Comments by Goldy

Comment #193116 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 4:05 pm

Paula

How? I can see how millions of people believing in prayer could directly and adversely affect your life, simply by the influence they could exert on public policy etc - but how would their actual praying make any difference to you?

To pray they have to believe. It is not really conceivable that, of the millions, they would all pray to a different deity, so they form groups. I know that if they pray for me, they think me a sinner or something. One person can't do much to change my life. Many, if they form groups, can and I believe do.
All I am saying is that it is a small step from merely offering a prayer, however unwanted that may be, to wanting to impose restrictions I don't need to protect my morals. From a simple prayer to a Commission for the Protection of Virtue and Prevention of Vice is a small step...
Plus, on a personal note, I do not want people praying for me. Ever. I want people to do constructive things with their own lives.
And talking of constructive things, off to get wood to build a wardrobe. Catch you all in a few hours time :-)

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Comment #193063 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 2:11 pm

I think he should first explain what he means by "degregated".

Segregation of degenerates? Missed that one - mustn't mix grain and grape :-) Explains sore head this morning...

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Comment #193062 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 2:09 pm

Do you have an ass, or do you use a golf cart? :-)

Ural M66 - though as the final drive decided to stop any drive at all, it has been upgraded to arse :-(
But why should I care - hmmmm....it's like spam, really. The web kind, not the meat product. No harm individually, but when a lot do it, things stop and everything gets clogged to a standstill. One person praying for me is an annoyance - millions is an imposition that can directly and adversely affect my life.

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Comment #193054 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 2:03 pm

Ste5e, distilling, still legal in NZ. Trying to convince the wife that it would be a good investment...
I am a bit peeved at txty - frail evidence? That hurts, considering he doesn't read any of it. I gave him almost 5000 papers to peruse, scientific papers. I'll bet he hasn't even looked up one. But I guess he is right - after all, if you don't read the literature, how strong can the evidence be? See no evil, etc, etc...
Philip, I think these raptures adn end of worlds is a way of whittling the more stupid members of religions from the pool. It doesn't appear to be working too well, mind...

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Comment #193046 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 1:52 pm

I'm good enough with AIG's date. Whatever it was, it is 1656 years after Adam.

And this was when, exactly?

I doubt the Levitical feasts make any sense to you, but they are about a prophetic projection of the First and Second advents, with Shavuot being in between. It represents the times of the Gentiles, which is where we are now, though it is quickly drawing to a close.

All religion makes no sense to me. Are you saying we've got a rapture a-coming? What happens if nothing happens?

Sorry for the sarcasm, but honestly, what you guys present as evidence just seems so frail

We are talkng to a militantly ignorant man - we have to make our evidence as simple as possible. You appear still not to understand - which does not bode well for your faith. After all, if you can't understand simple observations, what chance have you in understanding the esoteric?

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Comment #192803 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 1:40 am

I can't understand the likes of RtG though. With all the books published in a year, with the whole of the Internet available to him he is comfortable in retaining his ignorance, in not stepping outside the bounds defined by his ideology.

Like txtpiper, he's millitantly ignorant. He's fighting hard to maintain this ignorant state!
43 minutes: TRY: New Zealand 30-13 England
NZ win the line-out and Carter finds Ma'a Nonu, who hands off Charlie Hodgson's lame attempt to bring him down and the centre finds Mils Muliaina to cross over for the simplest of scores. DC sticks over the two points. You can't but think that if Jonny Wilkinson were in that number 10 shirt, Nonu would've been on his backside in no time.

:-(

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Comment #192802 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 1:31 am

You know of the Goons

*Sound of approaching footsteps* "He's fallen in the water!" Wild applause for Little Jim!

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Comment #192795 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 1:21 am

To all of you.

Goodnight and God Bless

Ying tong iddle I poh

38 minutes: TRY: New Zealand 23-13 England
Brad Thorn makes a brilliant break and Danny Carter scythes through the England defence, but Topsy Ojo intercepts and runs in a brilliant 80m score, using his pace to outrun Mils Muliaina to touch down in the corner. Barkley adds the extras. What a score, England looked destined to be 28-11 before the London Irish wing stepped in for a dream score on debut. Barkley adds the extras.

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Comment #192790 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 1:17 am

I truly am trying to understand why this discussion resulted in most of you displaying such an animosity and heartless attack on Christianity.

Oh for Pete's sake, we are not!!! All we are doing is giving you evidence to the contrary and asking you for a rebuttal! Grow a skin, for gawd's sake!
If you are going to make assertions here, they will have to be backed yo. "Because it is in the Bible" isn't quite going to cut it here. We want evidence. Thought you knew that before you came here!

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Comment #192787 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 1:12 am

Time of death 08:10 UTC. Reason, "I can't answer your questions".

:-D
28 minutes:Penalty: New Zealand 20-6 England
:-(

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Comment #192784 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 1:07 am

Tell me why its such a coincidence that the 25th of December is such an important date? Is it because of the sun and where it sets in the sky?

And don't forget Easter - that moving date of a an anniversary of the death of Jesus...

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Comment #192781 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 1:02 am

This discussion is going nowhere. Only continued prayer has a chance. I really do feel sad for all of you. I pray and will continue to pray for all non-believers to be saved. I can't imagine and would not wish upon anyone the consequences of eternal hell. You all have the choice and free will to determine your own destiny. God willing, you all will see the light soon.

No answers and you have been shown to be a liar. A LIAR! unlike me. Your god must hate you. You pray all you like - your god hates liars and he will not listen to a single word you utter. Pray we, the saved, will be saved. You are going to rot in your hell for lying.

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Comment #192779 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 12:59 am

Goldy, just so I'm not ruining this turkey shoot. What are the pertinent questions? Are they Epeeist's?

Not quite sure now :-) Am also on the BBC following the rugby (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_union/english/7452951.stm) so hard to keep up...
I think our questions are pertinent...though he's avoided them so often I can't keep up...

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Comment #192775 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 12:56 am

Whenever a Creationist asks for proof of Macroevolution, you tell them to go read a book

Liar. We give references and other theories in written forms. You ignore them. Look at what txtpiper got from us.

Go read some books and educate yourself on history. You know what evidence is out there. You just don't choose to accept it.

We did. And scientific papers. All peer reviewed. We know what the evidence is out there. We didn't choose to accept it. Why don't you?

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Comment #192768 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 12:49 am

This is just a red herring.

Brian, don't be led down that path. Get him to answer pertinent questions first!

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Comment #192766 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 12:44 am

There are plenty first hand accounts of Jesus and his miracles. Show me first hand accounts of any disputing of Jesus and his miracles.

Give me one (1) verifiable saying of Jesus. Edit - and tell me why James (Jesus' brother) was none too fond of Paul (as I have been led to believe).

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Comment #192760 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 12:38 am

Why then don't you give me your thoughts on the origins of life. Without knowledge of the origin of life, how can one even consider understanding the process in which you claim life evolved?

Sorry, but what does this have to do with the subject we are discussing?

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Comment #192757 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 12:37 am

RtG -you answer Brian and me separately. As it is, I agree with Brian. But even in your sense, I have not sinned. How does that strike you? Fancy becoming an atheist?
No god - just you own conscience...

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Comment #192751 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 12:33 am

So you can choose to do anything and it would never be a sin?

I am saying I have not - you are saying I cannot have.
Do not confuse two different people.

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Comment #192746 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 12:30 am

Can you prove the universe wasn't created? How then did it come about? I thought Evolution supporters shyed away from the creation/origins of life issue since they have no answers.

Can you prove (without recousrse to mythology) the opposite? We do not shy of answers - we call them throies and we open our ideas to public scrutiny. Theists like you say what you read is the only way and there is no other way.
Who then is the more humble?

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Comment #192744 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 12:26 am

Yes, I can't pick and choose what to believe from the Bible. So, Jesus is the light and the way. Without accepting him you are damned to hell for eternity. That's not my opinion. That's the word of God. I pray that all people will come to know Jesus and be saved to eternal life through his grace.

Give me a break! Each and every quote you gave at your intorduction was a pick a choose! It is not the word of God - if it was you'd also be picking parts out of the Quran and I can see you don't have even the slightset inking what is in that book.
Worship of Jesus obviously doesn't "save" people - you admit to lying and stealing and you belive. I don't and I cannot conceive of doing the same. Jesus is obviously a salve to a guilty conscience - one I do not need.

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Comment #192739 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 12:21 am

Brian

How could anybody who doesn't believe in God believe in sin?

Having an athiest father who taught me that everythig I do is a consequence of me and that there is no forgiveness - how can an atheist sin?

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Comment #192737 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 12:19 am

If you truly and sincerely believe that you are so righteous to have never sinned, then I will pray for you even more. This is a sad state of mind.

If you cannot imagine some one who has not "sinned", look to yourself first and try and sort your own life out. You sound to me a most dodgy character. Do not tar me with your brush. And do not pray for me - even if I believed, you do not sound like the sort I would expect God to listen to.

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Comment #192732 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 12:15 am

Why would I pray to God for your damnation?

Your prayer indicates I am in need of it - ergo, I am damned. You assume already I am damned. Your prayer is an assumption I have transgressed.
You, by the sounds of it, need to pray for yourself. A thief and a liar. That's bad, mate. Sucks to be you!

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Comment #192731 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 12:13 am

You claim to have no sin? So you have never lied or stolen? You don't need to answer. It's ridiculous.

No. Methinks if you can't claim that for yourself, don't force your belief on others.

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Comment #192728 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 12:07 am

How can I get God to damn you to eternal torture?

If there is no way you can influence your god, then prayer will not help. So stop praying.

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Comment #192727 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 12:05 am

Since all humans are sinful

I am a human and I have no sin.

It usually leads to this secular humanistic materialistic society which has engulfed our nation.

Your nation is engulfed in religious fervour. See how religion envelopes every aspect of your life. Religion is important in the way you elect presidents and it encroaches in the way you teach science. Don't give me the secular crap.

Most idols are either celebrities or sports athletes

And Jesus was what then? I assume he was but a man, like the celebrity and sport athlete - none of whom I look up to.

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Comment #192724 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 12:00 am

I would have no problem with anyone praying for me. How is praying for someone impossing on them?

It is rape. You would have no problem because you are already infected. I do not want your prayers. As a religious person, you should understand that.
BTW, only 1 "s" in imposing.
I state again, I want no prayers for me. If you like sex, you probably would like someone forcing themselves on you. If you are particular about sex, that forcing would be rape.

2779. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #192721 by Goldy on June 13, 2008 at 11:56 pm

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.[25]

The Treaty of Tripoli.
There is no religion in the USA - just the state. The State guarantees the freedom of religion, any religion, as long as it does not interfere with the rulings of the state.
That, to me, is the mosy beautiful thing I can think of - that is why I am an Americanophile (horrible word, but conveys my feelings). You, blokey that got touched in the head, anger me for the way you wish to kill this.
Received the gift, eh? Was it a gift you were able to handle?

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Comment #192717 by Goldy on June 13, 2008 at 11:50 pm

Do you believe our society is progressively getting more and more degregated?

Answer my question first

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Comment #192716 by Goldy on June 13, 2008 at 11:49 pm

Your understanding of the separation of church and state is mistaken. It was to keep the state out of the church, not the church out of the state.

To have an Englishman telling you you are wrong is surely the height of embarrassment!

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Comment #192712 by Goldy on June 13, 2008 at 11:46 pm

Why would praying for you be offensive?

Because I don't ask for it, I never asked for it and I don't want someone do do it for me. If America (you must be American) became Muslim how would you feel? You don't ask for Islam, but if it is imposed on you, even for "your own good", how would you feel.
I do not know you, I will never meet you, I don't think the same as you. I would like you to respect me for who I am and not impose your views on me. As far as you are concerned, I am damned to an eternity of hellfire and damnation - what are your prayers, however unwanted, going to help me.
Give money to a good cause if you want to help me.

2783. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #192709 by Goldy on June 13, 2008 at 11:40 pm

These worldly idols are a main cause in the degredation of our society.

And what degredations would these be? Tell us - and make sure you are positive they are not the result of religious teachings.

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Comment #192705 by Goldy on June 13, 2008 at 11:38 pm

So our founding fathers were all silly?

Why did your founding fathers enshrine the separation of church and state then? You agree with them? Hold their thoughts dear? So you keep your thoughts private then and stop putting them into the way you vote for a person.

2785. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #192703 by Goldy on June 13, 2008 at 11:34 pm

I believe for any society to sustain, it must adhere to an accepted set of standards. The Christian standard is it.

That is because you have a Christocentric view. Your society has no place in a Muslim nation, a Hindu nation or a secular nation.

To Diacanu, you said

You are very offensive. I will not respond to you. But I will still be praying for your salvation.

The offence I can understand. But how offensive is it to pray for him without his permission? Does he want your prayers? You are imposing on his life - he only used bad language to you. Who then is the more offensive?

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Comment #192701 by Goldy on June 13, 2008 at 11:29 pm

First of all, there is no need for this language. Second, I told you no such thing. Your lack of confidence in your stand put you on the defense right away.

English? Or the swearwords? They are all from God - apparently.
Secondly, you did - your language did.
My confidence in you is severely shaken - you are on, after all, that would see my civilisation terminated.

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Comment #192698 by Goldy on June 13, 2008 at 11:25 pm

What do you believe should be the standards we have as a society?

Have you come across the Iranian laws? Just saying because
a) it was on the BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/documentaries/2008/06/080605_mon_doc_wk24_leila.shtml
b) you want a theocracy

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Comment #192696 by Goldy on June 13, 2008 at 11:21 pm

Why are your responses so predictable?

Probably because yor entry is the same. You come in, spout a few extracts from some book, tell us we're fucked ad then say you'll pray for us.
What did you expect?

2789. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #192651 by Goldy on June 13, 2008 at 8:06 pm

Virus are not cells, just bits of protein.

Pedantically speaking, more like DNA or RNA wrapped up in a protein coat...like a chocolate truffle :-)

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Comment #192636 by Goldy on June 13, 2008 at 6:38 pm

From RtG

Please let me give you some advice.

A bunch of Paul's spin doctoring masquerading as Jesus' words then

Stop engaging them

Sound advice! Mind you, a bloody long winded way of saying "Fuck off!", methinks.

I lift you up and will continue to pray for Jesus, to reveal himself to you

Hope you are strong. By the way, Jesus is dead - nailed to a tree, by all accounts. I have nothing to ask forgiveness for and need no salvation. Thanks for the offer, but not wanted.
I, on the other hand, shall continue to provide what knowledge and skills I have to find cures for diseases which prayer just won't cure. You are most welcome to use the fruits of my labour - just say thanks when you get better - not to your god but to people like me and to people like the doctors that cure you.
As this shows...

If one is so confident and positive of their knowledge, they would not feel so threatened.

..you have no idea at all about people. The word you were looking for was frustrated. And incredulous.
Now, fuck off unless you have something decent to say. We also know more about your mythology than you'll ever, ever know :-) Careful when quoting it...

What is it about God that makes him want the terminally stupid??

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Comment #192600 by Goldy on June 13, 2008 at 2:15 pm

I think you misunderstood. I don't think that replication errors produces animals of any sort. That is your theory. You still don't seem to be in touch with the facts about mutations.

Heheheheheheheh! The idiot tells me I don't understand! Priceless!
It isn't my theory, it is the theory of evolution. Verily you are amazing!

I assume you are referring to "junk DNA". If that is the case, I'm afraid you are out of date.

No. I assume you just have no research to fall on.

Of course they do. Unbroken bends in sedimentary rock show that the deformation happened quickly while the sediments were still soft.

Snigger, chortle....

So these are how sedimentary layers are formed? Which one of the things you list here preserves the fossils, like the T rex we've been discussing? Do you suppose it fell down and a continent ran over it?

Waaaahahahahahahaha! Priceless, truly priceless! Oh, what, you know what really happened? What's that? Oh, a global flood, was it?? Which...who? God?? God sent it?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Man, how deep can one plumb the depths of stupidity?

Well, it seems to me that if very bright, educated and funded mortal men can't make life, or even supposed precursors of life as we know it, chances are like really slim that it formed on an accidental basis.

Conjecture on your part, eh? You have nothing to show life as we know it has not been made - as your research has been shown to be incredibly lacking, you can't say that for sure, can you. And given your propensity to ignore completely anything that you don't like, I can also safely say if you have read it, you'll not admit it.

That's what I meant when I noted they didn't reference mutations in the quote.

Takes a complete idiot to miss it!
Oh dear, so much ignorance so fiercely guarded with such pride! How do you get through each day??

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Comment #192359 by Goldy on June 12, 2008 at 9:17 pm

I think you are failing to recognize that outlawing guns in America will only leave guns in the hands of those who shouldn't have them in the first place

I belive this is what happened in the UK after Dunblane.
Odd, eh, how criminals never seem to follow the laws in great detail...

2793. Report: Troubling texts at Va. Islamic school

Comment #192346 by Goldy on June 12, 2008 at 8:03 pm

Interesting facts Goldy...

An absolute wealth of information out there in the ol' interweb - shame so many refuse to use it, preferring some dusty old mythological compendium..
As an aside, I was always told the avo was Nature's butter. Surely that puts it in the dairy category... ;-)

2794. Report: Troubling texts at Va. Islamic school

Comment #192339 by Goldy on June 12, 2008 at 7:46 pm

Buddhists can be just as violent as anyone

Ask any southern Thai muslim minority. Though a lot of the media focus is on the separatists who kill Buddhists there.
I also remember there being a god of war in Buddhism. Edit - and the military junta in Burma is Buddhist...nominally...
And, if Xinhua is to be believed, there were reports of Tibetan Buddhist suicide squads...

2795. Report: Troubling texts at Va. Islamic school

Comment #192338 by Goldy on June 12, 2008 at 7:42 pm

But then the whole point is that most Christians are not fundies

If you ask me, most Christians aren't even Christian....at least the ones I know :-)

2796. Report: Troubling texts at Va. Islamic school

Comment #192334 by Goldy on June 12, 2008 at 7:40 pm

But tomatoes and avacados are also considered a fruit even though it's not something that you would generally associate to the fruit group?

Well, they are a fruiting body...and a carrot is also called a fruit by some (Wikipedia lists it under "simple fruit") though trust me I can't ever see it as one myself!
All to do with definition, which is a man-made construct. Buddhism can be thought of as a school of philosophical thought or as a religion. I dare say all the Buddhists I know see it as their religion rather than them seeing themselves as deep thinkers.
I think a better analogy would be the po-tay-to/po-tah-to thing - both slightly different takes on the same thing :-)
Buddhism, as I far as I can see, is a religion both devoid of and full of gods. All depends how you want to follow it, I guess...

2797. Report: Troubling texts at Va. Islamic school

Comment #192327 by Goldy on June 12, 2008 at 7:21 pm

Goldy...lol true but buddhism is hardly considered a "religion".

Ceremony, silly costumes, rules and regulations, mysticism, magic - yep, all there. It's a religion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist
Friday night at the pub, on the other hand, could be construed as less of a religion as a cultural construct. But don't tell that to the adherents ;-)

2798. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #192326 by Goldy on June 12, 2008 at 7:10 pm

More for txtpiper

Theory gives stronger roots to the tree of life

Phylogenetic trees are similar to family trees: The top of the tree represents earlier times; a point from which two lines diverge represents a common ancestor for two species; and for species diverging from a common ancestor, it makes no difference which is on the left and which is on the right. For example, the diagram at top left shows the pig developing at an earlier time than the monkey or the mouse, with the latter two sharing a more recent common ancestor. The diagram to its right shows that the mouse predates the monkey and the human, with the monkey and human having a common ancestor. The only diagram for all four species that can represent this is that shown at middle left. Using similar reasoning, the middle right and bottom diagrams can each be constructed from the preceding pair.
Biologists now have powerful newtools for reconstructing the tree of life, thanks to a novel mathematical theory for combining evolutionary relationships.

The theory has been developed by Marsden researchers Associate Professor Mike Steel and Dr Charles Semple at the University of Canterbury's Biomathematics Research Centre, together with mathematicians in Germany and Canada.

Their results describe how trees that show the evolution of groups of species can be combined into an evolutionary "supertree" for all the species under study. Until now only ad-hoc methods have been available for this problem.

The figure illustrates some of the main ideas. Each of the four trees at the top shows how groups of three present-day species are believed to have evolved from ancestral species. Each of these four trees is constructed by statistically analysing DNA sequences in each of the species and, from the differences, working out how long ago the species diverged.

Dr Semple said the big question was whether these trees could together form a supertree. And if so, did they fit together in just one way?

"In this example, the first two 3-species trees fit together in only one way they 'force' the 4-species tree in the middle left of the figure. That is, each of the first two trees 'sits inside' this larger tree, yet none of the other possible trees of these four species does this.

"Similarly the last two trees on the top layer force the 4-species tree in the middle-right. As for the two forced trees in the middle layer, these in turn force the 6-species supertree at the bottom. So this is the only tree (among 945 possibilities) that accommodates all the four trees at the top of the figure.

"If you believe those four 3-species trees are true, and the evolution of species is described by a tree, then you are forced to accept the 6-species tree," he said.

While this is just an example, the group has developed techniques for combining more complicated trees into supertrees.

"This has led to new techniques and results in a series of papers in mathematics, computer science and biology journals," Associate Professor Steel said.

"So while some biologists can build up an evolutionary tree for their particular favourite group, others can start to piece together these trees for different groups ofspecies, to gain a larger and more accurate picture of the way species evolved."

For further information, contact Associate Professor Mike Steel, Biomathematics Research Centre, University of Canterbury Tel: (03) 364 2987 ext 7688 Fax: (03) 364 2587 Email: m.steel@math.canterbury.ac.nz http://web.math.canterbury.ac.nz/~mathmas/ Address: Private Bag 4800, Christchurch

In http://www.rsnz.org/funding/marsden_fund/news15/index.php
Research is conituing. It appears to be getting more powerful than prayer. Of course, you'll not believe a single part of it - you know why I think that is so ;-)

2799. Richard Dawkins lecture at ASU's Tempe Campus

Comment #192310 by Goldy on June 12, 2008 at 6:29 pm

After the posts were removed, there are a series of Goldy saying: "Have a banana" "Have a banana", now that is funny

Damn! Now people will think I'm strange!!! Again, my attempts at building a serious persona are thwarted ;-)

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Comment #192308 by Goldy on June 12, 2008 at 6:20 pm

Something for txty
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/2000yearold-seed-grows-into-tree-of-life-for-scientists-846247.html
2000 year old seeds - and still viable.
Interesting line here...

...a preliminary genetic analysis has revealed it shares about half its DNA with three modern varieties of the date palm from Morocco, Egypt and Iraq.

Only half the DNA? But it is still a date palm...