Evangelical Christians urge secular education in Ireland

Sep 16, 2014

By Patsy McGarry

 

Evangelical Alliance Ireland (EAI) has called for a secular educational system in Irish schools, as proposed by Atheist Ireland.

Commenting on debate prompted by calls from Dr Ali Selim of Dublin’s Islamic Cultural Centre for “a revolution of inclusivity” in Irish schools , EAI has said its position was closer to that of Atheist Ireland.

Responding to the calls by Dr Selim in his book Islam and Education in Ireland,launched in Trinity College last night, Atheist Ireland highlighted the lack of integration and inclusivity in State-funded Muslim schools and called for a secular education system with religion passed on through families, mosques and churches.

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11 comments on “Evangelical Christians urge secular education in Ireland

  • Funny how Christians, when another religion threatens to knock them off their pedestal they want secularism.

    I was listening to this American Life this week and they had a podcast on what happens when a local Jewish community took over a school board (in a school district in which none sent their children). Worth listening to what happens when any one religious group reaches a position of power. Worth a listen, it’s dynamite.

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  • It amazes me how liberal and tolerant religions can be when they are a minority in a country, as it is the case of Evangelical Christians in Ireland. The Roman Catholic Church also preaches tolerance when it is a minority creed in some countries. The problem arises when a religion is a majority, then they demand to have their own education establishments, on the part of the RCC in Ireland and elsewhere, and interfere with science teaching like in the US, on the part of the Evangelical Christians. A good exercise on hypocrisy.



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  • actions to be applauded, motivation to be condemmed.

    it’s the poor believers i feel sorry for, one minute told secluarism bad, then told secularism good but as pointed out above it’s normal behaviour for minority religions to take the high ground of pluralism.

    catholicism is losing so much power in ireland that we’re seeing a gentle protestant uprising here. once the church has lost all it’s power secularism will go back to being a “bad” thing



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  • Odalrich Sep 17, 2014 at 11:18 am

    It amazes me how liberal and tolerant religions can be when they are a minority in a country, as it is the case of Evangelical Christians in Ireland.

    If some polls are correct, they had better get used to it in England too!

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/dec/24/religion-respecting-the-minority
    Respecting the minority

    Every year, researchers from the British Social Attitudes survey ask a representative sample of British people whether they regard themselves as belonging to any particular religion and, if so, to which one? When the survey first asked these questions in 1985, 63% of the respondents answered that they were Christians, compared with 34% who said they had no religion (the rest belonged to non-Christian religions).

    Today, a quarter of a century on, there has been a steady and remarkable turnaround. In the latest 2010 BSA report, published earlier this month, only 42% said they were Christians while 51% now say they have no religion. Admittedly, some other surveys – including the last census – have produced different findings on these issues, usually to the advantage of the religious option. There is also a margin of error in all such exercises. All the same, and particularly since the trends in opinion over time seem well set, it is hard not to feel that this latest finding marks a cultural watershed.

    http://old.www.richarddawkins.net/articles/645255-atheists-likely-to-outnumber-christians-in-england-in-20-years

    Christianity is waning in England and could be outnumbered by nonbelievers within 20 years, according to a new study.



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  • Would that were the case in the U.S., Alan. Some U.S. states still have provisions in their state Constitutions forbidding atheists from holding public office. I believe them to be unenforceable as, in my eyes (I’m actively seeking clarification), those provisions violate the 1st Amendment’s “Establishment Clause,” the 14th Amendment’s “Equal Protection Clause,” and Article VI’s “No Religious Test Clause” and “Supremacy Clause.” The South Carolina Supreme Court has already ruled on the side of the Supremacy Clause in Silverman v. Campbell (326 S.C. 208, 486 S.E.2d 1 (1997), where a potential Notary Public was initially denied that status by the Governor because he chose to strike through the words “so help me God” from his written oath, but the exclusionary language still remains on the books in that state, as well as others. The U.S. Constitution’s Supremacy Clause reads as follows (the murky language, which has been open to interpretation, is in bold italics):

    This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding.

    Yes, it’s a bit off topic, but I think it speaks to the same broad issue of one belief, being held by a majority, can insinuate itself into the generally accepted public discourse. Thankfully, in the case of Silverman, legality (in my opinion) prevailed over bullying based on sheer numbers.



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  • Bloody good idea, posting pertinent / interesting articles of our own;

    (stage-whisper – let’s see if the mods will allow it)



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