301. When did the police start collaring television?

Comment #62972 by USA_Limey on August 12, 2007 at 5:25 pm

I am simply apoplectic about this.

As a British citizen living in the USA I do spend time now and then wagging my head in disbelief and some of the crazier antics of my American cousins, particularly their obsession with religion in politics. But they would be entirely justified to point and wag their fingers in return and this insanity and wonder just what is happening, as I do, to Britain. It seems this is further evidence of Britains inexorable slide into some bizarre suicide pact with political correctness and appeasement.

I am particularly acquainted with the area covered by the channel 4 dispatched program having completed my degree in Aston University in the early 90's. Even then their were virtual no go areas for non Muslims in certain parts of Birmingham, and acquaintances of mine in the area tell me the situation now is a virtually complete ghettoization; a country within a country in many cases. Whilst Britain as a whole may still be a largely tolerant country these ghettos of Islam are sink holes for oppression of women, homosexuals, and just about anyone else who doesn't 'submit to Allah'.

This really does make me weep for my native homeland, if only because I predict it will eventually lead to a rise of extremism at the other end of the scale; a development I would not enjoy seeing any more than the rise of Islamic extremism does; this may be a misguided effort to show that Islam is not being victimized and thus try to encourage moderates to effect change from within; but I fear it will only embolden the extremists. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

302. The Flea Circus Invites a Newcomer!

Comment #62630 by USA_Limey on August 10, 2007 at 1:17 pm

Comment #62613 by stevencarrwork wrote:

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2007/08/revising-revision-again.html

This needs to be a headline article so everyone can see it. I can't add anything better than that written by Northern Bright and _J_...

... stunned, just stunned.

303. Why Richard Dawkins is right on alternative medicine - but not when it comes to religion

Comment #62628 by USA_Limey on August 10, 2007 at 1:07 pm

Comment #62625 by Dr Benway wrote:

"The believers annoy me, but the pseudo-believers give me a nasty rash."

...my goodness Doc, that being the case then Dianelos must have given you an all over body rash for weeks. I hope you had a good cream for that!

:-)

304. Why Richard Dawkins is right on alternative medicine - but not when it comes to religion

Comment #62570 by USA_Limey on August 10, 2007 at 6:36 am

Comment #62547 by _J_ wrote:

"The threat has only gone out of Christianity in the same way that a vague reference to one's nuclear arsenal is less of a threat than placing one's hand on one's sword hilt."

... _J_, I just wanted to say, I liked that. I liked that alot.

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305. Why Richard Dawkins is right on alternative medicine - but not when it comes to religion

Comment #62543 by USA_Limey on August 10, 2007 at 4:15 am

I have GOT to stop reading these things in the morning before I am fully awake and whilst I am drinking my morning cofee!

Almost choked when I read this:

"Most importantly, religion - and certainly the established Judaeo-Christian idea of it - devotes itself principally to instructing its adherents in how to behave well in their dealings with others"

... Again another beautiful example of cherry picking the 'morality' of the holy texts and completely ignoring it's practice in the last two thousand years or more.

And I DID choke when I read this:

"but the modern Christian concept of Hell means little more than permanent separation from God: the notion of being tortured by sulphuric flames for eternity is as dead as Hieronymus Bosch."

... Oh really, please tell that to Untersturmfuhrer Ratzinger who recently reafirmed the existence of hell:

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21460090-2,00.html

Also, it shows an utter inability to look beyond his own social circle. Yes, I am sure in sleepy middle class white English suburbia where Lawson lives tea drinking Anglicans don't believe in hell all that much, but go to Catholic South America, or the USA, or just about anywhere else and it is a tradition that is alive and well.

Oh dear, off to work.

306. Another Flea is Born

Comment #62534 by USA_Limey on August 10, 2007 at 3:58 am

Comment #62424 by mlb1984 wrote:

"Is that Darwin at the top? I thought he was agnostic, not a "village atheist". "

... It's not Darwin it's Dan Dennett



:-)

307. Scarlet Letter Campaign Update: A Victory

Comment #62317 by USA_Limey on August 9, 2007 at 8:47 am

Comment by Yorker:

Oh dear... it's meant to be the eye of mordor from the The Lord of the Rings movies.

Have you done the Rorschach test recently?

:-P

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rorschach_inkblot_test


Sane1:

Lol, that's exactly the response I was fishing for! I consider myself duly slapped.

308. Scarlet Letter Campaign Update: A Victory

Comment #62305 by USA_Limey on August 9, 2007 at 8:11 am

Man, I am one cynical sarcastic Brit because I knew this was parody after the second paragraph.

I can't explain why, I just "felt it"

:-)

309. Fossils in Kenya Challenge Linear Evolution

Comment #62302 by USA_Limey on August 9, 2007 at 8:05 am

Yorker...

often wondered about your name, now your new avatar explains all and leaves no doubt!

Was once a not so good off spinner myself ;-)

310. Fossils in Kenya Challenge Linear Evolution

Comment #62260 by USA_Limey on August 9, 2007 at 6:50 am

Satan is confusing us yet again!

Thank goodness we know what really happened:

http://www.creationmuseum.org/

311. Richard Dawkins and Alister McGrath

Comment #61993 by USA_Limey on August 7, 2007 at 7:05 pm

Dianelos Georgoudis: "Fare well"

{ACTION: Disappears up own ass}

... Well, if this was a movie script it would go something like that.

312. Pentagon: Hold On, Christian Soldiers!

Comment #61920 by USA_Limey on August 7, 2007 at 11:51 am

I wonder how many closet atheists there are in the US Military.

In such a rigidly heirarchical structure with tight discipline and unit cohesion it must me so much harder to 'come out' than it is in mainstream US society, (which is hardly easy to begin with in many cases).

It's so ironic to me that those who led the American Revolution were on the whole a bunch of Deists who wanted nothing to do with the established church of England. What would good old George think of all these shennanigans?

313. Richard Dawkins and Alister McGrath

Comment #61901 by USA_Limey on August 7, 2007 at 10:28 am

It's been a few weeks since I stopped by so I thought I would pay a visit to the viewing gallery at the lunatic asylum.

I see you are all doing well and much as I left you.

Dianelos Georgoudis is still huddled in the corner rocking back and forth and denying objective reality; muttering to himself as he drools.

Out of compassion, and just a little ghoulish fascination, Dr Benway, Lauregon, Steve99, _J_ , Downunder, BMMCardle, and others have left the gallery and are sat on stools around Dianelos Georgoudis, listening intently to every word muttered.

You might almost think they sit in hope that if they wait long enough something intelligible will come from some last un spoilt corner of Dianelos Georgoudis brain.

They each take their turn with a little speech therapy and try and reach through the wrecked mind that causes Dianelos Georgoudis to speak but it only seems to make matters worse.

Any more of this and I'll be returning with Thorazine and the electro shock therapy equipment. It won't be for Dianelos Georgoudis.

:-)

314. God in the Military - The Pentagon and its Christian Embassy

Comment #61889 by USA_Limey on August 7, 2007 at 10:03 am

Robert S and J.C. Samuelson

Agreed, the amendment to the constitution limiting terms makes it less likely than the "Roosevelt scenario" I floated; but is it possible?

Given enough public histeria and panic over a second and bigger terrorist attack, (biological / chemical / nuke?), I can see a situation developing where Bush could end up with a third term. I am not saying LIKELY; so please don't misunderstand me; I am just saying possible.

Just a scary thought for a Tuesday afternoon!

:-)

315. God in the Military - The Pentagon and its Christian Embassy

Comment #61879 by USA_Limey on August 7, 2007 at 9:02 am

Comment #61870 by BigJohn wrote:

"I suspect that death will come in 2008 when George W. Bush will not relinquish the Presidency by claiming that he was appointed by God"

... Big John, I don't know how serious you were this comment but I will say I don't entirely disagree with it. When asked in conversation who I think will be the next president I sometimes mischievously respond George Bush. But it could happen. There are historical precedents for a third term president; Roosevelt ran for a third tem because he was in the middle of World War Two. Now imagine a scenario where there is a major terrorist attack on the USA just before the presidential election. Is it possible Bush might invoke national security and run for a third term giving similar reasons to those Roosevelt gave? This isn't as nuts as it sounds.

At any rate I intend putting a small bet with good odds on that very eventuality


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316. Interview about the Root of All Evil? Documentary

Comment #61748 by USA_Limey on August 6, 2007 at 5:42 pm

Searching through the archives I found this posted back in may last year

strange this is the first post on it!

317. Leading Article: Divine inspiration

Comment #61659 by USA_Limey on August 6, 2007 at 7:21 am

I have followed, and for a period was actively involved in, British politics all my adult life and religion was never, not once, an issue in my experience.

It's just a non subject for the vast majority of politicians and voters; even religious voters. It seems ironic that a nation with an officially established church is far closer to the ideal of the 'separation' of church and state, (ie government and politics), than the most optimistic dream of the ACLU could ever be.

I've often thought having lived for a number of years in the USA now that the ACLU and others who fight to keep religion out of schools and other institutions in America are actually creating the opposite of their stated intent. I could say more on this but it's off topic so I'll respect the thread.

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318. Could these books be part of the problem?

Comment #61637 by USA_Limey on August 6, 2007 at 3:55 am

DNAtheist, your avatar would make a great T-Shirt!

Maybe even better with just the red "A" and the rest of the word missing.

319. The Out Campaign

Comment #59914 by USA_Limey on July 31, 2007 at 4:47 am

Comment #59814 by Yorker wrote:


"I had another more serious run in with religites in the USA but that's another story that I won't bore you with just now."

Oh come on, don't leave us hanging like that, I enjoyed reading the first story lets have the other!

:-)

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320. The Out Campaign

Comment #59798 by USA_Limey on July 30, 2007 at 4:59 pm

Ok, that's it: time to put up or shut up. I have been toying with the idea for around a year now of trying to start up some kind of atheist/humanist group in my own patch, (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania), but have kept coming up with excuses not to.

My pledge: I will now try to do so.

Oh and I'll get a T-shirt.

First step: anyone on this site in my neck of the woods who'd be interested in exchanging ideas?

USA_Limey

aka Ian the ex pat Brit in Pittsburgh, PA

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321. Don't eat at the Outback Steakhouse on Route 3...

Comment #59138 by USA_Limey on July 27, 2007 at 2:12 pm

Why would I burn the bible?

I'd have to start paying for something to wipe my ass with instead of letting the Gideons pay for it.

Cheers all.

322. Richard Dawkins and Alister McGrath

Comment #58286 by USA_Limey on July 24, 2007 at 8:46 am

1604. Comment #58043 by bouwe wrote:

"He is happily hammering away on the second floor of his Jesus-Jerry-built House of Faith, whistling so loud as to drown out the warnings of building inspectors Dr.Benway, Steve99 and _J_ ...something about the foundations being laid on sand.
"

... Great post, I loved the imagery here! Though I would suggest that Dianelos is way past the second floor; infact may I suggest the imagery of a castle and not a house: he has raised his motte, built the keep, thrown up his bailey and outer wall and is now digging the moat.

He expects this will fully protect him from all external assaults; only a long a protracted seige will eventually starve him out!

:-)

Anyone not familiar with the terminology and who cares can go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey

323. All the mistakes of the godly are merely metaphor

Comment #57453 by USA_Limey on July 19, 2007 at 11:57 am

5. Comment #57449 by Rtambree wrote:

"gay marriage, public nudity, global egalitarianism relative to today, 20 hour or less working weeks, longevity research, internet-based democratic voting on regular issues, a working global government and a transcendence of nationalism, vegetarianism, legality of any adult sexual relations e.g. incest, polygamy, etc, decriminalisation of drug addiction"


... That's a weeks vacation in San Francisco.

324. Town Hall Seattle: God Is Not Great

Comment #57452 by USA_Limey on July 19, 2007 at 11:51 am

Reference: 50. Comment #57436 by dgr8test97

dgr8test97, is English a second language for you?

I just want to give you the benefit of the doubt before I say anything harsh.

325. Town Hall Seattle: God Is Not Great

Comment #57391 by USA_Limey on July 19, 2007 at 6:08 am

DNAtheist...

Thanks mate, now you have totally runied my concentration for the rest of the day at work.

Curse you god, for making me a male....

326. Interview with Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Comment #57256 by USA_Limey on July 18, 2007 at 5:04 pm

Reference Comment #57231 by ungodlystheist

Yes Ungodly I did write this:

"And another point... quit whining. You don't like your country the way it is get out your guns and have yourself another revolution / civil war. Every country should clear the decks every couple hundred years maybe the USA needs a push of the old re-set button eh?"

I am not running away from it. I concede I was not plain enough in imparting my meaning; you seem to have taken it rather literally as a defense of war as a desirable act every bi-century. No - you infer too much, I was specifically talking bout the USA, (it's roughly two hundred years old since the revolution) and that if you didn't like your country so much maybe it's time for another one. It was largely a tongue in cheek comment but misunderstanding of meaning should always be the writers fault not the reader I believe.

The serious point is war has time and time again effected pivotal change in recorded human history. Do you deny this? I still maintain that your simplistic view that anything else but a blanket condemnation of war is veering toward fascist views is just wrong.

327. Interview with Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Comment #57252 by USA_Limey on July 18, 2007 at 4:48 pm

164. Comment #57212 by PeterK wrote:

"The fact that Ali is a woman has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on my attack"

... No of course, that's why in your second post you wrote:.

"...If anything, it would be played down, HUN-BUN (my emphasis)"

And then:

"Well geez, n-o-o-o-o- kidding, but this is a 'yes-no' question, DEARIE (my emphasis)"

Unless you are in the habit of addressing men as well as women Hun bun and Dearie then you were in fact making it gender specific in a very condescending way. In your defense though this was no doubt subconscious and you are not aware of your misogyny and fear of women.

I prescribe two doses of Freud and off to bed. No dreaming about your mother.

328. Interview with Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Comment #57205 by USA_Limey on July 18, 2007 at 2:34 pm

Comment #57155 by ungodlystheist wrote:

"Your words do not merely suggest a belief in the value of war as a way of rejuvenating society, they actually say it.

That is a fascist belief and value"

I do not accept that a belief in the value of war is a fascist value. You need to demonstrate that this opinion has some merit rather than just state it as accepted fact.

Then maybe we can get somewhere.

329. Interview with Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Comment #57203 by USA_Limey on July 18, 2007 at 2:29 pm

PeterK,

Really why do hate this women so much?

330. Town Hall Seattle: God Is Not Great

Comment #57187 by USA_Limey on July 18, 2007 at 1:54 pm

Regarding the enema,

haven't seen the vid yet: but was this about Falwell?

If so, he said when Falwell died if you gave him an enema you could bury him in a match box. He said this in a number of interviews after his death, (which could not have come at a better time for Hitch and his book sales!)

331. Richard Dawkins and Alister McGrath

Comment #57175 by USA_Limey on July 18, 2007 at 1:08 pm

_J_


Go back to work, Don't make us get medieval on your ass.

(That's only funny if you know Pulp Fiction pretty well; otherwise, I just came off sounding frighteningly weird. I don't care I like Pulp Fiction and I demand the right to paraphrase it)

332. Town Hall Seattle: God Is Not Great

Comment #57173 by USA_Limey on July 18, 2007 at 1:03 pm

Can't watch this at work but looking forward to it when I get home.

Can't wait for:

"Religion is from the infancy of our species"

and

"Our prefontal lobes are too small and our adrenalin glands too big"

and other favourites.


Shit, I really am a groupie aren't I?

333. Interview with Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Comment #57137 by USA_Limey on July 18, 2007 at 11:07 am

142. Comment #57124 by ungodlystheist wrote:

"But it suggests you believe in the value of war - fascism is a growing trend amongst many different groups"


... I wouldn't want to misinterpret you so I'll make sure I have understood that. Are you saying anyone who believes in the value of war, (which is a dramatic and biased way of saying use of force), is a fascist?

I just want to make sure that is the premise upon which you have just accused me of being a fascist. Which I think is what you did.

I think accusing someone of being a fascist is something that a serious person should only do after careful thought and consideration. It is not an accusation that should be thrown around glibly even on a website forum.

A first year college student going on an anti war demo might be forgiven such insulting naivety. Rather than react emotionally I am going to give you an opportunity to retract that.

I'll ask you outright. Are you, or are you not accusing me of being a fascist?

334. Richard Dawkins and Alister McGrath

Comment #57108 by USA_Limey on July 18, 2007 at 9:46 am

1472. Comment #57101 by SharonMcT wrote:

"At the end of the day, there is nothing new here"

..... Yes! Another convert.

Oh wait, sorry Sharon I think you came in kinda on my side anyway. (I think)

If I can ONLY convince Steve99 and _J_ and Doc Benway and Epeeist to let this thread die, (we came so CLOSE), I will be a happy man.


... Ah only kidding guys I've learnt more reading this thread than you'll know.

However I have also had much personal opinion about theists solidly confirmed!

Onwards Ho!

335. Interview with Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Comment #57102 by USA_Limey on July 18, 2007 at 9:38 am

Reference comment 124 by ungodlystheist.

... AGAIN. It was ten frickin minute interview. in one part of that ten minute interview she made a comment that was yes, a bit simplistic.

I have no doubts she would acknowledge that. But her basic points are sound.

And another point... quit whining. You don't like your country the way it is get out your guns and have yourself another revolution / civil war. Every country should clear the decks every couple hundred years maybe the USA needs a push of the old re-set button eh?

336. Richard Dawkins and Alister McGrath

Comment #57097 by USA_Limey on July 18, 2007 at 9:31 am

Reference comment 1469 by _J_

Groovy man!

(is just me it's sending into a psychedelic trance on account of how it looks on my screen)

:-)

337. Interview with Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Comment #57095 by USA_Limey on July 18, 2007 at 9:24 am

118. Comment #57089 by phasmagigas

... Yes, well said phasmagigas. That really is the core of the issue is it not.

Earlier critics of this brave women on such trifling points as her possibly naive view of American democracy should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.

When did YOU last put your life on the line for anything. I never have; so from that perspective I do not see myself as worthy to lick her boots

338. Interview with Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Comment #57093 by USA_Limey on July 18, 2007 at 9:16 am

PeterK where are you?

It's been a while, I never got a response to my last comment.

I can only hope you re-read your own bile and went away thouroughly ashamed of yourself.

That's the thing about forums; you never know when someone drops off if it's because they went to bed or went to lunch or just realised they were wrong and didn't have the guts to say so.

339. Interview with Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Comment #57072 by USA_Limey on July 18, 2007 at 8:41 am

Comment #57064 by Rtambree wrote:

"So you'll join me then in condemning these counter-productive right-wing policies that have led to increased radical Islam?"

... yes I will join you in condemning them as currently applied.

"Why was western policy in Germany/Japan a success whereas now it's a disaster and making things worse?"

... THAT is a superb question. As an avid amateur military historian I have my views but they would probably be a bore on this site. You obviously take a politcal view on the matter. I do not; so when I say part of it is because the will to use overwhelming force once existed but no longer does you should NOT take it as my advocating such force.

For me it's and interesting academic, 'compare and contrast' exercise.

But I guarantee you if the Americans nuked Mecca in a hundred years no one would care.

Ultimately might can very much be right.

Perhaps if the West will not use their might, then ultimately they are not right?

Again, I advocate no position either way.

340. Interview with Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Comment #57059 by USA_Limey on July 18, 2007 at 8:16 am

Rtambree...

You counter points I didn't make.

I am merely pointing out the obviously flaw in your position that violence is never the answer.

But now I will humour YOU. Instead of Nazi Germany I could have used Imperial Japan.

NO TRADITION of democracy.

HUNDREDS of years of miltaristc Shintoism around the god head figure of the emperor.

All swept away with the same treatment we gave the Germans.

341. Interview with Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Comment #57049 by USA_Limey on July 18, 2007 at 8:03 am

Comment #57040 by PeterK wrote:

"He in fact demonstrated remarkable restraint throughout, because if I were him, I would have ripped her face off earlier, more often and with way more teeth."

... You are disgusting.

Unfortunately I am not able to discern any more about your motives for such vitriol other than your own words; but it would be fascinating to learn more about why you have such problems with this woman.

Thia was a ten minute interview for goodness sake. You crucify her for making some simplistic points but that's all the forum given her allowed.

Think more deeply about the wider issues and you might get the point.

As of right now I am left with a queasy feeling that you just don't like strong independent minded women who won't submit to the boot heel of male oppression in whatever form it takes. Of course I have no evidence for this. But again, all I have to go on are your words.

342. Interview with Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Comment #57042 by USA_Limey on July 18, 2007 at 7:54 am

Comment #57034 by Rtambree wrote:

"The most effective proven way to INCREASE radical fundamentalism is to employ violence against them, impoverish them, invade them, marginalise them."

... Sometimes yes, but sometimes no. You accuse others of not knowing their history; lets refresh yours....

We employed horrific violence on the scale of mass firebombings, invasion, terrible marginalisation and impoverishment of Nazi Germany.

Now Germany is a peacful, prosperous and democratic nation. And all in ONE generation.

If General Patton had been listened to in 1945 we could have kept rolling all the way to Moscow, and saved the Eastern Bloc the continued horrors of Stalin and communism.

Just saying... I am probably just a nut to you though right?

343. Interview with Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Comment #57035 by USA_Limey on July 18, 2007 at 7:41 am

As an aside, I find the several previous posts an interesting example of how atheists will never be as coherrent a political force / lobby group as say the Jewish lobby or the Christian coalition or any other group for that matter.

All that unites us on this site is our astheism. Other than we are politically a very diverse bunch.

That's not necessarily a bad thing in my opinion.



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344. Interview with Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Comment #57020 by USA_Limey on July 18, 2007 at 7:07 am

Comment #57017 by Henri Bergson wrote:

"As I write this, something happens:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6904622.stm"


... It's encouraging they sent these guys to jail.

Perhaps my country of birth has retained a bit of spine after all and is not yet completely paralyzed by political correctness and an overly slavish adherence to 'freedom of speech'

345. Interview with Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Comment #56987 by USA_Limey on July 18, 2007 at 4:09 am

Comment #56970 by Crono454 wrote:

"I wouldn't see Mexican immigrants struggling and writhing in 110 degree heat here in Phoenix everyday if you could just work hard and become very wealthy"

Would they be legal or illegal Mexican 'immigrants' Crono? Sorry you don't say.

And of course not everyone in America can become rich; but everyone can at least take a shot at it, (if being rich is what they consider important). Her point is that it is simply impossible for people, (read women in particular) in countries that are much more oppressive to attain any level of freedom.

346. Interview with Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Comment #56985 by USA_Limey on July 18, 2007 at 4:00 am

46. Comment #56934 by PeterK wrote:

"She's a snooty moron."


I can only assume you are being deliberately and disingenuously provocative to elicit a response with that statement.


The alternative is that you are a moron.


Still, if you'd like to expand on your point I'd be interested to see how you think you could defend it.

347. An Atheist Responds

Comment #56801 by USA_Limey on July 17, 2007 at 9:45 am

Comment #56578 by darwin2 wrote:

" If there is an afterlife and I believe there is, I believe these critical thinking skills will continue but at a much higher level and the universe will be ours to explore AND CONQUER (my emphasis)."

_____________________________________________

Well well, I think we finally have you pegged.

Got your shield with the big red cross on it yet?

348. Richard Dawkins and Alister McGrath

Comment #56800 by USA_Limey on July 17, 2007 at 9:32 am

Comment #56791 by Elli on July 17, 2007 wrote:

"Can someone let me know if it is worth my time to go and read it all..."
________________________________________________

Elli, my bits are worth reading, all the rest is crap.

:-)

Now THAT is hubris and solipsism worthy of any theist!

349. Believing the Unbelievable: The Clash Between Faith and Reason in the Modern World

Comment #56115 by USA_Limey on July 13, 2007 at 8:48 pm

Comment #56102 by Rtambree wrote:

"With webcasting allowing one to bypass mainstream media and with the enormous carbon footprint"

... I'll apologize in advance because I have had a few beers but....

CARBON FOOTPRINT MY ASS!

350. Christians disrupt Hindu Prayer at Senate Invocation

Comment #56054 by USA_Limey on July 13, 2007 at 2:47 pm

These fools need to read a history book or two.

Most of their revered founding fathers were Deists; and quite a few of them were openly hostile to christianity.

Still, as an atheist I must be consistent, I don't want a Hindu making appeals to his mythical non existent god in the senate anymore than i do christians to theirs.

As for Harry Reid, member of the worlds fastest growing cult, he can take this nonsense and shove it.