‘Putting the Religious Right on notice’

Jul 14, 2015

by Lou Chibbaro Jr.

Americans United for Separation of Church and State launched a new initiative on Tuesday that it says will fight the “growing idea that ‘religious freedom’ gives people a right to thwart marriage equality for LGBT Americans.”

At a news conference at the National Press Club, Americans United’s top three leaders said the group’s new ‘Protect Thy Neighbor’ project would also challenge efforts by the religious right to deny women access to reproductive care and use taxpayer dollars to discriminate.

“Same-sex couples may have won the right to marry, but that doesn’t mean that extreme fundamentalist zealots who oppose any expansion of LGBT rights are going to sit by quietly,” said Rev. Barry W. Lynn, an attorney who serves as executive director of Americans United.

“In fact, we know what’s coming,” said Lynn. “They will try to erect as many barriers as possible on the road to true equality. It’s an immature reaction, yes, but that doesn’t mean it won’t get traction.”


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11 comments on “‘Putting the Religious Right on notice’

  • I suppose it is a matter of family ties and the strength of the religious meme that makes LGB couples want a church wedding.

    When civil weddings and civil partnerships are available, we need to ask, “Why don’t LGB couples just go for the wedding, and dump the bigoted religion which discriminates against them?”

    After all, who needs the approval of a religion for a partnership with a loved one?



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  • But now, we’re seeing bakers […] we will argue in court

    Starting to hurt in the pocket-book.

    Devil’s advocate: If the above suit for personal damages sets a precedent, will it be fair to flail upon businesses a “do it or else!” mandate?

    Also, who would want services / goods that are given without love, so to speak?



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  • “Religious freedom” means to devoutly religious people of religious groups that they have the right to cram their beliefs down everyone else’s throats and do it with threats of damnation to hell, bombings, and stoning to death of anyone who violates their beliefs. After all, it is THEY who have the absolute truth about everything.

    And then we have the bleeding heart liberals who are so accepting, so understanding, and so magnanimous that believe everyone should have their “religious freedom.” Remember the ruling of the US Supreme Court on the Hobby Lobby case. 7 out of the 9 justices are Roman Catholics. It was surprising that their 5 to 4 ruling on same sex marriage was favorable to the LGBT population. That means , of course, that 4 justices in the highest court in the land wanted to enforce their beliefs on everyone else. This so called “religious freedom” is a SCAM, a devious means to take all of us back to an atavistic way of life.



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  • 5
    NearlyNakedApe says:

    Also, who would want services / goods that are given without love, so to speak?

    Yes I see your point and I tend to agree. After all, a bakery is a business and a business cannot survive without customers. So if they refuse to provide goods and services to gay couples based on their views, perhaps we should simply let them and let the market forces weed them out eventually?

    After all, there are other bakeries who will gladly bake wedding cakes for anybody willing to pay, regardless of who they wish to wed, be it an alligator or a table lamp.

    Also, it makes sense that LGBT customers should not reward homophobic bakers by bringing their business to them.

    But I still think they should sue if they can. Why? Because that is the best kind of bad publicity and nothing is more effective in driving them out of business. They don’t belong in business in the first place if they don’t even get the golden rule:

    In business, the customer is King … or Queen (no pun… or maybe a little 😉 )



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  • Like.

    …customer is King…or Queen

    Not to hard headed bible thumpers who maintain that “God’s law comes before man’s law”.

    I would bet a few businesses are willing to go bankrupt, just to prove that point. Fool’s folly.



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  • Who said anything at all about a “church wedding”, Alan4?? No one I know.

    The “marriage” vows taken which legally marry a couple also involve a third party, namely, the “state” (“By the power vested in me”– the power being the state– or gov’t). So, consider that every “union” is a contract between the couple & the state. This is the only marriage which legally stands in our society. It is the only one which affords rights & privileges– which should not be held from those committed couples, gay or straight to enter into voluntarily & consensually.

    I prefer to turn this tired question around & ask all the anti-marriage equality people: how about YOU give up the rights & privileges of the SECULAR state marriage & simply marry in your chosen church. That should be superior to the SECULAR marriage, right? After all, it’s a church ceremony– what could be better than that? Right?



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  • And imagine if civil rights had been granted, yet all businesses could continue to bar blacks/African-Americans from service, employment, etc? Think there would have been much change if that had been the way it went?

    No- the laws change to reflect our own growth as a species, imho. There are those for whom any change is tantamount to death. The unfortunate truth is that sometimes you must insist in order to see the change become successful. I want to see every one of those bigots (& most ARE bigots, hiding behind a purported, pseudo-religious cloak) sued, if that’s what it takes.



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  • TracyF
    Jul 16, 2015 at 6:12 am

    This is the only marriage which legally stands in our society. It is the only one which affords rights & privileges– which should not be held from those committed couples, gay or straight to enter into voluntarily & consensually.

    In some countries, that is so, but churches are allowed to act as registrars instead of government offices. Some hotels are also registered as venues where marriages can be registered and ceremonies conducted.

    I prefer to turn this tired question around & ask all the anti-marriage equality people: how about YOU give up the rights & privileges of the SECULAR state marriage & simply marry in your chosen church. That should be superior to the SECULAR marriage, right? After all, it’s a church ceremony– what could be better than that? Right?

    As I understand the US position, the bigoted lobby is trying to allow religious objectors to opt out of conducting gay marriages, as a means of obstructing citizens wishing to use that service.

    For example the RCC will only marry people who are Catholics so non-Catholics marrying Catholics, are pressurised into being baptised and converted to Catholicism before Catholic relatives will recognise their marriage as valid.
    Children are also expected to be brought up as Catholics – and of course subscribe money to the church.

    Religious denominations want it both ways as usual. After all, when civil marriage was first introduced in various countries in the past, they vehemently opposed this in order to try to maintain a monopoly!



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  • I’d guess that the point is that, if you strongly disagree with the Secular State definition of marriage, e.g. because it allows same sex marriage which is against the tenets of your faith. Have nothing to do with the Secular Marriage as defined by the laws of your country, just get married according to the rites of your particular religion and forgo any secular rights you may have under the law as a married couple. After all if you strongly believe that the law of God trumps all secular man-made laws your Church wedding stands above any secular recognition or not of your partnership.



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  • Chris
    Jul 16, 2015 at 9:34 am

    I’d guess that the point is that, if you strongly disagree with the Secular State definition of marriage, e.g. because it allows same sex marriage which is against the tenets of your faith. Have nothing to do with the Secular Marriage as defined by the laws of your country, just get married according to the rites of your particular religion and forgo any secular rights you may have under the law as a married couple.

    Where there are tax allowances or shared pension rights, for married couples, only state registered marriages are recognised as eligible. Money seems to have considerable influences on “faith”!



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