Comments by Goldy

Does this mean gays can refuse to be married by a black person too?

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Comment #208242 by Goldy on July 10, 2008 at 6:48 pm

Brian, 8teist - :-D
Two good reasons I keep coming back here!

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Comment #208225 by Goldy on July 10, 2008 at 6:16 pm

NakedCelt, probably a host of other factors as well, like the ending of the Little Ice Age, a dietary change in Europe due to imported south American tubers (yum!) which helped stave off falling wheat production (except, according to the History Channel, the French), etc, etc. Bound to be a history book where someone gives their pet theory on why it all happened.
But it happened - in the past. A long time ago. The Enlightenment is still in flower but getting past its prime and there are those that wish not to nurture it and take ideas from is as seeds from a plant but cut it down, stamp on it, trample it and be done with it.
The gibbering baboons we have had here shows you what a tiny amount of education wrongly placed and badly directed can lead us to.

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Comment #208204 by Goldy on July 10, 2008 at 5:40 pm

Whenever I go to Xmas or Thanksgiving dinner at my inlaws there is this prick of a brother-in-law who, when 30 people are sitting at the table, makes a point of asking me to say grace. He just wants to remind everyone that I'm an atheist.

Hehehehehe! I can't remember the last time I said grace - think it was at school.
thanksgiving, eh? Simple - grab a turkey leg, raise your glass of non consecrated wine and say "Good wine, good meat, hotdamn, let's eat!"
Sorry for popping in late here :-)

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Comment #208193 by Goldy on July 10, 2008 at 5:26 pm

yay, if i stand on my head i got the 666 post

8teist, as you're in NZ, relative to the northern hemisphere readers you are post 666 :-D

2257. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #208188 by Goldy on July 10, 2008 at 5:24 pm

Kardy, how's tricks? :-)
Christianity - think it was an idea blown out of proportion by some superstitions. That painted slab they found seems to suggest (if it is verifiable) that the ressurrection idea was prevalent). You know how it is - look at how we reacted to the Y2K thing.
Just been to a chiropractor. Not sure if they work, but he did on my spine. I am in pain - but a good, flexible pain :-) Got a cold too - if bio-rhythms are true, mine are as down as one can get!

2258. PLEASE WRITE IN SUPPORT OF PZ MYERS

Comment #208104 by Goldy on July 10, 2008 at 3:20 pm

Email sent - from NZ :-) Should have sent a postcard instead, methinks... something for his wall or fridge door ;-)

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Comment #208093 by Goldy on July 10, 2008 at 3:12 pm

What a great way to start the day before the chiropractor does his thing on my back :-)
Joe - I am...well, what can I say. The sheer breadth of your ignorance makes the moderate Muslims shy away! Indeed, I think I can hear some apostasising!
As a letter in the Arab News site once said, all this talk of Islam giving light to Europe is all very well. The contributer said in his youth, he was slim and a keen runner but now enjoyed epicurian delights and had grown fat. Being proud of past glories is one thing but forgetting they were centuries ago is unforgivable.
Joe, just think - is Islam that great? HAve a ponder on two countries. No, make that 3. India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Two are Muslim, one isn't, really (it does have a substantial Muslim minority but...). Tell me which one is flying ahead economically?

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Comment #207467 by Goldy on July 9, 2008 at 10:39 pm

Considering the "mountains of evidence" for evolution

Personal incredulity and speculation do not make evidence.
And are you SURE crocodiles have not changed? Or are you looking at a damn similar animal and making a speculation? Come to think of it, are we so different from chimps? I dare say (and here I speculate) we would be seen as merely another ape. Do you think you are a chimp, Chump?

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Comment #207420 by Goldy on July 9, 2008 at 6:34 pm

I am astounded at the gibbering gibbons that have graced these web pages. Unbelievable! And they like to think of themselves as adverts for their respective religion? Wow...stunned!
If reading the book reduces one to the drooling idiocy in full and proud show here, I have to say no thank you!

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Comment #207372 by Goldy on July 9, 2008 at 3:26 pm

Hmm, reading this thread reminds me why Islam is not the world's most popular religion ;-)
And what ignorant people they send to spearhead their campaign here. Never mind not even being able to string a sentence together, everythig they have written has been shown to be wrong...or gibberish.
Ah well, we'll let the Chinese and Indians deal with this rabble. Islamic science does not exist, they are all turning to a god that never was for glories they never had.

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Comment #205889 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 8:47 pm

Allah is also a denier of heliocentrism - the Sun revolves around the Earth.
Ah, well. Time to go home - early day for me :-)

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Comment #205881 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 8:42 pm

Allah says in Quran

That the Earth is flat :-)

Sura 51:48"And the Earth - we have stretched it out like a carpet; and how smoothly have we

spread it forth."

Sura 20:55 "He hath spread the Earth as a bed, and hath traced out paths for you therein, and hath sent down rain from Heaven, and by it we bring forth the kinds of various herbs..."

Sura 67:15 "It is He who hath made the Earth level for you: traverse then its broad sides, and eat of what He hath provided. - Unto Him shall be the resurrection."

Other passages that us flat terms can be found in:

50.7 "And the Earth, We have made it plain and cast in it mountains."

51.48 "And the earth, We have made it a wide extent."

71.19 "And Allah has made for you the Earth a wide expanse."

78.6 "Have we not made the Earth an even expanse?"

79:27-30 "Are you the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built ? He raised the height thereof and ordered it; and He has made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morning thereof. And after that, He spread the Earth."

The Koran (like the Bible) teaches us that our flat Earth is held up by "pillars," and held down by objects that serve as "stakes." Passages that refer to the "pillars and stakes," in this context can be found in:

16:15 "And He hath thrown firm mountains on the earth, lest it move with you; and rivers and paths for your guidance..."

31:10 "He created the heavens without any pillars that ye can see; He set on the Earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you; and He scattered through it beasts of all kinds. We send down rain from the sky, and produce on the earth every kind of noble creature, in pairs."

78:6-7 "Have we not made the Earth a couch? And the mountains its tent-stakes?"

The Koran (again like the Bible) teaches us that our flat Earth is a stationary object that the rest of the universe rotates around. Passages that refer this statement include:

18:83-89 "...And a route he followed, Until when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it to set in a miry fount; and hard by he found a people...Then followed he a route Until when he reached the rising of the sun he found it to rise on a people to whom we had given no shelter from it."

18:86: "Till, when he reached the setting-place of the Sun, he found it going down into a muddy spring…"

18:90 "Till, when he reached the rising-place of the Sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter from it."

The Koran also teaches us that the sun and the moon have it's own resting place. Passages that refer this statement include:

36:38 "And the Sun runneth on unto a resting place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise."

36:39 "And for the moon, We have appointed mansions till she return like an old shriveled palm leaf."

36:40 "It is not for Sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit."

And finally In 1993, the supreme religous authority of Saudi Arabia, Sheik Abdel-Aziz Ibn Baaz, issued an adict, or fatwa, declaring that the world is flat. Orthodox Christians and Muslims unite! Anyone of the round Earth persausion does not belive in God or Allah and should be punished!

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Comment #205877 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 8:39 pm

Allah is all merciful
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/07/world/asia/07pstan.html?ref=world

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Comment #205873 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 8:38 pm

Because Allah loves you...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/08/world/asia/08afghanistan.html?ref=world

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Comment #205871 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 8:36 pm

If his entries are a foretaste of the book, I can see why it is free.

Anyway...http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/17/science/17book.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=harun Yahya&st=nyt&oref=slogin

Have to agree with this comment...

So far, no similar response is emerging in the United States. "In our country we are used to nonsense like this," said Kevin Padian, an evolutionary biologist at the University of California, Berkeley, who, like colleagues there, found a copy in his mailbox.

He said people who had received copies were "just astounded at its size and production values and equally astonished at what a load of crap it is.

"If he sees a picture of an old fossil crab or something, he says, 'See, it looks just like a regular crab, there's no evolution,' " Dr. Padian said. "Extinction does not seem to bother him. He does not really have any sense of what we know about how things change through time."

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Comment #205848 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 8:16 pm

I guarantee you in 3-5 years there will be no darwinism and people will laugh at it.

OK, you're on. 5 years? Good. If you lose, you can provide all my needs for the rest of my life. If you win, I'll ensure you have a comfortable retirement.
Don't forget, ALL the world has to see that Darwin, Wallace et all were wrong.
Fair enough?

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Comment #205845 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 8:13 pm

This solid evidence is as solid as the air I'm breathing.
And I'll bet that book isn't free....there'll be a hidden cost. Mind you, worth it to see the non-evolution of a fishing lure...

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Comment #205838 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 8:11 pm

150. Comment #205832 by ertu
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/01/1/l_011_01.html

A lot of things have changed since 1859....

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Comment #205834 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 8:08 pm

Professor Antony Garrard Newton Flew (born February 11, 1923) is a British philosopher. Known for several decades as a prominent atheist, Flew first publicly expressed deist views in 2004

Hard to be an atheist leader if one is a deist...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_Flew

You may like this quotation of his...

In a December 2004 interview he said: I'm thinking of a God very different from the God of the Christian and far and away from the God of Islam, because both are depicted as omnipotent Oriental despots, cosmic Saddam Husseins.

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Comment #205826 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 8:02 pm

Davies has had a longstanding association with the problem of time's arrow, and was also a forerunner of the theory that life on Earth may have come from Mars cocooned in rocks ejected by asteroid and comet impacts

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Davies

So Allah is a Martian...?

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Comment #205823 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 8:00 pm

138. Comment #205818 by ertu

First quote just lets us know why the universe exists.
Second point, refer to 137. Comment #205817 by Goldy

God, you're easy! Give us some meat, man!

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Comment #205819 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 7:58 pm

134. Comment #205814 by ertu
That just shows why the universe exists, not that it was created.

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Comment #205817 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 7:56 pm

In 1994, Penrose followed up The Emperor's New Mind with Shadows of the Mind and in 1997 with The Large, the Small and the Human Mind, further updating and expanding his theories. Penrose's views on the human thought process are not widely accepted in scientific circles. According to Marvin Minsky, because people can construe false ideas to be factual, the process of thinking is not limited to formal logic. Furthermore, he says that AI programs can also conclude that false statements are true, so error is not unique to humans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Penrose

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Comment #205812 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 7:53 pm

As for those who disbelieve, it makes no difference to them whether you warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe. God has sealed up their hearts and hearing and over their eyes is a blindfold. They will have a terrible punishment. (Surat al-Baqara: 6-7)

Yahweh said this earlier. I believe Christians were saying this before too - and we all know that Jews helped Mohammed and Christianity was a strong religion of Arabia.
I can now see why you like cutting and pasting...

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Comment #205809 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 7:50 pm

They have hearts they do not understand with. They have eyes they do not see with. They have ears they do not hear with. Such people are like cattle. No, they are even further astray! They are the unaware. (Surat al-A'raf: 179)

Hence the ready availability of suicide bombers...

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Comment #205807 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 7:49 pm

Allah is known through reason

Really? I thought it was through Mohammed...

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Comment #205797 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 7:35 pm

Yeah, bloody darwinists. Should have stuck with Wallace, like I did :-)
OK, ertu, your one man show again :-)
BTW - still haven't given us this "solid evidence" we're waiting for....

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Comment #205795 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 7:33 pm

there has not been a single shred of evidence put forward to show that natural selection causes living things to evolve

hasn't been a shred of evidence for God, gods, Allah, Jesus, Mohammed not being a paedophile warlord, etc, either but that still doesn't stop you ;-)

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Comment #205793 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 7:32 pm

Is he copying the whole book for us? Damn, was hoping to get to see a picture...

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Comment #205784 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 7:26 pm

Bugger, some more gods arrived!
http://www.godchecker.com/pantheon/chinese-mythology.php

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Comment #205781 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 7:25 pm

That Creator is God, the Lord of the heavens and of the earth, and of all that is between them

Hmmm, one of these then?
http://www.strayreality.com/Lanis_Strayreality/gods_of_heaven_and_earth.htm

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Comment #205778 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 7:23 pm

The Creator is eternal, omnipotent and almighty.

OK, that's Baldur crossed off the list...

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Comment #205772 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 7:20 pm

If any of you exists and says I am, since this person could not have created himself, he is created. That Creator is GOD.

Ummm, would that be my mother or my father? You see, I was always under the impression it was both...

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Comment #205771 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 7:18 pm

Where's ertu gone? Probably working out how to send solid evidence through the internet. Take a picture of it, man - you can't send large objects through the wires yet! That's the postal services' job!

Edit - ah, speak of the devil and he'll appear before your comment!

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Comment #205769 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 7:16 pm

I'm Lamarkian Goldy, all my kids will have beer guts, because they are fuel tanks for love machines. grrrr....

damn, painful laughing with a slipped disc!
My daughter always wants to see things - if the Lamarck was right, she's gonna get a nice long neck from craning! :-)

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Comment #205765 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 7:07 pm

You know, Brian,

This great wisdom, design and plan that prevails overall in nature, provides solid evidence for the existence of a supreme Creator dominating over the whole of nature, and this Creator is God.

methinks this solid evidence will never be forthcoming. Ever.
Unlike scientific evidence, which, of course, is a Zionist plot for world domination...

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Comment #205760 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 7:05 pm

and this Creator is God

Which one http://ancienthistory.about.com/library/bl/bl_myth_gods_index.htm#b

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Comment #205759 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 7:04 pm

Darwinists be polite not insulting and face the truth:

Fuck you, arsehole! I'm a Wallacian!

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Comment #205757 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 7:03 pm

blah, blah, bloody Zionists, blah, blah and that purpose precludes any belief that all living things were not created no matter what the price.

But they were created. Some scientists might go along with life being introduced from outer space but most will concur that life was created. Slowly. Over aeons. Naturally.
Life was not created by one of the following http://ancienthistory.about.com/library/bl/bl_myth_gods_index.htm

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Comment #205754 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 7:00 pm

blah, blah, blah...Evolutionists define this purpose as "scientific". However, what they refer to is not science but materialist philosophy....blah, blah, blah..

Aha! So it's the fucking Zionists! I knew it, the fuckers!

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Comment #205753 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 6:59 pm

"As far as we know, all life today arises only by the reproduction of preexisting life. This "life-from-life" principle is called biogenesis"

Well, duuuh! All life today (not then, but today) arises by reproduction. Holy cow, well spotted, that man!
Now, any thought on life then?
Thinks - is a virus alive? That does not come from reproduction as you know it...
And which god? (http://ancienthistory.about.com/library/bl/bl_myth_gods_index.htm)

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Comment #205745 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 6:50 pm

And that is a well known scientific fact which prove the existence of an omnipotent Creator: GOD

Which one?

Edit - just to help you out...
http://ancienthistory.about.com/library/bl/bl_myth_gods_index.htm

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Comment #205743 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 6:48 pm

So, ertu, you like this line "I have been persuaded that it is simply out of the question that the first living matter evolved out of dead matter and then developed into an extraordinarily complicated creature."?
But!

2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

AND

2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air;

Are you sure this isn't what Flew was saying?

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Comment #205708 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 5:32 pm

Heheheheheh! Funny you should say that, Brian. One of my bosses here thought I was a spy or something when she looked at my CV.

I have to say I do sometimes miss Alberta....

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Comment #205707 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 5:30 pm

They look great. Found out they are basically the Graetzin carburettors as found on immediately pre-war BMWs.
Now I need to have a look at the final drive to see why it has decided not to turn and then i can get cracking on seeing if the old girl will start.

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Comment #205699 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 5:14 pm

You've done everything, mate. Next you'll be telling us you were once a lumberjack(Cue Monty Python song.)

Life's too short ot sit around, move up a corporate ladder, become a manager, etc, etc...
Must lose weight - suspenders and my bra are getting tight... ;-)

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Comment #205693 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 4:56 pm

I liked the Mormon reference too - as I recall Lethbridge was the Mormon Mecca in Canada, not too far from Calgary
http://www.lds.org/institutes/home/0,8473,768-1-36-60757,00.html

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Comment #205692 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 4:50 pm

Maybe working with oilmen in Alberta coloured my views, but I am still wondering how this was built in Calgary. Mind you, guess they could never do it in, say, Red Deer or Peace River :-)
Saying all that, I predict there will be a growing congregation for the mosque...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7493829.stm