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Comments by Goldy


401. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193653 by Goldy on June 15, 2008 at 9:53 pm

Just as I thought. You can't give me one?

You know how to use Google - try it. I could even help you - after all, you are stuck on the purely stone fossil mental mode - DNA would mean little to you. Anyway, telling someone who said..
Not everything needs evaluating. Somethings are just known to be the truth. The Truth, The Light and The Way.

giving you all the evidence is a waste of time, isn't it?

402. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193648 by Goldy on June 15, 2008 at 9:50 pm

And, if I may, present evidence that there is a distiction between microevolution and macroevolution. I will wait.

403. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193646 by Goldy on June 15, 2008 at 9:48 pm


Give me your one strongest tested, verifiable and replicated proof for Macroevolution?
Brian has been asking for the designer for far longer. You first.

404. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193642 by Goldy on June 15, 2008 at 9:44 pm

All at one time thought the world flat and that the sun revolved around the earth
Personal speculation. Present evidence for this.
As it is, you probably don't believe the earth does go around the sun...
http://blogs4brownback.wordpress.com/2007/05/18/heliocentrism-is-an-atheist-doctrine/

405. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193640 by Goldy on June 15, 2008 at 9:41 pm

Are you for real. Scientific facts are only based on being close to the truth? What's the threshold?
Indeedy-doo I am. The threshold would be absolute fact, that point when it can be conclusively proven that what is deduced is verifiably true.
All inferences relating to Macroevolution are so off, no threshold would consider it close to the truth
Only to you and your kind, because you are in complete thrall to mythology. You cannot handle reality. Designer? C'mon, are you for real? All inferences related to a designer are so of...etc, etc..
Which makes more sense to you, something that cannot be tested, verified, having to be taken on pure faith with no reasoning or something that is tested and discussed, subject to change and more testing, observable and fitting into all natural laws and scientific branches? Which is better, a theory that is acceptable the world over and or the idea that one religion of many is correct and true and that the one religion justv happens to be the Christianity endemic in the USA?
As it is, I don't recognise macro or micro evolution. All are evolution - the distinction is brought about by cretinists who see the flaws in their IDiocy and try and hide it in cryptoscience.

406. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193634 by Goldy on June 15, 2008 at 9:30 pm

Science just gives the best explanation? Even if the explanation is so ludicrous, that any intelligent, reasonable thinking person can see the silliness of it's claim.
Dunno, Brian, seems something has clicked in our simian's head :-)
Indeed, yes. And the silliest claims tend not to progress - ever wondered why you can't get ID into your schools easily?
There is a higher power then you. You are not your own God. You were Created.
Your personal opinion. As you have been shown already, many times, to be completely incapable of reasoned thought, I dare say it would be very churlish of me to ask for evidence.

407. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193631 by Goldy on June 15, 2008 at 9:28 pm

If I may paraphrase, present me with one scientific proven fact which undeniably proves the designer.

408. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193630 by Goldy on June 15, 2008 at 9:26 pm

All Macroevolution inferences are based on faith

Falsifiable hypotheses. These are only in faith in that that they are inferred initially and, subject to peer review, tested to see how close to the truth they are. Not "It's true because I was told they were".
Please leave out the "may be's" the "might's" the "possibly's" the "could be's" ....
Why - does this uncertainty scare you?
Again, present me with one scientific proven fact which undeniably proves Macroevolution
We have - you ignored it. Get your head out of your arse and do some reading. Fuckwit.

409. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193627 by Goldy on June 15, 2008 at 9:22 pm

Then how can you have so much faith in the religion of Evolution?
It's not a religion, it's a theory. Idiot.

410. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193625 by Goldy on June 15, 2008 at 9:21 pm

Repent your sins

See, again. I have no sins to repent. I have no need for a Jewish carpenter and I know I will not need to get him out of my mind because he isn't in it!
You are really teh most amusing little monkey to trot on these threads :-) As good an advertisement for atheism as I can ever hope to find! You know, the others in my office are laughing at you :-)

411. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193621 by Goldy on June 15, 2008 at 9:17 pm

Again. Why the anger and need for hostility? Be honest? Is it because I am somewhat getting through to you?

Because you are a grade A twat. Nothing you say is getting through to me, it just gets to me. Remember, I am a westerner - I have had God rammed down my throat since my christening in December 1968. What on earth can you say that 40 years of others telling me can't? And delivered in such a smug insulting tone! You wonder why I hold you in complete and utter contempt? Demons gnawing at me? Some past horror in my life? Puh-leese! And, despite my requests that you don't, you say you want to pray for me. You disregard a simple request - indeed, you tell me you'll get others to pray for me.
You are the biggest fucking shit I think I have come across. You personify religion to me - and you tell me I have to become one of you! My fat hairy arse, mate! You lost your marbles - deal with it. Don't assume because you are fucking nuts everyone else has to be. Keep your dogma and your prayers and stick it when even the Holy Spirit can't find it. And you can stick your misogynistic gnostic quotations too - they mean nothing to me.

Ummm, honest enough?

412. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193610 by Goldy on June 15, 2008 at 9:08 pm

If you ignore me, I might go away.

You started it! Your first post today was addressed to me. Anyway, you're one of them glazed eyed loonies, the sort that always, but always, sit next to me on a bus. You never go away!
Not everything needs evaluating. Somethings are just known to be the truth.

See, empty headed dogma. You don't want to ask, to find out, to experience. You had some mental problem and you were told it was God or a spirit or something. You never thought to ask others? To maybe go to a doctor?
And if your truth is wrong? To you stick to it? Even if the evidence in front of your eyes point to it being wrong, you will ignore everything? Like Txty, you will bury your head in the sand and stop your ears so that the truth as it is will never replace teh truth as you want it to be?
Pathetic.

413. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193602 by Goldy on June 15, 2008 at 9:02 pm

The Truth, The Light and The Way.
Ooooh, I think I heard this before....Budweiser, wasn't it? Or was that a shampoo commercial...?

414. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193600 by Goldy on June 15, 2008 at 9:00 pm

I realize that this forum is not really about discussing Evolution
A subject you have been assiduously avoiding.
Regarding Paul of Tarsus
Paul was the "first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus".
It's in...
The Writings of Thomas Jefferson: Being his Autobiography, Correspondence, Reports, Messages, Addresses, and Other Writings, Official and Private. Published by the Order of the Joint Committee of Congress on the Library, from the Original Manuscripts, Deposited in the Department of State, With Explanatory Nites, Tables of Contents, and a Copious Index to Each Volume, as well as a General Index to the Whole, by the Editor H. A. Washington. Vol. VII. Published by Taylor Maury, Washington, D.C., 1854.

415. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193593 by Goldy on June 15, 2008 at 8:52 pm

Oh, brother. Now he's quoting Paul of Tarsus...
Brian

Goldy. Humble yourself before big daddy and receive the punishment that you so deserve. Oh yeah!
Ooooh, thank you, Sir! Please may I have another? ;-P

416. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193587 by Goldy on June 15, 2008 at 8:45 pm

Constantly protecting oneself from criticism, exposure of one's shortcomings, or other real or perceived threats to the ego.

That's why the first step to your salvation is to humble yourselves.

Good - do it. In fact, humble yourself to your prayer group - or have you already done that? Is that's where your God's "Who's your daddy?" line comes from?

417. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193583 by Goldy on June 15, 2008 at 8:41 pm

This is what's causing the bitterness and aggression towards me. I understand. It's ok

The fact you are an annoying prick seems to have completely bypassed you, eh? Must be God we're angry at, not some fuckwit spouting utter shite, eh? I mean, stands to reason, really, don't it? You come here and answer piss all, tell people we're fucked, that you'll pray for us even when we explicitly tell you not to, assume we have "sinned" and do not believe us when we tell you we haven't and so it must, of course, be God we're angry at.
Just how many friends, outside your wee prayer group, do you actually have? Are your "friends" actually just trying to help you or are they in some form of punishment for sins thay committed?

418. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193579 by Goldy on June 15, 2008 at 8:36 pm

Kelv is the proprietor of Kelv's liquors. He's selling you the spirit that you drink. :)

Aaaaah, so not the bathtub liquor made in a Kelvinator twin tub, then :-D

MPhil - you are probably not imbued fully int he holy spirit yet :-)

Hmmm, terrified. Yep, that's me. Of course, terrified means contented and relaxed, doesn't it...

419. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193573 by Goldy on June 15, 2008 at 8:33 pm

Again, RtG, who the fuck is Kelv?

420. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193572 by Goldy on June 15, 2008 at 8:31 pm

The Lord wants all to call him Father
I'll bet he does, wink, wink ;-) Bet that's what all the priests say, eh? Starting to get a wee window into your life - all part of your suppressed past?

Brian
Goldy careful with that spirit. It's stronger than beer.
True - but I did find a place doing a nice schnapps - German stuff. Veronika's in Auckland, next to Diehl's Bakery...

RtG again
Unfortunately, too many let their close mindedness reasoning, restrict them in seeing the beauty God has created all around them.
Now why did this remind me of Hypatia?

Evidence of Macroevolution or a transitional fossil please. Evidence has to be something we can both examine. Not something you infer.
Good, evidence of holy spirit? Not my kind, your kind.

421. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193560 by Goldy on June 15, 2008 at 8:16 pm

Any changes yet in your desire to fill the void in your heart? The feelings you should be feeling soon is the the Holy Spirit.

And this has what to do with any discussion here? As it is, yes, I shall be filled with the Holy Spirit :-)

Edit - and who the fuck is Kelv?

422. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193552 by Goldy on June 15, 2008 at 8:04 pm

As you are really crap at your own religion, here's a helping hand for you
http://www.religioustolerance.org/noah_com.htm
It's easy to read...

Edit - and more
http://talkorigins.org/faqs/flood-myths.html
And more!
http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/science/flood.html

You know - with all this information, a mere click away and found so rapidly, how can you have no idea of the date of your flood story? Oh, yeah, I forgot - you never bother to read anything...

423. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193546 by Goldy on June 15, 2008 at 7:59 pm

I think the stronger arguments favor a young earth. But my reasons for adopting the YEC position some years back are more about a Biblical pattern of seven than they are dating methods.

So physics and geology and mathematics are wrong? As are the other religions that predate Christianity and do not share the chronology described in the Bible as worked out by a WASP Christian. In fact your views are based on the number 7 in a set of mythologies. Hmmm…..now that is logical..
You can't explain any biological feature without violating one of your premises, which is that every detail served in some alternate capacity till the whole system was integrated and functional. What did the optic/auditory nerves do while they were waiting for accidental DNA replication errors to produce everything else? What purpose did the eardrum and cochlea serve? What kept the lens and iris from being deselected? And how were any of these defined and produced by mutations?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/01/1/l_011_01.html
Also have a go through some of these. Not all relevant but then you'll not read any of them so it doesn't matter.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez
I am an orthodox, dispensational literalist

Of a western sect of Christianity, of which you are a minority. So that makes you correct? I know you will not read this, but here is another view of the Flood (date of which you cannot tell us because it never happened. Did you come across Hancock's book? http://www.theosophical.org.uk/undrwrldhy.htm)

About Noah, the Floods and Mankind
Adil Salahi, Arab News

Q. We know that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was sent to all mankind, but was Prophet Noah (peace be upon him) also sent to all mankind? If he was sent as a messenger of God to his own people only, and they refused to accept his message, why was all mankind drowned by the floods that engulfed the whole world? It is said that the whole population of the earth come from his three sons, Ham, Sam and Yafith. Please explain.
S.R. Ali
A. To start with, there are several statements in the Qur'an making clear that Prophet Noah was sent to his own people. He was not a messenger to all mankind. Only Prophet Muhammad was given this task, and therefore, the miracle supporting his message was a book, the Qur'an, outlining a code of living that is suitable to all generations and all communities and environments. Therefore, the question posed by the reader is valid: was the great flood a punishment to all people on earth at the time? If so, why?
In fact, there is no indication or reference in the Qur'an suggesting that the floods overwhelmed the entire planet. The description given in the Qur'an of the flood makes clear that it was of overwhelming proportions, leaving none of the wrongdoers among Noah's people alive. It does not mention other communities. In fact there are several references that it engulfed Noah's own people in particular. Take for example the twice-repeated Qur'anic statement: "Do not appeal to Me on behalf of the wrongdoers. They shall be drowned." (11: 37 & 23: 27) "We saved him together with all those who stood by him, in the ark, and caused those who rejected Our revelations to drown. Surely they were blind people." (7: 64) The contexts in which all these statements occur are very clear in their references to Noah's own community to whom he was required to address his message. Hence we can say that the flood punishment was directed to his own people who rejected his faith, after clear evidence had been given to them, and after their long opposition to his efforts and their repeated hurling of abuse and ridicule on him.
This means that other communities to whom Noah's message was not addressed were not involved in these events.
There is no reason to suppose otherwise. This means that those communities either received other messages, about which the Qur'an remained silent, or they were not at the time receiving any message. In either case, their fate would be determined by their circumstances. We need not go into this because we have no means to establish such historical events with any reasonable measure.
Nor can we say that all people living today are descendents of Noah through his three sons. To start with, there were other people saved in the Ark. These could have had children of their own and they would have descendents. Moreover, We cannot establish with any degree of certainty that Noah had three sons. Indeed, it is practically impossible to ascertain that Sam ever existed, which casts doubt on the very idea of Semitism.
Whether such things are established or not is of no importance. What is important is to rely only on what God says in the Qur'an and what the Prophet has taught in his authentic Sunnah. This is what ensures our salvation in the life to come.

424. Saving Us from Darwin

Comment #193519 by Goldy on June 15, 2008 at 6:49 pm

However, because God created us, He is outside any man made logical prose and debate

"Then God said, Let us make man in our image ... in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them."

If we are made in his image, then what is God is in us. So he is not outside logic, "manmade" or otherwise, because that is from God.
Those who have had an experience with God, know that this is an experience with God and nobody from the outside can tell us otherwise

Nobody has ever experienced God as there is no God. You have had a neurologically base experience which you have attributed to God. Nobody from the outside can experience this because they are probably normal. This should have been a rather large clue that this God feeling is most probably you.

425. Discussion between Richard Dawkins and Paula Kirby

Comment #193448 by Goldy on June 15, 2008 at 3:56 pm

Creationist: "I guess you are right. Could you give me some money for my bus fare? God wants you to."

Evolutionist: "No, get your own money"
Creationist: "Jesus loves you - but you are going to hell for all eternity for going against God's wishes!"

426. Scientists confirm that parts of earliest genetic material may have come from the stars

Comment #193445 by Goldy on June 15, 2008 at 3:53 pm

Now, if I remember right, meteors are sort of big sluchy balls of ice and rock and stuff. the stuff of life came, maybe, from one of these. God made life, ergo God is a big ball of sluchy ice and rock.
Flattering....

427. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193226 by Goldy on June 15, 2008 at 2:18 am

Rev SD

Goldy, if you feel an unusual tugging at your heart it is possibly (But highly unlikely) strange Indiana-Jones style cultists (Ie. imaginary) trying to pull your heart from your body. Kick their arses. Althernately if you experience paliptations, you should speak to a medical proffessional.
Oddly enough, this did occur and I decided prayer was not the answer. Like RtG would do (trust me, his self help prayer group would the last place he'd go to!), I went to the doctor. Everything tickety-boo. Felt fine so forgot about it until I had the same feeling later - it was chamomile tea!

428. Holiday in Hellmouth

Comment #193224 by Goldy on June 15, 2008 at 1:34 am

I seriously doubt David has the capability to understand and evaluate Haldane's position. You would need quite some knowledge of philosophical ethics for that.
Not understanding has never been a barrier for those that have something to say. Most religious people have absolutely no idea about the religion they follow - doesn't stop them pontificating about that either :-)

429. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193216 by Goldy on June 15, 2008 at 12:26 am

Anger and bitterness is no way to live your life.

Sure ain't - you stick with your self help group and maybe you'll hit inner peace and contentment, like me :-)
Jesus is the Truth and The Way.

Well, them Mexicans sure are useful ;-)
So, proof of creator. Any thoughts on the flood?
Tell you what, I'll give you an easy one - prove Jesus (the Jew, not the Mexican). Just prove what you say about him is true. Prayers don't count.
Oooh, Simpsons on again - ttfn!

430. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193195 by Goldy on June 15, 2008 at 12:00 am

Well, I can't wait. You'll never come up with anything meaningful. Get back to your self help group, RtG.
I'm off to watch the Simpsons :-)

431. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193194 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 11:59 pm

My proof for a designer? Humble yourself and open your eyes. The proof is so very prevalent all around you.
Evidence, not personal incredulity. Try again.

432. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193189 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 11:55 pm

Have you seen any actual scientific verifiable accepted transitional fossil? Because that is the only way you can claim Macroevolution. Please be honest and answer the question.

Monotremes. They still exist. Tiktaalit. H. erectus. Etc, etc, etc....

Edit - And no a peep of any evidence from you. About anything. You must be a sad and tortured soul - what with having to join a group of people to utter words of comfort to each other. I wonder what sort of childhood you must have had that made you so insecure...

433. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193186 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 11:53 pm

The fact that God created life also proves that all life has a common designer

If it is a fact, there must be evidence. Present it. And prayers do not count.

434. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193182 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 11:51 pm

I am not sure what happened to you in your childhood or past, but the bitterness is very apparent.

Again, you are imagining things which are not there.
No demons in my soul, no need for prayer. I am without sin and of impeccable moral character. I am happy. My responses show only my incredulity at the utter idiocy you exhibit and my personal surprise that the likes of you exist - I had only come across people like by watching TV.
You have changed the subject - no answers, eh? You know you are wrong and all you can offer are empty words. So you admit you are wrong and we are right.

435. Holiday in Hellmouth

Comment #193178 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 11:47 pm

As it happens I was speaking at a conference yesterday with Professor John Haldane, professor of philosophy at the University of St Andrews, and he argued precisely against the position you hold. Then agin maybe he does not know what he is talking about and is guilty of irrationality and hubris?
As far as I can tell, the only reason you don't think he is irrational is because you agree with him.

436. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193175 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 11:43 pm

They would rather believe in the IMMPOSSIBLE then accept the unthinkable

Heheheheheheh! Just read this line again. Yep, belief in the impossible - like a world wide flood that even co-religionists dismiss, a flood with no evidence whatsoever and which cannot be discussed, even by ne with a "well developed" belief. The sheer non-impossibility of something (a designer who is also known as God) making everything, a designer that is apparently eternal adn outside the laws of physics and indeed mathematics. Yep, we have to accept the inthinkable - all science and mathematics are wrong. Everything we see and think and do is wrong - mathematically impossible.
Out of the mouths of idiots, we get the truth :-)

437. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193174 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 11:38 pm

Macroevolution is soley based on inferences. This is a fact.
If it is a fact, there must be evidence. Present it.

438. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193171 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 11:34 pm

RtG - Has prayer ever really helped? Or is this a candid admission that you are too ignorant to contribute anything worthwhile other than some soon forgotten sentiments?
Use of unneccessary capitals does mark you out as one of the great unwashed ignorati.
Edit - your spelling is also a bit suspect - are you, in fact, educated to a high level or did you stop at a relatively young age?

439. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193165 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 11:25 pm

But that was muslims Steve.

Not, apparently, the third time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria
The fact that all kinds of animals have all kinds of specialized hearing systems does not mean those systems, or those animals are related.

Ummmmm
It turns out that there is a precedence effect by which the brain only pays attention to the first wavefront that reaches it.

You really don't read anything, do you? Same systems, different methods of analysing incoming sounds. The ear, as far as I can read, is not that different. How the sound is translated by the organism is.
The second problem, which you did not mention, is that the system is supposed to have been engineered on an accidental basis by way of DNA copy errors. This is nothing less than completely ridiculous

Why? "I don't think so!" is hardly an answer, is it? Personal opinion, not back by a shred of research.
You should have stuck to dealing with guns. I do wonder how many people may have died as a result of that line of work...

440. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193116 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 4:05 pm

Paula

How? I can see how millions of people believing in prayer could directly and adversely affect your life, simply by the influence they could exert on public policy etc - but how would their actual praying make any difference to you?

To pray they have to believe. It is not really conceivable that, of the millions, they would all pray to a different deity, so they form groups. I know that if they pray for me, they think me a sinner or something. One person can't do much to change my life. Many, if they form groups, can and I believe do.
All I am saying is that it is a small step from merely offering a prayer, however unwanted that may be, to wanting to impose restrictions I don't need to protect my morals. From a simple prayer to a Commission for the Protection of Virtue and Prevention of Vice is a small step...
Plus, on a personal note, I do not want people praying for me. Ever. I want people to do constructive things with their own lives.
And talking of constructive things, off to get wood to build a wardrobe. Catch you all in a few hours time :-)

441. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193063 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 2:11 pm

I think he should first explain what he means by "degregated".
Segregation of degenerates? Missed that one - mustn't mix grain and grape :-) Explains sore head this morning...

442. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193062 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 2:09 pm

Do you have an ass, or do you use a golf cart? :-)

Ural M66 - though as the final drive decided to stop any drive at all, it has been upgraded to arse :-(
But why should I care - hmmmm....it's like spam, really. The web kind, not the meat product. No harm individually, but when a lot do it, things stop and everything gets clogged to a standstill. One person praying for me is an annoyance - millions is an imposition that can directly and adversely affect my life.

443. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193054 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 2:03 pm

Ste5e, distilling, still legal in NZ. Trying to convince the wife that it would be a good investment...
I am a bit peeved at txty - frail evidence? That hurts, considering he doesn't read any of it. I gave him almost 5000 papers to peruse, scientific papers. I'll bet he hasn't even looked up one. But I guess he is right - after all, if you don't read the literature, how strong can the evidence be? See no evil, etc, etc...
Philip, I think these raptures adn end of worlds is a way of whittling the more stupid members of religions from the pool. It doesn't appear to be working too well, mind...

444. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193046 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 1:52 pm

I'm good enough with AIG's date. Whatever it was, it is 1656 years after Adam.

And this was when, exactly?
I doubt the Levitical feasts make any sense to you, but they are about a prophetic projection of the First and Second advents, with Shavuot being in between. It represents the times of the Gentiles, which is where we are now, though it is quickly drawing to a close.
All religion makes no sense to me. Are you saying we've got a rapture a-coming? What happens if nothing happens?
Sorry for the sarcasm, but honestly, what you guys present as evidence just seems so frail
We are talkng to a militantly ignorant man - we have to make our evidence as simple as possible. You appear still not to understand - which does not bode well for your faith. After all, if you can't understand simple observations, what chance have you in understanding the esoteric?

445. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #192803 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 1:40 am

I can't understand the likes of RtG though. With all the books published in a year, with the whole of the Internet available to him he is comfortable in retaining his ignorance, in not stepping outside the bounds defined by his ideology.
Like txtpiper, he's millitantly ignorant. He's fighting hard to maintain this ignorant state!
43 minutes: TRY: New Zealand 30-13 England
NZ win the line-out and Carter finds Ma'a Nonu, who hands off Charlie Hodgson's lame attempt to bring him down and the centre finds Mils Muliaina to cross over for the simplest of scores. DC sticks over the two points. You can't but think that if Jonny Wilkinson were in that number 10 shirt, Nonu would've been on his backside in no time.

:-(

446. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #192802 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 1:31 am

You know of the Goons

*Sound of approaching footsteps* "He's fallen in the water!" Wild applause for Little Jim!

447. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #192795 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 1:21 am

To all of you.

Goodnight and God Bless

Ying tong iddle I poh

38 minutes: TRY: New Zealand 23-13 England
Brad Thorn makes a brilliant break and Danny Carter scythes through the England defence, but Topsy Ojo intercepts and runs in a brilliant 80m score, using his pace to outrun Mils Muliaina to touch down in the corner. Barkley adds the extras. What a score, England looked destined to be 28-11 before the London Irish wing stepped in for a dream score on debut. Barkley adds the extras.

448. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #192790 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 1:17 am

I truly am trying to understand why this discussion resulted in most of you displaying such an animosity and heartless attack on Christianity.

Oh for Pete's sake, we are not!!! All we are doing is giving you evidence to the contrary and asking you for a rebuttal! Grow a skin, for gawd's sake!
If you are going to make assertions here, they will have to be backed yo. "Because it is in the Bible" isn't quite going to cut it here. We want evidence. Thought you knew that before you came here!

449. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #192787 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 1:12 am

Time of death 08:10 UTC. Reason, "I can't answer your questions".

:-D
28 minutes:Penalty: New Zealand 20-6 England
:-(

450. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #192784 by Goldy on June 14, 2008 at 1:07 am

Tell me why its such a coincidence that the 25th of December is such an important date? Is it because of the sun and where it sets in the sky?

And don't forget Easter - that moving date of a an anniversary of the death of Jesus...

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