Britain’s secular society pushes Muslims towards Isis, claims Tory minister

Dec 16, 2015

by Rowena Mason

Stephen Crabb tells Conservative Christian Fellowship that ‘hard-edged’ secularism ‘aids and abets’ extremism.

A Tory cabinet minister has said that Britain’s increasingly secular society risks “pushing more young Muslims into the arms of Isis”.

Stephen Crabb, the Welsh secretary, used a speech to claim that a “hard-edged” secularism in Britain was partly to blame for “aiding and abetting” extremism, as mainstream religion is marginalised in public life.

Crabb is a committed Christian who voted against gay marriage and is one of at least two prominent members of the Conservative Christian Fellowship in the cabinet, alongside the education secretary, Nicky Morgan.

He made the intervention on Tuesday, the day after the commission on religion and belief in British public life proposed that schools should no longer face a legal requirement to provide daily acts of worship of a Christian character. It also suggested the teaching of religious belief should be overhauled to make it more relevant in a diverse and increasingly secular country.

Although extremism is not part of his usual brief, Crabb spoke about the issue as he gave the annual Wilberforce address for the Conservative Christian Fellowship.


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27 comments on “Britain’s secular society pushes Muslims towards Isis, claims Tory minister

  • @OP – Crabb is a committed Christian who voted against gay marriage and is one of at least two prominent members of the Conservative Christian Fellowship in the cabinet, alongside the education secretary, Nicky Morgan.

    He is expressing the standard view through fundamentalist faith-blinkers!
    (My religion is wonderful – so all this nasty stuff in the world must be caused by secular people won’t participate [in my delusional self deception]!)

    He made the intervention on Tuesday, the day after the commission on religion and belief in British public life proposed that schools should no longer face a legal requirement to provide daily acts of worship of a Christian character. It also suggested the teaching of religious belief should be overhauled to make it more relevant in a diverse and increasingly secular country.

    OOOOoo! Very threatening to a fundamentalist’s god-delusion – and to its airs of superiority!!! Restrictions on the freedom to use public resources and public services indoctrinate!!!



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  • It’s just as likely that the price of milk or the bank deposit interest rate drive young muslims to extremism. There is as much linkage, i.e. zero, between either of those and secularism as to what delusional muslims get up to in their spare time. The man has revealed himself to be a nutter and unfit for public office as with all who believe that invisible sky pixies rule the universe rather than physics.



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  • “Freedom of religion is now under attack from secularism.”.

    Is that a contradiction in terms, or an oxymoron?

    I submit that the only kind of society where all the various and differing religions can practise in peace is a secular society.

    The worst kind of attacks on religions occur in-house; secularists do not burn down places of worship.

    Neither do securlarists, atheists, humanist or free thinkers have need of conferences to discuss how best to stop killing one another.

    We don’t whinge either!



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  • The man is very foolish and misguided. It is nothing but intensive religious indoctrination that aids and abets religious extremism. The imaginary divine authority that is given to individuals who choose to interpret religious texts literally encourages them to display their commitment to their faith by being extremist.



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  • Stafford Gordon
    Dec 16, 2015 at 1:26 pm

    “Freedom of religion is now under attack from secularism.”.

    Or:- Translated into English without wearing the faith-goggles:-
    “Freedom to impose MY religion on everyone else, is now under attack from secularism.”

    Is that a contradiction in terms, or an oxymoron?

    Yes – But faith-blinkers blank out such perceptions! – Usually by redefining “secularism” to give it some demonised negative connotation.



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  • Miserablegit
    Dec 16, 2015 at 2:23 pm

    When people are this religious they really do say the most stupidly indefensible things.

    When they combine this in-born stupidity with religion and political ideology, AND have a large audience, the stupidity can go right off the scale while they dogmatically continue to insist that they are right!!!

    https://www.richarddawkins.net/2015/12/cop21-climate-change-summit-reaches-deal-in-paris/#li-comment-192910



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  • OP:

    In the speech, he claimed the current mood meant “faith gets squeezed further into the margins of public life and religion becomes delegitimised through suspicion, fear or ridicule”.

    Aye there’s the rub ! When reality meets mysticism, the poor old CoE, ‘Defender of the Faith’. totters more quickly to its consecrated burial place in obscurity.

    I suppose we can expect quite a few growls from the dying lion of Christianity, before it can set light to any more non-believers, at least in Britain.



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  • Thanks! Alan4discussion!
    “Freedom to impose MY religion on everyone else, is now under attack from secularism.”
    Absolute Bulls Eye!
    Task now is how do we get around 9 Billion other humans to see the truth of this??



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  • Our western secular society attacked Afghanistan and Iraq, first strike, without provocation. If that does not motivate Muslims to strike back when they think they can can away with, I don’t know what would.



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  • @OP – as he gave the annual Wilberforce address for the Conservative Christian Fellowship.

    There is a wide selection of bombastic self-deluding Tory twits, elected as MPs.

    They are not only connected to religious groups, but also to climate change deniers, astrologers, and homoeopathy!



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  • Teenage angst, the confidence of knowing you know it all and everyone else is stupid all set on a canvas of inexcusable fantastical ides about the Universe and how to survive it – That is what makes Jihad attractive.
    We’ve all been through it, most simply grow out of it and find that as you age you actually know less, some kill themselves, but this modern trend of glamorising it for the production of serial killers is worrying.



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  • Has anyone seriously pushed the link between:
    Global warming and Jihadism?
    Reality TV and Jihadism?
    Rap songs and Jihadism?
    Standing up to pee and jihadism?
    Foreswearing alcohol and jihadism?
    Treading in dog poo and jihadism?
    Walking on the cracks of the pavement and jihadism?
    Masturbation and jihadism?
    Playing with toy soldiers and jihadism?
    Jane Austen and jihadism?
    Quantum entanglement and jihadism?

    ……
    Etc.



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  • The Controversial Poster Philoctetes
    Dec 17, 2015 at 1:28 pm

    Has anyone seriously pushed the link between:
    Global warming and Jihadism?

    I think there is a link in the Middle-East and Africa, between droughts, crop failures, banditry, breakdown of government, and Jihadism.



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  • OP:

    Although extremism is not part of his usual brief, Crabb spoke about the issue as he gave the annual Wilberforce address for the Conservative Christian Fellowship.

    Ah, Wilberforce eh ? That famous Christian ( at least in Britain), member of the Clapham Sect, who spoke out against the slave trade. And who was he trying to influence ? Why other fellow Christians who felt that the slave trade was perfectly fine thank you ! Incidentally Wiberforce’s name is hardly known of in the West Indies where the sugar and tobacco plantations were. In the end the slave trade died out because it was becoming increasingly uneconomic, not because of moral outrage from Christians.



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  • Rooms at parliament United Kingdom:

    Second Dave : Good day, Dave!

    First Dave: Oh, Hello Dave!

    Third Dave: How are you Dave?

    First Dave: A bit unwell, Dave.

    Second Dave: Where’s Dave?

    First Dave: He’s not here, Dave.

    Third Dave: Blimey, it’s hot in here, Dave.

    First Dave: Hot enough to boil a monkey’s bum!

    Second Dave: That’s a strange expression, Dave.

    First Dave: Well Dave, I heard the Prime Minister use it. ‘It’s hot enough to boil a monkey’s bum in here, your Majesty,’ he said and she smiled quietly to herself.

    Third Dave: She’s a good totty Dave, and totaly stuck up.

    Second Dave: Here! Here’s the boss-chappy now! – how are you Dave?

    (Enter fourth Dave with Michael)

    Fourth Dave: How are you, Dave?

    First Dave: Good day Dave!

    Fourth Dave: Dave.

    Second Dave: Hello Dave.

    Fourth Dave: Dave.

    Third Dave: How are you, Dave?

    Fourth Dave: Good day Dave.

    Fourth Dave: Gentleman, I’d like to introduce this man from the church who is joining us this year in the education comity.

    Every Dave: Good day!

    Michael: Hello.

    Fourth Dave: Michael Baldwin, Dave. Michael Baldwin, Dave. Michael Baldwin, Dave.

    First Dave: Is your name not Dave?

    Michael: No, it’s Michael.

    Second Dave: That’s going to cause a little confusion.

    Third Dave: Mind if we call you ‘ Dave ‘ to keep it clear?

    Fourth Dave: Gentlemen, I think we better start the education comity meeting. Before we start, though, I’d like to ask Micheal for a prayer.

    Micheal: Oh Lord, we beseech Thee, Amen!!

    Every Dave: Amen!

    Fourth Dave: Pop Corks! (Sound of champagne opening) Now I call upon Dave to officially welcome Bishop Baldwin to the education comity.

    Second Dave: I’d like to welcome the Bishop to God’s own Earth, and remind him that we like stuck-up sticky-beaks here.

    Every Dave: Hear, hear! Well spoken, Dave!

    Fourth Dave: Dave here teaches that gay marriage is wrong, Dave there teaches that gay marriage is wrong, Dave teaches that gay marriage is wrong and I teach that gay marriage is wrong,

    Third Dave: What’s New- Dave going to teach?

    Fourth Dave: New- Dave will be teaching secularism is wrong!

    Every Dave: America, America, America, America, we love you amen!

    Fourth Dave: Another bottle! (Sound of corks popping) Any questions?

    Second Dave: New- Dave, are you a Poofta?

    Fourth Dave: Are you a Poofta?

    Michael: No!

    Fourth Dave: No. Right, I just want to remind you of the faculty rules: Rule One!

    Every Dave: No Pooftas!

    Fourth Dave e: Rule Two, no member of the faculty is to fag the interns in any way at all — if there’s anybody watching…… Rule Three?

    Every Dave: No Pooftas!!

    Fourth Dave: Rule Four, now this term, I don’t want to catch anybody not drinking….. Rule Five,

    Every Dave: No Pooftas!

    Fourth Dave: Rule Six, there is NO … Rule Six!… Rule Seven,

    Every Dave: No Pooftas!!

    Fourth Dave: Right, that concludes the readin’ of the rules, Dave.

    First Dave: This here’s the cross, the emblem of our land. You can stick it in a bottle, you can hold it in your hand.

    Every Dave: Amen!

    Second Dave: Thank God for muslims



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  • Apparently those “moderate Wahhabi Muslims”, are cracking down on suggestions that Saudi Arabia should become one of those degenerate UK style secular constitutional monarchies!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-35154411

    A Saudi writer who has called for political reform is reported to have been sentenced to four years in prison.

    Zuhair Kutbi’s lawyer and son said half the sentence was suspended, but that he was also banned from writing for 15 years and travelling abroad for five, and fined $26,600 (£17,900).

    It is not clear on what charges Mr Kutbi was found guilty.

    He is believed to have been detained in July after saying Saudi Arabia should become a constitutional monarchy on TV.

    The 62-year-old is the latest in a string of human rights activists, reformists, journalists, and dissidents to have been jailed in the Gulf state.



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  • Welsh secretary, used a speech to claim that a “hard-edged” secularism in Britain was partly to blame for “aiding and abetting” extremism, as mainstream religion is marginalised in public life.

    so is he blaming us hard-edged secularist for turning him into an extremist nut-jop or thanking us?



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    Pinball1970 says:

    I think there is a link in the Middle-East and Africa, between droughts, crop failures, banditry, breakdown of government, and Jihadism

    I think there is a link between human rights abuses, oppression of women and homosexuals, child abuse, lack of social cohesion, political corruption violence, poor education and brainwashing of children with tribal nonsense and ISLAM



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  • Yes, yes, but apart from droughts, crop failures, banditry, breakdown of government, US foreign policy, Western imperial culturalism and consequent loss of cultural identity, what possible links could there to be to Jihadism except increasing secularism?



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  • @OP – Britain’s secular society pushes Muslims towards Isis, claims Tory minister.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-35226482

    The professional conduct panel, acting on behalf of the [Tory government] education secretary, concluded that Mr Akbar had “failed to uphold public trust in the profession and maintain high standards of ethics and behaviours”.

    Mr Akbar was found to have narrowed the range of religious education and “cultural events”, such as downplaying the celebration of Christmas and cancelling “non-Islamic” events.

    So let me a see! A Moslem head of a trojan-horse school attacks other faiths, so the impartiality of secularism must be responsible for his fanaticism and intolerance according to a Tory faith-head minister in the government whose education secretary instigated action against him!



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