2601. John McCain: America a Christian nation, needs Christian president

Comment #190732 by al-rawandi on June 9, 2008 at 1:07 pm

Nova,





The Founding Fathers are smarter than any politician alive today, there is no doubt.

I care to understand the intent of a law, why it was written, the circumstances, the intent, etc... It is the biggest bunch of nonsense to talk about the "intent" of the framers, as the Constitution was a compromise of ideologies, not a direct and purposeful enterprise of singular ideology.

I think it is important to look at the prescient statements made by the founding fathers, my favorite is George Washington's "Passionate Attachment" speech. He had accurately predicted one of the most detrimental twists of policy to ever strike the United States, the Israel Lobby and the subservience of our foreign policy.

Furthermore, you should understand the debate that went into the creation of the Constitution. I think it more important for people to see what the Revolution was about, what the founding of America was about, and to choose to either re-affirm this or reject this. For me, I would like to re-affirm a commitment to personal liberty. It is always up for debate and the Constitution can be amended.

So it isn't so much a cult of hero worship but, at least for me, rather about certain convictions that are so relevant today, especially when you have fascists posing as men of the "people" lurking at every turn.

2602. Discussion between Richard Dawkins and Paula Kirby

Comment #190712 by al-rawandi on June 9, 2008 at 12:41 pm

Hey I have a degree in these "soft humanities".


I just read a lot on logic and engaged in a degree of auto-didactism that really paid off. One shouldn't depend on an institution to teach them, they should go learn things for themselves.

And I think the criticism can go both ways, many scientists and analytical types have little to no grasp on history or other important domains of the so-called humanities.

2603. Discussion between Richard Dawkins and Paula Kirby

Comment #190700 by al-rawandi on June 9, 2008 at 12:07 pm

Steve,







True.

I should have been more specific.

2604. Discussion between Richard Dawkins and Paula Kirby

Comment #190692 by al-rawandi on June 9, 2008 at 12:00 pm

epeeist,







I am just searching my memory, and I notice that every theist we have had here has done roughly the same thing. He/she has dodged pointed questions, used fuzzy anti-logic, used tired and discredited arguments, and has been what I would call, disengenuous.

I can't say this goes for every theist, but it goes for every theist I have interacted with.

The scary part isn't the belief, isn't the doctrine, but the scary part is that they simply refuse to acknowledge their inability to behave rationally. There is no basis for a conversation if one person is going to use rational thought as a basis and another some crazy talk.

I feel that it's like setting a date to play golf with a friend, I come to the course dressed and carrying my golf clubs, and my friend shows up wearing a kilt, naked from the waist up and wielding a large axe. How does one proceed?

2605. John McCain: America a Christian nation, needs Christian president

Comment #190630 by al-rawandi on June 9, 2008 at 9:56 am

mordacious1,






Thanks a lot for the info. I will take a look at the online app.

2606. John McCain: America a Christian nation, needs Christian president

Comment #190620 by al-rawandi on June 9, 2008 at 9:47 am

mesomodel,





The impression I got speaking with agents is that the complete assholes right above the agents who actually know what they are doing, are screwing things up.

Dumb ass government bureaucrats.

2607. John McCain: America a Christian nation, needs Christian president

Comment #190610 by al-rawandi on June 9, 2008 at 9:39 am

FF,





See I have this annoying problem/compulsion, when someone is an idiot I cannot help but tell them so. That doesn't work too well in politics. I had my chance to get into politics about a year ago and I passed.

Although I could pull a Ross Perot and run on the "Area 51" platform later in life.

2608. John McCain: America a Christian nation, needs Christian president

Comment #190607 by al-rawandi on June 9, 2008 at 9:36 am

mordacious1,





I studied Arabic, Turkish and Urdu. Although the latter two have slipped away and the first is in the process of atrophy.


I have thought about the NSA, but there is a lot less action and a lot more analysis. My goal was to get a foreign station assignment and have a more dynamic role, although the NSA may do this as well.

Do you have any additional info? If so you can post it or PM me.

2609. John McCain: America a Christian nation, needs Christian president

Comment #190591 by al-rawandi on June 9, 2008 at 9:25 am

mesomodel,






Actually the FBI does excellent work when it comes to counter terrorism. And a lot of their work is on Russian gangsters who target Americans financially. This in addition to the work they do with more traditional terrorist.

And the threat is pretty real, 25% of German Muslims said they would engage in violent actions against non-Muslims, and 50% said that Muslims who died in violent action against non-Muslims go to paradise. So these are real people.

As for the CIA, it performs a number of function, #1 is simply gathering the intelligence from on-the-ground local assets. The people most inflamming the world is the DoD, and all their subsidiary divisions of force.

The real war on terrorism will start when the terrorists once again act against our people, which will happen.

2610. Logical Proof of the Existence of a Divine Creator, Why Atheism is Not Logically Sound

Comment #190579 by al-rawandi on June 9, 2008 at 9:10 am

tyler, whitepearl,





Do I sense an email campaign coming on?



My emails, in my usualy friendly tone, generally elicit some incredible responses. Make sure you post up the responses you get, assuming you even get them.

I have received the following from a well worded and thought out email:


"Fuck you!"



Love it.

2611. John McCain: America a Christian nation, needs Christian president

Comment #190578 by al-rawandi on June 9, 2008 at 9:08 am

mesomodel,






Uhhh probably the same ones. I need a job with some excitement. Maybe I will get to participate in an illegal rendition... ooohhh the excitement.

2612. John McCain: America a Christian nation, needs Christian president

Comment #190527 by al-rawandi on June 9, 2008 at 8:27 am

mesomodel,






I am way way too young to run for the big office. I am looking into jobs with various government agencies that may be interested in a person with my "skill set".


Elephant,


Like who?

2613. John McCain: America a Christian nation, needs Christian president

Comment #190513 by al-rawandi on June 9, 2008 at 8:12 am

Elephant,







You are right. Believe me, I hate Republicans far more than Democrats. Democrats want more government and simply say so. Republicans pretend they want less government.

Republicans have been the biggest proponents of corporate welfare. They also love their campaign contributions and are largely traitors to their own people. Handing no-bid contracts to Haliburton sums it up, it is anti-libertarian, anti-free market, and anti-American... how can they claim a limited government?

Republicans are also the biggest war mongerers in the US, always willing to send an army consisting of the economically disadvantaged to some shit hole to die for some ridiculous cause (Iraq!).

The long and the short of it is, labels are useles, people should be intellectually honest, a spade is a spade, it doesn't matter what "party". A party should be a platform to get into power, not a dictation of ideology.

2614. John McCain: America a Christian nation, needs Christian president

Comment #190500 by al-rawandi on June 9, 2008 at 7:54 am

elephant,





The government should be the servant of the people, IMO. Unfortunately many dogmatic ideologues *cough* socialists *cough* think governments are a great tool to impose their ideologies on large number of people, then keep them under foot.

The government should be there to ensure safety to pursue personal goals.

2615. John McCain: America a Christian nation, needs Christian president

Comment #190499 by al-rawandi on June 9, 2008 at 7:51 am

Scooter is back.




Niiiccceeee.


Anyhow scooter, don't forget that Rev. Wright wrote some glowing things about Hamas. The problem is most liberals are anti-racism as long as it is Whites hating some other color, but when it is a black guy spewing anti-semitic rhetoric and anti-white hate, they just look the other way.


Intellectual honesty is a difficult concept to master for the dogmatic. Americans are prone to dogmatism, and liberals aren't immune.

2616. John McCain: America a Christian nation, needs Christian president

Comment #190489 by al-rawandi on June 9, 2008 at 7:37 am

FF,





Let's not forget Obama's other comments:

He wouldn't designate the al-Quds division of the Pastarand a "terrorist group" then only days ago said they were a terrorist group.

Let's not forget his comments to the den of traitors (AIPAC) that Jerusalem should be the undivided capital of Israel.


My greatest fear is that he is either a power hungry hypocrite, or a total and complete idiot.



EDIT*: Elephant,


I was referring to the United States.

2617. John McCain: America a Christian nation, needs Christian president

Comment #190484 by al-rawandi on June 9, 2008 at 7:27 am

Peace,

I agree, I want to decide what to do. The problem is they we all occupy the same planet and do not have the same goals. Some of our goals directly oppose other goals.

Some people want monopolise and concentrate wealth in their hands. I'm glad the state is sometimes able to put the brakes on this.

2618. John McCain: America a Christian nation, needs Christian president

Comment #190477 by al-rawandi on June 9, 2008 at 7:06 am

Peace,






You are certainly missing the point. People are subject to the laws of the state. But people aren't required to participate in the economy in a traditional way. For instance they can live communally.

It isn't a feather in the cap of capitalism per se, it is a feather in the cap of liberty, and free markets go with liberty.

The question is... do you want to decide what you do, or do you want a group of fattened bureaucrats telling you what to do? It is pretty simple, when you get down to it.

2619. John McCain: America a Christian nation, needs Christian president

Comment #190472 by al-rawandi on June 9, 2008 at 7:01 am

TOCT,





One can be upset at the left leaning nature of certain people without being biased.

For instance, have I not always called a spade a spade.

Maybe liberals just get their feathers ruffled when someone who is intellectually honest happens to disagree with them... in fact that is precisely what happens.




Falcon,




Liberals used to stand for something. Truman, Kennedy, Roosevelt... what the hell happened? They used to be for justice, liberty, etc... now they are a whiners club.

2620. John McCain: America a Christian nation, needs Christian president

Comment #190464 by al-rawandi on June 9, 2008 at 6:49 am

AtheistJon,








Damn right.

2621. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #190463 by al-rawandi on June 9, 2008 at 6:48 am

epeeist,






http://www.securityaffairs.org/issues/2008/14/alexiev.php



I think that is it.


Potential Support Ratio, is the number of people under the retirement age comapred to those over it. It means that the welfare state will soon fail because more people will be using it than those paying into it can support. And the only increase in young people comes from Muslims.


The Muslim populace grew in two waves really, decolonization, and one other which I forget the date for.

The radicalization grows because there is little integration going on. This seems to be steadily increasing, not with regards to immigrants, but their children.

There is no way to know how this will change in the future, hopefully it will get better. But hope in one hand and shit in the other and see which gets full first.

2622. John McCain: America a Christian nation, needs Christian president

Comment #190457 by al-rawandi on June 9, 2008 at 6:22 am

Peace,







No, they cannot challenge the sovereignty of the nation. But they can maintain an economic system that was socialist in nature. This is the fundamental principle (in the US at least), liberty. In a socialist country people HAVE to be restricted, the government cannot trust them to make their own individual decisions.

2623. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #190453 by al-rawandi on June 9, 2008 at 6:12 am

epeeist,






I am afraid you will have to remove your head from the sand now.

In the Journal of International Security Studies this month there is an article by Alex Alexiev. He cites a study on German Muslim beliefs:

44% Have "fundamentalist" beliefs.
50% believe Muslims who die in armed struggle for Islam go to paradise.
25% are ready to engage in violence against non-Muslims.

(His source is Islamic scholar Bassam Tibi).


He juxtaposes this with Total Fertility Rates for Muslims in France and other countries. Then he discusses the Potential Support Ratio.

In France the TFR is 1.5 per woman. Compare this to about 3.0 for Muslims (spread mostly between Algerian, Turkish and Moroccan). Then compare this to the fact that by 2010, in France, people over 60 will outnumber people aged 0-14, and by 2015 people over 60 will outnumber people aged 0-24.

The fact of the matter is that Muslim populations are exploding, and are pretty radicalized. And don't be fooled by the demographic numbers encompassing all Muslims... that is too general. You can be certain the radical Muslims have a far higher TFR than the more passive or secular Muslims.

I am still reading up on the situation in England, but my guess is you will have a similar problem on your hands.

2624. John McCain: America a Christian nation, needs Christian president

Comment #190451 by al-rawandi on June 9, 2008 at 6:00 am

windweaver,






Oh for fuck's sake don't start in with your socialism crap again.

When you can explain Venezuela away then maybe you will have some currency.

2625. John McCain: America a Christian nation, needs Christian president

Comment #190449 by al-rawandi on June 9, 2008 at 5:53 am

irate,






That would be the Chomsky that lies about the Khmer Rouge genocide. The one who dishonestly compares it to East Timor.

The one who defends the Holocaust denial of European Neo-Nazis.

That is the Chomsky they are speaking of, the spineless toad who has made a living on wild exaggerations of western misdeeds to support an insane conspiracy theory on par with alien abduction stories. The one and the same.



John McCain,






Did he know that Thomas Paine called Christianity an "Amphibious fraud"? I guess the only people who think this place is a Christian country are the yahoo, slack jawed fucks who hijacked it after a bunch of brilliant men founded it.

2626. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce

Comment #189572 by al-rawandi on June 6, 2008 at 2:15 pm

Mitchell,






I can just think appleby asking someone:


"Are you a vegan?"
"Yes I am."

"You must be sheep shagging homosexual."

2627. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce

Comment #189566 by al-rawandi on June 6, 2008 at 2:06 pm

There is a joke that reminds me of Appleby's logic.






A redneck goes down to the local community college for an orientation.

He is looking at all the tables representing the various departments, when he comes to the "Philosophy" Dept. He asks the professor manning the table:

"How that philosophy gonna help me?"
Professor: "Well like logic"
Redneck: "How's that?"
Professor: "Allow me to demostrate: Do you have a lawnmower?"
Redneck: "Yeah I gots a lawn mower"
Professor: "Well since you have a lawn mower I can conclude you have a lawn."
Redneck: "Ya I got a lawn."
Professor: "And because you have a lawn I conclude that you have a house."
Redneck: "Ya I got a house."
Professor: "And because you have a house I can conclude that you have a wife."
Redneck: "Ya I got a wife."
Professor: "And because you have a wife I can conlcude you are a heterosexual."
Redneck: "Yessir."
Professor: "All this because I knew you had a lawn mower."



The redneck goes by his neighbor's house later that evening. His buddy asks:

"How was that college fair?"
Redneck: "Ir was good I learned all about logic."
Buddy: "Oh ya, let's hear it."
Redneck: "Do you have a lawnmower?"
Buddy: "No."
Redneck: "Then you must be gay."

2628. Male circumcision is a weapon in the sperm wars

Comment #189544 by al-rawandi on June 6, 2008 at 12:50 pm

whitepearl,







I was happy to learn you are not one of these astorkists. I too am a firm believer in the power of the stork.

Also, I was a little weary of the term "sperm competition". I certainly don't want my sperm competing head to head with someone else's. The idea kind of perturbs me.

2629. Male circumcision is a weapon in the sperm wars

Comment #189533 by al-rawandi on June 6, 2008 at 12:34 pm

whitepearl,






What is your theory?

2630. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #189503 by al-rawandi on June 6, 2008 at 11:22 am

Hizb ul-Tahrir is a common name of pretty nasty Islamic movements around the world.


You can probably do a wiki search on them and get a little more information. I am super busy today and can't take time to think through whatever the hell their deal is.

Wiki wiki wiki wikiwiwkiwkwiwkwiwki

2631. Male circumcision is a weapon in the sperm wars

Comment #189502 by al-rawandi on June 6, 2008 at 11:20 am

One tribe in Australia takes a sharpened needle like stick and shoves through the base of the penis making a hole through all the important stuff.


That way semen comes out of the hole, and he will only impregnate a woman when he covers the holes with a finger during sex.


I mean, can someone send them some condoms?

2632. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #189470 by al-rawandi on June 6, 2008 at 10:20 am

epeeist,







What a sniveling weasel that writer is. Michael Nazir-Ali was born in Pakistan and knows Islam well, no doubt watching these people in Pakistan and England and their hostitlity to his views. He was right on in his interpretation of Islamic virtues, although he (obviously) is overly congratulatory of so-called Christian values.

Inayat is a little turd, neither helping to rid England of extremists nor helping Muslims intergrate. His sole function seems to be to perpetuate a problem by telling everyone it isn't a problem.

2633. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #189463 by al-rawandi on June 6, 2008 at 10:13 am

Tez,







No on your suggestion. A traitor is anyone (citizen) who attempts to overthrow the government. In a democracy this is a bad thing, in a fascist government then it is a good thing. But treason is the betrayal of the state by a citizen.

Some traitors are heroes, others are scoundrels. The Muslims advocating Shariah are scoundrels, not heroes. No hero would advocate the brutal subjegation of women.

2634. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #189447 by al-rawandi on June 6, 2008 at 9:43 am

epeeist,





Two things.


1) Can you post the link to the Bunglawala article if you could.

2) Dependence on oil is a huge curse.

2635. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #189424 by al-rawandi on June 6, 2008 at 8:50 am

Tez,






DON'T GO TO ROTTEN.COM unless you want to see tons of dead bodies and sick perverts doing ridiculous stuff.

Rotten contains a lot of morgue photos, and police photos. The popular photos are gun shot wounds to the head and people hit by trains.

2636. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce

Comment #189410 by al-rawandi on June 6, 2008 at 8:11 am

epeeist,





I just want to add my congratulations on your Dungeons and Dragons comment.


I laughed pretty hard.

2637. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #189396 by al-rawandi on June 6, 2008 at 7:27 am

Quetz,






People who are traitors:

1) Those who operate for a foreign government.
2) Those who actively attempt to overthrow a system of government and a way of life.



Guilty suspect:

1) Israel Lobby, they are foreign agents and traitors.
2) People who actively support and work to implement shariah.


The punishment for treason is death, although I would settle for imprisonment and then deportation.

2638. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #189394 by al-rawandi on June 6, 2008 at 7:16 am

epeeist,






So no deportation of terror and shariah supporters? That is what Fanusi suggests. Plus a ban on immigration of Muslims for several years.

2639. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #189391 by al-rawandi on June 6, 2008 at 7:11 am

Fanusi,





Wow, that is a good question. So in mid 2007 I started realizing that liberals (in the US at least) were wusses, and weren't the principled people I thought they were. So I was disenchanted with that.

I would hang out with my more liberal friends in mid to late 2007, and when I criticized US foreign policy (as I had some expertise in the matter) they treated me like a genius, and when I supported some aspect of this policy or criticized one of their beloved "victims" they treated me with scorn.


By early November/December of 2007 I realized one couldn't both be intellectually honest and a "liberal". I found that liberal, for me, had to do with liberty and social change, not dogmatic ranting. So in some sense I still am a liberal (for gay marriage, for advancement of minorities) but I wouldn't even think of associating myself with a sissy whiners club.

But I get a little less liberal everyday.

2640. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #189387 by al-rawandi on June 6, 2008 at 6:55 am

Fanusi,






Well done. With those citations. Thankfully, the numbers aren't quite as ominous here in the US.

The UK is a special place, it allows these parasites (radical types) to suck off the welfare tit before they crash an SUV full of explosives into an airport or something. The UK is in fact funding terrorism.


epeeist,



So can we get back to the facts now. The facts are that the UK has a very serious problem with Muslim radicals, and this problem is growing and not shrinking. I have indentified in previous posts exactly what groups these are, and which groups should be monitored by intelligence agencies.

My question is, being a liberal guy, what is your solution for dealing with people that find your lifestyle, your country, your 'beliefs', your wife, your daughters, as worthy of the nastiest contempt. How do you fix this problem? And let's add in that some are willing to carry out violent attacks (despite sucking off the welfare state) against you and your fellow citizens, and many wouldn't even tell the authorities in advance if their neighbor was planning such an attack.


This is where my mind got stuck in the liberal days of my life (not so long ago in fact).

2641. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #189369 by al-rawandi on June 6, 2008 at 6:22 am

irate,






Oh come on we all know Keira Knightley has an eating disorder.


Anyhow, these were all independent claims made by DM, it seems Fanusi's citation is supported by plenty of other sources as well, not just DM. Perhaps it is a case of the Daily Mail getting it right by mistake.

2642. Mark Steyn vs. the 'Sock Puppets'

Comment #189366 by al-rawandi on June 6, 2008 at 6:16 am

sjk,






Here is the problem with these international contracts, treaties, and other agreements... these things are diplomatic in nature. Negotiated agreements, they were negotiated on the basis of a strong assumption, that the countries involved shared similar values.

Diplomacy, when used between states that can respect the process and share common values is a great tool. If used with those who do not value what we value (individual liberty, human life, women's rights, the preference of peace to violence) it is a weakness.


Fanusi brings up Darfur, this is a perfect example of the UN's impotency. It is a body with no ability to enforce any of its high minded resolutions. If one wants to use diplomacy with thuggish nations, assuming you are foolish enough to do so, it must be backed up by a sizeable degree of force. There is no use in treating al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, or any other nasty, hateful ideology with respect or dignity. They don't return the favor and certainly do not share common values with the countries that opppose them.

Diplomacy won't work with our current enemies. The UN is impotent to enforce any resolution that matters. It falls to powerful and civilized nations to enforce at least a modicum of decency within the world. All the mental masturbation in the world over at UN HQ will do nothing to save a single life.

2643. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #189357 by al-rawandi on June 6, 2008 at 5:51 am

Fanusi,





I have come to regard "Islamophobia" as so much useless liberal sloganeering. Imagine this term:


Naziphobia


Just like Islamophobia it makes no distinction on the basis of race, it makes a distinction based on a chosen ideology. Islamophobia applies to white converts as well as brown Muslims. It is the same as fearing someone for being a fascist, a homophobe, or a racist. These ideologies bother me the way Islam does.



epeeist,




Can you provide some instance of DM lying or distorting. Simply printing true reports about a despised minority does not make you a racist, it makes you an honest journalist.

So forgive me, as I usually trust your opinion, but here I cannot take your feelings on the matter as evidence.

2644. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce

Comment #189155 by al-rawandi on June 5, 2008 at 2:51 pm

Pathfinder,





First, I meant that people in Albania, or the Albanian Kosovars would be likely less religious and virginity might not be such an important point. In fact I get that impression having seen some Albanian women.... The clothing is not exactly Shariah compliant.

My name username is the name of a famous Muslim apostate:

Abu al-Husayn Ahmad bin Yahya bin Ishaq al-Rawandi, born in Northwest Afghanistan in 9th Century. He wrote a book called Kitab al-Zumurrud ("The Book of the Emerald"). In it he finally renounced Islamic doctrine and declared that he accepted the primacy of the human intellect, meaning that humans are given capacity to reason by god, in which case revelation must mesh with rational thought or else it isn't divine, and if it meshes with rational thought, then it is superfluous.

He also stated that miracles are simply legends and nothing more. He called a number of the prophet (ed. profit) Muhammad's miracles "fraudulent tricks".

For a Muslim in the 9th Century that thought was equivalent to discovering relativity, Uranium, and founding Playboy Industries, in one day.


I figure I will burn for a number of reasons if I strike out on this atheism thing. But so far I am ahead in the count.

2645. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce

Comment #189136 by al-rawandi on June 5, 2008 at 2:08 pm

Pathfinder,







Bosnia or Albania perhaps. Albania more so, Bosnia remains somewhat conservative after the conflict and the increase in religious identity.

2646. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce

Comment #189130 by al-rawandi on June 5, 2008 at 2:01 pm

Diacanu,







That was even a little gross for me.


I don't know if it is gay, but it is pretty gross. If a male friend did that I would stop hanging out with him because he is a whacked sicko, not because he is "gay".

2647. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #189107 by al-rawandi on June 5, 2008 at 1:18 pm

Let's be honest, fighting the wars is a job for poor people.



It used to be that the wealthy, in America, would go to war. Roosevelt's kid did it, he led a special forces team in the South Pacific. JFK did it. But now I think, it is largely the under class that fights, because wars are less clear cut in terms of who we are fighting, and there are other economic opportunities. This doesn't make the war against radical Islam wrong, it just makes its dynamic a little different.

2648. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #189098 by al-rawandi on June 5, 2008 at 12:48 pm

Fanusi,





In the American Interest this month, there is an interesting article, entitled "The Diplomacy Fallacy".

One of the things this guy says before he talks about diplomacy is that it is only really effective between countries that share common values. For instance diplomacy with a group like al-Qaeda is useless because there isn't a compromise to be made, there are no common values, the only option is violence.

I had that feeling when I read Robespierre and his commentary on Virtue and Terror, one without the other is often either evil or useless. The Diplomacy Fallacy also makes it clear that potential use of force is often the most coercive tool in getting people to agree to diplomacy.

Also one must distinguish between diplomacy as a process and diplomacy as an end.


*EDIT* 90% of statistics are wrong 50% of the time :-)

2649. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce

Comment #189069 by al-rawandi on June 5, 2008 at 10:54 am

elephant,







Wooter doesn't talk when Appleby is drinking water. Check that shit out!

2650. Town moves against Islamic school

Comment #189067 by al-rawandi on June 5, 2008 at 10:48 am

Fanusi,




The Young Turks, headed by Mustafa Kemal called their reform the Tanzimat. It is a Turkicization of the Arabic term meaning literally "reorganization" or more accurately "cleaning up".


Tanzimat round 2, Europe!