Comments by steveroot

Comment #167245 by steveroot on April 23, 2008 at 7:12 pm

3573. Comment #167241 by Frankus1122 on April 23, 2008 at 7:02 pm
To be honest, I just got here after arriving home and started reading backwards (like that new clock I heard about! :-) ). I appreciate your input here immensely, and your style is more... er, consistent... yes, that's it... than the good Doc, who can go from "Miss Manners" to making Billy Sands or Diacanu blush in a New York Minute. Y'all keep up the good work. Srsly.
Ste5e

O, hai. Wil ur prairz b grnated? No wai, Jesai.

252. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #167240 by steveroot on April 23, 2008 at 6:56 pm

3571. Comment #167238 by Dr Benway on April 23, 2008 at 6:48 pm

A tip o' the hat for that succinct list. If Rem-brandt can't grasp those four tests, he's in *real* trouble.;-)
Ste5e

253. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #166913 by steveroot on April 23, 2008 at 1:39 pm

3324. Comment #166290 by phasmagigas on April 23, 2008 at 5:08 am

I go into a lottery kiosk and say 'hey i got some winning numbers, i won $100'.

the guy says 'ok, lets see the ticket'.

I say 'what! im saying i won $100, i want it'

guy says 'you need the ticket as proof'

I say 'pha, prove that i dont have the ticket!!!'

Wait. Remnant: try *this* way:

I go into a lottery kiosk and say 'hey i don't got some winning numbers, i don't get $100'.

the guy says 'ok, lets see the ticket'.

I say 'what! im saying i didn't won $100, i don't have ticket'

guy says 'you need the ticket as proof'

I say 'pha, prove that i dont have the ticket!!!'
Does that help? ;-)
Ste5e

254. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #166143 by steveroot on April 22, 2008 at 8:01 pm

3288. Comment #166140 by gr8hands on April 22, 2008 at 7:44 pm
It's late for one who has students in early classes -- this time it's software training.

I hope they pass after they sleep. WTF?? ;-)
Ste5e

255. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #166129 by steveroot on April 22, 2008 at 7:18 pm

3265. Comment #166111 by Remnant on April 22, 2008 at 6:56 pm

As you fall asleep tonight, think about where you will spend eternity if God forbid, you should you pass in your sleep.

Since I have it on your authority that "god forbid" it, I won't worry about "passing" in my sleep. At my age, I worry more about pissing in my sleep. Can you put in a good word for me on that? My wife will appreciate it. ;-)
Ste5e

256. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #166124 by steveroot on April 22, 2008 at 7:11 pm

It almost seems like a permutation of Pascal's wager for you, Remnant. Spend some quality time on the Dawkins site; if you score a conversion, *BONUS*!! If not, what have you lost?

Sadly, in spite of all the reasonableness here, it's not your delusion.
Ste5e

257. Mecca should become core to measure time zones: scholars

Comment #165755 by steveroot on April 22, 2008 at 8:42 am

33. Comment #165253 by Peacebeuponme on April 21, 2008 at 9:07 am
We should all use the Turkmen days of the week as well...

Annabanana will like that! "T.G.I..." ;-)
Ste5e

258. Mecca should become core to measure time zones: scholars

Comment #165746 by steveroot on April 22, 2008 at 8:12 am

12. Comment #165192 by tieInterceptor on April 21, 2008 at 7:41 am
this is the clip I saw with a Muslim nut on TV saying that NASA saw energy coming out of mecca holding the world...
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NPww2q6-kfE

For any interested scientists, there are several easily-testable hypotheses stated in this clip. :-)

4. Comment #165181 by Quetzalcoatl on April 21, 2008 at 7:20 am

Two words. Flying. Horse.

and...

5. Comment #165182 by hungarianelephant on April 21, 2008 at 7:25 am
Five more words.

Sperm. Originates. In. The. Spine.

One more word. Irate, if you please ...

Guys. Puhleeze! I'm home sick and these two posts set off a paroxysm of coughing that lasted five minutes. I'm afraid to scroll down because Irate has probably posted my death warrant. ;-)

Addendum:

26. Comment #165218 by Barry Pearson on April 21, 2008 at 8:27 am

"Science in Islam: Mecca Time Must Replace Greenwich MT!"
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_N7t19hfeSE

Explains why so many people asphyxiate during MRI scans. Whew!

'Nother one: Thanks, Irate! I thought wasn't ever going to breathe again, but now I know it's the magnetic fields.

Ste5e

259. If God Is Dead, Who Gets His House?

Comment #165734 by steveroot on April 22, 2008 at 7:13 am

8. Comment #165616 by CruciFiction on April 21, 2008 at 10:15 pm

But for a real good time, check out this preacher in the Phillipines who says he knows for certain that:

"Atheists dead or alive will be cast into the lake of fire"

You only need to watch about one minute of it. Gee, he says *we* are insane. Have to think about that.
Ste5e

260. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #165719 by steveroot on April 22, 2008 at 5:36 am

3058. Comment #165383 by navyjake95 on April 21, 2008 at 12:27 pm

I grew up in a God-loving culture that doesn't believe in killing innocent babies or euthanizing the worthless.

Alfred E. Neumann said it best:
"What, My Lai?"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre

3081. Comment #165528 by Radesq on April 21, 2008 at 3:00 pm
navyjake95:

Stop talking tough or I'll post your senior drama club photo playing Kim from Miss Saigon.

Note to self: need more screen cleaner. :-)

On a personal "Lying for Jesus" note, yesterday outside the College of Dentistry I saw our local Jojoba's Witness lady (well-dressed, 60-something) trying to give a copy of Watchtower to a woman in a full burqa. Talk about inter-faith relations!
Ste5e

261. Sexpelled: No Intercourse Allowed

Comment #164130 by steveroot on April 19, 2008 at 3:33 pm

184. Comment #163380 by clearmind on April 18, 2008 at 9:08 am

Steverot sez: Storktard!

I wasn't actually addressing your holiness, but if the shoe fits... :-)

215. Comment #163675 by Frankus1122 on April 18, 2008 at 6:47 pm

Not nearly enough CAPS in that post, my friend!
Ste5e

262. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #163664 by steveroot on April 18, 2008 at 6:19 pm

2469. Comment #163619 by pacman71192 on April 18, 2008 at 4:10 pm
It's not religion. It's faith. Faith that is much bigger than I. I can't explain it, I can only live it. I am sorry that some of you find that offensive.

I don't think many here are actually offended by that. We just don't want your daydream shoved down our throats. Meanwhile, an explanation (read: "eveidence") would be swell, though.

You should have a chat with cieling cat about that anger management problem.
Cheers!
Ste5e

263. Fleabytes

Comment #163391 by steveroot on April 18, 2008 at 9:31 am

7703. Comment #162697 by Geoff on April 17, 2008 at 9:31 am

These people see it as god's plan that they (alone) survived the crash: wouldn't a better plan have prevented the crash altogether?

Here's a story from the Daily Herald from 4/14 bout a cardiac surgeon who got leukemia and is in remission. "God's will" apparently required the good doctor's suffering, and his family's anxiety, but also prevented him from treating the needy. Some loving god. I posted a response to the piece after a "believer" wrote in about how wonderful it all was.
Ste5e

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=172317

264. Sexpelled: No Intercourse Allowed

Comment #163369 by steveroot on April 18, 2008 at 8:46 am

161. Comment #163287 by epeeist on April 18, 2008 at 6:23 am
Folks - are we noticing a certain new lucidity in clearmind's posts?

Need any further proof of evolution?

163. Comment #163289 by Enge on April 18, 2008 at 6:34 am

I would also like to point out that the sex theory is not only full of holes. It is literally based on holes.

Ah, yes... those holes! :-)

When Pat Robertson started laughing at "no intelligence allowed" at the end of that video clip, I nearly became incontinent.
Ste5e

265. Sexpelled: No Intercourse Allowed

Comment #163364 by steveroot on April 18, 2008 at 8:41 am

117. Comment #163089 by Vaal on April 18, 2008 at 1:31 am
Stork me!

Storktard!
:-)
Ste5e

266. Sexpelled: No Intercourse Allowed

Comment #163019 by steveroot on April 17, 2008 at 8:37 pm

78. Comment #163006 by Partisan on April 17, 2008 at 8:01 pm

It wouldn't be a film with Ben Stein without a little good old-fashioned plagiarsing going on somewhere!

Ain't it the trooth.:-)

I must compliment you on your avatar. How do you get motion in them thar things? I want to make my pope guy play with a yo-yo. Is it hard?
kthxbai
Ste5e

267. Sexpelled: No Intercourse Allowed

Comment #163000 by steveroot on April 17, 2008 at 7:50 pm

Is it just me, or does anyone else recognize (at least some of) the stork sequences from "Dumbo"?
Ste5e

268. Victims: Pope Benedict Protects Accused Pedophile Bishops

Comment #162383 by steveroot on April 16, 2008 at 8:21 pm

25. Comment #161741 by Jolly Bloger on April 15, 2008 at 3:19 pm

The 'popo' line is an intentional reference to the term for police.

Our pediatrician, a woman from the Philippines, used "popo" as a word meaning "feces" when talking to our kids. It kinda fits.
Ste5e

269. Evolution fray attracts top scientist

Comment #162365 by steveroot on April 16, 2008 at 6:38 pm

45. Comment #162269 by Steve Zara on April 16, 2008 at 1:31 pm

I am over 40. Hence I have no idea of these "bot-nets" of which you write.

You should get out more, Slarti! :-)
Ste5e

270. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #162353 by steveroot on April 16, 2008 at 5:43 pm

1890. Comment #162128 by Steve Zara on April 16, 2008 at 7:57 am

Dr. B: "A kindly mentor, like mom, offers much praise and only muted criticism. It's rather nice when someone puts your artwork up on the fridge."

Dr. Z: "That seems particularly relevant considering the "fleabytes" music."

Steve, you beat me to it again. (Come to think of it, when did you *not* beat me to it?). I was going to say in hindsight the generation of all that music in such a short amount of time should have been a tip that something was up. Nice music, nonetheless. I enjoyed RM's comments as well. Hope he's happy.

OT: I was just in Vancouver and saw a store named "ZARA". I'm afraid I have to blow the whistle on you now. ;-) (If you want to see it, send me a PM)
Ste5e

271. School bars same-sex partners at formals

Comment #161631 by steveroot on April 15, 2008 at 1:12 pm

19. Comment #161508 by alexmzk on April 15, 2008 at 10:59 am

i believe what the Bible says is that gay couples should not sleep together. there is apparently no Biblical condemnation of dancing.

We're talking about "the dance with no steps" here. Everyone knows that. Jeez!
Ste5e

272. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #161608 by steveroot on April 15, 2008 at 12:55 pm

I think it was the doormouse. :-)
Ste5e

273. Richard Dawkins' secular army must be stopped. God is behind some of our greatest art

Comment #160943 by steveroot on April 14, 2008 at 3:09 pm

113. Comment #160506 by epeeist on April 14, 2008 at 7:03 am

There's also Bruckner's Tedeum if you like that sort of thing.

Don't you mean "Tedium"?
{gets coat}
Ste5e

274. Get out of here, atheists!

Comment #156438 by steveroot on April 7, 2008 at 2:50 pm

Nice to see my state in the spotlight!

Not. What a douchebag... and a democrat. WTF?
STe5e

275. Fleabytes

Comment #156114 by steveroot on April 6, 2008 at 7:54 pm

7688. Comment #156113 by Dr Benway on April 6, 2008 at 7:40 pm
I thought bullshit was the vaseline of social intercourse.

Yes, in polite bovine society. ;-)
Ste5e

276. Fleabytes

Comment #156112 by steveroot on April 6, 2008 at 7:38 pm

7686. Comment #156107 by Dr Benway on April 6, 2008 at 7:04 pm

On my little red flag list, I include "oddly unself-conscious hypocrisy."

"Hypocrisy is the vaseline of social intercourse."
Ste5e

277. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #156042 by steveroot on April 6, 2008 at 2:46 pm

607. Comment #155947 by sdbranum on April 6, 2008 at 12:01 pm

Well, let's see. Did you mean to say, "I guess intelligence is not something with which you are familiar"? If so, it appears I've a bit more familiarity with that concept than you.

Rats! Billy Sands beat me to it. Nevermind. Why don't you take those analytical grammar skills of yours and apply them to your favorite holy book?

639. Comment #156023 by markg on April 6, 2008 at 1:57 pm

If so you're pretty hot. If not, then go fuck off.

{spews afternoon coffee from nostrils}

Ste5e

278. Dawkins warns of human extinction

Comment #155378 by steveroot on April 4, 2008 at 12:04 pm

52. Comment #155211 by Artful_Dodger on April 4, 2008 at 8:34 am
But not all knowledge, like it or not, is in fact contained within the realm that is scientifically observable.

I don't think anyone here said it was. But most of us think we shouldn't abdicate our evolved intellect and curiosity by settling for "god did it".

64. Comment #155225 by al-rawandi on April 4, 2008 at 8:46 am

Excuse me, I mistook some post mortem twitching for argumentation.

"He's twitching because he's got my AXE embedded in his NERVOUS SYSTEM!" -Gimli Gloinsson
Ste5e

279. Dawkins warns of human extinction

Comment #155362 by steveroot on April 4, 2008 at 11:53 am

As I've just started this thread, I see a lot of catching up to do...

7. Comment #155125 by Steve Zara on April 4, 2008 at 7:30 am

Perhaps we should? It seems only fair. To maintain some kind of balance...

I'd say (being charitable) it takes at least 2 theists to carry as much weight as one atheist. Especially Dawkins.

33. Comment #155191 by Cartomancer on April 4, 2008 at 8:19 am
Is there some objective standard of appropriate praise and sentiments of appreciation for internet forums now then? When did gushing praise for people we respect and admire suddenly become a bad thing?

Monty Python had a very funny sketch where Eric Idle was introducing a speaker in the most obsequious way ("...someone whose boots I am not fit to lick...") and was interrupted by "He's not coming"; {/fawning}.

39. Comment #155198 by al-rawandi on April 4, 2008 at 8:25 am
I must pronounce time of death....
8:10 am.
Cause:
Pascal's Wager.
Someone drag the body down to the furnace.

You guys are the best. Is that sucking up too much? Tough.
Now to finish the thread...
Ste5e

280. BBC 'too scared to allow jokes about Islam'

Comment #154190 by steveroot on April 2, 2008 at 8:19 pm

17. Comment #154182 by prolibertas on April 2, 2008 at 8:03 pm
... like when you're talking about how hot you were after a run, (for example) you can say 'I was sweating like Mohammed at a pre-school!'

*cleans laptop screen... again*
Ste5e

281. Vatican: Islam surpasses Roman Catholicism as world's largest religion

Comment #153136 by steveroot on April 1, 2008 at 5:25 am

9. Comment #152906 by CruciFiction on March 31, 2008 at 5:30 pm
THERE IS "A NEW POPE"!

Shhhhh... don't tell anyone!

http://richarddawkins.net/article,2340,A-New-Pope,AdamBuxton
Ste5e

282. Beware the Believers

Comment #152354 by steveroot on March 30, 2008 at 7:30 pm

211. Comment #152142 by Richard Dawkins on March 30, 2008 at 8:58 am
1. What's a "grill" (as in the "hilarious" thing that Sam is said to have)?

Dang. Missed the opportunity to provide professional advice. Sigh. Here's another source, though!
http://www.billybobproducts.com/gold-grillz.html
Ste5e

283. Beware the Believers

Comment #152108 by steveroot on March 30, 2008 at 6:30 am

Dr. Benway,
As a physician, you will understand. Last night my family and I were watching "House, MD". It was a poingnant episode and babies were at death's door. I was browsing this thread and came to your post #180. That is why my family is leaving me.

Just kidding. But my lacrimal glands got a great workout. Thanks!
Ste5e

284. Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help

Comment #151097 by steveroot on March 28, 2008 at 6:47 am

194. Comment #150977 by secondsoprano on March 27, 2008 at 9:38 pm
"No prayer was involved according to many accounts."

Sure it was. Someone, somewhere prayed that god would cure their child of diabetes. Miraculously, some time later, some scientists discovered insulin. Hallelujah! Prayer works.

...If you have faith you will understand.

I have been blinded by satan. On my knees even as I type. ;-)
Ste5e

285. Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help

Comment #150913 by steveroot on March 27, 2008 at 3:35 pm

GRACE: Well, you -- don`t you see, Linda, you got an answer to your prayer?
Caller: Exactly, and that`s what I was going to say, the miracle these people were praying for is here, it`s called insulin.

The story of how insulin was discovered is an interesting one. No prayer was involved according to many accounts. The discovery was delayed, in spite of the knowledge that insulin was produced in the pancreas, by the presence of other products of the pancreas (proteolytic enzymes) which destroyed the insulin when the pancreas was made into an extract (great design for an organ, Mr. Deity!). Frederick Banting won the Nobel Prize for his work with Charles Best in the early part of the 20th century. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Banting
http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/1923/banting-bio.html
http://www.discoveryofinsulin.com/
Ste5e

286. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #150855 by steveroot on March 27, 2008 at 1:26 pm

355. Comment #150232 by Jon_Sociologist on March 26, 2008 at 3:44 pm

Very nice, logical treatment of those individual statements. Sadly, you are pissing up a wet rope.
Ste5e

287. Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help

Comment #150385 by steveroot on March 26, 2008 at 7:52 pm

The Lord fixed the front-end perfectly!

Hmmm... the lord must have taken auto shop in high school. Well, if tires, tie-rods and ball joints are all he can fix, he's not much of a lord. Let me see him service the fuel injectors on my Saab!
Ste5e

288. Sue Blackmore debates Alister McGrath

Comment #150358 by steveroot on March 26, 2008 at 7:03 pm

190. Comment #149468 by Dr Benway on March 25, 2008 at 4:34 pm
How about this: A Joyful Noise Unto the Lord

O noez; aparentlee Iz gottn Rick Roll'd. Srsly.

198. Comment #150331 by liddlefeesh on March 26, 2008 at 5:57 pm

I'm listening to McGrath and he's a very clear speaker. I understand every single word that comes out of his mouth, but I haven't got a friggin clue what he's saying. It appears to be "nothing".

Anyone else feel this way about McGrath?

What I would like to say is: yes.
Ste5e

289. Happy Birthday, Richard Dawkins!

Comment #150341 by steveroot on March 26, 2008 at 6:16 pm

240. Comment #150336 by k1mgy on March 26, 2008 at 6:06 pm
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Happy Birthday, Professor!

Wow! Elvish!
Thank Iluvatar!
Ste5e

290. Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help

Comment #150338 by steveroot on March 26, 2008 at 6:09 pm

126. Comment #150315 by FightingFalcon on March 26, 2008 at 5:27 pm
I don't know - for anti-government Libertarians like myself, I've always had a hard time with issues like these...
On the one hand a girl dies based on religious idiocy that deserves condemnation beyond what words can describe. On the other hand, the other option is the government interfering in our private homes and telling us what is and isn't acceptable.

This is one of the proper functions of government, in my opinion: to protect its citizens in dangerous circumstances. The extent of the involvement does not have to be so black and white; the issue here is providing appropriate care in a case where the consequences are, literally, life or death. The Terri Schiavo case was different, since she was, by all reasonable assessments, brain-dead (confirmed by subsequent autopsy). The government's involvement here was not about protecting a citizen, but political grandstanding and sucking up to the religious right.
Ste5e

Ah, I see DBA is back and OK!

291. Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help

Comment #150126 by steveroot on March 26, 2008 at 1:26 pm

100. Comment #150119 by Corylus on March 26, 2008 at 1:15 pm

They will be indescribably lonely.

Maybe not. Maybe they will continue to be deluded and try to live up to their (imaginary) god's expectations. Pathetic, but possible.

101. Comment #150123 by Prankster on March 26, 2008 at 1:20 pm

Truly depressing night on this thread-anyone heard from Double Bass Atheist-I know he was pissed off over this?

Hope he/she is ok?

He'll be OK.

Ste5e

292. Happy Birthday, Richard Dawkins!

Comment #150078 by steveroot on March 26, 2008 at 12:45 pm

"Today, Marth 26th, 2008, is Richard Dawkins' 67th birthday! Happy Birthday Richard!"
Best regards and sincere wishes for many more productive, purposeful and- let's be frank- entertaining years!

(Joth- Thorry to hear about the lithp.) :-)
Steve Weeks, DDS

293. Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help

Comment #150027 by steveroot on March 26, 2008 at 12:05 pm

53. Comment #149847 by Kubenzi on March 26, 2008 at 9:49 am
looks like the second link i posted has been cleared out by the site admin at "americaslastdays".

Too late: I saw it, as hopefully did many others. People that stupid should not be allowed to breed.
Ste5e

294. Wicked untruths from the Church

Comment #149871 by steveroot on March 26, 2008 at 10:05 am

17. Comment #149278 by ThoughtsonCommonToad on March 25, 2008 at 11:35 am

Is anyone else uneasy about number 2 "Creating a child with the correct tissue match to save a sick brother or sister." or is it just me?

This is a tricky one. There is an issue regarding "consent". If the sibling created for the tissue/body part declines to be the donor, what will be done? Since, almost by definition, the prospective donor would be a minor, the final decision would be made *for* him or her. Could there be legal action after the donor reaches the age of majority? ("I was forced... yada, yada, ... against my will... yada, yada, ... psychological damage... yada, yada....")
Thorns all around...
Ste5e

295. Gay scientists isolate Christian gene

Comment #149842 by steveroot on March 26, 2008 at 9:44 am

Now if they can find the gene that makes people muslims...
Ste5e

296. Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help

Comment #149840 by steveroot on March 26, 2008 at 9:41 am

37. Comment #149806 by Kubenzi on March 26, 2008 at 8:46 am

http://www.americaslastdays.com/?page=poetry-neumann

http://www.americaslastdays.com/_pf.php?page=theyshall-leilani

Barking, Bat-shit Madness.
Ste5e

297. Wicked untruths from the Church

Comment #149293 by steveroot on March 25, 2008 at 11:58 am

8. Comment #149214 by Double Bass Atheist on March 25, 2008 at 9:13 am

"If god doesn't like the way I live, Let him kill me, not you."
This is what you really mean!
Ste5e

298. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #149282 by steveroot on March 25, 2008 at 11:40 am

248. Comment #149138 by Dr Benway on March 25, 2008 at 7:04 am
The Stalin-Hitler argument is an appeal to my moral judgment. The person who says, "Stalin and Hitler were atheists" knows that I will agree with him in condemning the behavior of Stalin and Hitler. He therefore proves that a living atheist can share a sense of human solidarity that would prevent the the kind of ugly, brutal behavior of a Stalin or a Hitler.

And thus he shoots his own argument in the foot.

No... he's just going to say that you aren't really an atheist!

Just kidding- I liked your analysis.
Ste5e

299. Fleabytes

Comment #149176 by steveroot on March 25, 2008 at 8:21 am

6878. Comment #149051 by irate_atheist on March 25, 2008 at 3:54 am

You mean, er, I can't, you know?
Srsly?

Yes, you can. Coming from you, that is considered a courteous response. At least by me. (WGAFF?)
Ste5e

300. A Letter From Hell

Comment #148989 by steveroot on March 24, 2008 at 9:01 pm

576. Comment #148981 by RealChristianWoman on March 24, 2008 at 8:25 pm
This indicates communication is possible between Heaven and Hell.

Please, if you want to use the Bible 'against' Christians, do it right.

Wow, thanks for that news! It means I'll get to keep in touch with my friends while I'm getting my deep tan. Note to self: don't forget the Coppertone. :-)
Ste5e