2451. Inadequate, private and late apology with grotesquely inadequate excuse

Comment #159134 by Bonzai on April 11, 2008 at 1:29 pm

Diacanu

She used her bullying yap to stifle this guy's freedom of speech.

But that is quite apart from trying to use her political office to deprive him of his freedom of speech. The former is, well, bad debating form; the latter is abuse of power.

Bullying is quite common in debates, whether in parliaments, city councils or the internet. You only get bullied if you allow yourself to be bullied, but you must submit to the power carried by political office. I think we shouldn't confuse the two,

2452. Inadequate, private and late apology with grotesquely inadequate excuse

Comment #159129 by Bonzai on April 11, 2008 at 1:23 pm

Diacanu

Until the next time her and her buddies wanna shovel public funds into the church's coffers.

Then nail her on that. It is a completely separate matter. I think she may go to jail if found misappropriating funds regardless of whether she sent them to the Church or the RD foundation.

2453. Inadequate, private and late apology with grotesquely inadequate excuse

Comment #159110 by Bonzai on April 11, 2008 at 12:55 pm

That's why I said she TRIED to.

Should people be fired because of ill intent?

She has apologized, he has accepted it, I think it should be over. Let them vote her out if the electorates think that her views on atheism make her unfit for office.

2454. Inadequate, private and late apology with grotesquely inadequate excuse

Comment #159102 by Bonzai on April 11, 2008 at 12:42 pm

Diacanu

It wasn't just an opinion..

And freedom of speech isn't a "get out of everything", card.
She tried to fuck with someone's rights.
You can't turn around and snivel that her right to fuck with someone's rights are being fucked with if she's removed from the office that allows her to do so.

It'd be like whining that a teacher getting fired for being a pedophile is intolerance.

Did Sherman "get out" after being told to? I could be wrong but I don't think he did.

Davies simply has no power to eject him. Her telling him to "get out" was not legally binding, It was bullying, but not an abuse of office and it didn't deprive Sherman's right to speak. It was very rude and exposed her bigotry, but it wasn't illegal.

I am afraid it was in fact only an opinion, though very rudely and "forcefully" expressed.

I don't think your comparison of pedophilia holds up.

2455. The List: The World's Worst Religious Leaders

Comment #159052 by Bonzai on April 11, 2008 at 11:31 am

Except perhaps for Nasrallah, they are all nobodies with only limited, local influences.

These are mostly politicians,-- at least one is a cult leader,-- caught up in local conflicts rather than religious leaders proper.

If they are somehow used as representatives of religion then indeed most believers can justifiably say "these are not our gods".

I wonder who came up with a list like this. I sense that it is probably more about political axe grinding than anything else. It may not be an accident that Nasrallah tops the list and he happens to be the only person on the list who has some international recognition.

2456. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158979 by Bonzai on April 11, 2008 at 9:19 am

Paula,

Meant by whom? God? I don't believe in him.

The people who wrote the stories, of course. You don't have to believe that there is a God to believe that somebody did write the NT, do you?

2457. Scientists take drugs to boost brain power: study

Comment #158977 by Bonzai on April 11, 2008 at 9:14 am

Scientists are actually cool because they are high too. Maybe this finding will recruit more young people to science than all popular science lectures that Richard Dawkins will ever give,

2458. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158941 by Bonzai on April 11, 2008 at 7:52 am

Paula,

I simply don't find that remotely persuasive. There is a myth that Jesus as shown in the NT was some sort of outstandingly wonderful character. I really don't find him that special.

Maybe he was not supposed to be an outstandingly wonderful character? I think one reason the Jews dismiss the Christian claim is that they simply cannot accept a Messiah who was so ordinary.

I actually think that many Christians miss the point too by trying to put Jesus on some pedestal. This was a guy who hanged out with prostitutes, tax collectors and other outcasts (It is kind of ironic that D-I-O accused atheists as "outcasts of their people", that would actually be a very good description of Jesus and his followers)

2459. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158932 by Bonzai on April 11, 2008 at 7:30 am

Paula

Just someone who didn't make his own job 100 times harder and more dangerous by antagonising people it would have been smarter not to antagonise

But then if he were more diplomatic he probably wouldn't have gotten himself crucified, would he? In that case he would have failed his mission.

I actually see Jesus as a very sympathetic figure, a man-god who betrayed genuine human emotions. In some way he was supposed to encapsulate the fate of man, with all his humanity and vulnerability. I find the most moving passage in the NT was his prayers in Getsemani, begging the father to take away the bitter cup..

IMO God the father was the bastard in the NT narrative, not Jesus.

But then I may have my view coloured by Nikos Kazantzakis' "the last temptation of Christ". A great book, by the way, much better than the movie.

2460. Hitchens vs. Hitchens

Comment #158922 by Bonzai on April 11, 2008 at 7:12 am

You can check out Chomsky's view and his debates with critics at

http://zmag.org/

2461. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158918 by Bonzai on April 11, 2008 at 7:06 am

Yes, the Bible does not relate the story of the impoverished pig farmer, I suspect he was one of the jeering crowd at the crucifixion!

He might have been a rich farmer to have a whole herd. Moreover, Jews had no business raising pigs according to Judaic law, The pig farmer had to be gentile, probably Roman.

2462. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158914 by Bonzai on April 11, 2008 at 7:03 am

Paula

No, I find it rather hard to buy in to this "wonderful Jesus" idea. The Jesus as presented in the NT has his good moments, it's true, but he's also moody, incredibly opaque in some of his answers, petulant, unpredictable, and incredibly undiplomatic - NOT a good quality in someone who'd supposedly been sent from God to win people over.

Actually I don't feel that way at all. I think part of the attractive aspect of Jesus to the believers comparing to other aloof deities in other religions is that he was very human in many ways and walked in our shoes, so to speak.

What would you think God should have sent as his representative? A slick, smooth talking PR man in a three piece suit?

2463. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158907 by Bonzai on April 11, 2008 at 6:51 am

He sent a load of pigs off on a marathon run and made them jump off a cliff!

I can see the porkers needing some exercises.

BTW, isn't that weird that there were actually pig farmers in ancient Israel while pigs were supposed to be abominations for the Jews? Maybe they were Roman pigs..

2464. Scientists take drugs to boost brain power: study

Comment #158900 by Bonzai on April 11, 2008 at 6:44 am

lthough ... instead of studying, here I am on this forum ... maybe my concentration is slipping? Anyone have some adderall?

I can certainly relate to that. The other night my roommate gave me two tablets of dextroamphetamine to boost my concentration and help me to stay up late to read some papers and do some work. I ended up not sleeping for 48 hours and spending most of my time here... I will never touch that stuff again.

2465. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158896 by Bonzai on April 11, 2008 at 6:41 am

MAXD

Its one of the reasons I think it may well be Richard Morgan. It is the kind of petty thing I link with his earlier behavior this week. Storming off, deleting almost all of his posts, lurking which he was definately doing

I agree, and it seems too much of a coincident that Diogenes happens to be the name of RM's old Mr.Hat.

2466. The simple falsehood at the heart of Expelled

Comment #158892 by Bonzai on April 11, 2008 at 6:37 am

Steve,

I am shocked. I am going to agree with Bonzai

Well remember in the good old days we do agree quite a bit sob sob.. Don't worry, I am not flirting in case your hubby read this. ;)

2467. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158888 by Bonzai on April 11, 2008 at 6:31 am

I start forgetting after about 8 pints when the women start looking better!

You sure that was a woman?

A couple of times I woke up in the morning after a rather heavy night on the tiles to discover not only could I not remember the night out I had cleaned my room, even hoovered it the second time. I was really freaked out, I had folded all my clothes, dusted - everything! :)

Wow, it is like having a maid..Maybe I should take to heavy drinking too.. my room is kind of a mess..It badly needs some cleaning..:)

2468. Scientists take drugs to boost brain power: study

Comment #158880 by Bonzai on April 11, 2008 at 6:26 am

Well scientists are just people, they eat and shit. Since overall there are many people in the society at large abusing prescription drugs I don't see why scientists would be different. If anything they have even more incentive than Joe Blow because the publish or perish culture of the academe makes science very much like a competitive sport.

2469. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158874 by Bonzai on April 11, 2008 at 6:19 am

I'll pass..:(

2470. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158872 by Bonzai on April 11, 2008 at 6:16 am

I specifically make a point in the office of choosing very obscure times to have a cuppa, hence the 12:31 notice!

That sounds like lunch time. :)

2471. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158861 by Bonzai on April 11, 2008 at 6:04 am

phasmagigas

I drink "orange pekoe", cheap tea bags I get with $2 Canadian for 100. Sometimes I drink Chinese green tea for a change, They are usually a dollar for 20 or something like that.

I drink all day and night and have lost count long ago. I have built up so much caffeine tolerance that I can have a double shot of expresso and go right to bed..

2472. The simple falsehood at the heart of Expelled

Comment #158855 by Bonzai on April 11, 2008 at 5:58 am

Goldy

Ah, yes, the good old "That's not MY God!" argument. Trouble is, every person has his or her own interpretation of Jesus' command. Including Paul, who you slavishly follow now. How do you know you are following Jesus' teaching? After all, EVERYTHING you know about Jesus is what Paul said and I hear Jesus' own brother didn't agree with him. ..

"That is not my God" is a valid point against strawman arguments.

It is true that there is a wide range of interpretations for Jesus' teaching, but somehow I don't think Hitler fits anywhere in that spectrum.If you have to squeeze him in he is probably so far away from what you would call the mainstream to be hardly relevant to any Christian or critic of Christianity.

2473. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158846 by Bonzai on April 11, 2008 at 5:46 am

Philip,

Bloody hell, its 12:31, its time for more tea..

Do you mean just tea or tea as in tea with cucumber sandwich? I dunno, I drink tea the whole day and there is no schedule to it. I have a tea stained cup in front of me and I usually use two tea bags in one cup.. Cheap tea, of course.

There is something familiar about you announcing your tea time.Didn't Veronique use to say things like "bloody hell, it is 12:31, time for another booze.."?

I prefer tea, as I am not very alcohol tolerant.. get terribly high with only one drink and wake up the next day with a head ache. Tea I can drink all day all night..

2474. The simple falsehood at the heart of Expelled

Comment #158673 by Bonzai on April 10, 2008 at 11:02 pm

'. Many catholics are critical of the conduct of the catholic church, this does not magically make them non-christian. Many christians object to portions of the bible, this is not sufficient to consider them apostates.

The question should be which part of the Jesus' teachings did Hitler uphold? You need an ultra Post Modernist understanding of Christianity in order to pin Hitler on Christianity. You can make fair criticisms against Christianity both in its dogmas and practice as understood by mainsrream Christians,--granted there are variations and diversities,--without having to erect strawmen.

I think Hitler just saw something of utilitarian value in religion and exploited it. These are the same "virtues" that many traditionalists extol, things like respect for authority, discipline etc, It just happened to be Christianity since Germany was a Christian country. It could have been Shintoism or atheistic Confucianism if Hitler were Japanese or Chinese. Rastafarianism, however would not work, because everyone would just get mellow and high.

P.S. Please be easy with the links, we know how to use google.:)

2475. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158646 by Bonzai on April 10, 2008 at 9:15 pm

Dio aka Richard Morgan is the one who is suffering from God withdrawal over Dawkins,

Who but RM himself used to worship at the prof's feet with his fawning musical offerings and words of adulation? Who, but Richard Morgan himself who has been bemoaning about not finding a "community" in Rd.net at Robertson's site?

Nobody else seems to suffer from the delusion of finding true God and happiness in Richard Dawkins and the internet but Morgan himself, who seems to be pathologically craving attentions and that warm, fuzzy feeling of belonging even in cyberspace.

Morgan, with this "God shaped hole in his heart" that is hungry to be filled, set up Dawkins as a "god" only to find him lacking, who should be blamed for his disillusions? Not the prof, that much is clear.

So what now, the spurned lover and the disillusioned believer turns on his former idol,--and only his,-- with all the venom he can muster and projects his former self onto the rest of us. This is delusional on many levels, being religious is probably the least of it.

It is sad.

sign: a happy and well adjusted "homosexualist".

2476. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158596 by Bonzai on April 10, 2008 at 7:51 pm

MaxD,

Yeah, it's kind of odd. Now I believe in ghosts, at least in the internet...

2477. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158586 by Bonzai on April 10, 2008 at 7:35 pm

Wasn't Diogenes2008 Richard Morgan's sock puppet?

Boy, as Stephen King said, sometimes they come back...

2478. Fleabytes

Comment #158420 by Bonzai on April 10, 2008 at 1:15 pm

IMHO the greatest sockpuppet of all time was given to us by the writers of the NT.

I would nominate Mohammad instead. At least the NT writers didn't claim they were possessed by Jesus.

2479. Fleabytes

Comment #158136 by Bonzai on April 10, 2008 at 5:53 am

So Brian, are you saying you are actually BAEOZ too?

I am really confused now, I am slow...

2480. Fleabytes

Comment #158129 by Bonzai on April 10, 2008 at 5:34 am

Brian,

Are you ok? Why the deleting and lurking? Now this Richard Morgan like gesture of musical offering.

I am serious, you freak me out.

2481. Fleabytes

Comment #158102 by Bonzai on April 10, 2008 at 4:26 am

Keith wrote:

Steve, you seem to be making a career out of being 'a nice man' and it sometimes drives you into odd positions.

And someone else here seems to make a career out of being a prick. To each his own.

2482. Fleabytes

Comment #158093 by Bonzai on April 10, 2008 at 4:13 am

Steve,

I can put myself in the place of someone who has screwed up on a site or forum and has an "I wish I was never there" attitude, wanting to erase their presence. I can imagine it being a form of self-destructive behaviour, part of wishing to hide from the world, perhaps out of embarassment.

Sometimes I feel that way too. I take it as a sign that I need to go out more and meet some people in real life for a change,

IMO if someone becomes so obsessed with his/her online persona he/she ought to take a break from it and smell the coffee, or the dog shit, whatever that is real. As Socrates said, it is only the internet, No disrespect intended, online fora are not real communities.

What is truly pathetic is that some sad recluse actually thinks that a cyber life is better than the real life and that thanks to Moore's law we will all become cyber creatures and that is a thing to look forward to. I won't mention names but I think you all know who I have in mind. Call me old fashion, I find the idea horrible.

2483. Beware the Believers

Comment #157961 by Bonzai on April 9, 2008 at 9:45 pm

So who is this Kyrie person? Is he the creator of the video? Just wondering since he sounds so authoritative.

2484. Anti-Quran Film Fitna Pulled From Web Due to 'Threats'

Comment #157901 by Bonzai on April 9, 2008 at 5:44 pm

Goldy,

What we see in the Muslim world now is exactly the kind of mentality behind the Boxer Rebellion in China around the mid 1800's. The extreme xenophobia, false pride over tradition and general backwardness and stupidity mistaken as heritage and honour that define a people. We though, snapped out of it fairly quickly by comparison because we had no oil to sustain the madness and export it.

2485. Cult leader Pyotr Kuznetsov tries suicide after realising he was wrong about doomsday

Comment #157897 by Bonzai on April 9, 2008 at 5:37 pm

I second Frankus and Mark Smith.

2486. Anti-Quran Film Fitna Pulled From Web Due to 'Threats'

Comment #157894 by Bonzai on April 9, 2008 at 5:33 pm

Goldy,

Post your letter when it is published, Well, ok, post it anyway whenever you are done. You're a sensible sort, I get carried away sometimes, though nothing comparing to what goes on in other threads lately. :-)

2487. Anti-Quran Film Fitna Pulled From Web Due to 'Threats'

Comment #157887 by Bonzai on April 9, 2008 at 5:14 pm

Goldy,

When I read shit like this I wish I can swear like sty-fucking -rer. It is at occasions like this that I realize my command of English still needs improvement.

All religions are fucking stupid, but some are fucking stupid and dangerous and their deluded followers are insufferably arrogant to boot,

It is not often that I wade through teratonis' long winded posts, but he gets one thing right, We should somehow find an alternative to oil and in the mean time control our addiction. The only reason that stupid countries such as Saudi Arabia can still live in the 7th century and pretend that they are the example for others to emulate is because of oil. If we don't need their oil they can rot in their little 7th century fantasy for all we care. If we don't need their oil we can build a fucking wall around them and let them devolve back into fucking apes or something.

2488. Anti-Quran Film Fitna Pulled From Web Due to 'Threats'

Comment #157881 by Bonzai on April 9, 2008 at 4:56 pm

EDDAH, 10 April 2008 â€" A Saudi blogger has made a six-minute video entitled "Schism" by portraying texts from Christian sources out of context, similar to the way Dutch MP Geert Wilders made his recently-released anti-Qur'an film entitled "Fitna."

These guys are just so out to lunch.

The issue is not that there are hateful verses in the Bible and the Quran, but how seriously believers in Christianity and Islam take these verses respectively.

Except for maybe fringe nutters like the Phelps, no mainstream Christian advocates that homosexuals should be killed or in any other way punished like Muslim clerics do regularly. The death penalty for homosexuals is actually the law in a few Islamic states. Again maybe for one or two nuts whom you have never even heard of, no Christian "scholar" or minister has ever been heard telling his congregation that it is ok to beat woman, whereas in the Islamic world scholars who say that a man has no right to hit his wife would be considered a liberal, if not a radical.

Oh, almost forget, when was the last time you heard about a trial for witchcraft? That's right, maybe a month ago, in Saudi fucking Arabia. This country is a fucking travesty for the human race,

Show me a "Christian" country which applies the law of Moses like Saudi Arabia and a few other Islamic countries that practice various forms of Sharia,--with differing flavours of barbaric gruesomeness

Chistians in the West are subjected to secular law.

When was the last time this guy sticked his head out of his arse and smelled something other than his own fart? May be the 12th century or something? It seems that he still perceives the world in the mold of Christianity v.s Islam and thinks that his little project somehow would get even with the Christians.

What a pathetic goof.

2489. Fleabytes

Comment #157644 by Bonzai on April 9, 2008 at 11:23 am

Incredulous

personally think the vast majority of people are like Richard in that they don't really believe all the father in the sky nonsense, or even in life after death.

They don't care whether our moral code comes from ancient texts or whether we should be constantly evolving stuff as new evidence appears.

People like being with and relating to other people.

Sometimes, there are other unfulfillable longings which no matter how irrational they appear, still exist to the individual.

This is why religion appears to score over us every time. Of course it is wrong, but it obviously satisfies something in some people not yet identified, scientifically - it will be.

I second (third?) others who say that this is very wise and well spoken.

2490. Richard Dawkins: 'Growth in creationist beliefs a problem for schools'

Comment #157427 by Bonzai on April 9, 2008 at 4:46 am

There are good reasons for that, which probably have nothing to do with creationism in schools. If we're still talking about that.

I would talk about anything to avoid the fuck filled debates over Richard Morgan's alleged perversity. :-)

2491. Richard Dawkins: 'Growth in creationist beliefs a problem for schools'

Comment #157418 by Bonzai on April 9, 2008 at 4:26 am

If you can concoct something that is arguably better than the old drug and sufficiently different to get its own patent it is a winner!

It is even a bigger winner if you can get a new patent by slightly repackaging the old drugs. I know quite a few pharmacists and it seems that many otherwise rational people are quite naive when it comes to how business works, and how the pharmaceutical business works in particular. Do you seriously think that most doctors are up and up on research? They get their info about new drugs from the drug companies' propaganda.

Drug companies even get tax write offs for wining and dining doctors as a kind of promotional expenses, It is tax payer subsidized kick back scheme, so much about the market imperative to create better widgets. I am sure Goldy would know a few things about the honesty of market driven "science" in this context.

EDIT
Of course, I don't mean to convey the impression that all pharmaceutical researches are equally superficial, it depends on the type of drugs and the kind of diseases they are supposed to treat, etc.Things like insulin are solidly scientifically based. Others, like Prozac, are more wishy washy.

2492. Hitchens vs. Hitchens

Comment #157197 by Bonzai on April 8, 2008 at 4:31 pm

he's either ignorant or he willfully ignores the evidence

Or because of sibling rivalry. It is possible.

2493. Cult leader Pyotr Kuznetsov tries suicide after realising he was wrong about doomsday

Comment #157193 by Bonzai on April 8, 2008 at 4:22 pm

Somebody saw a herder. Us cats have gotten nervous

My question is who is(are) the herder(s) and who are the cats.

2494. Richard Dawkins: 'Growth in creationist beliefs a problem for schools'

Comment #157177 by Bonzai on April 8, 2008 at 4:01 pm

Goldy

Surely to advance technologically you need to understand the principles...isn't that science?

Not really. Is Chinese medicine "science"? I think that is a good paradigm for technologies that "work",--in some sense,-- but you don't necessarily know what are the scientific basis of why they work. This also applies to a substantial part of modern drug industry. With double blind testings and what not they have refined the method of trial and error so they can say perhaps with more confidence that drug A would cause effect B, but they don't always know why that is the case.

Newton didn't just say, "statistically" objects would move in elliptical orbits around a massive center because we see that with the planets. He actually had a theory that summarized and explained "why" this should be the case universally.

In a sense science is theories. Theories provide the narrative structure to science. Technology doesn't always have theories. China could make very good steel (as did other ancient civilzations)through systematic trial and error and refinement even though it knew nothing about the structure of matter, which is the basis of material science.

2495. Richard Dawkins: 'Growth in creationist beliefs a problem for schools'

Comment #157151 by Bonzai on April 8, 2008 at 3:32 pm

Maybe that's why science was so far advanced in China

Actually I would disagree with that. China was very advanced technologically but it had never had science in the proper sense. In fact I started having this idea that technology and science can be quite seperate when I studied Chinese history in school.

2496. Discussion between Richard Dawkins and Paula Kirby

Comment #157148 by Bonzai on April 8, 2008 at 3:28 pm

The right training can work wonders. I have seen shy mumbling people turn into clear confident speakers at the end of a course..

Don't know about courses. Being an exhibitionist would help, or pills.

I have always been a very confident public speaker. I have been in debates, poetry recitation contests and singing contests since I was a child and now I also teach. Stage fright has never been a problem to me. I have been told that I am somewhat of an exhibitionist in public though privately, one on one I can be very shy..

2497. Richard Dawkins: 'Growth in creationist beliefs a problem for schools'

Comment #157135 by Bonzai on April 8, 2008 at 3:17 pm

Yes Bonzai science and technology are not the same thing but modern technology wouldn't be possible without a deep understanding of how the world works brought by science.

Yes, but on the other hand I think it is also true that individuals can work in a tech environment with very little overall understanding of science or having a scientific outlook. What esoteric science would an automobile engineer encounter in his day to day job?

I may be wrong, but having met some engineers I have the feeling that a lot of their education consists only of knowing how and when to apply what procedures to get which outcome. They are not neccessarily required or expected to have any deep conceptual understanding of scientific principles. With doctors it is even worse.

2498. Richard Dawkins: 'Growth in creationist beliefs a problem for schools'

Comment #157118 by Bonzai on April 8, 2008 at 3:03 pm

yussell23

Religious people, who do not hesitate to go to doctors, use the phone, fly in airplanes, drive cars, use computers, etc., will tell you with a straight face that science is unreliable.

They don't mind technology and gadgets, it is only the scientific world view that they resist.

Is it possible to have technology without science? I guess in some sense it is possible. All ancient civilizations had some kind of technology, though a coherent scientific world view didn't emerge until quite a lot later.

Science and technology are related, but they are not the same thing. The difference can sometimes be quite subtle.

According to Steven Weinberg,-quoting Abdus Salem,-- governments of Muslim countries always want more engineers, doctors, computer programmers and technologists in general. But they are suspicious about pure science because unlike technology which tends to be narrowly focused and involves only techniques, science is more reflective. Science has a worldview, hence it is subversive.

I always wonder why there seem to be a disproportional number of religious fanatics among engineers. The roster of "Creation scientists" is swell with engineers. Many Muslim extremists happen to be engineers. I am probably generalizing a bit here, it seems an education that teaches you only how to do things without developing a coherent way to see the world is just glorified training.

2499. Richard Dawkins: 'Growth in creationist beliefs a problem for schools'

Comment #157061 by Bonzai on April 8, 2008 at 2:16 pm

Frankus,

Kids today are ignorant of a lot of stuff us older folk take for granted.

I don't know about that. Not all "older folks" are like the brainy types on RD.net here. I have met morons everyday whom you wouldn't mistaken for teenagers. On the other hand, young people probably know a lot of things that older people have no clue about and don't feel they are important.

Older folks always complain about the ignorance of young people. I think this is a tradition that goes all the way back to the cave men.

2500. Richard Dawkins: 'Growth in creationist beliefs a problem for schools'

Comment #157044 by Bonzai on April 8, 2008 at 1:59 pm

AL,

It is probably not his "failing English", but perhaps RM has become a little too French? All my French friends told me that what the French consider normal flirting would be easily viewed as sexual harassment in North America. Perhaps it was all a misunderstanding arising from cultural difference?

My two cents.