2651. Town moves against Islamic school
Comment #189066 by al-rawandi on June 5, 2008 at 10:39 am
Allan,
In between meetings and conference calls. Just dropped in to see.
You linked to the "Sufi Council". Sufis seem to have this image of being the antinomian wayfarer, smiling at all who pass. This simply isn't the case....
Hamas was based on the movement of 'Izz al-Din al-Qassam, himself a Sufi of the Qadari order and influencial in Sufi circles in Haifa. In fact the Qadari order of Sufis is widely identified with resistance movements all over the Muslim world. They are also some of the most fatalistic Muslims you will find.
Sayyid Ahmad Barelwi who led a long and violent campaign against the British in the Northwest Frontier Province was an initiate of the Chigishtiyya and Muhammadiyya orders (along with several others).
Ahmad Tijan, eponym of the widel popular Tijaniyya order, was described as a Wahhabi doctrinally.
Shah Waliullah Dihlavi, student of shaykh Daghestani and Muhammad Hayat al-Sindi (both teachers of Bin Abd al-Wahhab himself) in Mecca, returned to create a Sufi order much like those above. In fact the Taliban itself was the political expression of the Deobandi Sufi movement, developed in the Subcontinent.
I wouldn't trust Sufis just because you saw the whirling dervishes in Istanbul. Sufis are often the most strident in their desires for implementation of Shariah.
epeeist,
Your criticism of the Daily Mail is that irate_atheist does not like it? Shouldn't you show fanusi some place where they actually lied or distorted.
2652. Town moves against Islamic school
Comment #189031 by al-rawandi on June 5, 2008 at 8:37 am
Allan,
They only need to get enough of a bloc to get the larger parties to concede some points in order to maintain a coalition.
France is the country in biggest trouble. The natives don't breed much (stagnant) and the Muslim population is exploding.
2653. Town moves against Islamic school
Comment #188996 by al-rawandi on June 5, 2008 at 7:01 am
Quetz,
That is only until, after 20-40 years of out breeding, they have enough votes to make it happen.
2654. Town moves against Islamic school
Comment #188994 by al-rawandi on June 5, 2008 at 6:54 am
CommonToad,
Look Here
Why aren't these people being expelled? They are threatening murder.
2655. Town moves against Islamic school
Comment #188985 by al-rawandi on June 5, 2008 at 6:24 am
Skeptic Jim,
Perhaps. Or perhaps they were sick of the way Muslims behave in their country. For instance the grand mufti of Australia saying that women are to blame for rape. Or this Islamic council saying apostasy should be punished by death.
I wouldn't want such a Muslim school in my neighborhood either.
2656. Town moves against Islamic school
Comment #188982 by al-rawandi on June 5, 2008 at 5:57 am
Fanusi,
You said:
What you are leaving out is the hideous conditions of those that did not convert
However it is fair to say that the economic and social apartheid implemented by Islamic rulers made conversion the only option to most minorities. Otherwise the system was too oppressive.
2657. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce
Comment #188770 by al-rawandi on June 4, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Podaar,
It is no coincidence that after I was born, in quick succession came "Kill 'em All" and "Ride the Lightning". It has become the anthem of my life.
When I played baseball, whenever I came in to pitch at the end of the game, the PA guy would cue a Metallica song of my choosing.
Frankus,
There is no need to plug your ears. The problem with these liberal herbivores is that they don't seem to understand (or care to understand) that humans are a part of the food chain, and a very important one at that.
Humans eat animals, the evolution of life on earth was intricately linked to our role in the food chain, I see no convincing evidence why we should remove ourselves. The "cuddly animal" argument underlies all this veggie-whining. There is a cloak used, called pseudo-rationalism, to disguise this. It isn't genuince compassion, because they are happy to allow animals to starve to death, rather than have them hunted, much like pro-lifers are often the biggest pro-war activists.
I eat meat because I am evolved to do so, and well equipped to procure this meat.
I don't apologize.
2658. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce
Comment #188755 by al-rawandi on June 4, 2008 at 1:43 pm
mordacious1,
I prefer dogs to toads.
2659. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce
Comment #188749 by al-rawandi on June 4, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Samir,
I would say any species would hold other animals of the same species with a higher regard because of the same reasons a brother should hold a higher regard for his sibling than say a 2nd cousin, genetic relatedness.
2660. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce
Comment #188743 by al-rawandi on June 4, 2008 at 1:15 pm
Podaar,
You misunderstand how he debates. He takes something he doesn't like, that you said. He then distorts it beyond all recognition to construct an appropriately vulnerable straw man. He then flails away mercilessly at the strawman. Then he asks stupid (obviously so) questions of you, when you posit the obvious answer he then claims victory saying you "didn't answer".
It is the constant use of fabrications that is most annoying. I am not convinced he is wrong on every count, I am open to the possibility he is right, I am also not convinced that he knows what "truth" means.
It is one fabrication after another.
2661. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce
Comment #188741 by al-rawandi on June 4, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Mitchell,
His retort was his disbelief of my comparison, and how "animals were lower" when I challenged this it went ignored. So I took it as silent concession.
2662. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce
Comment #188728 by al-rawandi on June 4, 2008 at 12:28 pm
Mitchell,
(*sigh*) I'm not interested in arguing this with you.
2663. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce
Comment #188725 by al-rawandi on June 4, 2008 at 12:25 pm
Mithcell,
To be honest, you make things up. Simple fabrications, I showed what those were, several times. You have had this habit for a while and it has happened on other threads.
Where you not saying to kill the deer to prevent accidents?
Non-human animals not having a personality is factually mistaken according to the evidence, and would be a statement of faith even if that weren't true.
2664. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce
Comment #188720 by al-rawandi on June 4, 2008 at 12:17 pm
Mitchell,
It isn't up to us to regulate nature.
2665. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce
Comment #188714 by al-rawandi on June 4, 2008 at 12:08 pm
Elli,
I suspect he spends his downtime gratifying himself to the women's underwear section of the Sear's catalogue. I was going to say as much, but I didn't know if everyone else had guessed he was a dorky college freshman.
2666. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce
Comment #188710 by al-rawandi on June 4, 2008 at 12:06 pm
epeeist,
I also find the practice of shoots in this country where several hundred birds will be shot by a small number of "hunters" to be distasteful.
2667. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce
Comment #188704 by al-rawandi on June 4, 2008 at 12:01 pm
Mitchell,
Would it be ok to regulate human populations like that? Where is the consistency there?
So kill all the deer to avoid the possibility of car accidents? Isn't that like pulling all your teeth to avoid cavities?
I don't support inhumane methods of culling meat. In fact hunting, which the flagrant hypocrites here so foolishy decry, is actually a way of population control. Most of these animals don't have predators (humans ARE their natural predator) in sufficient number to check the growth of population. Deer hunting, for instance prevents deer from starving to death, as they tax their natural food sources. You forgot to include humans in the food chain, which evolution did.
And perhaps you would care to look at how many people are killed every year as a result of cars colliding with deer. It is not insignificant. So not only is hunting acceptable, it provides benefit for both the animal population and people.
So kill all the deer to avoid the possibility of car accidents?
Since I have an affinity for logic
2668. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce
Comment #188676 by al-rawandi on June 4, 2008 at 11:26 am
Appleby,
I'm not afraid of homosexuals. I kind of like them, actually.
2669. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce
Comment #188673 by al-rawandi on June 4, 2008 at 11:20 am
mordacious1,
Exactly. So once the proletariat revolt and outlaw meat, your son can be a sacrifice for the greater good.
Or in a world of liberty, people are free to make their own moral choices. And the ones that have choices limited can continue to live their lives, eating all the fish and chicken they could want!
I hope I didn't say anything offensive with regard to your son. I am very glad to hear he is doing well. I cannot imagine a more difficult situation for a parent.
2670. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce
Comment #188670 by al-rawandi on June 4, 2008 at 11:15 am
Mitchell,
Hypocirsy would mean you hold views that aren't cosistent with one another which is perfectly relevant to your argument. See the other thread on ad hominems.
I eat meat because it is the best form of protein money can buy. Do you think, that if I found a better and healthier source, one that I could consume daily with as high a level of absorbtion, I would continue to use an inferior product?
If you want to tell people to not eat meat because it is "immoral" you are doing several things. You are limiting people's liberty to pursue lifestyles that require them to eat meat. You are creating conflict for someone like Anna, who has little other choice when it comes to protein diet. And you are mandating your arbitrary moral position.
I don't support inhumane methods of culling meat. In fact hunting, which the flagrant hypocrites here so foolishy decry, is actually a way of population control. Most of these animals don't have predators (humans ARE their natural predator) in sufficient number to check the growth of population. Deer hunting, for instance prevents deer from starving to death, as they tax their natural food sources. You forgot to include humans in the food chain, which evolution did.
And perhaps you would care to look at how many people are killed every year as a result of cars colliding with deer. It is not insignificant. So not only is hunting acceptable, it provides benefit for both the animal population and people.
The only thing disgusting about the practice is imprisoning these animals first. But I see no other option as I have never heard of a ferral cow, so their hopes of returning to a wild state are slim.
So that being said, I am about to go enjoy about 30-40 grams of protein, in the form of meat.
2671. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce
Comment #188642 by al-rawandi on June 4, 2008 at 9:58 am
Mitchell,
You have an overly active imagination. That is undeniable.
But to be more clear, epeeist was responding to my original post on meat eating which referred to amino acid content of meats. So perhaps if you had looked at that post to which he was responding you would have gained further context, which was that I was making a nutritional case for eating meat. So please don't lecture on context if you cannot bestir yourself to discover the original context.
My original comment was #188468, so noted in epeeist's post.
Can I also infer that you consider me an ethical pervert for eating meat? And not only that, for eating it in the quantities I do? If so I would love to go down that road, because for you, lies the trap of hypocrisy.
And finally; don't assume, it makes an ass of u and me.
2672. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce
Comment #188635 by al-rawandi on June 4, 2008 at 9:39 am
Appleby,
You're gay too, aren't you? I can tell from your picture.
2673. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce
Comment #188629 by al-rawandi on June 4, 2008 at 9:34 am
Mitchell,
*Sigh* You do have an active imagination, no doubt this is tied to your fascination with anime.
In what sense is saying that you would be better able to build musle if you eat animals an argument for it's ethicality exactly? That is easily an argument for a motivation for why you might want to do it, but are you going to suffer, or be in distress more than the animals that supply that protein if you can lift a few less lbs? In what way is the suffering greater if you can't achieve your dream physique?
2674. Richard Dawkins Responds to Rabbi Shmuley Boteach
Comment #188616 by al-rawandi on June 4, 2008 at 9:09 am
These are really my favorite.....
Some guy who has just learned what ad hominem means and has read a couple of books, looks around at his slack jawed friends, and thinks he is an intellectual promethian. Then he decides it is time to take theism on the road.
Big fish in the small intellectual pond (more of a puddle maybe) hits the road and comes to RD.net figuring a picayune amount erudition will carry the day. It will be a real awakening being intellectual dismembered by the posters here.
2675. Is Science Killing the Soul?
Comment #188604 by al-rawandi on June 4, 2008 at 8:45 am
ArtfulDodger,
Answer the questions posed to you. Quetz has linked to them.
Disappearing for a week or two and then coming back and trying to go back to your old tricks won't work.
2676. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce
Comment #188602 by al-rawandi on June 4, 2008 at 8:43 am
Podaar, Irate,
I know he is just trying to get something to stick to justify his homophobia. I was just getting in a dig.
Anyhow, this particular homophobe is especially irrational and eratic. It must be difficult to pretend to be rational while harboring such irrational beliefs. He just won't answer and direct questions either, it is truly annoying, on par with wooter.
2677. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce
Comment #188589 by al-rawandi on June 4, 2008 at 8:19 am
Is he making the case for bestiality.
This is getting out of control.
2678. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce
Comment #188577 by al-rawandi on June 4, 2008 at 8:05 am
irate,
I don't take those things personally, so you don't have to worry about being abrasive with me. I dish it and I can take it.
2679. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce
Comment #188564 by al-rawandi on June 4, 2008 at 7:54 am
Stop feeding the troll!
2680. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce
Comment #188529 by al-rawandi on June 4, 2008 at 7:25 am
elephant,
It would naturally go both ways. His girlfriend would be free to fellate Mr. Ed.
I wouldn't tell your wife any of this. But then again, I wouldn't even get married, I am just trying to keep variegation in the gene pool if you get my drift.
2681. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce
Comment #188521 by al-rawandi on June 4, 2008 at 7:09 am
irate,
Evidence of the foregone conclusion of an idiot, constantly changing arguments. First it is adoption, then it is sheep shagging. "I hate gay people, let's see which argument sticks".
2682. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce
Comment #188515 by al-rawandi on June 4, 2008 at 7:05 am
Appleby,
Did it ever occur to you that the equipment for sex is evolved to work only with other members of the species?
Or would you mind your girlfriend getting slammed by an elephant dong?
2683. 'My daughter deserved to die for falling in love'
Comment #188513 by al-rawandi on June 4, 2008 at 7:04 am
Mom was gunned down simply for speaking up.
I am shocked that John McCain still thinks things are "going well" and we can establish civilized democracy.
2684. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce
Comment #188509 by al-rawandi on June 4, 2008 at 7:01 am
epeeist,
You can get amino acids in supplement form. For instance, after every workout I take Branch Chain Amino Acids, but the fact remains, that even though the nutrition industry has made amazing supplements, the best way to get nutrition is through food.
For instance protein absorbtion rates are highest in eggs and fish. It is hard to get these levels of absorbtion elsewhere, if not impossible. Like I said, one can be a vegetarian and be just fine, but they won't be able to achieve tip top performance or physique. I have respect for vegetarians, they way I respect anyone who takes a principled stand, but I don't think it is sensical to say it is "all the same" in terms of dietary value.
Also protein concentration is higher in meat as well. For instance Mr. Olympia winner Jay Cutler eats 5 lbs. of fish per day (mostly Orage Roughy). He would never be able to take in an equivalent amount of protein with another substance, while maintaining protein absorbtion rates as high as with fish.
But I should say my goals are different from most people, I lift 5 days a week and eat 275-300 grams of protein per day. Others don't share these goals and this is fine.
2685. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce
Comment #188492 by al-rawandi on June 4, 2008 at 6:47 am
Quetz,
I rather wish it was women that found me irresistable, but I will take what I can get. Although I couldn't date him, I would be worried he would be seeing a possum on the side.
2686. Town moves against Islamic school
Comment #188491 by al-rawandi on June 4, 2008 at 6:44 am
Fanusi,
The ranks swelled through conversion.
And besides this, I already said the Islamic empire was spread by military adventure.
You also ignored the case of Indonesia, there was no Muslim army, no Caliphate, it was mass conversion.
2687. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce
Comment #188479 by al-rawandi on June 4, 2008 at 6:26 am
epeeist,
I mean no disrespect, but that vegetarian thing is nonsense IMHO.
The reason is that amino acids are different in plants than they are in meat, for a truly healthy and balanced diet one needs both plant amino acids as well as animal. And as for tofu, it has an estrogen like substance in it which can have some unpleasant effects on the endocrine system.
So meat is necessary for a proper diet, but one can certainly live a life that is healthy without it. But if you look at any peak performers in the exertion sports... football (American or British), bodybuilding, etc... Meat is a necessary and ubiquitous part of the diet. Certainly no bodybuilder could survive as a vegetarian, and very few performance athletes have ever managed it, and those that did suffered major damage to their bodies.
2688. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce
Comment #188470 by al-rawandi on June 4, 2008 at 6:09 am
All,
If anyone has noticed, Appleby flails about. Firing all potential arguments off that he can. This is a good clue.
When someone has arrived at a logical conclusion they usually have some process of logic which they can recount. If you look at people who have dogmatic a priori beliefs (conclusions) they generally will try any crazy argument that comes to mind, and as each are shot down they move on to the next.
When someone tries this many arguments, most of which are ad hoc, it suggests to me that they are trying to support a conclusion they have arrived at long ago, without evidence or argument. It is a common theme in both theism and bigotry, two of the most pernicious forms of dogma.
So our friend here has tried:
1) Unfit to raise children
2) Not the norm.
3) Same as bestiality.
Can anyone remember any of the other arguments clumsily deployed by this half wit?
Appleby,
Pick one argument and stick with it. You are just throwing things at a wall and hoping it sticks.
2689. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce
Comment #188468 by al-rawandi on June 4, 2008 at 6:06 am
Steve,
This guy is so incredibly dumb as to put wooter in the running for a Nobel Prize in literature.
Animal flesh contains protein and invaluable amino acids that are necessary to human muscle development and health. Without eating animals humans would have been unlikely to survive in their environment. Thus eating meat is a necessary part of the human diet.
I doubt appelby can demonstrate sex with an animal is necessary to human survival.
2690. Town moves against Islamic school
Comment #188460 by al-rawandi on June 4, 2008 at 5:47 am
Fanusi,
This is why both Wikipedia and the Encyclopaedia Britannica say the same thing. Islam has always spread by the sword.
2691. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce
Comment #188271 by al-rawandi on June 3, 2008 at 3:05 pm
I responded.
He is just sad. He acts like it is so awful to do research on the internet, like where I tracked down Jerusalem Post articles.
Why does he think newspapers have an online edition? Does he expect me to book a flight to Tel Aviv and pick up the fucking evening edition?
At 6'5" 250 lbs, I don't really worry much about internet cowards showing up on my door step. Besides if he reads through other threads he will find my staunch defense of 2nd Amendment rights. He is better off keeping up with online anti-semitic rants, and not go looking for trouble.
2692. Losing Our Spines to Save Our Necks
Comment #188268 by al-rawandi on June 3, 2008 at 3:00 pm
righton,
Thanks for reposting what the Greek wrote before he could go back and edit out all the nasty bits without note. I have always been honest about what I posted.
Greek,
The most comical thing about you is that you think it is illicit to look up a Ha'aretz article online. You act like it is so dishonest to use the internet for research. What do you want me to do fly to fucking Tel Aviv and pick up the Sunday edition? Want to check my fingers for ink stains?
Now we are done with your comedy, we can start with your out and out lies. Here is what I said, and you simply omitted from your response:
You leave out the fact that Azmi Bishara spoke at a memorial for Hafez al-Assad, and made glowing remarks about Hezbollah. How would a US congressman be treated if he/she went to a country that was de facto at war with the US and praised a group dedicated to the destruction of the US. A group that also said that the US spreads AIDS intentionally (as Hezbollah said of Jews)? This congressman would be instantaneously evicted from his/her seat. Should this happen, I don't know, would this happen, absolutely.
This isn't the end. Bishara visited Syria once again, telling his audience that Israel may launch an offensive attack on Syria. His party (Balad, perhaps you could look up the connotations of this word in Arabic) made supportive statements of Hezbollah on visits to Lebanon.
Quoted in the Jerusalem post the Balad MK's Azmi Bishara, Jamal Zahalka, and Wasal Taha told Fuad Saniora that Hezbollah's resistance "lifted the spirit of the Arab people". This was a "solidarity mission". The same article notes the treasonous act of Bishara warning Syria of potential Israel attacks.
Not finished, Bishara also spoke of Syria' struggle to free "occupied Arab land" and praised Syrian support for "resistance to occupation". Syria the very same country that has sought to destabilize Lebanon. That has assassinated Lebanese politicians. The very same.
It has been a law, since 1948 in Israel to incite violence against that state, and to lend support (verbal or physical) to terrorism. This law has been around for a great long while.
So what did the fuckers do? They changed the rules yet again.
LOL (You know, your username "al-rawandi" sounds Arabic, and looks similar to "al-Qaeda". You're not like those "Arab shitholes", are you?)
In case you haven't figured it out, I am purposely rude and arrogant towards you. Why not? You're a selfish bastard. You don't give a damn about the things you write. And why should you? It's all a game, no? You get your kicks by pretending that you know your stuff. You know dick! And when you get caught talking out of both sides of your mouth, well ... that's when your bullshit goes into overdrive. "You what?" "You're entitled to change your mind?" Give us a break, A-hole! You have no principles to start with. And talking about A-holes, this Greek owns your ass. (You feel those hemorrhoids flaring up? Cream?) Don't worry, I want no part of it. You're so covered in shit that I wouldn't touch your ass, not even with the proverbial 10-foot pole! Lucky bastard. LOL
2693. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce
Comment #188265 by al-rawandi on June 3, 2008 at 2:36 pm
righton,
No I am just ignoring him at this point.
2694. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce
Comment #188244 by al-rawandi on June 3, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Quetz,
I was just kidding, I don't need the praise, but I have to say, there is some ripe material for zingers on the page today.
Any thread that touches homosexuality, tea bags, and beastiality is bound to be rich fodder!
2695. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce
Comment #188237 by al-rawandi on June 3, 2008 at 11:58 am
Q,
I drop "kitty fiddler" (Like a priest is a kiddie fiddler) and you are worried about your teabags? Humor is lost on the great god quetzacoatl.
2696. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce
Comment #188231 by al-rawandi on June 3, 2008 at 11:52 am
Elli,
I would also add, to the SPCA, keep Appleby away from any animal, as he is a kitty fiddler.
2697. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce
Comment #188176 by al-rawandi on June 3, 2008 at 9:54 am
Damn it.
2698. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce
Comment #188170 by al-rawandi on June 3, 2008 at 9:46 am
Doctor Dee,
The men are at least, because they don't deal with women....
*ducks*
2699. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce
Comment #188163 by al-rawandi on June 3, 2008 at 9:39 am
Elephant,
I walked into a gay bar in the Mission district of San Francisco once. A girl I was seeing loved the place, and didn't tell me it was a gay bar... I came in and there was a guy wearing a sailor's outfit dancing on the bar. I was offended about not getting hit on more, until one of the guys told me I "so wasn't gay. It's obvious".
Once I went back in the leather chaps though....
2700. Character Attacks: How to Properly Apply the Ad Hominem
Comment #188157 by al-rawandi on June 3, 2008 at 9:31 am
j.mills,
I read the article. I have criticized him before for his Alan Dershowitz man crush. But thanks for keeping everyone on topic for these threads, what would we do without it?