Comments by epeeist

401. [UPDATED] Venomous Snakes, Slippery Eels and Harun Yahya

Comment #208941 by epeeist on July 11, 2008 at 12:15 pm

Comment #208928 by Peacebeuponme

Unless that is, they somehow re-virginise themselves constantly and retain no knowledge of previous encounters.

Do you know the old joke about the fisherman who went to hell?

Satan took him fishing. They sat down next to a pool and the guy makes a cast. Almost immediately he gets a bit, pulls it in and nets a huge fish.

Makes a second cast, another bite and an even bigger fish.

This goes on for an hour or two and he has the biggest haul of fish that he has ever seen.

"Well that was great," he says to Satan, "I think that will do for the day."

"Oh no," says Satan, "you have to keep fishing."

402. [UPDATED] Venomous Snakes, Slippery Eels and Harun Yahya

Comment #208856 by epeeist on July 11, 2008 at 10:12 am

You know given the amounts of cash the Gulf oil states are awash with you would think that they would be the next world superpowers.

Is it going to happen? Absolutely not. The next world superpowers will be India and China. Both secular powers.

Interesting to note the differences between India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. They all gained independence at the same time but India has remained a democracy and produces a huge number of graduates in the sciences each year.

Pakistan has repeatedly suffered coups, can't control its own borders, has an incredibly low literacy rate, educates a significant number of its children in religious schools and without western help would be a completely failed state.

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Comment #208712 by epeeist on July 11, 2008 at 7:07 am

Comment #208708 by Vaal

You monkey maid speaks better English than you. Perhaps you should be the monkey maid?

Clearmind and a bonobo. That's an image I didn't want on a Friday afternoon.

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Comment #208655 by epeeist on July 11, 2008 at 5:54 am

Comment #208619 by tompaine

Yep, some evidence for pain relief but why not take cheaper pain killing drugs?

Because they only alleviate the problem but don't fix it?

Would you say that going to a sports physiotherapist is unjustifiable? That they are cranks? It was a sports physio that advised me to see an Alexander technique teacher.

As I said, I don't swallow the mumbo-jumbo behind the technique. I think Alexander was a good observer who came up with some good ideas on awareness of posture, nothing more.

Where it has helped me is being aware of what my pupils are doing with their bodies and how I can help them improve their posture and movement and avoid injury. You might say I could get most of that from basic physiology and you would be right. However, the particular path I followed worked for me. If it doesn't work for you then fine.

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Comment #208608 by epeeist on July 11, 2008 at 4:31 am

Comment #208581 by Brian English

But the less extreme claim that when your muscles or vertebrae press upon nerves may have an adverse affect on how the nerves function seems reasonable.

And this is basically the reason one should be careful of posture. This is the idea I took away from Alexander technique. A lot of the rest is mumbo-jumbo.

406. Religious bigotry upheld in court

Comment #208592 by epeeist on July 11, 2008 at 4:08 am

For those who want some amusement head over to http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jul/11/gayrights.religion

Not particularly the comments by RosPower and June 15. The former is a religious homophobe and the latter claims to be a secularist but always defends the religious position.

407. PLEASE WRITE IN SUPPORT OF PZ MYERS

Comment #208516 by epeeist on July 11, 2008 at 2:09 am

Comment #208511 by Ian

End-of-data rejected: ip has temporarily exceeded the allowed mail recipient relays per day'

Difficult to tell without all the headers, but it looks as though there may have been a lot of mail to President Bruininks.

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Comment #208473 by epeeist on July 11, 2008 at 1:17 am

Comment #208461 by Goldy

Cheers mate! Chiropracty the easy part - open wallet, they perform a pecuniectomy and then attempt to snap my spine. The hard part comes now with...shudder!...exercise!

I used to go to a sports physio and chiropractor moderately regularly. It did the trick for a short time but my back problems kept coming back.

On a training course I had treatment from another physio (Herman Fenton, known as the Herminator) who pointed me at Alexander technique. I am not convinced of some of the "scientific" ideas behind the technique but Alexander was a first class observer and produced a system that seems to work (a research programme I think MPhil would call it).

I think the thing that it gave me was a greater awareness of what my body is actually doing, rather than what I think it is doing. As a result I haven't had to visit a chiropractor for a long time.

You might like the fact that one of the exercises is to lie flat on your back for 15 minutes a couple of times a day. Google for "Alexander technique semi-supine position".

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Comment #208441 by epeeist on July 11, 2008 at 12:23 am

Comment #208436 by clearmind

Venomous Snakes, Slippery Eels and CENCORSHIP

For fucks sake, just go away. You have nothing to add, you aren't even funny.

410. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #208420 by epeeist on July 10, 2008 at 11:54 pm

Comment #208411 by txpiper

So to answer your question, I value my opinion on things like this above those of the gentlemen and crowds you list because, if they believe that things like this are really possible, it's apparent that they never really thought about it. And I have.

So apparently has a guy called Harun Yahya.

He too has opinions. He has taken it further than you though, he has published books on them and has sets of acolytes who believe what he says. You might want to try and find a copy of his "Atlas of Creation" and realise what opinion backed up with no empirical data gets you.

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Comment #207946 by epeeist on July 10, 2008 at 10:31 am

Comment #207936 by al-rawandi

Why don't you, with all your shining intellect go look through a list of countries with highest per capita GDP.

He might also want to add in the figures for infant mortality - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate

Life expectancy - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy

Literacy - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy

And so on, to see what type of countries do best.

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Comment #207934 by epeeist on July 10, 2008 at 10:21 am

Comment #207933 by Joe Morreale

There is no objective worthy of worship but God and Muhammad is his last and final Messenger

Well, I suppose it takes the acolyte of a rapist to idolise a child-rapist.

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Comment #207928 by epeeist on July 10, 2008 at 10:07 am

Comment #207917 by Joe Morreale

THERE IS THOUGH NO ONE TODAY LIKE ADNAN OKTAR WHO HAS PLACED THE FALSE SCIENCE OF EVOLUTION IN THE OPEN.

I think it is open season on you.

You have signally failed to answer any question asked of you, whether it was on evolution, the existence of your god, the contents of your holy book.

You have obviously failed to read any of the material that you were pointed at.

You are a one-book bigot. Too stupid to realise that people have been treating you as a joke ever since you came to the site. Too stupid to raise even the most elementary argument for your position.

The barbaric, misogynistic, homophobic religion that is Islam had very little credibility on this site. Thanks to you and the other acolytes of Harun Yahya that have posted here it is exposed as the refuge of the terminally incompetent.

I look forward to Al-Rawandi and Fanusi Khiyal ripping apart any future claims for the pathetic interior-designer, rapist and blackmailer who is the object of your admiration and the medieval nonsense that is your religion.

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Comment #207918 by epeeist on July 10, 2008 at 9:53 am

Joe - here is the list of Nobel prize winners - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_laureates

Here is a list of Field's medallists - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fields_medal

Care to point out which are Muslim?

What chance of pointing out where in the Qu'ran that Brazil, Koala bears or the planet Neptune are mentioned?

415. [UPDATED] Venomous Snakes, Slippery Eels and Harun Yahya

Comment #207911 by epeeist on July 10, 2008 at 9:40 am

Comment #207907 by Joe Morreale

Ms Carleton Fiorina, Chief Executive Officer of
Hewlett-Packard Corp sept 2001 at meeting of all the world's corporation managers:

"...Although we are often unaware of our INDEBTEDNESS to this other civilization, its gifts are very much part of our heritage. The TECNOLOGY INDUSTRY WOULD NOT EXIST WITHOUT the contributions of Arab mathematicians."

Why is it that this looks like a cut and paste job?

Could it be the poor spelling perhaps? Back to Charles Darwin being an armature naturalist I think.

Oh, and what has Islam done for science lately?

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Comment #207895 by epeeist on July 10, 2008 at 9:08 am

Comment #207890 by al-rawandi

Any theories on why Iraq and Syria (crescent) were the centers of learning. I posit it is a combination of the ease of farming (providing more leisure time) and the history of those places (beyond the Babylonians, there were many monasteries to be found there at the coming of Islam).

"Guns, Germs and Steel" by Jared Diamond.

You and he seem to be singing from the same song book.

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Comment #207882 by epeeist on July 10, 2008 at 8:49 am

Comment #207856 by Cartomancer, Comment #207865 by al-rawandi

For me these two posts epitomise what this site is about. Discourse from two people in different disciplines adding to the knowledge of anyone reading.

Two posts which enlighten more than all the pages that our three Muslim bigots have posted.

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Comment #207855 by epeeist on July 10, 2008 at 8:23 am

Comment #207850 by Fanusi Khiyal

al, epeeist and everyone else, I am deeply, deeply disappointed in you. You're engaging in some first-class Islam-whuppin' and you don't invite me to the party?

Well, they are cooked on one side. You can turn them over and barbecue the other side if you want.

I took a look at that cretinous website. Here's a taster:

Actually the one that creased me was on http://scienceislam.com/evolution_creation.php where it says Speaking of Charles Darwin, he was only an armature naturalist

419. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #207848 by epeeist on July 10, 2008 at 8:13 am

Comment #207847 by Kardashovel

Not as smelly as the dude in the photo. I'm determined to kill this thread.

There are a set of loony Muslims on the "Venomous Snakes, Slippery Eels and Harun Yahya" thread, but I am afraid you might be a bit late to try them out.

Made txpiper look sane.

420. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #207844 by epeeist on July 10, 2008 at 8:07 am

Comment #207816 by hungarianelephant

If he existed, Jesus was a short, ugly guy

and a bit smelly too.

421. [UPDATED] Venomous Snakes, Slippery Eels and Harun Yahya

Comment #207841 by epeeist on July 10, 2008 at 8:05 am

Comment #207801 by irate_atheist

You are Noel Coward and I claim my five pounds.

Actually, I see myself more as a Lord Peter Wimsey...

422. [UPDATED] Venomous Snakes, Slippery Eels and Harun Yahya

Comment #207833 by epeeist on July 10, 2008 at 7:53 am

Well Joe - three hours are up, you had two goes at it but you didn't offer any mechanism or evidence to show the universe was created or any of the other subsequent questions. So that would be a fail then.

Neither did you manage to show any evidence of an alternate theory to that of evolution, so another fail.

I see Calillasseia asked you to show him where in the Qu'ran the Navier-Stokes equations were detailed. You don't seem to have answered that either. I am afraid that is fail again.

Can we make it easier for you. Can you point us to specific places in the Qu'ran where Brazil, koala bears or the planet Neptune is mentioned? No metaphors please, exact descriptions wanted.

Or are you going to have to admit four fail marks out of four?

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Comment #207808 by epeeist on July 10, 2008 at 7:33 am

Comment #207804 by Calilasseia

Anyone else here regard this blatant hitting on a female poster as creepy and offensive?

Absolutely - marked as offensive, since we don't have a "creepy" button.

Nor, "fucktard" or "sock puppet" buttons either, more's the pity.

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Comment #207777 by epeeist on July 10, 2008 at 7:04 am

Comment #207771 by hungarianelephant

Alright, hands up everyone who's wearing cowboy boots.

Since I am a homeworker I don't have to expose my sartorial elegance.

I am sitting here in my pyjamas and a dressing gown. Local time is around 3PM.

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Comment #207769 by epeeist on July 10, 2008 at 7:00 am

Comment #207755 by Bonzai

No, I didn't. Wooter is also a Muslim, apparently.

How can you tell the difference between a Christian sock puppet and a Muslim one?

Is it in the way the heel is turned? Do the Christian ones cover the ankles while the Muslim ones go up to the knee?

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Comment #207764 by epeeist on July 10, 2008 at 6:54 am

Comment #207741 by Jamie V

ANYWAY, the main point of this post is an observation / request. In responses to trolls, there have been long posts detailing the scientific facts and evidence to refute their claims. Some posters feel this is a pointless exercise as said trolls never bother to read the long responses properly and carry on with their creationist rants, and to a large extent, I agree with them. However, for someone like me, the scientifically detailed posts are both fascinating and educational, and I would very much hope that they continue.

Jamie, there is little to no chance of educating the trolls. This is a truism.

However, the responses that the trolls ignore aren't meant for them. They are meant for people like you.

So welcome, ask questions, don't be worried about your lack of knowledge or looking a prat. You might get one or two raspberries but the large majority of people here are happy to point you to good sources of information.

Just don't try to take on all the stuff that Calilasseia or MPhil post at once ;-)

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Comment #207704 by epeeist on July 10, 2008 at 5:52 am

Comment #207671 by Joe Morreale

A SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN FACT (The Qu'ran that was revealed to him)

Joe - I am only going to point out that "scientific fact" and "revelation" are directly opposed. I am not going to count it as an answer to my questions.

However, you have only two chances and a couple of hours before I can't you as failed on this one as well as on the questions on evolution.

Think of it this way. If you going into a history exam and instead of answering the questions on the exam paper you wrote a criticism of Beethoven's use of counterpoint how many marks would you expect to get? Not very many.

So here are my "exam questions" again. I really would like answers to them:

1. Show that the universe was created
2. Show that the creator was a deity
3. Show that this deity is both interventionist and omnipotent, omniscient and omni-benevolent
4. Show that this deity is the one of a particular tribe in one area of a small planet going round an ordinary sun in a galaxy of 400 billion others, the galaxy being one of 150 billion others
5. Show that this was all documented in the holy book of this set of primitives

EDIT: I see you attempted to answer my first question.

However just stating that the Big Bang proves that the universe was created isn't proof. It is just an assertion.

What I want is evidence and mechanism.

I think that only leaves you one chance

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Comment #207667 by epeeist on July 10, 2008 at 5:09 am

Comment #207664 by Joe Morreale

The many books of Harun Yayha deal with all your questions with scientific evidence and not falsehoods and speculation that evolutionists engage in.

All of these are simply criticisms of atheism or the theory of evolution.

I didn't ask for these. I asked for positive proofs that the universe was created, that it was created by a god, that the god is interventionist, omnipotent, omniscient and omni-benevolent, that it is the god of a small tribe of people in a vast universe and that it is all documented in their holy book.

If you have knowledge, i.e. justified, true belief then you should be able to provide us with these positive proofs.

I am afraid to say that you have wasted one of your chances.

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Comment #207652 by epeeist on July 10, 2008 at 4:46 am

Joe - you are obviously incapable of answering my questions on evolution. We will mark you as failed on that one.

So let's try something new. This is a bit like Brian English's single question but expanded out a little so as to make it easier for you. Can you:

Show that the universe was created
Show that the creator was a deity
Show that this deity is both interventionist and omnipotent, omniscient and omni-benevolent
Show that this deity is the one of a particular tribe in one area of a small planet going round an ordinary sun in a galaxy of 400 billion others, the galaxy being one of 150 billion others
Show that this was all documented in the holy book of this set of primitives

I gave you at least a dozen chances to answer my questions on evolution. I really don't think I can be as patient again.

Shall we say a maximum of three chances over the next three hours? Otherwise we are going to have to mark you as failed on this as well.

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Comment #207635 by epeeist on July 10, 2008 at 4:21 am

Comment #207633 by Joe Morreale

Take a look at what non-Muslim scientists have admitted on SCIENCEISLAM.COM

Joe - you can come here and make as many posts as you want.

Why can't we post on the SCIENCEISLAM.COM site? Why are we being censored?

By not answering questions and simply shouting over and over again you undermine your position and make yourself look foolish.

When are you going to answer Brian English's or my questions?

431. [UPDATED] Venomous Snakes, Slippery Eels and Harun Yahya

Comment #207634 by epeeist on July 10, 2008 at 4:17 am

Joe - you are obviously ignoring both Brian's and my posts. Here is the content of a post of mine from the previous page:

Are you actually prepared to offer any evidence or mechanism for your alternative to the theory of evolution. Even giving some details of your alternative theory might help.

Can you tell us why chimpanzee and human DNA are so similar?

If you have a theory then it has to stand on its own. It has to be:

1. Accurate
2. Broad in Scope
3. Parsimonious
4. Self-consistent and consistent with other theories
5. Capable of being tested
6. Capable of being falsified

You have been here for days. These questions have been put to you numerous times and you have evaded answering them.

Personally I don't think you are capable of answering, nor do I think you have any answers to my questions.

The burden of proof is upon you to provide an alternate theory. Let's see it.

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Comment #207593 by epeeist on July 10, 2008 at 3:29 am

Comment #207585 by Vaal

I don't really know what the Cretinists hope to achieve with their hit and run tactics on this board, as they rarely learn anything and in the case of these particular Islamic buffoons they have no intention of actual dialogue. Their tactics just seem to be SHOUT and IGNORE. That may work in a mosque preaching to the credulous but is a blind alley here.

And in fact it is counter-productive. By simply shouting, refusing to engage and ignoring any post that undermines their position they advertise the fact that they have no argument. Their bigotry and lack of reason is open for everyone to see. Uncommitted lurkers will see and compare the two sides.

Which is why it is important to press them to come up with support for their beliefs and not just allow them to criticise.

At least Clearthinker (dare I actually complement him) engages with us to a point.

You do realise that Gordon has been taking his posts, feeding them through a text randomiser and re-posting the results? When clearmind responds to these he is arguing with his own gibberish. :-D

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Comment #207554 by epeeist on July 10, 2008 at 2:41 am

Comment #207550 by Joe Morreale

LET US START WITH A BANG!

21:30 "DO NOT THE UNBELIEVERS SEET THAT THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH WERE JOINE TOGETHER, BEFORE WE CLOVED THEM ASUNDER? WE MADE EVERY LIVING THING OUT OF WATER. WILL THEY TEN NOT BELIEVE?"

No, let's start with you switching your caps lock off.

Are you actually prepared to offer any evidence or mechanism for your alternative to the theory of evolution. Even giving some details of your alternative theory might help.

Can you tell us why chimpanzee and human DNA are so similar?

If you have a theory then it has to stand on its own. It has to be:

Accurate
Broad in Scope
Parsimonious
Self-consistent and consistent with other theories
Capable of being tested
Capable of being falsified

You have been here for days. These questions have been put to you numerous times and you have evaded answering them.

Personally I don't think you are capable of answering, nor do I think you have any answers to my questions.

The burden of proof is upon you to provide an alternate theory. Let's see it.

434. Conversation between Richard Dawkins and John Lennox

Comment #207549 by epeeist on July 10, 2008 at 2:33 am

Comment #207546 by decius

Comment #207543 by J.Anderson

Clearly a concern troll.

Isn't this a variant of the "bad company" fallacy. Imply someone has contravened some unstated position without actually naming that person, then tarring everyone else with the same brush simply because they posted on the same thread/site?

435. Conversation between Richard Dawkins and John Lennox

Comment #207542 by epeeist on July 10, 2008 at 2:22 am

Comment #207533 by emmet

There is no Linux but Linux; Torvalds is the Prophet of Linux.

A demiurge, no more.

St Ignucius is the true prophet

More at http://www.stallman.org

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Comment #207528 by epeeist on July 10, 2008 at 2:02 am

Comment #207515 by Steve Zara

That was one of the most interesting videos on evolution on YouTube (and similar sites) I have ever seen.

It is good isn't it.

If we ever got one of the current crop to actually come up with some kind of answer as to why human and chimp DNA were so similar then this is where I was going to go.

437. Conversation between Richard Dawkins and John Lennox

Comment #207518 by epeeist on July 10, 2008 at 1:46 am

Comment #207507 by Richard Dawkins

Thank you. These are genuinely interesting points you are making. I must think about it further. I suspect that there is room for both ways of doing it -- "hang him" or "let him hang himself" -- the approach advocated by me, and Decius and others.

Richard - I assume that you don't follow the tiresome antics of the theists on this site (the Muslims in the "Venomous Snakes, Slippery Eels and Harun Yahya" thread being the latest set).

The one technique that has been honed here is not to allow them to assume that criticism of, say, evolution validates creationism. Doing this means perpetually being on the back foot, constantly having to respond to the "no transitional forms", "no macro evolution evidence", "Newton was a Christian" arguments.

What seems to work better is to yield the point ("okay, for the moment let us assume the theory of evolution is false") and ask them to provide positive evidence for their position. Keeping them strictly to the point when they wander back to criticism.

This can be coupled with Steve Zara's misericorde, not just "show me the evidence", but "show me the mechanism".

While we haven't converted any of the more rabid theists they do seem to be reduced to acting like Aesop's bullfrog.

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Comment #207487 by epeeist on July 9, 2008 at 11:54 pm

Comment #207470 by Boukeb

How could a loving, all-knowing god not share this valuable information? Is it because he's
1) too stupid to know for himself
2) evil and sadistic
3) non-existing

I'm sorry but this is far too complicated for theists (especially the latest crop to post here) to understand.

You have to offer two choices only. They can then claim that because their holy book says one of them is wrong then the other one must be right.

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Comment #207340 by epeeist on July 9, 2008 at 2:31 pm

Comment #207309 by ertu

Guys sorry but if Richard can not name a positive mutation on an interview, you defending darwinism nonsense on his website doesn't make any sense:)

But as has been pointed out to you. Even if the theory of evolution is wrong it does not validate whatever it is you are pushing.

Please read and answer the questions I have asked you in http://richarddawkins.net/articleComments,2833,UPDATED-Venomous-Snakes-Slippery-Eels-and-Harun-Yahya,Richard-Dawkins,page14#207239

You have offered no evidence or mechanism of an alternative theory to that of evolution. In fact you have not even advanced an alternate hypothesis.

All you have done is criticise the theory of evolution.

What we want is something that is

Accurate
broad in scope
parsimonious
both self-consistent and consistent with other theories
capable of being tested
capable of being falsified

Evidence and mechanisms. You haven't supplied any so far. I don't think you have the acumen to do so and even if you were I remain to be convinced that you actually have an alternative.

The burden of proof is upon you to provide an alternate hypothesis and prove me wrong.

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Comment #207264 by epeeist on July 9, 2008 at 12:10 pm

Comment #207245 by Joe Morreale

Human D.N.A is also similar to that of the worm, the mosquito and the chicken!

Chimpanzees and gorillas have 48 chromosomes versus the 46 in Man.

Yes, we know all that.

But what you haven't done is explain why this should be so. Nor have you explained how all the myriads of animals, plants, bacteria and the like came to be, with the evidence and mechanisms for this.

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Comment #207239 by epeeist on July 9, 2008 at 11:14 am

Comment #207217 by ertu

IN FACT RICHARD COULD NOT GIVE A SINGLE EXAMPLE OF A POSITIVE MUTATION OR AN EVOLUTIONARY PROCESS WHICH SEEMS TO INCREASE THE INFORMATION

As Steve Zara says, you are lying.

But even if you could show that the theory of evolution was false it still would not mean that your theories were true.

Neither you, Joe Morreale or unityfirst are willing or able to demonstrate any evidence or mechanism for your position.

Here are my questions once more.

What is your theory as to how life in all its myriad forms came about. Why are chimpanzee and human DNA so similar

And remember, we want evidence and mechanism. Simply making assertions does not count.

This is about the sixth or seventh time that I have asked this. Your constant evasions and unwillingness to engage indicate that you are unable to provide any positive evidence for your position.

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Comment #207124 by epeeist on July 9, 2008 at 8:08 am

Comment #207117 by Joe Morreale

IT IS ALL OVER

ONCE AGAIN -

So why are you still posting?

Why have you not responded to Al-Rawandi's points?

Why, if your "Islamic Science" is so good can we not post on the web site?

I will ask you the same question I asked of ertu and unityfirst:

What is your alternative theory for the emergence of life in all its varieties? Why are chimpanzee and human DNA so similar?

Note that we want evidence and mechanism for your theory. Simply making assertions will not do.

Oh - and your fucking caps lock is still stuck.

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Comment #207113 by epeeist on July 9, 2008 at 7:51 am

I went to the scienceislam.com site. The first thing that hits you is that it is read only. No forums, no blogs, no place to post anything. No place to agree or disagree with anything on the site.

So the usual Muslim victim-hood, we will come and post total tosh on your site, will not engage with any requests for debate, but will whine as soon as anything is done that prevents us shouting our position. In the mean time we will prevent you from expressing anything on our site.

Oh, and one of the first things I came across on their site "Speaking of Charles Darwin, he was only an armature naturalist"

444. [UPDATED] Venomous Snakes, Slippery Eels and Harun Yahya

Comment #207034 by epeeist on July 9, 2008 at 5:37 am

Comment #207026 by kaph

Have you still not realized that the burden of proof is yours, and not ours?

He has been posting rubbish on the site for what seems like decades.

While he claims to be a Romanian primary school teacher with a BA and MA the consensus of opinion is that he is a sock puppet.

Hence the reason that most people ignore him or alternatively why people like GordonYKWong make a joke of what he posts.

445. IT'S A GODDAMNED CRACKER!

Comment #207024 by epeeist on July 9, 2008 at 5:21 am

Comment #207013 by Tyler Durden

So? It's still a load of horse-shit, and should be called so accordingly.

What next? Ressurection, also a central tenet of Catholicism, gets a free ride?

Ridiculing the whole shebang I can go with (speaking as a lapsed Catholic). Pratting around with a cracker was a wee bit silly.

Total aside and completely anecdotal: it used to be said that the wafers used in mass when I was a youngster were baked by a Jewish company, Matthesons I believe.

446. IT'S A GODDAMNED CRACKER!

Comment #206989 by epeeist on July 9, 2008 at 4:19 am

Comment #206986 by clodhopper

Well if it's transubstantiated into a meat product, should it not be served piping hot?

Never heard of steak tartare?

447. A trip to the Creation Museum

Comment #206943 by epeeist on July 9, 2008 at 2:17 am

Comment #206939 by Barry Pearson

Bay of Fundy?

Place with the highest tides in the world. According to the Mi'kmaq these are caused by a giant whale splashing in the water.

448. [UPDATED] Venomous Snakes, Slippery Eels and Harun Yahya

Comment #206907 by epeeist on July 9, 2008 at 12:58 am

Comment #206744 by kaph

@Fellows who have put up with BS by ertu et al.

Are you on tranquillizers or what? At least 300-400 comments after first trolling and excluding them, and you're still up and arguing? What kind of patience is that? Totally unbelievable. I take my hat off to you all.

Welcome to the site. You do realise that now you have de-lurked we shall be expecting more posts from you?

What you have to realise is that this is a high profile site. There is slim to no chance of educating the likes of ertu. However, there are large numbers of people reading who can be educated. These are the people we are writing for.

The creationists do their cause no good when they do not understand that a problem with evolution is only a problem with evolution. It does not validate their position. They have to raise positive arguments for their alternative hypothesis.

Since there are few if any positive arguments that do not involve miracles then it doesn't take too long before they look ridiculous (yes txpiper, I am looking at you. Ice shell indeed) in that they are in a position that they cannot defend.

449. [UPDATED] Venomous Snakes, Slippery Eels and Harun Yahya

Comment #206903 by epeeist on July 9, 2008 at 12:48 am

Comment #206767 by Brian English

I hope this hasn't become a situation where others feel they can't post, or it's my 'thing' to harangue the dogmatists. Everybody do what they feel is appropriate I say!

It is blatantly obvious that these people are only capable of cutting and pasting criticisms from creationist sites.

Ask them to frame a positive argument for creationism or their god and they fall apart.

I am all for Brian or whoever else is up first pressing them on their alternative hypothesis and anyone else who is about supporting them in this.

450. [UPDATED] Venomous Snakes, Slippery Eels and Harun Yahya

Comment #206315 by epeeist on July 8, 2008 at 9:10 am

Comment #206304 by ertu

The Theory of Evolution has Collapsed

So, still not prepared to engage. You would rather just steal someone else's content.

So what does that make you? A thief for a start off. Scared shitless for a second, too frightened to actually answer the questions that are asked of you. And thirdly, the acolyte of an interior designer who is in prison for rape and blackmail and can't claim to have any scientific knowledge at all.

Marked as a troll.

Josh - could we move these to the alternate thread please.