Podcast with Katherine Stewart – Richard Dawkins, Katherine Stewart, & more speaking in Colorado

Feb 13, 2013

Updated 21 Feb- Are Good News Clubs Good for Our Children? Feb 27 Colorado Springs, Feb 28 Denver, Colorado. Buy tickets now!


Update 18-Feb 

Interview with Richard Dawkins and Katherine Stewart by the Mile High Sanity Project – Denver Colorado

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Richard Dawkins
Katherine Stewart

27-Feb Colorado Springs 7pm Colorado College

28-Feb Denver 7pm Colorado Convention Center, downtown Denver 

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42 comments on “Podcast with Katherine Stewart – Richard Dawkins, Katherine Stewart, & more speaking in Colorado

  • 2
    Mark Lambert says:

    There’s no need to articulate this with any sort of grammar, but just a lot of words. Insidious, disgusting, dangerous, terrifying, wrong (very wrong), apalling, disgusting (already said, but it is), worrying, stupifying and heartbreaking. Also, when will these people understand the meaning of “theory”? They bring it up all the time, thinking it means “just an idea”, not realising “gravity” is also a theory. Simple semantics is giving them arguments.



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    MarcusA1971 says:

    Interesting that they were so open about indoctrinating intellectually defenseless children (4 to 14 rule etc), though they obviously wouldn’t agree with my description of what they’re doing.
    Christians eh? Can’t live with ’em, can’t drown them in a pit filled with maggots and diarrhea.



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    Elisabeth Cornwell says:

    In reply to #2 by endgames420:

    Are Good News Clubs Good for Our Children?

    No. Indoctrination is not good for anything.
    Get ’em while they’re young truly is a disgusting notion no matter what religion we’re talking about.

    Will this debate be recorded for those of us who doesn’t have the opportunity to be there in person?

    The two events are not debates. Katherine Stewart is the author of The Good News Club, which exposes the underlying goals of the organization. Eric Cernyar attended The Good News Club throughout his life, and is now working diligently to try to stop them. Sean Faircloth, will be speaking on issues of separation of church and state. Richard will be there as well. There will be a Q&A session after the lecture, and we hope to galvanize people to take action by alerting their neighbors, friends, school boards, parents, and teachers. Denver is the city that the Good News Club has targeted this year (they target a city every year to spread the news). We want to stop them. Go to Eric’s website for more information http://www.goodnewsclubs.info and pick up a copy of Katherine’s book The Good News Club.

    The event will be filmed, and we will post it on our site shortly after the two events.



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    Elisabeth Cornwell says:

    In reply to #7 by johndhutcheson:

    The video and the chance to meet other concerned people would be well worth the ticket.

    We try to keep the tickets at a low price so most everyone can afford it, it helps to offset the cost of the event. If possible, we will try to hold similar events in other parts of the country. The Good News Club is one of the most pernicious organizations we’ve encountered. The psychological harm they cause is criminal. They hide under free speech and recent Supreme Court decisions by lying about the content of their programs. The schools are often forced into accepting them or they are forced to ban all after school clubs.



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    Elisabeth Cornwell says:

    What child would not be psychologically distressed after being taught the following:

    A sampling of references to Hell in Good News Club lesson materials: “

    Since God is holy (perfect in every way), He hates sin. The Bible says the punishment for sin is to spend forever in a terrible place of darkness and suffering…. God holds you responsible for your sin. You are guilty before Him.” Joseph, p39.
    “The punishment for even one sin is separation from God forever in Hell. You deserve God’s punishment….” Life of Christ 1, p35. When you complain about the meals you are given instead of being grateful, you sin. When you pout because you can’t have your own way or slam your bedroom door so everyone knows you’re angry, you sin. God says sin must be punished and the punishment is separation from God forever in a terrible place called Hell. God hates your sin….” Moses Book 2, p38. “[Y]ou have sinful thoughts …. God says the punishment for sin is to be separated from Him forever in a place of darkness called Hell.” Joseph, p34. “Because you have sinned, you don’t deserve to go to Heaven. Instead, you deserve to go to Hell and be separated from God forever.” Elisha: Prophet of the Faithful God, p10. “Because you have broken God’s laws, you deserve his punishment, which is separation from God forever in a place of pain and sadness called Hell.” Moses Book 1, p43. “God must punish you for your sin. That punishment is separation from Him forever in a terrible place of suffering.” Life of Christ, Book 3, p12. “[Y]ou deserve to be kept away from God forever in a place of darkness and suffering because you are a sinner.” Life of Christ, Book 4, p31. “Because you have sinned, you deserve God’s punishment for sin, which is separation from Him forever in a terrible place. God can’t be near your sin because He is holy (perfect).” Life of Christ, Book 4, p42. “[Y]ou deserve to be punished for your sin too… [T]he punishment you deserve for your sin is to be separated from Him forever in a terrible place of suffering. Unless you follow his plan, you will be punished.” Moses Book

    from: http://www.goodnewsclubs.info/hell2.htm



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    max.tammbeck says:

    I feel fortunate not to have been subjected to the Good News Club as a child. However British state schools are required to carry out a daily act of Christian worship. I remember being disciplined for not praying properly. Surely it is time to separate church from state, and to allow children to be raised without religious indoctrination.



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    Century25 says:

    In reply to #10 by max.tammbeck:

    I feel fortunate not to have been subjected to the Good News Club as a child. However British state schools are required to carry out a daily act of Christian worship. I remember being disciplined for not praying properly. Surely it is time to separate church from state, and to allow children to be raised without religious indoctrination.

    It is time to separate the ‘church’ – cult – from this planet ! ALL LIES ! Inculcating the populace.



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    Century25 says:

    The cults of this planet – whatever they call themselves – they are cults. It is totally illogical that they ever survived this long. Why ? Because they are merely a tool of the syndicate running this little planet. Many of the sheeple call them the ‘new world order’. Wrong ! They are as old as the cults. Best call them as they are: The Military-Industry-Religion-Media-Complex. MIRMC. Or, ‘Mirmac’ – pronounced Mur-mack. Scumbags !!! They are behind all these horrific ‘good news’ BS.

    This societal manipulation began in force, right after they murdered JFK, RFK & MLK. The ‘smilies’ and Sesame street.. etc, etc, etc… SCUMBAGS ! They have wrecked our very highest technological infrastructure ! DESTROYED it. We were once science savvy and were an interplanetary society ! We could do ANYTHING !!!



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    Robert Kubik says:

    I have a question. Are all the children forced to take part in this clubs? I do not think so, because church is separated from state and no one can force atheistic parents to put their children into these clubs. So why are you so furious? I agree that children should be allowed to raise without indoctrination, but it is impossible. Atheistic parents indoctrinate their children by atheism and it is not banned so Christian parents should be allowed to tell their children about God too.
    When they get older they will decide what they want to believe anyway.



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    Messier82 says:

    Was that YMCA by the Villiage People that they were playing for the children? We had this at my school and it failed. We mocked them so much that they did not attempt a return. Even my parents tried this and failed as their child did not turn out to be as stupid as they were. They could not even concieve how evolution worked so they hustled off to their little church where they were told what to think and the rest of their life was a mess. Yeah dad, I loved the lies, the adultery and your other good christian morals.



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    Grombler says:

    It’s happening in the UK too! Check out The Titus Trust. http://www.titustrust.org/index.php
    Seems pretty innocuous, doesn’t it. The literature they spread around many independent schools sucks parents into believing their kids will just be going to fun activity holiday centres. But their whole focus is on subverting young minds when they get there. This is what they state in their declaration to the Charities Commission about why they exist:- Can you see any of this on their website?

    THE TRUST PROVIDES FUN ACTIVITY HOLIDAYS FOR YOUNG PEOPLE AT WHICH THE CORE TRUTHS OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH ARE EXPLORED. IN ADDITION, THE TRUST SUPPORTS CHRISTIAN TEACHERS IN SCHOOLS AS THEY RUN CHRISTIAN MEETINGS AND ENCOURAGE YOUNG PEOPLE TO ATTEND THE HOLIDAYS. THE TRUST SEEKS TO BE TRANSPARENT IN ITS WORK AND HAS THE SUPPORT OF PARENTS, CHURCH LEADERS AND SENIOR FIGURES IN UK EDUCATION.

    They MUST be exposed for what they are doing to young minds in the UK without parents’ knowledge, irrespective of whether you believe in the stuff they peddle or not.



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    MarcusA1971 says:

    In reply to #16 by Robert Kubik:

    I have a question. Are all the children forced to take part in this clubs? I do not think so, because church is separated from state and no one can force atheistic parents to put their children into these clubs. So why are you so furious? I agree that children should be allowed to raise without indoctrination, but it is impossible. Atheistic parents indoctrinate their children by atheism and it is not banned so Christian parents should be allowed to tell their children about God too.

    When they get older they will decide what they want to believe anyway.

    Sorry, but this is BS. No, the children are not forced to go to these Good News Club “classes”. But these things are clearly portrayed to children as part of the curriculum, and can K to 6th grade children tell the difference? I doubt it.
    As to atheist parents indoctrinating children into atheism? I assume that you think Richard Dawkins’ children’s book “The Magic of Reality” was trying to indoctrinate children into atheism, but of course it wasn’t. It was merely teaching science to a young audience. All of the explanations of natural phenomena in that book are known with an extremely high level of confidence – in other words are “true”. And there is nothing wrong with telling children how the world actually is. I suspect most, if not all, atheist parents raise their children in this way.
    Finally, if Christian parents want to lie to intellectually defenseless children about talking snakes and first century jewish carpenters with super powers they can, but they should do it at home or in their specially designed indoctrination centers (aka “churches). They shouldn’t do it in schools, especially tax payer funded ones.
    Here endeth the lesson.



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  • 22
    Xr00t3edx says:

    After having said that 86% of people that except Christ are between the ages of four and fourteen out loud and not having some sort of horrible emotional reaction makes you a monster.



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    zonotrichia says:

    Clearly, these clubs send a terrible message to children. However, these are not compulsory school activities – just one of many after-hours activities from which parents and children can choose. Is it the function of a school district to censor the speech of every user of its buildings during off hours? It seems to me that the obvious solution is to become informed about what these clubs are teaching and choose to not send your kids to them or, better, to offer a volunteer-run “fun with science” or “we like logic” club to compete in the local marketplace of ideas.



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    Magorian says:

    In reply to #26 by zonotrichia:

    Clearly, these clubs send a terrible message to children. However, these are not compulsory school activities – just one of many after-hours activities from which parents and children can choose. Is it the function of a school district to censor the speech of every user of its buildings during off hours? It seems to me that the obvious solution is to become informed about what these clubs are teaching and choose to not send your kids to them or, better, to offer a volunteer-run “fun with science” or “we like logic” club to compete in the local marketplace of ideas.

    This is insufficient, because part of what the kids are taught in these after school events is to proselytize to other children. Often forcefully. It’s divisive, and creates a poor learning environment in the school. Take the time to watch the documentary above.



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    Zenkukai says:

    My brother and I attended a Catholic school from kindergarten to grade 8 and were taught by the Sisters of St. Joseph. For eight impressionable years, we were required to study and recite a book known as a catechism. A catechism is a series of questions and answers and outlines the principal tenets of the Catholic faith. Catholic children study it as part of their religious education. Without exaggeration, it was no different than Muslim children being fed the Quran from a young age until their critical thinking faculties are completely destroyed.

    It’s frightening to me that this kind of forcible indoctrination is now taking place in American public schools.

    Have a look at these Good News Club Review Questions for preschoolers and young children.

    Good News Club Preschool Review Question:

    Review Question #4: “What is your punishment for sin if you don’t get saved?”
    Answer children encouraged to give: “Being away from God forever; not going to Heaven.” Moses: The Lawgiver, Lesson 4, p35

    Good News Club Review Questions for Children Aged 5-12:

    Review Question #10: “What is the punishment for sin?”
    Answer children encouraged to give: “Separation from God forever in a terrible place called Hell.” Life of Christ Book 2, Lesson 4, p31

    Review Questions #4: “What is God’s punishment for sin?”
    Answer children encouraged to give: “Separation from God forever in a terrible place of punishment.” Joseph, Lesson 1, p14

    Review Questions #5: “What is God’s punishment for sin?”
    Answer children encouraged to give: “Separation from God forever in a terrible place of suffering and darkness.” Joseph, Lesson 3, p29

    Review Question #3: “What punishment do you deserve for sin?”
    Answer children encouraged to give: “Separation from God forever in a place of suffering.” Life of Christ Book 4, Lesson 5, p40

    Review Question #2: “What punishment do you deserve for sin?”
    Answer children encouraged to give: “To be separated from God forever in a terrible place of punishment.” Esther, Lesson 5, p42

    Review Question #7: “What kind of death do you need to be saved from?”
    Answer children encouraged to give: “The eternal separation from God you deserve because of your sin.” Moses: Choses Deliverer, Lesson 4, p31.

    http://www.goodnewsclubs.info/hell3.htm



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    rocket888 says:

    As bad as religious schools are, the public schools (at least in the US) are even worse. Talk about indoctrination! The BS that I was forced to regurgitate during my years in public schools is just as bad. We were taught that it’s ok for the US to invade countries and kill innocent civilians, since they were only collateral damage. We were taught that but for the US’s greatest generation, Hillter would have ruled the world. So we built up Stalin, who killed more people than Hittler, then had a cold war for 40 years with the country run by the leader we called uncle Joe.

    Looking at the US today is getting to be quite the same as looking at the world George Orwell described in 1984. Yet we are taught that government can do no wrong, provided it’s democratic. So, when 51% vote to tax the other 49% or the poor vote to rob the rich, it’s ok, because Democracy is our new God. And the prophets of this new religion are the jerks holding office. And the public schools just keep on feeding us the propaganda that the government is our God.

    Remember, the bloodiest century in the history of the world was the 20th and that was not because of religion; it was because we love to kill other people – when we call it war. Now doesn’t that sound a bit like all the killing in the Old Testament Bible? How can people be so blinded by hate of religion that they don’t even see that the replacement is much worse.



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    MarcusA1971 says:

    In reply to #31 by rocket888:

    As bad as religious schools are, the public schools (at least in the US) are even worse. Talk about indoctrination! The BS that I was forced to regurgitate during my years in public schools is just as bad. We were taught that it’s ok for the US to invade countries and kill innocent civilians, since they were only collateral damage. We were taught that but for the US’s greatest generation, Hillter would have ruled the world. So we built up Stalin, who killed more people than Hittler, then had a cold war for 40 years with the country run by the leader we called uncle Joe….etc

    A few problems here. While I have no direct experience of the US public school system, any teacher that acts as an apologist for a government administration is not doing their job properly. However, I am disinclined to believe what the author of the post says, based on what they say later and the fact they can’t spell “Hitler.”
    Yes, the allies during WWII did a deal with the devil to fight the Nazis – Stalin. They deemed that Nazi Germany posed a greater threat than Stalin did, even though it later turned out that Stalin actually killed more people than Hitler. However, to criticize Churchill and Roosevelt for their decision to aid the Soviets is to claim that Hitler wouldn’t have killed any more people had he won the war. Also, as France and England were attacked by Germany, they didn’t really have much choice but to fight back. And the US was in pretty much the same situation, even though Germany only declared war on them, not directly attacked.
    Your next point about Obama raising the tax on the rich being the equivalent to imposing a 1984 style tyranny is just plain retarded. Has Obama suspended democracy by cancelling elections? (Hint: Think back to what happened last November ). Are people being arbitrarily “re-educated” into believing 2 plus 2 equals 5, or other such nonsense, under threat of torture or death? (Hint: No). Have critics of the administration, for example Rupert Murdoch’s sycophants at Fox News, been subject to government threats and intimidation, arbitrary detention or even having their broadcasting license suspended? (Hint: No, they haven’t). So these sort of claims about the collapse of democracy and freedom of expression are nothing but the scaremongering of idiots for the benefit of other idiots.
    Now we get to your suggestion that religious education is necessary because without it we would repeat the first half of the 20th Century. Well, atheism and secularism do not equate to nazism or communism. It is possible to teach science to children, for example heliocentrism, electro-magnetism and evolution, without having them come away with the message “kill all jews” (or counter-revolutionaries, or other “undesirables”.)
    So no Rocket888, we atheists are not blinded by hate of religion – quite the contrary. We have our eyes wide open and can see how bad it really is.



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    MarcusA1971 says:

    Rocket888, one other thing. Democracy is a political system, not a god. How can we tell? Ask yourself, does anyone pray to “democracy”? Was “democracy” sacrificed for our sins? Does anyone hope to live in paradise after their death with “democracy?” If you have answered “no” to these questions, you can be pretty sure that nobody considers democracy a god.



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  • 31
    Robert Kubik says:

    What is the purpose of this anti good news clubs campaign? If it is to warn parents it is OK as you are democratic country yet.

    But if the purpose is to ban them, than you are going to have as democratic country as Soviet Union used to be.
    And what will be the next step? Will it be forbidden to take children to church? Will parents who tell their children about God go to prison?

    My country became a comunistic country in 1948. My grandparents told me that communists reduced the religious and political freedom SLOWLY until there was no freedom at all. And the first step was to ban religion at schools and to introduce compulsory atheistic education. Second step was that believers were not allowed to study at university.



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    scottburdick says:

    In reply to #35 by Robert Kubik:

    What is the purpose of this anti good news clubs campaign? If it is to warn parents it is OK as you are democratic country yet.

    But if the purpose is to ban them, than you are going to have as democratic country as Soviet Union used to be.
    And what will be the next step? Will it be forbidden to take children to church? Will parents who tell their children about God go to prison?

    My country became a comunistic country in 1948. My grandparents told me that communists reduced the religious and political freedom SLOWLY until there was no freedom at all. And the first step was to ban religion at schools and to introduce compulsory atheistic education. Second step was that believers were not allowed to study at university.

    I don’t thing you understand what the Separation of Church and State means. Not allowing religion in public institutions is not the same a banning religion. Good News Clubs have every right to teach their message of Hell to children as long as it isn’t in publicly-funded schools. I would say the same thing about any religion, or even promoting atheism in schools.

    As James Dunn (a Baptist Minister) pointed out so eloquently in the film, the Separation of Church and State both protects the Church from the State as well as the State from the Church. So yes, this campaign is meant both to warn parents who might inadvertently sign their children up for an extremist group’s indoctrination class without knowing what they really teach, as well as to someday reverse this terrible Supreme Court Decision.

    Somehow, I think that if it had been a group of Atheists who were setting up in schools to target young children and train them to hand out Atheist pamphlets to their classmates during school, the conservative Christians on the court would have voted quite differently.



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    Robert Kubik says:

    scottburdick,

    If the aim is the separation schools from any ideology I do not mind. But it seems that the following aim is to pass the law “protecting” children from indoctrination so consequenly separate them from their parents. It was my impression from the comments in this disucssion.



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    scottburdick says:

    Parents are free to teach whatever religion the want at home or at their church, but the state and public schools must remain neutral in this area. Parents of every religious belief should be able to send their children to public schools without the fear that they will be targeted by religious groups while at school, making it a safe and neutral place for all children.

    The GNC claims that teaching evolution is atheist indoctrination, but this is nonsense, since there are plenty of religions that believe in evolution so it isn’t something that is specific to atheism. Science is based on evidence, rather than faith, and that is what needs to be taught in science classes. Science is not an “ideology” but a process of logical thinking that can be applied to the world to determine what is true and what is false.

    In the US religion is given special protections and tax breaks specifically because it is understood to be different than other forms of speech and ideologies. It is also understood to present unique dangers when mixed with government because of the history of theocracies to use indoctrination and force when in power. Europe and our own history before the revolution is replete with examples of this and our founders knew the dangers.

    In reply to #37 by Robert Kubik:

    scottburdick,

    If the aim is the separation schools from any ideology I do not mind. But it seems that the following aim is to pass the law “protecting” children from indoctrination so consequenly separate them from their parents. It was my impression from the comments in this disucssion.



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    Dublin-atheist says:

    Exactly what the drug and health companies in the us want is, ignorant,scared,stupid people who shy away from science and with it medical advances eg: stem cell research.



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    Eugenius says:

    It’s become revolting after 5 minutes of watching it, children abuse, legalized criminal activity, but there’s also other side of the coin. Children didn’t go there on their own, parents brought them there, parents have to fight for freedom of thought, bright and intellectual fearlessness future of their children, fathers and mothers have to defend their children from god-like people as lioness defends her cub from predators.



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    Rational Ape says:

    I attended the Colorado Springs event, and as you probably know by now the Good Doctor had quite a cold. During the book signing I pointed out he was a walking evolution laboratory, which earned me a strained smile (because he was too sick to laugh, or because he was being polite?). Of course someone somewhere (perhaps noGod punishing me for being an atheist) gets the last laugh, as I seem to be coming down with a cold now. I feel strangely honored.



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  • 38
    richard.ewald.7 says:

    In reply to #42 by bluebird:

    Protest planned for March 9 children’s good news event.

    Down the road from Raleigh (setting of Scott’s film), in Winston-Salem. It starts an hour from now.

    We really need to start protesting these exploiters of children where ever they pitch their bait and switch scam.

    GNC’s flyers and posters are very slick, colourful and evoke free Disneyland-like fun, no mention of religion, or CEF’s real dark purpose. One thing I would recommend (that we didn’t have time to do), is to have a more professional information package with an accompanying DVD of Scott’s fantastic documentary, to offer the parents who don’t know the whole story.

    ~ RIchard



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    Sue Blue says:

    Yes, these clubs are “voluntary” in the sense that parents have to sign a consent form to allow their children to attend. And yes, there are other after-school activities that use school facilities without a problem. However, the GNC actively promotes the proselytization of kids by other kids during school hours, using tactics of peer pressure, guilt, shame, and social isolation. Katherine Stewart’s book makes clear that both children and parents are made very aware of who is and is not attending GNC meetings, and this has caused deep and serious divisions in the student body, between parents, and the community at large. In every school district surveyed that had a GNC club, it created divisive politics and serious social rifts, which other clubs and school activities don’t. Do you see people seriously threatening others, blacklisting businesses, vandalizing homes, and pulling their kids out of schools over science fairs, chess club or band?And clearly the GNC understands and uses the aura of legitimacy provided by having meetings in a school. When offered the use of a church or other public buildings in districts which tried to refuse the use of a school, the GNC refused, and promptly sued the school district.In reply to #26 by zonotrichia:

    Clearly, these clubs send a terrible message to children. However, these are not compulsory school activities – just one of many after-hours activities from which parents and children can choose. Is it the function of a school district to censor the speech of every user of its buildings during off hours? It seems to me that the obvious solution is to become informed about what these clubs are teaching and choose to not send your kids to them or, better, to offer a volunteer-run “fun with science” or “we like logic” club to compete in the local marketplace of ideas.



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  • To teach – to help to learn. To evangelise – to zealously advocate any of certain Protestant sects. (Collins)In reply to #16 by Robert Kubik:

    I have a question. Are all the children forced to take part in this clubs? I do not think so, because church is separated from state and no one can force atheistic parents to put their children into these clubs. So why are you so furious? I agree that children should be allowed to raise without indoctrination, but it is impossible. Atheistic parents indoctrinate their children by atheism and it is not banned so Christian parents should be allowed to tell their children about God too.
    When they get older they will decide what they want to believe anyway.



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