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Comment #130581 by D'Arcy on February 21, 2008 at 12:37 am
Thanks to BillySands for the link to the Telegrapgh article re Robertson's plea for the Wee Free to lighten up and experience "serious joy". It wasn't the article that I read, but the gist was the same.
Robertson obviously has quite a battle on his hands. From the linked article:
One reader wrote to cancel his subscription and accused Mr Robertson of "endorsing witchcraft".
352. Fleabytes
Comment #130417 by D'Arcy on February 20, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Some of us have a limited amount of time, and so far I have only got to part 4. But I have read all of the comments so far.
Paula has done a lot of work in her fleadom fighting exercise, and rather her than me. We should all be aware that David Robertson (The Wee Flea) is now banished from this site by Josh, although he appeared again briefly under another name, and was again banished.
My own view was that whilst we don't want time wasters, that his contributions weren't that bad to deserve being banished, but then I haven't read all his comments only several of them. Let's just say the milk of human kindness or the "grace of God" was not to be found in the ones that I read.
In the interests of fairness and of hearing the voices of those that disagree with the majority viewpoint here, I feel that Josh should e-mail Robertson and invite his response to this review. I'm sure Josh can limit the great man's contributions to just this thread if Josh feels that he is such a problem everywhere else on this site.
Incidentally, last year Robertson was quoted in a British paper (sorry no source or date, but I did read it!), whilst on a visit to the Hebrides, as saying that the Free Church of Scotland (Wee Free) should basically lighten up a bit as it appeared too devout to outsiders.
What Robertson thinks about the Plymouth Sect can probably be found on anger management courses.
353. The argument from oranges
Comment #128991 by D'Arcy on February 18, 2008 at 12:33 pm
If memory serves, Florida was the crucial state in the 2000 presidential election, with George Bush's brother as governor. Whether Al Gore would have made a better president is really conjecture. The fact that Bush pipped Gore to the presidency didn't a peel to many. "If you don't like it go suck a lemon", is an expression that might be a sour joke.
What is not a joke is the scientific theory of evolution, which is best available explanation for what we see in biology. I have no problem with being related to oranges. If you eat your relations is that cannibalism? Guilty as charged!
354. Archbishop's 8 March centennial message: Let Sharia Law govern women's lives, Amen!
Comment #128627 by D'Arcy on February 17, 2008 at 1:23 pm
If one accepts the role of Islam and Islamic laws in one community, by the same token, they should accept the role of Christianity and the Church of England in the larger community. His defence of Sharia Law is a clever step towards revitalizing the role of Church in the wider society.
355. Study: Religion colors Americans' views of nanotechnology
Comment #128620 by D'Arcy on February 17, 2008 at 1:01 pm
But every single new technology cannot constitute the end of the world. The world only gets to end once.
356. The Search for Truth, God and Braver Scientists in 'Expelled'
Comment #128574 by D'Arcy on February 17, 2008 at 12:13 pm
As usual with these religios we get intelligent sounding questions "how did the cell get to be so complicated?", posed as unanswerables. If it can't be answered therefore seek divine explanation. Same for origin of life. Same for "fine tuning" of nature's constants. Same for Earth orbiting in the "Goldilocks zone" around the sun(i.e. not too hot nor too cold).
It really is lazy thinking to suppose that answers can never be given, but then a fool can ask more questions in 5 minutes than a wise man can answer in 7 years (lifetime?).
The annoying thing is that people like Stein, if they actually believed what they are saying, face eternal punishment for lying about evolution. I suspect they don't actually believe at all but are just cynically playing the "religion" card.
357. The argument from oranges
Comment #128551 by D'Arcy on February 17, 2008 at 11:15 am
I notice that towards the end of Mr. Ellis' remarks, and just around the time of the collision between the garbage and chicken trucks, there was a flurry of "gene pool"s, "evolution", and "big bang". I suppose he was decent or ignorant enough to leave out "mutation".
The fact that this otherwise articulate person, could not be bothered to find out what evolution actually is about is so sad. In his defence he at least quoted (I haven't checked the quote), from Darwin in saying that all livings things are related.
To lump in the Big Bang idea of cosmology with evolution is a typical tactic of YECs. They just don't know any better.
Instead of referring to chickens and eggs, I would like to ask Mr. Ellis "Which came first, the creator or the creator's eggs?"
358. Dumb and Dumber: Are Americans Hostile to Knowledge?
Comment #128535 by D'Arcy on February 17, 2008 at 10:25 am
jonkull says:
Then there are the people that simply have no interest and never leave the town they were born in...at all...ever. That to me is pretty sad. I don't understand these people.
359. Dumb and Dumber: Are Americans Hostile to Knowledge?
Comment #127580 by D'Arcy on February 15, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Furthermore, I think "openness for everything true" somehow excludes "reverance for god"...
360. Why Darwin matters
Comment #127536 by D'Arcy on February 15, 2008 at 11:35 am
(How do I quote comments? :-P )
361. Debate between Richard Dawkins and Madeline Bunting
Comment #127459 by D'Arcy on February 15, 2008 at 10:08 am
Hang out the Bunting. Really she had nothing to say of any significance. To her there are so many levels of "truth", that simplicity insults her intellect. E.g. stony silence when asked if she believed in the virgin birth.
Richard was right when he said that she was interested in human beings, but that he was interested in the truth. Being an intellectual, Bunting may not agree with everything the Pope says, but by the constraints of her own faith she is bound by papal proclamations. Non believers have no such constraints, we assess the evidence, then decide.
Whilst my avatar is similar to FSM Teapot's (26 above), and I agree with the comments he/she posted, I must point out that I am indeed a different person.
362. Debate between Richard Dawkins and Madeline Bunting
Comment #126998 by D'Arcy on February 14, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Hang out the Bunting. Really she had nothing to say of any significance. To her there are so many levels of "truth", that simplicity insults her intellect. E.g. stony silence when asked if she believed in the virgin birth.
Richard was right when he said that she was interested in human beings, but that he was interested in the truth. Being an intellectual, Bunting may not agree with everything the Pope says, but by the constraints of her own faith she is bound by papal proclamations. Non believers have no such constraints, we assess the evidence, then decide.
Whilst my avatar is similar to FSM Teapot's (26 above), and I agree with the comments he/she posted, I must point out that I am indeed a different person.
363. Council pays psychic for exorcism
Comment #126869 by D'Arcy on February 14, 2008 at 11:28 am
Any self respecting poltergeist should be ashamed of itself by being chased away by a bit of salt a charlatan and for £60.00!
If I was a poltergeist I would make the exorcist actually work for its money, scaring them more than the usual inhabitants! Objects would be appearing from all parts of the universe and doing all kinds of nasty things. Any exorcist appearing with a crucifix would be treated with special vehemence. Ectoplasmic frenzy would explode in their faces whilst I chuckled loudly.
£60.00 ... huh! Cheapskate ghost!
364. Why Darwin matters
Comment #126755 by D'Arcy on February 14, 2008 at 6:48 am
F words for our friend wooter:
Sir, Madam, you are fractally false!
365. Why Darwin matters
Comment #126547 by D'Arcy on February 13, 2008 at 2:06 pm
Is a half-man/half monkey possible or desirable?
366. Sharia fiasco
Comment #124950 by D'Arcy on February 10, 2008 at 1:20 pm
I'm quite sure that "given enough time", Islam will be tamed by modern capitalism in much the same way that Christianity was. (Christian values: an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. If your eye offend you pluck it out, same with the arm).
The Saudi state may well be propagating "fundamental" Islam, but it is doing so precisely because it wants to keep itself in power (forever if possible). Religion has long been used as a force for oppression.
In Britain the Labour government has been in favour of "faith" schools not because of the particular flavour of the faith, but because they seemingly provide low cost social control. If people behave themselves because their religion has taught them that way, then it must save the state millions on extra police, courts, prisons etc. to coercively enforce the law.
Rowan Williams has lived up to the name of his position, the Archbishop of Cant.
367. Why Darwin matters
Comment #124927 by D'Arcy on February 10, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Dodger's profound observation:
Precisely the same comment could be made of the blinkered souls who remain unconditionally welded/wedded to natural selection as an omni-explanatory paradigm.
368. Why Darwin matters
Comment #124494 by D'Arcy on February 9, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Dodger, 83 above, asks if belief in a religion means a lower level of culture. Allow me to reframe the question: If a religion is stating things which are unprovable, highly unlikely and contrary to all observations, are its believers in a disadvantaged position as regards to science?
IMO a resounding YES!
Apart from Darwin and Wallace, there were other discoveries going on in the 19th century being made by Christians, which provided evidence of an Earth that was far older than what the Bible had stated. Some of the Christians were at least honest enough to admit that the external evidence had altered their literal view of the Bible. Modern creationists at least have the evidence available to them, they just choose to ignore or distort it.
369. The Passion of 'Anonymous'
Comment #124396 by D'Arcy on February 9, 2008 at 10:47 am
Thetans were supposedly released into the atmosphere nearly 100 million years ago, when a galactic tyrant named Xenu exiled billions of beings to Earth's volcanoes and had them vaporized by bombs. All of this is according to Scientology's origin myth, which church officials have previously struggled to keep private and now no longer claim to espouse.
370. Why Darwin matters
Comment #124381 by D'Arcy on February 9, 2008 at 9:40 am
jimbob, thanks for your post 61 above. This is exactly how the internet should be used; for the dissemination of information. I've known for a long time that Darwin's Christianity "drifted" away from him. I'm not sure how I knew it, but to have the actual words of Darwin and the source put in front of me certainly speeds up the process of investigation.
I know the whole of Darwin's works can now be read online, but it doesn't half help if you get a pointer. Cheers!
371. Why Darwin matters
Comment #124153 by D'Arcy on February 8, 2008 at 1:51 pm
"Nor must we overlook the probability of the constant inculcation in a belief in God on the minds of children producing so strong and perhaps an inherited effect on their brains not yet fully developed, that it would be as difficult for them to throw off their belief in God, as for a monkey to throw off its instinctive fear of a snake." (pp. 77-78).
372. Why Darwin matters
Comment #124113 by D'Arcy on February 8, 2008 at 11:49 am
A good article, and I will probably buy tomorrow's (Saturday) Guardian for the freebie. Like Lyell, Hutton and Rev. Buckland in the field of geology, Darwin was a Christian for a significant period of his life. The death of his daughter didn't help reinforce his belief and together with what he and Wallace had discovered (independently), undoubtedly turned him away from his religion. Like Darwin, the early geologists were reluctant to come to conclusions that varied with what was written in the Bible. The empirical observations forced a change of mind upon these people.
IMO Darwin's great discovery was that things have changed, change, and will change in the future, and not in a random manner. "Given enough time" I hope the creationists will come to understand the enormity of Darwin's ideas.
373. Are Darwin's Theories Fact or Faith Issues?
Comment #122060 by D'Arcy on February 4, 2008 at 3:01 pm
The so-called "Discovery Institute", for which Dr. Simmons works is but a paid agent for creationism. It has discovered nothing of use to the human race, but merely exists to give credence to ideas like "teach the controversy", "evolution is only a theory", etc. by using its well known "wedge" tactic.
Those fundamental Christian bloodsuckers, having no ideas of their own to put forward, apart from a magical explanation of nature, resort to picking what they see as holes in a very well established scientific theory.
As Meyers said, Simmons did not put forward his own point of view, but instead chose to play to the Christian gallery, and in the process exposed his own ignorance.
Science will sort these bastards out.
374. God the psycho
Comment #121504 by D'Arcy on February 3, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Good stuff Pat. See you at Milliways, where we will await the great Prophet Zarquon!
375. Pope says some science shatters human dignity
Comment #121474 by D'Arcy on February 3, 2008 at 1:12 pm
But how then does the soul inherit original sin?
My advice to Cartomancer, fwiw, is to avoid such theological questions altogether. First let them show us their God, then we can argue about souls. So far the religios have not succeeded in providing evidence of their supreme being, and they probably never will.
376. Pope says some science shatters human dignity
Comment #120707 by D'Arcy on February 2, 2008 at 11:05 am
You wonder whose human dignity has been shattered by physical and mental bullying carried out by Catholic representatives, including nuns. Let alone the sexual abuse of children.
Also you wonder about those ?40 odd million people in Africa, whose Catholic representatives preach against the use of condoms, and who are now HIV positive. How much dignity does someone dying of AIDs have? The fact that the Pope, who by definition is and has always been celibate, can Pontificate about other people's sexual behaviour would be funny if it weren't so serious.
377. Belief in Belief
Comment #119255 by D'Arcy on January 31, 2008 at 12:33 pm
"Belief in belief" seems to me to be the same thing as "delusion", both self and group type. If you're bankrupt of ideas that explain reality, then resort to the supernatural explanation, (say no more, nudge nudge, wink wink!)
378. The Repeater
Comment #119240 by D'Arcy on January 31, 2008 at 12:24 pm
Come to think of it, since the flood was after creation, how are there any freshwater creatures at all? They'd have all been killed by exposure to salt water, unless Noah had the foresight to build in a lot of little (and separate) aquaria, we gotta keep all those little fishies in their own waters, so they don't get mixed up. Then you have to desalinate all the lakes they are destined to, and walk them all back. Would have been a real bitch of a job, keeping each varaint of stickleback labelled by lake number.
379. What should a scientist think about religion?
Comment #118172 by D'Arcy on January 30, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Many Christians and Muslims are going to squirm uncomfortably
380. Dawkins is third most prolific internet Briton
Comment #118149 by D'Arcy on January 30, 2008 at 12:16 pm
Hmmm? John Cleese only at 37? I shall have to report this back to the Ministry of Silly Walks. The Spanish Inquisition may have interefered with this poll.
381. 'Irrational Atheist' trounces God-deniers
Comment #117723 by D'Arcy on January 29, 2008 at 1:12 pm
atheism will never be a widespread phenomenon. Like socialism, it's a parasitic phenomenon that can't survive on its own.
382. 'Irrational Atheist' trounces God-deniers
Comment #117655 by D'Arcy on January 29, 2008 at 10:09 am
I assume the Creator Lord of the Universe can defend Himself. He doesn't need my help.
383. The Science behind the Large Hadron Collider
Comment #117292 by D'Arcy on January 28, 2008 at 2:18 pm
I, for one, would be very interested to know what, if anything, the religious luminaries of this world, like the pope, have to say about such experiments. Hopefully they will keep their mouths shut.
Most likely (the wise ones) will make remarks about science shining light on God's creation. The not so wise ones will make remarks about godless and arrogant scientists trying to claim divine powers for themselves.
I will of course be watching the science far more closely than the pronouncements of those with knowledge "transcending" mere science, it's just when these theological "experts" interefere with the real observation of the universe, they make me angry. Religios have nothing to contribute except ignorance.
384. The Science behind the Large Hadron Collider
Comment #116826 by D'Arcy on January 27, 2008 at 2:43 pm
Like many, I'm not up to the mathematics when it comes to string theory, inflation or just plain relativity. However, unlike the religious, we of the scientific congregation have every avenue to question and doubt the "truths" offered us by science.
Personally, I'm not very happy with "multiverses", more than 3D + time, or the fact that an electron goes through two slits instead of one. Feynman said something like "nobody understands quantum physics".
As long as modern science is rigorously peer reviewed and subjected to experimental tests, then we must regard it as the best available explanation.
We can be sure that there will be no shortage of words emanating from the various theological experts around the world, if the LHC drives yet another nail into the coffin of the divine explanation of the universe.
385. The Science behind the Large Hadron Collider
Comment #116460 by D'Arcy on January 26, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Great stuff! I'm always in favour of increasing humanity's knowledge. SteveZ says this may not give us the TOE (Theory of Everything) and he's probably right. But as sure as shit stinks (can't get more scientific than that), this LHC will come out with some scientific advances that hadn't been thought of. Higgs may be who they are looking for, but it could be D'Souza who turns up!
The whole subject reminds me of a cheesy joke for which I apologise in advance to our north American friends in particular, and to all others.
What do you call a female who likes to party and is in the crew of a nuclear submarine?
A subatomic party girl!
Higgs could have been the boson, but Heisenberg, the first mate was uncertain about it.
386. A Letter From Hell
Comment #116114 by D'Arcy on January 25, 2008 at 2:11 pm
This video reminded me that just a few days ago, I went to see Spamalot. Now I know what I will do on my deathbed. I will make sure that when I "go" , I will have a good supply of Holy Hand Grenades with me. Should rip a few wings of those angels!
387. Banned From Church
Comment #115595 by D'Arcy on January 24, 2008 at 11:33 am
This Pastor Jason Burrick has obviously been born into the wrong century. He would have made an admirable Inquisitor for the Catholics. This guy may have increased the congregation from 12 to 70, but even so the money from the collection would seem to be small fry. Still the fact he is resisting any enquiry into church funds, suggests to me that there may be something to hide. Either that or the sense of power has interfered with his judgment as a human being.
As for Mrs. Caskey, well what else comes to mind but silly old bat.
None of the above comments relates to any persons alive. It is "just a story", right?
388. Darwin Day (Feb 12th) E-Cards
Comment #114632 by D'Arcy on January 22, 2008 at 1:41 pm
How about one of God designing some lethal bacterium, with Behe, Ham et al looking on adoringly.
389. Gigantic fossil rodent discovered
Comment #113106 by D'Arcy on January 18, 2008 at 2:57 pm
Well this rodent may not have been the designer of the Ferrari, but did it have to do battle with Argentinasaurus, bigger than T. Rex by far? Probably not, because of a time span of some 55 million years. Never mind, more gaps in the fossil record for Creationosaurus to fall into.
Comment #113083 by D'Arcy on January 18, 2008 at 2:25 pm
We came close to removing polio from the world. Religion has blocked that.
391. Dinesh D'Souza: Winner of the 2007 Bad Faith Award
Comment #113065 by D'Arcy on January 18, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Well, as I am clearly partially to blame, I feel I should apologise.
392. Dinesh D'Souza: Winner of the 2007 Bad Faith Award
Comment #113049 by D'Arcy on January 18, 2008 at 1:57 pm
VivaCriticalThinking poses the question:
This is why I believe we should shift our focus from one of certainty against the existence of a creator (i.e. atheism), to certainy that all earth religions have no link to a supernatural creator, even if one exists (areligionism?).
393. Dinesh D'Souza: Winner of the 2007 Bad Faith Award
Comment #113043 by D'Arcy on January 18, 2008 at 1:47 pm
It looks like parts of England are in for heavy flooding again. Can I make an early re-nomination of the Bishop Of Carlisle for the 2008 Bad Faith award, assuming he hasn't changed his mind in the last 12 months.
All that sin and all that water, well, have we learnt nothing since Noah's time?
394. Questions Delay Creationist Master's Degrees
Comment #113028 by D'Arcy on January 18, 2008 at 1:22 pm
Genesis started on 22 February 4022 BC not the totally wrong date 4004 BC. This shows that Texas desperately needs a Genesis Creationist school to avoid this misunderstandings.
395. Ben Stein Bribing Schools to See His Anti-Evolution Movie 'Expelled'
Comment #112581 by D'Arcy on January 17, 2008 at 1:45 pm
For further info about the relative abundance of elements in the Earth's crust and life see
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/tables/elabund.html
396. Ben Stein Bribing Schools to See His Anti-Evolution Movie 'Expelled'
Comment #112569 by D'Arcy on January 17, 2008 at 1:33 pm
You know, he's got a point. Believing that God took a handful of dust and breathed life into it is WAY more reasonable than just saying "We don't know yet"
397. Ben Stein Bribing Schools to See His Anti-Evolution Movie 'Expelled'
Comment #112564 by D'Arcy on January 17, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Does Stein think that he has expelled Darwin from science? Whilst modern economists have ideas that equate with those of the theologians, full of mysticism, lacking accurate predictions, and of little use to humanity, they serve the purpose of not letting the dog see the rabbit.
Keep people's mind confused, and they will put up with all kinds of poison, especially if they think the real show is in the next life.
398. Questions Delay Creationist Master's Degrees
Comment #112552 by D'Arcy on January 17, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Oh dear! Is Texas really going to teach that the Earth was created in October 4004 bc. Not only that, but it will also be "scientific", as approved by the relevent authorities.
Surely there must enough guns in Texas to shoot this one down?
399. Canadian fossil makes waves in Huckabee's presidential run
Comment #112531 by D'Arcy on January 17, 2008 at 12:33 pm
I think OrbitalMike has it exactly right:
"We are all star stuff."
400. Dinesh D'Souza: Winner of the 2007 Bad Faith Award
Comment #112209 by D'Arcy on January 16, 2008 at 3:09 pm
The frontrunner in any bad faith competition must surely be the pope. Protests by academics , students and others have made the pope call off his visit to La Sapienza University to speak, (due Thurs 17 Jan 08). The pope is quoted as saying:
"At the time of Galileo the Church remained much more faithful to reason
than Galileo himself. The process against Galileo was reasonable and just".
~ Joseph Ratzinger.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/01/15/2139155.htm?section=world