Ben Carson: ‘It Takes a Lot More Faith to Believe in Evolution’ Than ‘To Believe in God’

Oct 13, 2015

AP

By Michael W. Chapman

Dr. Ben Carson, a pediatric neurosurgeon, a member of the distinguished National Academy of Sciences Institute of Medicine, and the author of six best selling books, said that it takes faith to believe in God and to believe in evolution because both are “religion,” and he stressed that it requires “a lot more faith to believe in evolution.”

“I think it’s quite evident from what you’ve seen tonight, it takes faith to believe in God, it takes faith to believe in evolution,” said Dr. Carson during a speech at the Celebration of Creation conference, as reported by the Adventist News Network.

“I think it takes a lot more faith to believe in evolution than it does to believe in God,” he said.


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36 comments on “Ben Carson: ‘It Takes a Lot More Faith to Believe in Evolution’ Than ‘To Believe in God’

  • @OP -Dr. Ben Carson, a pediatric neurosurgeon, a member of the distinguished National Academy of Sciences Institute of Medicine

    It seems he has been the “read it off the anatomy handbook”, type of surgeon without understanding the biology, and a dispenser the medicine according to the pharmaceutical manufacturer’s instruction guide. – essentially a puffed up medical technician relying on science provided by other people!
    Clearly he has no understanding of biological research!
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  • @OP – Ben Carson: ‘It Takes a Lot More Faith to Believe in Evolution’ Than ‘To Believe in God’

    It probably does , – if you use “faith-thinking” in place of scientific study, objective observations, and empirical research!
    With bucket-loads of “faith”, believers can believe or disbelieve anything they like in their own little fantasy worlds!
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  • Ben Carson displays his ignorance of geology and its processes with some style :

    “You look at the geological layers – it makes perfectly good sense that that was done by a worldwide flood. You look at the fact that there are crustaceans on the top of the Andes Mountains – it makes perfectly good sense that there was a flood.”

    No Mr Carson ! It shows that those high parts of the current Earth’s surface were once under the oceans, – for millions of years ! Not one bloody year ! The man is arguing for the validity of Noah’s flood, indeed stating it as fact. Very dodgy ground Mr Carson !

    Too bad the ancient Chinese, American and other civilisations never recorded this worldwide flood, nor that honest geologists have never found any evidence of it. Indeed the first honest geologists went looking for the evidence of the flood, but were forced to admit that the Earth was far older than what Archbishop James Ussher’s chronology had suggested for the age of the Earth and the universe. ( 23rd October 4004 bc.)
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  • So floods are signs of religion are they? there is evidence of floods everywhere, there was a flood last week somewhere in the world, so what is this pretend scientist trying to tell us? A delusion!
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  • zula
    Oct 13, 2015 at 4:03 pm

    what is this pretend scientist trying to tell us? A delusion!

    He is telling us he is so ignorant of astronomy, geology, mathematics, and science, that he is a Young Earth Creationist who believes in Noah’s global flood, and reads trash-websites as information sources for pseudo-science blitherings on fossils!

    Alternatively he could just be a lying politician who will tell any audience whatever he thinks they want to hear!
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  • Yes, exactly.

    You can learn to fly an aircraft by the numbers without understanding the theory behind it. But if something goes wrong a understanding of the physics behind how the whole thing stays up there is essential. This guy is essentially relying on research and understanding that relies on understanding real science which would have gotten no-where without and understanding of real sciences like biology. Essentially this guy is a parasite.

    I know there is people on this site who disagree with this stance but the moment I find out my Doctor doesn’t believe in something like evolution or believes the earth is really only 6000 years old is the moment that they stop being my doctor.
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  • This guy should have Facebook glowing with posts about his stupidity. Americans need to humiliate him on social media. Maybe they are. Would love to know from users.
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  • zula
    Oct 13, 2015 at 4:03 pm

    So floods are signs of religion are they?

    Biblical flood stories are!! – even if we know the original stories the plagiarists copied from – and then got the the size of the flood, materials and the shape wrong centuries later!!

    http://blog.britishmuseum.org/2014/01/24/was-the-ark-round-a-babylonian-description-discovered/
    Was the ark round? A Babylonian description discovered – Irving Finkel, curator, British Museum
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  • Olgun

    I haven’t seen any lawn signs promoting Carson but the lawn signs promoting Trump are ubiquitous. I’ve driven past plenty of houses with several signs out along the road for Trump and banners draped across porches. They are bright red, white and blue and garish. When I drive by these places I think, “Idiots live here.” This is the Boston area. I’m going to New Hampshire this weekend. That’s the state just to the north. They have a substantial redneck population. I will make some observations there.
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    Miserablegit says:

    Thanks to Rupert Murdoch, everyone became aware of Ben Carson and now they are ready to laugh at his so called science knowledge.
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  • I can’t help but think Carson is going for the black vote only. Probably knows he does not stand a chance but going for power and position only for himself.
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  • Evolution relies on faith? He misses the difference, methinks. There is no evidence for the existence of God, but plenty of evidence for evolution. I’m surprised a man of science (as a surgeon is) can deny such a thing as evolution.
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  • Seems to me that Carson just has something to sell and doesn’t actually subscribe to what he’s saying.

    I don’t follow much of anything he says, but it seems to me that he targets all the easy “cage rattling” issues…just look at his recent holocaust & guns comment.

    That said, I wouldn’t be that surprised if he means what he says.
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  • The certified doctor, a learned surgeon likely born surely living in the enlightenment part of the world known as America is not confused about mixing evolution and religion. He said what he said for political reasons. This tact was deliberately motivated to spread confusion among the republic who are by the standards of an envisioned American citizen by the founding fathers and mothers are weak and the education standards and the entire scheme of education under attack. Through this doctoral influence where the doctor knows or should know the threatening reality surrounding education and the deliberate controversies spilled over political maneuvers, but rather eliminate the controversy or clear any confusion as to what is fundamental to education, the doctor took advantage of the weak american moment and to exploit his influence by undue influence of the weak subject from whom or rather from whose failures the doctor would benefit from. This selfishness exposed by the quotation indirectly points out a vested interest to attain a political or profitable gain and here it could only come about by creation of a two tier thinking camp that is so distinct and one of them so reactive, their mixture one could only hope not to turn combustible resulting in disruption to peace and tranquility observed by the inhabitants.
    To say that faith applies to religion as well as to science is to expose one’s ignorance as to the understanding of the meaning of the word faith. If the doctor does not know what faith means it is then no surprise that his conclusons and assertions follwoing faulty premises would result in arbitrary point of view, which likely would harm the public sense and therefore lower the morale of education as a medium of asserting openness in thoughts as well as in discovery, invention, innovation, research, experiment and the like activities, all of which is to enhance what education markets itself to be in the business of.
    But now the doctor is saying that because such a spirit exist in the education scheme, it is okay to interpret it to mean that all opinions can be correct. That having an opinion about an idea does not require fact finding or proving any fact with substantiated evidence is to declare to the american republic that the moment is ripe for the uncritical thinkers [who think personally that justice is attainable if not here then in heaven and the same faith based opinion is used against claims for reparations or pursuit of happiness.
    Where there is a group that is built to be lazy and brain washed to become a lousy mind, the doctor finds that necessary constituency for those who desire their votes, their rage, their herd style and their monkish intellect to be on a particular side of the political spectrum- That political side is evil for it is unconstitutional. To start a riot between those who care for integrity of communication and the other who care about fighting to protect their opinion about their political faith as good and all refutation against them to be considered offenses and labeled as hate speech or a violation of laws against offensive speech, is a sure project to dismantle [and how cowardly] the critical wall separating church and state.
    The doctor is part of that camp who wants to mix religion with all realities of american life – be it the sale of gun, offering of contraception to female, the right of school to hold graduation ceremonies at churches, the right of conscientious objector who object almost always to the much needed things based on faith which they beleive to be truthful; and now through the national academy of science we are led into thinking that religion and science are two faces that appear on the same coin. THis is absurd. This dirty work shows how these coward tacts are energized at this hour, which one could infer based on the american situation to be the weak hour where the subject of science is not understood, the word faith is unclear, where people can’t distingusih emotions from intellectual reasoning, where people don’t care enough to learn for themselves what they are preached by the priest to do or not to do or by their deceitful educators who plan their education around pontifiacal oration to lead students into thinking that the oration of the teacher could only be imitated and not ever challenged and where people are drawn out from targetted groups who are then taught that american court proceedings are just like a biblical code and these are some of the events that america is suffering with and a bright moment seen by the enemy of the republic to exploit rather to employ a better scheme to correct the folly and save the intellect of the independant americans. –
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  • If what you say is true then he is the most cynical creep of all. Beneficiary of an eduction built of a foundation of reason, beneficiary of a field of science which he now is calmly crapping all over, worst sort of human ever if true, and if successful will cost even more lives than the occasional mass shooting.
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    NearlyNakedApe says:

    That said, I wouldn’t be that surprised if he means what he says.

    There is no doubt that he does. Carson already held his current views on Evolution and the Big Bang eight years before he joined the Republican Party and way before he even considered running for the US Presidency.

    As many people on this site surely remember, there was a debate in 2006 between Richard Dawkins and Daniel Dennett vs. Francis Collins and Ben Carson. In this debate, Carson clearly states his Bronze Age faith inspired stance on Evolution:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIHxWLAP4GI
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  • @OP – Ben Carson: ‘It Takes a Lot More Faith to Believe in Evolution’ Than ‘To Believe in God’

    Actually, it takes a lot more scientific study to understand the workings of evolution, whereas anyone who believes in magic fairies can belief in gods!
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    NearlyNakedApe says:

    I can’t help but think Carson is going for the black vote only.

    Well if that’s the main core of his electoral strategy, then all I have to say is… God help him.

    Carson publically said back in August that the Black Lives Matter movement “is silly”. Many political observers have since labeled Carson as an “Oreo” (black on the outside, white on the inside).

    Probably knows he does not stand a chance but going for power and position only for himself.

    Ben Carson is the kind of individual who suffers from what I call the “Blues Brothers Delusion”: he’s on a “Mission from God” like all of those right-wing Republican nut-jobs. So my take is… no, he has no idea he doesn’t stand a chance in the presidential elections.

    You give him way too much credit by assuming that this guy is capable of making realistic assertions about his chances of winning the black vote. Critical thinking never, ever visits those neurons. Let’s not forget that.
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  • Dr. Ben Carson, a pediatric neurosurgeon, a member of the
    distinguished National Academy of Sciences Institute of Medicine, and
    the author of six best selling books, said that it takes faith to
    believe in God and to believe in evolution because both are
    “religion,” and he stressed that it requires “a lot more faith to
    believe in evolution.”

    Right there is the source of misunderstanding! It is clearly wrong to say “I BELIEVE in evolution.” As soon as any one makes a statement like that, it is no different than saying the “I BELIEVE in God.” Therefore it is logical to say that evolution is a religion. It is the term BELIEVE and its ambiguities that is the central core problem when communicating about the many theories of evolutionary biology.

    I am an evolutionary biologist but I do not “believe” in evolution!
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  • Carson:

    ..and he stressed that it requires “a lot more faith to
    believe in evolution.”

    And a lot more more hard work and research. No effing ‘searching the heart for truth’, just plain bloody hard graft. My ‘faith’ that the sun will rise in an easterly position tomorrow is not founded in Biblical inerrancy, but in the hard empirical evidence that yes, observations over centuries show that indeed the sun rises in an easterly direction every bloody day.

    The theory of evolution is as well founded as the concept that the sun rises in an easterly position every single day. Never from the south ,nor the north or west. ALWAYS in an easterly position. What was that song “That’s How Strong My Faith Is” ?

    So Carson can either continue to deliver his brand of bullshit to his would be voters, and be called out as a charlatan, or else he could admit his lack of scientific knowledge and retire from the presidential race with a modicum of style, before he loses out anyway !
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  • central core problem

    Applicable in the u.s., e.g., ‘Kansas vs Darwin’, and pres. candidates asked if they “believe” in evolution.

    The word believe works well in “do you believe in magic” song, not science.

    Erase the chalk board, evolution needs to be stated as true (Jerry Coyne), and work from there. May I quote A4D from Q of the W thread: “Darwin and Wallace were inspired […] to pull the coherent ideas together into ‘Theory of Evolution by way of Natural Selection“. Perfecto.
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  • It is time that we secularists stop the relentless attack on reason and the human spirit by the religious wrong, the dogmatic, and those who would have us “believe” in absurdities. As quoted from Dawkins book:

    Those who would make us believe in absurdities, would also make us
    commit attrocities.”

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  • In America if running on the Right you must play to the Religious Right or they will destroy you. That is political reality. Ask Ron Paul.
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  • We can read a lot into Carson’s comment, but I think the point he was making was that it’s hard to believe everything we enjoy during our existence was just a matter of chance. Report abuse

  • In South Africa there are currently discussions about teaching “Evolution” as a school subject.  Any ideas on how that could work?  As qualified educator (English Language and Literature) I am of the opinion that “Evolution” cannot be taught as a subject per se.  It is however an underlying principle in the Life Sciences.  It would be like teaching “Relativity Theory” or “Gravity” as a subject.

    There was a discussion on this topic on the Afrikaans National Radio Station (RSG) last week.  It became clear that most South Africans regard evolution as the beginning of the end for religion (Christianity) and object to children being taught about evolution at all.  My own children had their Life Sciences teacher tell them that although evolution is mentioned in the text book, she will not teach them about it.

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  • Tersia du Plessis says:

    In South Africa there are currently discussions about teaching “Evolution” as a school subject.  Any ideas on how that could work?  As qualified educator (English Language and Literature) I am of the opinion that “Evolution” cannot be taught as a subject per se.  It is however an underlying principle in the Life Sciences.

    Hello Tersia,

    I think the simplest way to cover this, would be to look at the English National Curriculum Science modules, some of which are statutory and some of which are advisory.  The section on evolution was included in 2014 has recently been expanded in 2018.

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/425618/PRIMARY_national_curriculum_-_Science.pdf

     

    https://humanism.org.uk/2014/09/01/evolution-now-part-english-primary-national-curriculum/

    Today sees a new national curriculum in English schools come into force, and for the first time this includes a module on evolution in primary schools. The module on evolution and inheritance is part of the year six programme of study (ages 10-11). The British Humanist Association (BHA) has long campaigned for such a change, and has welcomed another of its goals being realised.

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/335174/SECONDARY_national_curriculum_-_Science_220714.pdf

    Genetics and evolution 

    – Inheritance, chromosomes, DNA and genes

    heredity as the process by which genetic information is transmitted from one generation to the next

    The faith schools of both the church of England and the Roman catholic Church freely teach the science of evolution in their schools, but teach “god-did-it” in lessons on religion.

    Some other religious groups have been forced by government OFSTED inspectors to  get real in their science teaching in schools!

    – a simple model of chromosomes, genes and DNA in heredity, including the part played by Watson, Crick, Wilkins and Franklin in the development of the DNA model
    – differences between species the variation between individuals within a species being continuous or discontinuous, to include measurement and graphical representation of variation 
    the variation between species and between individuals of the same species means some organisms compete more successfully, which can drive natural selection 
    – changes in the environment may leave individuals within a species, and some entire species, less well adapted to compete successfully and reproduce, which in turn may lead to extinction
    – the importance of maintaining biodiversity and the use of gene banks to preserve hereditary material.

  • @OP -“I think it takes a lot more faith to believe in evolution than it does to believe in God,” he said.

    He is probably correct!

    Gapology 1.0,

    Even the dimmest can easily, with minimal effort, believe “god-did-it” is an explanation patching over  the gaps in their knowledge!

    To try to “believe in evolution” using “faith” in place detailed studies of science, can probably require vast amounts of “faith”,  and still fail abysmally to achieve  any understanding of genetics and evolutionary mechanisms!

    I don’t think anyone has gatherings to pray for an understanding of evolution, or that if such activities WERE to be organised, that any understanding would be obtained as a result of such actions! ☺ Report abuse

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