be serious, please.

And on a lighter note...

al-rawandi says that he has a degree in Middle Eastern Studies. I am afraid to ask from which institution. He shamefully can't even spell 'Cyprus'. Hey, al-rawandi. 'Cypress' is a tree---an evergreen coniferous tree! Pity the 'college' boy. Nohting seems to be going right for him.


Cheers.

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Comment #182547 by lastgreekstanding on May 20, 2008 at 12:17 pm

al-rawandi,

It takes a tiresome pedant indeed to suggest that Cyprus is not geographically part of the Middle East. Now, depending on the source, it is true that opinions do vary---especially in recent years with the accession of the Republic of Cyprus to the E.U. However, historically it has always been associated with that region. And for Christ's (Sorry, Jeusus) sake! You're supposed to be an adult. Use your brain. Don't cite Wikipedia! Any Tom, Dick, or al-rawandi can get on and write/edit whatever rubbish they please. Seriously, if you were to cite Wikipedia in a college paper you'd get a nasty F---'FF', actually, as in 'fuckin' fool'.

Talking about 'reliable' sources, you.EMITTED in post 324...

"And what about the small girl used as an unwitting suicide bomber? This is ommitted in your analysis."

al-rawandi, I am sorry but YOU TRULY ARE A BIG FISH. I dare say an embarrassment to our species. lol That story comes from the same 'reliable' source(s) that gave us that other bullshit story about the Downs syndrome suicide bomber. IT'S NOT TRUE!!!

Man, you are such an easy target (Hint: Don't stay still; try moving a bit ), it's not even funny anymore. I want to feel sorry for you but the Darwinian in me says, 'No!' lol


Cheers!

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Comment #182328 by lastgreekstanding on May 19, 2008 at 5:51 pm

Guys,

It's a long weekend (Victoria Day) here in Canada. Promised the wife I wouldn't spent too much time online. I've read the posts. I'll post as soon as I can. But quickly...

MaxD,

Regarding the time-out mechanism, it sucks. Next time, just to be sure, before you submit your post, simply 'copy' it. If your post is lost, no worry---just simply 'paste' it in the comment box and submit it again. Or, you can do what I do: Use another application and then 'copy' and 'paste' it in the box.

al-rawandi,

A piece of friendly advice: You should consult an atlas if your geography is weak. Please, let me help you. The Republic of Cyprus is the ONLY democracy in the Middle East. Israel is NOT a democracy. A democratic state MUST accept the equality of ALL its residents within its borders.

Cheers.

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Comment #181693 by lastgreekstanding on May 18, 2008 at 12:54 am

Keith,

I thought it a little discourteous of you to suggest that I was showing off and hence my sarcastic reply.

No, I wasn't trying to show off. How can you possibly think that? With 'no hay problema'? It's a very common refrain, like 'adios' or 'hasta la vista'---except that I hear a lot of people say 'problemo' instead 'problema'. (I don't make that error because 'problema' is of Greek origin (or is it a cognate? I am not sure.) and pronounced roughly the same.) On the other hand, had I used Latin, and used it incorrectly, then yes I'd be showing off. But rest assured that would never happen---it's not my deameanor to be pretentious. That said, touche on your last post. :)


Cheers!

PS I am born and bred in Montreal, Canada. Being of Greek parents, I spoke Greek at home. My primary education was mostly conducted in Greek, with French and English gradually introduced later on.

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Comment #181663 by lastgreekstanding on May 17, 2008 at 9:37 pm

MaxD,

Many years ago I stumbled upon a copy of Mein Kampf. Out of curiosity, I decided to read it. Halfway through, I couldn't take it anymore---it was unreadable AND full of shit. So, I tossed it in the trash where it belonged, not even bothering to sell it. Would I recommend such filth? Unless I wanted to show how horrible and crazy Hitler was, of course not. That's why I find it offensive for SH to recommend Dershowitz's trash. [IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK...] And then there's Bernard Lewis. Have you read his 'work'. I'm guessing you haven't, otherwise; you'd know why he's the go-to guy for the neocons. SH recommends BL's trash, as well. [QUACKS LIKE A DUCK...] And then we have this 'gem' from SH's article The End of Liberalism? (LA Times, September 18, 2006):

"In their analyses of U.S. and Israeli foreign policy, liberals can be relied on to overlook the most basic moral distinctions. For instance, they ignore the fact that Muslims intentionally murder noncombatants, while we and the Israelis (as a rule) seek to avoid doing so. Muslims routinely use human shields, and this accounts for much of the collateral damage we and the Israelis cause; the political discourse throughout much of the Muslim world, especially with respect to Jews, is explicitly and unabashedly genocidal.
Given these distinctions, there is no question that the Israelis now hold the moral high ground in their conflict with Hamas and Hezbollah. And yet liberals in the United States and Europe often speak as though the truth were otherwise. "

MaxD, with all due respect, either an adolescent (subjected 24/7 to foxnews) or an acolyte of the neocons would write such rubbish. "...Muslims intentionally murder noncombatants, while we and the Israelis (as a rule) seek to avoid doing so." WTF! In the 2006 Lebanon war, 3 days before the signed ceasefire was to take effect, the Israeli airforce dropped millions of cluster bombs in populated areas of southern Lebanon. The UN humanitarian chief not only called it "completely immoral", he went on to say, "Every day people are maimed, wounded and killed by these weapons---it shouldn't have happened." [BBC NEWS] Yes, "every day" because cluster bombs have an unexploded rate of roughly 10%. And the following piece of shit: "Israelis now hold the moral high ground in their conflict with Hamas and Hezbollah". lol Yeah, SH, the apartheid state of Israel 'holds the high ground'. lol... [IT'S A FUCKIN' DUCK!!!]

Keith, Keith, Keith,

What possessed you to make an ass of yourself? I am fluent in three languages: Greek (my mother tongue), French, and English. I am presently trying to learn Spanish. I just recently started and I'm loving it. Like Greek, it is very agreeable to the ear. So DO forgive the misspelling. How many languages do you speak, Keith? lol


Cheers!

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Comment #181243 by lastgreekstanding on May 16, 2008 at 6:02 pm

al-ra