151. God only knows who's right or wrong

Comment #3055 by William on October 25, 2006 at 9:31 am

>>Prayer, giving money to charlatans, ordering your life around something that cannot be detected in any meaningful way. Clever people do all of these things, because faith short circuits ones ability to think rationaly. Now that I have ditched my faith, I can see how ludicrous it was, and yet I consider myself modestly intelligent, both then and now. With luck, you'll get there in the end:-)<<

Hi Brian! I couldn't agree more! I USED to believe, without REALLY investigating faith. Once I looked properly at the Bible and what it subscribes to, I found it seriously wanting. I certainly couldn't base my life on it. I mean, come on! What kind of person would WANT homosexuals destroyed because they love the same sex? What kind of person would WANT to kill children for disobedience?

Religion is wrong. A Creator? That's a whole separate issue. But for me, I firmly believe that we are doing okay without believing in the supernatural. The ideas that women and homosexuals are lesser beings is wrong.

But some people still believe it.

Kind Regards, William.

152. Review of The God Delusion

Comment #3048 by William on October 25, 2006 at 9:09 am

Hi Pacifier. For somebody with the name PACIFIER, you sure can be hostile and sarcastic.

>>Following Jesus' teachings cannot lead to a better world<<

>>(Here comes the brain virus again)<<

There is ABSOLUTELY no need for sarcasm on this website. YOUR disapproval of what Muindi said, does NOT mean that Muindi's statement has any less validity than yours. Infact, I concur with Muindi's statement. Too often Christians only spout the good stuff Jesus said - totally ignoring the vile parts (Or being so damned ignorant of them, that they didn't even realise that their 'Lord' said them).

Otherwise, I agree with your sentiments above. People SHOULD take personal responsibility.

HOW certain, though, can you be sure of this statement:

>>The belief in “God”, organized religion, has absolutely nothing to do with why humans are barbaric<<

Take the mind of an Osama Bin Laden, for instance, who has many followers. People willing to die for the 'cause'. How can you BE SURE, that the diabolical mind of an Osama Bin Laden has NOT taken the texts of the Bible/ Quran as AN ABSOLUTE TRUTH TO BE COMMANDED BY? Thus, when he kills people, he REALLY and TRULY believes that his relgion is RIGHT and that he is DOING God's work?

Evolutionary wise, I'd agree with your sentiments. Fundamentally, though, I think religious types can get a sense of 'approval' from their Lord, when they do things they KNOW to be wrong - or at least suspect as 'The best of 2 evils'.

How else can you explain the indoctrination of young fanatics at blowing themselves up? They must TRULY believe in this paradise to do these things, surely? For you and I, the idea may be abhorrent. For a TRUE believer, then the idea that 'Fags' should be put to death rings true.

I like your ideas. Just leave out the nastiness and the sarcasm, because it doesn't fit in with your worldview.

Kind Regards, William.

153. God only knows who's right or wrong

Comment #3041 by William on October 25, 2006 at 8:13 am

Hi Pacifier! I liked your earlier posting, regarding Religion. It would indeed, be interesting to see how Human beings would justify their violence and intolerance if Relgion/ God was removed. I'd like to discuss the following with you:

>> do believe that the emphases placed on “religion” as a cause for world wide violence is indeed misguided. <<

The texts of the Bible and the Quran make it QUITE clear, that only THEIR God is the one true God and that disbelievers/ followers of other relgions must be killed and/ or are fools. These texts are reasons for violence, globally. Much violence IS and HAS been carried out upon these premises, by fundamentalists interpreting their texts literally. They can't agree on anything and all state that, 'They are right!". Indeed, I had this recently with a Jehovah's witness at my door. When I asked her how she 'knew' that she was following the 'right' God, she pointed to the exact text in Scripture! How ridiculous!

>>I also take issue with posters who say shit like “oh, you believe in Santa as well?” As if the belief in Santa is equal to the seemingly innate awareness that all we can see and place our hands on is not a complete account of reality and existence.<<

Much has been written in textual form about Santa. There is likely many cartoons on TV, depicting Santa. Santa has different names, in different countries. Saint Nicholas, Santa Claus, Father Christmas etc., As a whole, this is a harmless myth and fun for kids. But we don't base all our lives and beliefs upon it. Yet religion and belief in God is REALLY not that different, is it? The analogy of Santa and God is a valid comparison. There is NO PROOF of either. Yet many insist on believing in this mythical God and WORSE, they look down their noses at Atheists like you and I. It causes division and war and hatred.Indeed, in the "God Delusion" TV Programme, a Muslim stated on camera that he "hated Atheists", because we "had no moral guidance". Utterly preposterous, and no doubt, a belief shared amongst believers of all differing faiths. I am OFFENDED by relgious intolerance, intellectual arrogance and lack of evidence that Relgion and God-Belief insists upon. I had this enforced upon me as a lad. It did NOT enhance my life at all. I was scared to even masturbate - which is a completely natural part of growing up for a boy. I think Professor Dawkins is quite right when he says it is quite wrong to expose young, trusting minds, to ideas that have no basis in reality. I doubt in 2000 years time, men will believe David Icke is the Son of God. Why should we believe in Jesus?

>>Of course you cannot prove or disprove “God”. Just like you can’t get a handle on subjective consciousness. So…..the probability of a higher power is very unlikely…..So what? <<

This is exactly the point Pacifier. This is the whole point of the Book TGD. Many still believe and much money, power and politics is involved. As I write this, I am listening to President Bush spouting on about democracy in Iraq. So the most Relgious Country in the Western world, under God (as is states on the dollar bill), is enforcing democracy on the people of Iraq. The God of Allah did not defend the Iraqis, whilst the God of the Christians slaughtered them! Totally preposterous or what?!

I agree with you. HOW would the Americans/ British defend this invasion, if faith wasn't there? Would they be more open and state, "It was for the oil/ Regime change" etc.,?

But Religion IS dangerous and IS divisive. It is sponsored by the belief in the holy texts. And us Atheists can't understand it!

Kind Regards, William.

154. God knows why faith is thriving

Comment #3025 by William on October 25, 2006 at 7:02 am

Hi MightyCrew!

I am right with you! I've just found out that both my 12 and 7-year old kids, have been taught all about the Creationism gibberish - but NOTHING at all of evolution! And this is in England! Where we have Charles Darwin on the back of every £10 note!

I've started teaching them myself. I am NOT enforcing my beliefs on them though. I'm pretty sure, they will make up their own minds. I am showing the other side of the story. I doubt ANYBODY with any shred of decency left in them, believes EVERYTHING in the Bible these days. It is most unbelievable in parts. I could quote scripture, as most Atheists can, at the good Reverend above - and I doubt he could explain why this 'LOVING GOD' made such evil commands.

Unfortunately many still believe. Which is an intellectual crime. On what basis, whose authority do they believe? Justify it to us Atheists, because we can't get our heads around it.

I too love Professor Dawkins works and this website is super! I particularly like the ridiculous articles from believers, such as the Reverend above.

Of course, they always have that cop-out "Prove God doesn't exist", which they know full well we can't. Yet.

I have my hope that one day mankind will finally learn that we are alone, intellectually, on this planet. And in so doing, we may get along without so much indifference and violence. The fact that I share as much DNA with Pan-Islamic Terrorists is truly frightening - but truth shouldn't be evaded. If I went to the Doctor and he lied to me about having stomach cancer, I'm afraid I wouldn't be too happy. I would WANT to know, if I were ill. Only with TRUTH, can we move forward.

I always wonder - WHY don't Theists do a study of God? Why don't they explain, what God is, where God is, How God created, Why he doesn't Intefere? They don't do this though. They just quote scripture or come up with theories such as intelligent design. Okay, let's say ID is right. (I think scientists are still arguing over this). Okay. ID is right then. So WHERE is God? How does God do it? Are we FORBIDDEN from knowing? Why? Why create in the first place? Isn't God PERFECT? So a perfect being, created imperfect beings, and when the imperfect beings defy the perfect being we all go to an eternal damnation! Why did God create? Was he bored? Why didn't he make a better job of it? Why didn't he just make a bunch of self-serviant robots? Why did he create evil, disease etc.,? It is all ludicrous.

I can't get my head around this! Can you?

I suppose it's "not for us to know...". That's another saying they use.

Kind Regards, William.

155. God knows why faith is thriving

Comment #3018 by William on October 25, 2006 at 6:42 am

All True Peter - an EXCELLENT observation.

As for the Reverend. Pssst! Snigger! Chortle! I'm sorry, but I've never read such a load of codswallop EVER (Sorry Peter, to contradict slightly). The Reverend shows a terrible lack of understanding of the world and politics. New Scientist magazine, this week, made it abundantly clear that world hunger is a real problem, in most areas of the world. America may be no.1 for now (China is in the wings), but that doesn't in ANY FORM validate religion as being the correct way to live ones life. Because x-amount believe, i.e a democratic number, believe in God, he MUST be real. On that basis, we could say that X-amount of Children believe in Santa - so he must be there in the North Pole. Absolute balderdash.

>>In the Christian view, by contrast, "You are the special creation of a good and all-powerful God. You are the climax of His creation. Not only is your kind unique, but you are unique among your kind. Your Creator loves you so much and so intensely desires your companionship and affection that He gave the life of His only son that you might spend eternity with him."<<

So. An all-poweful LOVING GOD, makes people in England and America so important that we have more food than we will ever need. Meanwhile, children in Central/ Southern America, Africa, East Asia are NOT so loved that they can get a bowl of food, or clean water on a daily basis. Oh of course! That's MAN's fault, isn't it? This is a tired old argument and it doesn't convert any Atheists to Theism. Indeed, you, Reverend, have increased my Atheism further, with your lack of knowledge and understanding of reality.

25,000+ people die of poverty DAILY. Yet your loving God does JACK. Some loving father, eh? Children with terminal illnesses die in pain. Your All-powerful God can stop this anytime he wants, but he doesn't seem to want to. WHY? WHY NOT? And I should bend over backwards and pray to him? If I am wrong, if I die and there is an afterlife, I am going to tell your God how ABHORRENT I find him, relgion and all of his followers. I doubt I'll get the chance though, because I don't believe.

I can just see Galileo now, being imprisoned by the BELIEVERS, for wrongly seeing the true nature of the universe through his telescopes. The compassionate believers of God imprisoned him for 2 decades until he went quite insane. Yet he was correct. How very cruel, intolerable and MOST unloving. You religious believers are having a hard time defending this now, aren't you?

How does the Reverend, pray, not know that Atheists may be correct, afterall? Does Atheism scare religious-mongers so much? How, Sir, do you justify the deaths of 1'000s daily, because your God loves us? How, Sir, do you defend the Crusades? Fundamental terrorism? The holier-than-thou reproach of most believers? (Yes, you all stick your noses in the air, when we admit we are Atheist).

Remember Marge Simpson on the Simpsons?

"Homer, don't make me choose between you and my God - becaue you can't win!"

This sums up the mentality of the close-minded Theists, quite aptly. And the Simpsons is more real than God. I've seen them on the TV!

Caveat Emptor!

Kind Regards, William.

156. Review of The God Delusion

Comment #3008 by William on October 25, 2006 at 6:16 am

Hi Nicola.

Okay. I apologise. Maybe my earlier posting was a little strong. You are at least Well-mannered. There are MANY believers in God who are NOT. Visit godhatesfags.com for religious idiocy. Here in England we have the damned Jehovah's witnessess harrassing us all the time. I get fed up with them quoting scripture at me blindly, without REALLY understanding that there are many nasty quotes in the bible. Would you agree with me, that the Human race is doing fine on it's own? That we now have evolved our OWN ethics? i.e We are no longer racist, homophobic, sexist etc.,? The Bible was used as a tool to promote slavery in the 18th Century. Is that right?

>>First of all, I do not know any theists who state they are right and that atheism is wrong. Also I find it interesting how society is content to accept the theory of black holes, though the evidence of such objects has not been definitely established, yet society is not content to accept religious experiences. There also many evidence-based arguments which rationalise faith<<

What is this evidence then? Moses? Moses murdered an Egyptian in the Bible. Would you believe Ted Bundy, if in the 80's after being caught, he claimed to have 10 commandments from God? I doubt it. But here again, Christians quote the 10 commandments. Do you think a loving God is JUST and KIND for sending me to hell if I swear in his name? Do you think that it is RIGHT, if I commit a FINITE crime in a FINITE body (i.e. murder) and then spend ALL ETERNITY (INFINITE) in hell? What kind of a God IS THAT then? See where I am now? See why I no longer subscribe to the holy?

It is true that if one believes scientists, then we give a certain amount of power to them by believing what we are told. Atheists DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING, NOR DO WE PRETEND TO. It is true that even scientists do disagree on many subjects - indeed, some scientists are relgious. But FAITH Per Se is the anti-thesis of reason. Reason is falsifiable or provable. Faith is NOT. You ARE TOLD WHAT TO BELIEVE from ancient texts. There is NO EVIDENCE of a supernatural being involved with the writings of the Bible/ Quran and NO EVIDENCE of an afterlife or a creator. All around us we witness natural phenomena; Stars, Galaxies, (You can see these, can you not?), plant life, animal life. NONE of it depends on a supernatural being. It works very well on its own. Do you believe that Human Beings are more important than insects? Indeed, insects don't worship ANY higher power. This planet would get along FINE with out Human Beings - but remove the insect life and the ecology could well collapse, or at least be dented, from it's fine, evolutionary balance.

And Evolution DID occur on this planet. The evidence is in abundance and undeniable. We can argue the validity of a God until Kingdom come (!), because we just don't have the knowledge yet to find out. I've no doubt that in x-amount of years time (100? 1000?), religion will be defunct. That science may well answer our questions.

You are obviously an intelligent and pleasant young lady. I APOLOGISE wholeheartedly if ANY of my previous writings offended you. I didn't mean to put you down by proclaiming your a kid. That was wrong of me. I am just a man and not supernatural. I am PEEVED off though, by many who proclaim FAITH and yet have such LITTLE knowledge of the Bible. Yes, it has it's good parts. It also has many BAD parts. And the Bible and Quran are the 2 main tools of all relgious based faith. The more intelligent believers know this though, so they say they believe in Intelligent design or God, but "not the Bible". That, my young friend is called 'moving the goalpost'. Because Science is showing many of the ideas in the bible to be wrong.

I will not post on this feed again. I will NEVER convince you there is no God, nor is it my place to do so. It is FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL to make up their own minds. I just can't subscribe any longer to this intolerant God. A God who makes every living thing suffer. A god who could have done a better job of everthing - if he is truly there. Which I doubt in all sincerity he is. Why is 'HE' a 'HE', anyway? Does it have anything to do with the subjugation of women maybe?

Nicola, you are a polite woman and again, I apologise if I offended you in any way. Just have an open mind when you study Theology. We Atheists do critique ourselves. We don't swallow completely the works of Professor Dawkins or any scientist. We just think along the same lines.

Kindest Regards, William.

157. Review of The God Delusion

Comment #2978 by William on October 25, 2006 at 4:21 am

>>Jesus taught, ‘Love your neighbour as yourself,’<<

Hi Nicola. Fine. Beleive in God if you must. But make sure you fully understand the Bible AND the Quran before making quotes. And be sure you believe BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE and not because your Christianity has been handed down to you.

Jesus said a lot things in the Bible. Here are just 2 for you (and there are many):

>>"Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is God" (Matthew 19:17).<<

So Jesus was NOT as perfect as Christians like to think then?

And..

>>He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” Matthew 15:4-7<<

So Jesus thinks it's okay to MURDER little children does he, if they disobey their parents?

AND YOU CLAIM TO FOLLOW A LOVING GOD??! Make sure you read your Bible FULLY before passing judgement on Atheists like myself. I was a Christian 20 years before you were born. I've been there, done that and found it lacking in integrity. I don't need an arrogant lecture from a kid. I believed in Jesus and God and all the supernatural. I then decided not to accept blind faith and REALLY learn what the Bible promotes. It is full of HATRED, WAR, MURDER, CHILD RAPE, DISCRIMINATION, INTOLERANCE, INTELLECTUAL ARROGANCE, RIDICULOUS STORIES, FAIRY TALES, IMPROBABLE EVENTS, DEATH, PETULENCE... AND ON AND ON.

We Atheists DON'T CLAIM TO KNOW EVERYTHING - we are searching though. If it could be demonstrated that we are wrong; that their is a super-natural being; that life is not an improbable chance; that the fossil record and DNA records are inaccurate or incomplete, then fine, we will hold our hands up and say we were wrong.

It is YOU Theists though, who state you are right. WITHOUT A SINGLE IOTA OF EVIDENCE. You believe 1st century texts that simple farm-herders wrote. They are invalid and have no place in the 21st Century.

Answer me this question: If you were born in the Middle East, would you be a Muslim? Would you believe in the ONE TRUE GOD ALLAH? Would you have had sympathy with the 9/11 Bombers? Or would you still insist on believing in Jesus and Christianity? Be sure of your philosophical position before attacking Atheists. We seek the truth and NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. Something Creationists are not capable of seekings.

Kind Regards, William.

158. The Fact of Evolution

Comment #2977 by William on October 25, 2006 at 3:58 am

What a great broadcast!

I may have to get a copy of this book...!

Kind Regards, William.

159. Review of The God Delusion

Comment #2863 by William on October 24, 2006 at 7:28 am

I agree With Johnathons' sentiments earlier. I grew up with strongly religious parentage. I was forced to church every Sunday. I'm a white geezer, (It's important you understand this - it's not a racist view, as you will see), and in the 70's my Dad made friends with a STRONGLY RELIGIOUS Black African male. I liked him a lot. He was definitely a good God-fearing man. He offered my Dad a Rolls Royce but my Father couldn't accept the gift. One day, he asked my Father if the whole family would come to the church - because, he said, most of the Black congregation thought whites hated blacks and were irreligious. I've never felt so ethnic in all my life! There I was, surrounded by hundreds of black people, aged 8 years old and praying to God. I understand where Ethnic people are coming from because of this, though I no longer subscribe to God - I am definitely a Strong Atheist now.

So maybe Relgion has a LITTLE to offer. It should be kept as an historical perspective. It is definitely true that Religion causes war, disaster and division. This is fact. It is also true, as Professor Dawkins states, most unlikely that God exists.

What really peeves me though, are the religious people who INSIST that you 'respect our faith'. Once you admit you're an Atheist, you get that look (Atheists know what I mean!) that says "UGH! YOU'RE UNCLEAN AND UNGODLY!"

I had this recently with my latest run in with the Jehovah's witnessess. I told the woman at my door that it was a waste of time, that she'd never convert me away from Atheism. She still tried. I was in the middle of a Vertigo attack and wasn't really seeing or hearing correctly. No matter. I blew all her stupid arguments away.

I got quite aggressive when a bloke turned up and insisted that it was time to leave, because they were falling behind! I said "Hang on a minute. You've knocked my blooming door 6 times this year alone and on each occasion I tell you I'm Atheist. Now that you've invaded my privacy and you are losing your arguments you're going!?"

As they went I kindly reminded them that, as an Atheist, you don't see myself loading up with explosives and blowing up planes, buildings, cars and people.

Their response? "Whatever! Whatever!" As they ran away with tales between their legs.

I adore the works of Professor Dawkins. I love reading his books - which are all new to me, as I've only recently discovered them. I'll never take irrational viewpoints again as truth. The Bible and the Quran are both abhorrent. Religious people are very quick to highlight the good parts and ignore the bad.

People like Professor Dawkins won't them let get away with it no longer though. And neither will I.

Kind Regards, William.

160. A God State of Affairs

Comment #2784 by William on October 23, 2006 at 12:33 pm

There are many Americans on this feed! I think you are being too hard on yourselves! I have visited the States twice and I'm going again in October 2007.

I've found Americans to be well-mannered, hospitable, warm and easy to get on with. If many still believe in a Deity, then maybe it is more to do with the education system per se and NOT that you are all a bunch of right-wing evangelicals!

Here in England, we have many who are die-hard about faith. The Jehovah's witnessess are the WORST! I'd rather share a bath with a 1000 wasps than have a conversation with those idiots. And they are idiots. The neurotic beliefs they peddle are nonesense. They have knocked my door on 6 occasions this year alone AND REFUSE TO ACCEPT THAT I DON'T BELEIVE IN THEIR RUBBISH. My soul doesn't need saving. I don't subscribe to the idea of God anymore. And I am now free to explore other more interesting subjects such as science. Working out how things work, instead of pretending it's the handy-work of God, is far more rewarding.

Don't be so hard on yourselves. As Professor Dawkins states - NOBODY can be 100% certain there is NOT a God. It is just most unlikely. And Centuries of fear, superstition, ignorance and power, that the church propogated will take a long time to jettison. I doubt the die-hards will EVER give up their faith - which is fine by an Atheist like me - as long as they RESPECT MY RIGHT to NOT believe in their ideals. Sadly, most Theists turn their nose up at you in intellectual arrogance and superiority when you announce that you are Atheist. Just because they have a Bible, doesn't mean they are right. HOW do they know the Bible is right? HOW do they know it is 'The Word of God'?

Kind Regards, William.

161. Battle of the New Atheism

Comment #2782 by William on October 23, 2006 at 12:21 pm

>>The vibe I seem to get from this article is: "There's a good chance you guys are right, but not so loud. And please be nicer when discussing it."<<

I couldn't agree more, Kingsaurus! This whole article, seems (I won't attack the author - it was well written and thoughtful), to smack of hypocrisy and intellectual laziness. i.e. you could be correct, there may be no God, but I'd rather not think about it, because it makes me feel uncomfortable!

The Theists arguments are now being seen for what they TRULY are and were in days past. Power, ignorance, superstition and fear. Doom! Naysayer! Repent! Your time as at an end... yawn!

This may seem a little strong. It is not my intention to trash the above article - which I found a very interesting read, unlike some of the other Theist rubbish we Atheists contend with on this site. I don't even know why Theists visit here. We don't believe anything they say, nor do we need saving from our 'eternal' hell that your 'loving' God has prepared for us.

However, let's say we should be a little nicer in our approach of Theists and their comfort blanket. Why shouldn't THEISTS start thinking about how much THEY hurt our feelings? How much THEY annoy us Atheists? The Christian fundamentalists of godhatesfags.com offend me. The Islamic Fundamentalists, blowing up Buildings in New York and London and Madrid offend me. The idiots in the street chanting doom and gloom offend me. The Jehovah's witnessess who keep INSISTING on knocking on my door, in a vain attempt at converting me, offend me. Do Theists EVER get the message? I don't, won't, nor will I EVER subscribe to the idea of a God again. I've dispensed with fear in my life.

I live a decent life, where I am faithful to my wife and kids; where I don't give a hoot about someone's colour or creed; Where I try to follow the law of man; where I don't discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation. Something you Theists seem hard to accept. Because your Bible demands ignorance and hatred and violence and the superiority of you Theists over non-believers.

I am 100% behind Professor Dawkins. I think his work is awesome. I can't WAIT to read The God Delusion, which I have coming as a (Ironically?) Christmas Present.

Kind Regards, William.

162. Atheists' delusions about God

Comment #2773 by William on October 23, 2006 at 11:14 am

Hi J!

Thanks for the reply! I am not upset by Agnostics or Atheists or Theists with open minds. What bugs me are the fundamental Theists who KNOW their God exists - and they DON'T have to prove it.

They call it faith! I find it alarming. And I doubt many of them have truly read the bible - and worse still are those that HAVE read the Bible/ Quran and STILL think God is good and just!

Kind Regards, William.

163. Atheists' delusions about God

Comment #2729 by William on October 23, 2006 at 5:40 am

I've read all the above posts and find them illuminating. I'd particularly like to thank Janus, Jennifer, Michael, Jay, Reink, Derek and Hugh for your input - which I concur with. Thanks to for the links from Billy Sands and Gregg.

As for Linn and CF - Welcome to the one true reality! I was a Christian for some years, until I finally decided to not be intellectually lazy any longer - and the search for truth seems to point towards a position of Atheism.

The above post by J, which is well written, shows some of the problems we face as a species. J above, seems to be Agnostic - which as a Strong Athiest I can live with. His/ Her's is at least an open mind. I'd never argue with an Agnostic, because they're open to evidence - something die-hard Theists ARE NOT.

It is also true, however, that Agnostics MUST accept that not all theories are true. The moon is made of Rock/ the moon is made of cheese are two independent theories. Only 1 theory can be true. NOT ALL THEORIES CAN BE TRUE. And we know now, that the moon is made of rock and not cheese.

The theory that GOD EXISTS is either true or untrue. As Professor Dawkins quite rightly states, science may NEVER be able to invalidate the theory of God.

But use your senses. Use your imagination. Use what this reality informs you of. All around we see natural processess in abundance. Some animals are nocturnal. Some, such as us are Diurnal. Our scientific discoveries push the boundaries of those ancient texts further and further into the abyss. This is UNDENIABLE. The claim that GOD DID IT, should be backed up by evidence. THEISTS KNOW DAMN WELL THAT IT CAN'T. I doubt the existence of God could be defended in a court of law. I'd bet science could demonstrate (as it does) that there is not ONE IOTA OF EVIDENCE that God exists.

Do Theists know that their sacred 10-commandments were delivered by Moses the MURDERER? He murdered an Egyptian! Would any of us trust a murderer these days, if he said GOD HAD TALKED WITH HIM?! I doubt it.

The Human species is doing FINE without God. Infact, when you talk to Theists, most have only a passing knowledge of the Bible. READ IT PROPERLY. It is abhorrent. No rational person would believe that the Bible was the Word of God. And of course, science makes progress daily - all the time pushing the barriers of what is true and what is superstition further apart.

Why do Theists come into this forum anyway? We don't need saving, nor will we EVER convert to their illogical supernatural belief systems. I converted TO Atheism. I think they believe that they are winning brownie points with their God!

"Look, Master! See how I argued for your existence! Can I come through the gates now!"

I believe that Religion was a belief system to allow early man a set of rules and regulations to keep the populace in order. I believe that the POWER the Church had was addictive. ONLY THEY had the answers - do NOT question your God!

To think that I could be condemned to Hell for taking 'His' name in vain is appalling! THIS is a loving God? I'd be in better keeping on death row! (Or would I? Most murderers find God.).

No. It's all lies and paranoia. Death doesn't scare me any longer. The MANNER in which I will die... yeah, that's scary. But once dead, my atoms will break down and scatter through the cosmos. True immortality.

If you haven't seen it, check http://www.evilbible.com

Great ammunition for the next time the bible-thumpers knock your door. I love arguing with them. I scared them last time! They couldn't answer my questions. I'm sure they will come again to 'save my soul!'. What IS a 'soul' anyway? Science has never identified it.

Kindest Regards, William.

164. Lunging, Flailing, Mispunching

Comment #2431 by William on October 21, 2006 at 8:40 am

I agree Zendel!

Many above, have already highlighted the mumbo-jumbo of the above review.

Indeed, Eagleton is an intelligent man. I'd not argue with his prose and writings. But therein lies the problem. Most people want straight-forward, rational and EASILY UNDERSTANDABLE Layman terminology. I think he ISN'T an Atheist - from this review, one gets the distinct impression that an intelligent Theist is trying to hide his belief through imaginative grammar.

To Say 'GOD DID IT', is WAY TOO EASY I'm afraid. I used to be Christian - whatever that means - and I found it, sadly, lacking.

Since becomning Atheist, I feel I'm on the right track. To ask. To Question. To not accept blind faith - for it surely is blind faith. Whatever other Theists say on here, even Eagleton himself, they all would have to agree that THERE IS NO RATIONAL PROOF OF A SUPEREME BEING.

I'll take my chances with Professor Dawkins. The rabble above hasn't convinced me one iota that there is a God. And despite the intelligent manner of the above attack, no Theist has EVER given me a direct answer to the ultimate question:

WHO THE HELL CREATED YOUR GOD/ CREATOR/ FAIRY/ SANTA CLAUS/ IMAGINARY FRIEND/ SKYDADDY...? etc., etc.,

Kind Regards, William.

165. Danger ahead - there are good reasons why God created atheists

Comment #2417 by William on October 21, 2006 at 8:06 am

Thanks Rabbi for that thoughtful, but incorrect philosophy.

So, we all have a 'purpose' then do we? Sarah Payne was the love toy of Roy Whiting was she? The 3rd world suffering is allowed on purpose is it? Your God of Love allows this, because he loves us does he? There are 35,000 types of Arachnids on this planet alone - do they have a purpose - and if so - why so many diversant species? What is the 'purpose' of so many varieties? Why not just 1 species?

I particularly like the Rabbi mentioning Exodus from the Old Testament. I'd imagine the Rabbi has read in entirety the Old and New Testaments. If so, how can you FAIL to mention the attrocities committed within these texts, particularly the Old Testament - and still insist on a LOVING GOD?! Children being killed, raped, murdered. Foreskins cut off. Moses Murdering an Egyptian. Jesus himself says that Children that disobey their parents should be put to death!

Absolutely preposterous! The TRUTH is that there is no God - and indeed, the God believers try to find more and more novel ways of convincing the rest of us, such as God is BEYOND the boundaries of time and space/ Intelligent Design/ God working in mysterious ways etc.,

Why don't you lot on the God side of the fence, FINALLY admit that the game is up and the we Atheists are on to you?

Kind Regards, William.

166. University of Kansas Speech

Comment #2268 by William on October 20, 2006 at 9:09 am

A Fantastic broadcast! I salute Professor Dawkins for his work!

It's also great that there are Americans who are open minded on this subject!

I particularly liked the Professors' analogy on fairies! I laughed so hard!

Kind Regards, William.

167. The Dawkins Delusion

Comment #2240 by William on October 20, 2006 at 3:51 am

Well Paul and Martin, I can't wait to read the book now! (My missus has got it me for Xmas!)

I agree with both of your sentiments. There are ordinary, everyday people like us, who are NOT at the level of an Einstein a Sagan or a Professor Dawkins - but we are bright enough to ask questions.

Of course, the Church and Fundamentalists don't WANT people asking questions - they just want us to accept that GOD JUST IS and that GOD JUST DID IT. I'm afraid I can't live my life like that. I want evidence.

As a kid, 25 years ago, I believed in UFO's, Paranormal, PSI, Medium's, Telepathy, Angels, Devils and of course God. I no have NO DOUBT that none of these ideas exist - except in the minds of men.

Furthermore, it is truly liberating being an Atheist. Because when I do a good deed (and I do - I put some clothes out for the 3rd world today), I do it knowing that it was a good thing to do and that it WON'T be another notch in God's headboard towards the glory of Heaven!

Kind Regards, William.

168. Alan Colmes Interviews Richard Dawkins

Comment #2168 by William on October 19, 2006 at 12:03 pm

>>Listening to this interview I was embarrassed by the type of comments Dr. Dawkins was receiving from the majority of the call in audience. If this is any kind of cross-section of the population, my fellow Americans are scary, uninformed people. Maybe it’s a FOX thing?<<

Jean-Marie: Don't be embarrassed! We have MANY uninformed people here in ye olde England too! It's not ordinary people's fault half the time: Many people are WAY too busy, working, raising families, paying bills etc., to REALLY think about existence at all. This and the fact that relgion tends to be inherited from your parents and what part of the world you originate from.

I thought this interview was great! I think the professor did a tremendous job and the Mr. Colmes was EXTREMELY fair and professional!

Kind Regards, William.

169. The Dawkins Delusion

Comment #2149 by William on October 19, 2006 at 8:33 am

Phil, you are welcome to your views, but most in here can’t accept them for the following reasons. Firstly, you sound more Agnostic than Theist and, unlike other Creationists who blindly follow the bible in a daze, you have a decent mind. Consider the following:

>>Slowly this idea has been forced into public schools and science journals mainly in America in the early 60s with immediate effect. Crimes went up; freedoms for sex outside marriage became more popular, child abortion rates went up, suicide rates went up and grades fell dramatically.<<

Irrelevant and evidence of NOTHING. The worst atrocities in the 20th Century were during the World Wars; before your 1960’s analogy of evolutionary theory destroying creationism. Huge armies charged at each other killing each other – I’m sure many believed in ‘God’, but they still died. Also, during the World Wars and a time when many believed, Rape and sex outside or marriage was common – due to the fact that nobody was sure if they would be here tomorrow. These Statistics are easily demonstrated via national statistics websites.

>>The main reason this is now being challenged by a creation movement is because there is still not enough evidence to support the theory, it isn’t science verse religion but a war of philosophies<<

Wrong. In Scientific circles, it is commonly accepted that Evolution is FACT. Even your I.D supporters would acknowledge this. Also, religious believers state that they KNOW God exists, that Creationism is Correct and based on what evidence? The 1st Century texts/ 5th century texts of the Bible/ Qu’ran? This is tantamount to accepting the Mr.Men or Santa Claus, JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE IN HISTORICAL BOOK FORM.

Note also that the infamous Scopes trial, although originally found in the guilty, was overturned by the U.S Supreme Court later on.

>>>>Any evidence that correlates scientifically with Marco evolution should be demonstrated here, yet no such evidence has been presented so far. I see posts informing readers that creationist are neglecting the evidence they have shown yet I still have seen none. A beneficial mutation perhaps?<<

We know what Macro and Micro evolution is and you WELL KNOW that demonstrating MACRO evolution is nigh on impossible. Until we can create a planet or observe a planet over 4.5 Billion years or so, I don’t see how it can be easily demonstrated that this has occurred. However, you must concede, surely, that many animals share DNA and are thus related? Think of the cat world. Think of the Dog world. Think of Primates and all plethora of Insects, Arachnids, Reptiles etc., SURELY certain species at least SEEM to be related? Indeed, I bet Professor Dawkins could demonstrate similar DNA sequences to you in a laboratory.

You say you believe in a ‘Creationism’. So please demonstrate THAT here. JUST because you KNOW or FEEL that Creation is correct, does not suggest evidence, either falsifiable or demonstrable to us Atheists. If you understand Science, you understand that theories evolve all the time and that we seek answers. Where we are wrong we concede; when we are right we add it to our knowledge and move forwards. You CANNOT demonstrate your Creationism in ANY manner. So why should we believe that YOU, one man, has all the answers then? Professor Dawkins does not pretend to have all the answers – but like many in here, he is prepared to research and reason towards them. If you believe in Creationism, then you are not on the same page, because you believe that GOD DID IT! And that’s that! HOW? Does he have hands? Where does your God live? Can a thing be truly alive it is immortal? By what means did your GOD manipulate energy and matter? I could go on and on, but you get the idea.

>>it’s a theory however and in a world where people take their beliefs to their hearts then it is unwise to suppress that belief with theories which Dawkins seems to be questing for and will result with tragic reaction.<<

What is MORE tragic than 911? 711? 7/7? The problems we English had for decades with Northern Ireland? The Crusades? The Palestine/ Israel problem? Sri Lanka? The ethnic cleansing of Eastern Europe? The troubles of the Middle East? Explain to me how Atheism is creating problems in Humanity? We have CENTURIES of bloodshed, historically and recently because of ILLOGICAL BELIEF IN A DIVINE BEING. As Atheists, we value life MORE than you Theists – because we believe that this is the ONLY life and we should try and get along, NOT PRETENDING THAT WE ARE RIGHT IN OUR MORAL VIEWPOINT.

>>Wither or not you support the words and teachings of Jesus Christ it is pointless to attack or suppress them if they have understanding and common meaning<<

Jesus Christ was a MAN – NOT A GOD. And you obviously haven’t read the Bible in its entirety or at least understand the Bible. Many Theists claim to believe in Jesus, but are IGNORANT of some of the evil philosophies contained within. Here’s just ONE of the MANY nasty comments that Jesus and the testaments contain:

“He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” Matthew 15:4-7

This is in your Bible. Go read the vomit. Did Moses not state via the 10 Commandments that murder is wrong? So how come Jesus thinks its okay to kill little children? IGNORANT Bible bashers don’t know the full message of the Bible – Or Jesus Christ.

>>Evolution and the big bang have had their fare share of time but now it has to many critics, it uses evidence that is easily explainable for other theories and yet still shows no conclusive meaning. I’m in favour of creation<<

If this is the case then, what are you doing here? This site is for Atheists. I suggest you go and visit EvilBible.com or godhatesfags.com. Then come back and tell us God is real.

You have a Good mind Phil, despite this. I suggest you do further research and then come and visit us rational, kind, forgiving, well-humoured, anti-gay, anti-sexist, anti-racist Atheists sometime in the future.

Kind Regards, William.

170. The New Naysayers

Comment #2097 by William on October 18, 2006 at 7:03 pm

Stew, Karen, Joel & Terry - I couldn't agree with you all more!

It's fantastic to FINALLY find individuals I have an affinity with - and for that, I truly thank Professor Dawkins, his works and this superb site.

I am learning so much on here! I may not be an Einstein, a Hakwing or a Dawking - but I'm certainly no idiot - and for a long time I grappled with religion. I'm afraid religion is VERY wanting. I think it warps people's minds, hopes and desires. It is divisive and dangerous.

I think Professor Dawkins documentary THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL, shows what science is up against. The intolerance is abysmal! A Muslim stating he "Hates all atheists". A Christian stating that "He is great" and that Professor Dawkins shouldn't be "Arrogant". I think the documentary showed just SOME of the TRUTH of these irrational, intolerant cults; for that's all they are. Just Sects of unreason.

I'm delighted I found Atheism in my mid-30's. It has been liberating for me. And I also leared that my father is now Atheist too - after nearly 50 years of belief!

He told me it started not that long ago... when he sat down, after seeing more death and hunger in the 3rd world and thought.. "What's going on here?"

It's a no-brainer when you REALLY think about it. Either god is UNABLE to intervene or UNWILLING to intervene - and the conclusion that can be drawn is simple: The God of ANY religion cannot exist by default.

Kind Regards, William.

171. Misplacing science, displacing God: the fallacies of Dawkinism

Comment #1887 by William on October 17, 2006 at 12:24 pm

I detest Theists! They really get on my T*TS! I've had the damned Jehovah's witnessess at my door 6 times this year alone! The last time they came, I had a right-old-row with them! I think I finally scared them away (no doubt they are planning their next attack at my 'Godless' behaviour, eh?!).

For years I was a Theist (I hate myself for it). Then I was unsure for a while. Now I am IN NO DOUBT CERTAIN THAT THERE IS NO GOD. And the Works of Professor Dawkins inspire me. I think he is the Atheist champion of free thought, reason and logic. And the truth is, he scares these religious freaks, whether they be 'moderate' (what the hell is a moderate?!) or die hard fundamentalists.

In the above boring review, I'm afraid I was falling asleep. It has been quite easily rubbished by all my above atheist brethren. As usual, a religious individual has looked at the cover of one of Professor Dawkins great books - and already decided it is wrong; I think theists have an air of arrogance and a superiority complex, quite honestly. I don't think they are capable of breaking away from 1st Century Texts, that have NO PLACE in the world of the 21st Century. NO PLACE AT ALL. BACKWARD GIBBERISH THE LOT OF IT - THE QU'RAN AND THE BIBLE.

Last time the God-botherers came to my door, I was in the middle of a vertigo attack. I really was unwell. Though I may not be the brightest bulb on the tree, I sure did confuse them! I asked them if God could create a more powerful God? They were unsure about that one. I explained a few basic scientific facts and on each occasion, they turned to scripture to give me a 'lesson'.

Once they realised that I didn't share their same love of the Lord and that I only like Christmas for presents, they soon went. I've learned to find all those NON-loving quotes from the Bible - and throw them at them. Christians are very fond of throwing the better parts at you - but they'd rather not talk about subjugating women or stoning children to death now, would they? oh no!

I shall continue to read and learn from Professor Dawkins. The man is truly needed in this age of mixed up enlightenment. To think that on 1 side of the planet there are people blowing themselves up in the name of Allah and on the other side we have the murderous Christians called Blair and Bush, really is an affront to all Religion stands for i.e. I am right and YOU ARE WRONG!

I suggest the Pastor reads Professors' - by the way he is Professor - NOT MR. you ignorant relgious git - book again. AND TRY to engage your brain a little and realise that HEY! Maybe life does not have any meaning. Maybe we Atheists are on to something. Of course, you don't want to lose your power over the minions do you? I'm afraid the Human race is starting to slowly grow up now, Pastor... and we aren't scared of being condemned to hell anymore. It may even be more fun that Heaven. Playing harps and sitting in clouds sounds like a boring way to spend eternity.

Kind Regards, William.

172. Misplacing science, displacing God: the fallacies of Dawkinism

Comment #1886 by William on October 17, 2006 at 12:24 pm

I detest Theists! They really get on my T*TS! I've had the damned Jehovah's witnessess at my door 6 times this year alone! The last time they came, I had a right-old-row with them! I think I finally scared them away (no doubt they are planning their next attack at my 'Godless' behaviour, eh?!).

For years I was a Theist (I hate myself for it). Then I was unsure for a while. Now I am IN NO DOUBT CERTAIN THAT THERE IS NO GOD. And the Works of Professor Dawkins inspire me. I think he is the Atheist champion of free thought, reason and logic. And the truth is, he scares these religious freaks, whether they be 'moderate' (what the hell is a moderate?!) or die hard fundamentalists.

In the above boring review, I'm afraid I was falling asleep. It has been quite easily rubbished by all my above atheist brethren. As usual, a religious individual has looked at the cover of one of Professor Dawkins great books - and already decided it is wrong; I think theists have an air of arrogance and a superiority complex, quite honestly. I don't think they are capable of breaking away from 1st Century Texts, that have NO PLACE in the world of the 21st Century. NO PLACE AT ALL. BACKWARD GIBBERISH THE LOT OF IT - THE QU'RAN AND THE BIBLE.

Last time the God-botherers came to my door, I was in the middle of a vertigo attack. I really was unwell. Though I may not be the brightest bulb on the tree, I sure did confuse them! I asked them if God could create a more powerful God? They were unsure about that one. I explained a few basic scientific facts and on each occasion, they turned to scripture to give me a 'lesson'.

Once they realised that I didn't share their same love of the Lord and that I only like Christmas for presents, they soon went. I've learned to find all those NON-loving quotes from the Bible - and throw them at them. Christians are very fond of throwing the better parts at you - but they'd rather not talk about subjugating women or stoning children to death now, would they? oh no!

I shall continue to read and learn from Professor Dawkins. The man is truly needed in this age of mixed up enlightenment. To think that on 1 side of the planet there are people blowing themselves up in the name of Allah and on the other side we have the murderous Christians called Blair and Bush, really is an affront to all Religion stands for i.e. I am right and YOU ARE WRONG!

I suggest the Pastor reads Professors' - by the way he is Professor - NOT MR. you ignorant relgious git - book again. AND TRY to engage your brain a little and realise that HEY! Maybe life does not have any meaning. Maybe we Atheists are on to something. Of course, you don't want to lose your power over the minions do you? I'm afraid the Human race is starting to slowly grow up now, Pastor... and we aren't scared of being condemned to hell anymore. It may even be more fun that Heaven. Playing harps and sitting in clouds sounds like a boring way to spend eternity.

Kind Regards, William.

173. Misplacing science, displacing God: the fallacies of Dawkinism

Comment #1885 by William on October 17, 2006 at 12:24 pm

I detest Theists! They really get on my T*TS! I've had the damned Jehovah's witnessess at my door 6 times this year alone! The last time they came, I had a right-old-row with them! I think I finally scared them away (no doubt they are planning their next attack at my 'Godless' behaviour, eh?!).

For years I was a Theist (I hate myself for it). Then I was unsure for a while. Now I am IN NO DOUBT CERTAIN THAT THERE IS NO GOD. And the Works of Professor Dawkins inspire me. I think he is the Atheist champion of free thought, reason and logic. And the truth is, he scares these religious freaks, whether they be 'moderate' (what the hell is a moderate?!) or die hard fundamentalists.

In the above boring review, I'm afraid I was falling asleep. It has been quite easily rubbished by all my above atheist brethren. As usual, a religious individual has looked at the cover of one of Professor Dawkins great books - and already decided it is wrong; I think theists have an air of arrogance and a superiority complex, quite honestly. I don't think they are capable of breaking away from 1st Century Texts, that have NO PLACE in the world of the 21st Century. NO PLACE AT ALL. BACKWARD GIBBERISH THE LOT OF IT - THE QU'RAN AND THE BIBLE.

Last time the God-botherers came to my door, I was in the middle of a vertigo attack. I really was unwell. Though I may not be the brightest bulb on the tree, I sure did confuse them! I asked them if God could create a more powerful God? They were unsure about that one. I explained a few basic scientific facts and on each occasion, they turned to scripture to give me a 'lesson'.

Once they realised that I didn't share their same love of the Lord and that I only like Christmas for presents, they soon went. I've learned to find all those NON-loving quotes from the Bible - and throw them at them. Christians are very fond of throwing the better parts at you - but they'd rather not talk about subjugating women or stoning children to death now, would they? oh no!

I shall continue to read and learn from Professor Dawkins. The man is truly needed in this age of mixed up enlightenment. To think that on 1 side of the planet there are people blowing themselves up in the name of Allah and on the other side we have the murderous Christians called Blair and Bush, really is an affront to all Religion stands for i.e. I am right and YOU ARE WRONG!

I suggest the Pastor reads Professors' - by the way he is Professor - NOT MR. you ignorant relgious git - book again. AND TRY to engage your brain a little and realise that HEY! Maybe life does not have any meaning. Maybe we Atheists are on to something. Of course, you don't want to lose your power over the minions do you? I'm afraid the Human race is starting to slowly grow up now, Pastor... and we aren't scared of being condemned to hell anymore. It may even be more fun that Heaven. Playing harps and sitting in clouds sounds like a boring way to spend eternity!

Kind Regards, William.