Debunking Christianity: Questions In Genesis: Ken Ham’s Creationist Shtick

Sep 4, 2013

I have a confession to make. Over a decade ago, I took my family to a Ken Ham creationism event. My kids were taught that dinosaurs and humans coexisted, a few thousand years ago, and they also learned a magic phrase – one guaranteed to stop evolutionists in their tracks. More on that later.

In a presentation for the adults, Ken talked about how evolution attacks the very foundation of Christianity – the book of Genesis. After all, if Genesis is not literally true, then there was no Adam and Eve, no Fall of mankind through eating a forbidden fruit. No Original Sin. No need for a savior. This is something which I actually agree with Ken on. 

Ken and his cohorts see themselves as valiant warriors, defending the Fortress of Faith from the attacks of evolution, humanism, and atheism. This is what ‘creation science’ is: an attempt to keep people from abandoning the belief that Genesis is an actual account of how the universe and life on Earth came to be. Since this ‘science’ doesn’t (and cannot) make any discoveries, it mainly consists of two things: making uninformed people distrust evolution, while trying to turn the Genesis stories into a plausible model for how things were, in the early days of the human race. Young Earth Creationists are in defense mode because they are locked in their Scripture castle, prisoners to their own beliefs, while Science is out exploring the world. Real science has the ability to update and correct, based on new discoveries – something which Bible-loving fundamentalists can never do. Songwriter Tim Minchin sums this up concisely in his song Storm


Here is Ken’s magic question for evolutionists: “Were you there?” Because of course, Ham knows the Big Guy Upstairs, who was there and who helpfully wrote it all down in a book called the Bible so that Fundamentalist homeschoolers could learn science from ancient, nomadic sheep-herders. Well, Ken, I have a question for you: “Were you there… when the book of Genesis was written?“

No? I didn’t think so.

Written By: John Loftus
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0 comments on “Debunking Christianity: Questions In Genesis: Ken Ham’s Creationist Shtick

  • 1
    Alan4discussion says:

    Here is Ken’s magic question for evolutionists: “Were you there?”

    The Roman Empire ruled the area around the Mediterranean for centuries. – Were you there?

    Columbus discovered America in 1492. – Were you there?

    Henry VIII suppressed the Catholic domination of England and set up the Church of England! – Were you there?

    Some idiot called Ham set up a “Creation Museum” to illustrate his stupidity! – Were you there?

    Then HE wrote simplistic questions which HE thought were clever and too difficult for people with real working brains to answer. Were you really taking him seriously? ( I think he has just scored 0% for history)
    ….. . … . .

    Good grief!! – Things happen in the real world when we are not present or not looking!
    Who would have thunk it?

    I suppose we have to make allowances for intellects which cannot envisage numbers of beans or thousands of years, with using fingers to help with the computations. One, two, free, four, fumb ….. and – one from the other hand makes six – see 6,000 years old!



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    Blasphemyman says:

    Ken Ham struggles to maintain a business based on pure bullshit.
    One wonders whether he is ever heckled when talking his tosh?



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    Stevehill says:

    Debunking Ken Ham is a lot easier than debunking Christianity. They are two very different things. Probably 99% of Christians also think Ham is an away-with-the-fairies loony-toon as well.

    Mainstream Catholicism is pretty relaxed about evolution, and the Big Bang (first postulated by a Catholic priest), although they cling to the dogma that God lit the fuse, so to speak.

    Don’t get me wrong: I think Christianity – and any belief in any deity – is simply mistaken. But Ham is a totally unrepresentative extremist. It’s like shooting fish in a barrel going for the extremists, because they are basically as dumb as hell. Better to go for the central tenet (“God”) itself.

    The highest respect you can, or need, to pay to Ham is to completely ignore him, lest he starts to think his views might remotely matter to anyone. (If suckers want to give him millions to build arks, that’s their funeral).



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  • “Were you there” — strangely enough yes. The reason is light has finite speed and the universe is expanding. Light from the beginning of the universe is just reaching us now

    We have all kinds of tools to look back in time e.g. carbon 14, sediment layers, other isotopes, fossil record, mathematics, quantum physics. Christians have no tools other than a book made up by desert dwellers who had only the most primitive understanding of how the universe works. They thought the earth was flat (hardly a teaching of the creator of the universe).



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    Chuck Johnson says:

    The Doctor: The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don’t alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit their views. Which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering.



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  • “Every time someone believes in evolution, an angel dies. That’s why creationism matters to me.”

    Ken Ham
    Founder, Answers in Genesis

    Really?



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    flamenco says:

    “Science adjusts its views based on what’s observed.

    Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved.”

    Spot on, Tim Minchin. Spot on.



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    Christiana Magdalene Moodley says:

    I heard that a creation museum worker was struck by lightning last month. Wonder what Ken Ham makes of that.

    Maybe it was Thor,angered by the disrespect of the Christians who fail to acknowledge him.



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    Stafford Gordon says:

    Further to my last: arguing with individuals so disturbed and ignorant as to believe in creationism and intelligent design is futile; they’re lost to the real world.

    However, every effort must be made to protect children from them; they must not be permitted to inflict on youngsters fallacious unfalsifiable nonsense.

    When people say things like, oh let them believe what ever they like, I know that they have no idea just how deviously religion can make people behave, and what lengths believers will go to to maintain and preserve their myths and lies; I’m put in mind of what Julius Caesar says apropos of devious men such as Cassius: “And therefore are they very dangerous.”

    I don’t think that that’s overstating them matter!



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    ikinmoore says:

    Yet again I have to ask the question ….have any creationist ever published a science paper on this very subject. A Paper which proves beyond any reasonable doubt that the earth is 6000 years old and dinosars walked with man. I like to know this !!



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    Alan4discussion says:

    In reply to #15 by ikinmoore:

    Yet again I have to ask the question ….have any creationist ever published a science paper on this very subject. A Paper which proves beyond any reasonable doubt that the earth is 6000 years old and dinosars walked with man. I like to know this !!

    No reputable scientific journal would publish such rubbish, so creationists have set up some fake journals where fake “peer-reviewers”, are required to be creationist pseudo-scientists. These are not scientific journals, but they pretend to be.

    There has also been the occasional pseudo-science paper which (very rarely) some gullible editor publishes before the scientist members of the scientific body jump on him and retract it, – while the YECs howl “scientific establishment conspiracy”!

    There are some books and articles by creationists who have somehow acquired some scientific qualifications, but the arguments in these (while looking plausible to the scientifically uneducated), are rapidly demolished by real scientists using real science.



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  • 17
    downshifter says:

    “We know that young-earth creationist ministries use dinosaurs like pedophiles use candy.”

    It was worth reading the article just for that.



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    NearlyNakedApe says:

    In reply to #10 by Christiana Magdalene Moodley:

    I heard that a creation museum worker was struck by lightning last month. Wonder what Ken Ham makes of that.

    Maybe it was Thor,angered by the disrespect of the Christians who fail to acknowledge him.

    Or maybe god was simply trying to create a new fast food chain: Kentucky Fried Ham



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    Christiana Magdalene Moodley says:

    (snigger)Just the kind of thing the old testament god would do.Send a plague of Obesity on some already fat creationists. In reply to #18 by NearlyNakedApe:

    In reply to #10 by Christiana Magdalene Moodley:

    I heard that a creation museum worker was struck by lightning last month. Wonder what Ken Ham makes of that.

    Maybe it was Thor,angered by the disrespect of the Christians who fail to acknowledge him.

    Or maybe god was simply trying to create a new…



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    Alan4discussion says:

    In reply to #18 by NearlyNakedApe:

    Or maybe god was simply trying to create a new fast food chain: Kentucky Fried Ham

    A variation to create new fast simplistic knee-jerk answers for Kentucky Fried Brains??? perhaps??



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