Father and son accused of rape want ‘only law book that truly matters’ at their trial: The Bible

Jan 23, 2017

A father and son accused of raping a teenage girl over a three-year period and keeping her shackled in a basement have made it clear that they don’t have faith in the law or in the people who practice it.

When they face an Ohio jury as they defend themselves against criminal charges that carry long prison sentences, they will rely on one book: The Bible.

Timothy Ciboro and his son, Esten Ciboro, both of Toledo, are each charged with multiple counts of rape. The trial is scheduled to start this week, months after the girl, who is Timothy Ciboro’s stepdaughter, managed to unshackle herself and escape while her alleged abusers were gone, authorities said.

During a hearing Friday, the Ciboros made the unusual request of having access to the Bible, which they plan to cite as they defend themselves in front of a jury. The Bible, Esten Ciboro told a judge, is “the only law book that truly matters,” the Toledo Blade reported.

“There’s a great deal of strategy in Scripture and I use those strategies in everything I do,” Esten Ciboro told the judge, according to the Toledo Blade’s coverage of the hearing. “It’s a vital part of everything I do.”

Timothy Ciboro said he and his son intend to “use God’s holy word to ask questions, questions that we believe are absolutely vital to our case,” the paper reported.


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22 comments on “Father and son accused of rape want ‘only law book that truly matters’ at their trial: The Bible

  • Timothy Ciboro and his son, Esten Ciboro, both of Toledo,

    A real life basket of delusional deplorables.

    I had no sooner just finished reading an article on Quillette titled Does Religion Cause Violence? when this article on rapists using the Bible as permission for their hideous behavior appeared above.

    http://quillette.com/2017/01/22/does-religion-cause-violence/

    For quick reference here is the Wiki page titled Rape in the Hebrew Bible

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_the_Hebrew_Bible

    From that Wiki page, is this the material that Ciboro and son will be presenting in court in their own defense?

    If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour’s wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.

    But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die. But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter: For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.

    If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel’s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.[3]

    Nothing like reaching back in time several millennia to the bad old days of tribal morality (if we can even call it morality at all which I doubt) to prosecute a crime in the present day in the US of A.

    Tribal values in action here my friends! Our own women are paragons of purity and virtue, untouched by the hands of any man (try violating that rule and you pay with your life) but every other tribe’s women are fair game. Yee-Haa! One of the rape victims is Ciboro’s stepdaughter/stepsister and not biologically related to either of them. Westermarck effect is absent there. I want to include the quote from the article but I keep getting kicked out of the site for failure to register there.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westermarck_effect

    I’ll just bet that these two wouldn’t pass a clinical test of sanity. Oh wait – we still have a definition of delusion in the diagnostic manual that excuses religious delusional thinking!



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  • LaurieB,
    It will be exceptionally satisfying when the law that these pieces of garbage do not recognize soundly throttles them and punishes them with the heaviest possible sentences.

    Hear me out on this because I can feel the eyes rolling and facepalms (due to the bullshit sentences handed out by bullshit judges in the bullshit legal system — like that human garbage swimmer shitbox and his light sentence).

    I do not think that it will play out like that here. Religious assholes like this that swear “the only book that matters…” blah blah blah not only run afoul of folks like atheists, they especially piss off these jolly tugnuts who want control and authority (the LAW — judges, cops, lawyers….) See, they NEED to be authoritarian and you have a much better chance with them if you “yes, sir….. no, sir” (or yes ma’am…. no ma’am as the case may be).

    The very worst posture to take is the “fuck you, you mean nothing” stance. That’s when they look to make an example of you. And, I sincerely hope that it plays out that way.

    Also, i’d love to wave this in the “religious Christian” faces and ask if all of them live this way (like they project all Muslims as terrorists)…. I am actually going to approach one of my “foes” (friendly) here at work and innocently ask “does it really SAY THAT?”



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  • From a Washington Post article came this tidbit about the case. This is referring to the father/son rapists being implored to take professional counsel instead of representing themselves:

    “Professionals built the Titanic. Amateurs built the ark,” he told
    Jennings, the judge, according to the Toledo Blade.

    Oh Goodness. It’s truly incredible the level of delusion some of these folks can muster.



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  • Crookedshoes

    It will be exceptionally satisfying when the law that these pieces of garbage do not recognize soundly throttles them and punishes them with the heaviest possible sentences.

    Hallelujah to that!
    In the past few years, based on articles that have come up on this website and other sources, I felt like these types of religious nutjobs were finally being put in their place – jail. Now this is another thing that I’m worried about under the current administration that is staffed by a cabinet of Christian and Jewish fundamentalists – will they turn a blind eye to deluded criminals who use their ancient Middle Eastern fairy tales as an excuse for murderous criminal behavior? Will the ten commandments slide right back into courtroom lobbies? All of the hard fought battles of the secular human rights community down the shitter in the blink of an eye?

    Look how easy it is for us to lose ground. Freakin depressing.

    I am actually going to approach one of my “foes” (friendly) here at work and innocently ask “does it really SAY THAT?”

    haha. Ok, you do that and report back here. Can I make a prediction? Based on a survey that was on here a while back, (I’ll dig it up if I need to) atheists tend to know the “holy” books much better than the very people who wave them in our faces at every opportunity. Your coworker frenemy probably doesn’t even know that those lines that I posted above even exist at all. They’ll start spewing defensive bullshit like – You know that Jesus is all about love, right?!! God loves us all sinners and saints alike!! But consider reminding these sad scared brainwashed individuals that Jesus came along after those lines were written. He could’ve had the balls to say that rape is horrible. That women are not the possessions of men to be bought and sold like cattle or won in wars and used as sexual playthings. But no. He didn’t do that. He held to the standard old testament cruelty story – Apparently he was just fine and dandy with the whole scenario! But then, Jesus didn’t really dig chics, right? Right.

    My conclusion, based on the words of the Bible is that Jesus didn’t really have a problem with rape at all. No big deal. He could have solved the problem any time he felt like it but he dropped the ball on that one.

    Now that I think about it, plenty of men alive today who don’t dig chics still treat us much better than ethically challenged Jesus dude.

    Why are there any females going to church at all? Can we get a little self respect here please? Don’t get down on your knees for assholes like Jesus (and Mo for that matter).

    So let’s see what the coworker says. I’d bet you a twenty on this prediction but I’m not sure how to collect it when I win. 😉



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  • LaurieB #5
    Jan 24, 2017 at 10:33 am

    But then, Jesus didn’t really dig chics, right? Right.

    I think on the historical documents, the jury is still out on that selection of mythology!

    It depends on if references to “the gospels” from the cults selected by the Romans in C4 – proclaiming Peter to be the lead disciple and first pope are followed, rather than those from the suppressed cults proclaiming Mary Magdalene to probably be Jesus wife, lead apostle, and first pope!

    http://gnosis.org/library/marygosp.htm

    The Gospel of Mary of Magdala: Jesus and the First Woman Apostle.



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  • Steven007

    Amateurs built the ark,

    He’s right. A bunch of amateurs built it and when it’s replicated in modern times according to the specifications in the Bible – you guessed it – it sinks.

    If memory serves, didn’t someone try to replicate The Ark a few years back and tried to float it up the Thames and had to attach air filled floatation devices all around and under it? So disappointing. Could someone let the Ciboros know about this please?



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  • Alan4discussion

    the jury is still out

    Well, I don’t see what’s taking so long. Two thousand years of jury deliberation seems more than enough to me. It’s all there in black and white after all. No brainer, right?

    First thing to address is whether or not these characters ever existed in the first place. Then we’ll talk about why we care about what a bunch of Middle Eastern iron age savages thought about what the correct treatment of women is at all.

    Tell that to the jury.



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  • LaurieB #8
    Jan 24, 2017 at 11:28 am

    Well, I don’t see what’s taking so long. Two thousand years of jury deliberation seems more than enough to me.
    It’s all there in black and white after all.
    No brainer, right?

    Yes but it is in two different contradictory versions of black and white!
    If this mythology is to be followed, the issue of if the the modern followers used “faith thinking” and followed “the wrong cult” and the “wrong gospels” which were selected for by the 4th. century Roman bishops for the political purposes of the empire!

    First thing to address is whether or not these characters ever existed in the first place.

    Well there is that as well, but most faith-thinkers don’t even read the texts:- let along ask about their origins!

    I mean to say, that while the NT “Canonical gospels” (none of which were eyewitness accounts written by the named authors or within decades of supposed events), were edited by Bishop Athanasius in the 4th century; – the gospel of Judas is probably contemporary with this editing or much earlier!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Judas

    The Gospel of Judas is a Gnostic gospel whose content consists of conversations between Jesus and Judas Iscariot. It is thought to have been composed in the second century by Gnostic Christians, not by the protagonist Judas, since it contains late 2nd century theology. The only copy of it known to exist is a Coptic language text that has been carbon dated to AD 280, plus or minus 60 years.

    In contrast to the canonical gospels, which paint Judas as a betrayer who delivered Jesus to the authorities for crucifixion in exchange for money, the Gospel of Judas portrays Judas’s actions as done in obedience to instructions given to him by Christ. It does not claim that the other disciples knew about Jesus’s true teachings. On the contrary, it asserts that they had not learned the true Gospel, which Jesus taught only to Judas Iscariot, the sole follower belonging to the “holy generation” among the disciples.

    This illustrates the disputes between the accounts of early Xtian cults!



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  • “Professionals built the Titanic. Amateurs built the ark,”

    Being amateurs they neglected to install a sat nav system, and the bloody thing hit a submerged mountain.



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  • “Professionals built the Titanic. Amateurs built the ark,”

    That’s actually a stab at LOGIC. Hilarious. Let’s try some more.

    Jesus had two dads.

    God created original sin over a stolen apple, but forgives murder if you say “sorry”.

    God created light on the first day and the light source on the fourth.

    Homosexuals should be hated, but remember to love everyone.

    Cain and Abel (the first two children ever) went to the next town to find wives.

    Jealousy is a sin (Galatians 5:19-20)

    The god of the bible is a jealous god (Exodus 34:14)

    Therefore the god of the bible is a sinner.

    A sinner cannot be perfectly good.

    The god of the bible must be perfectly good.

    The god of the bible cannot exist by the actual words contained in the bible, itself.

    What if the bible is just a test and only the logical people who reject it are allowed into heaven?

    My favorite (not a bible one, though) If the south lost the civil was, why are there still southern states?



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  • This will be an interesting case.

    Already, in the US at least, it is ok for people to break anti-discrimination laws based on their religious beliefs – especially in relation to homosexuals. I have often wondered where the line would be drawn here: could I kill my son and defend myself by proving that he was disobedient? According to Deuteronomy 21:18-21 the law states that such a son must be stoned to death, would I only get away with it if I killed him with stones?

    Given the country it is happening in, this case could go any way!!



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  • There seems to be another example here of people besotted by religious obsession, inflicting damage on themselves and other followers, by blindly following their delusions!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-38803999

    Five members of a Benin religious sect have died of asphyxiation after they were reportedly told to burn incense and charcoal in locked prayer rooms as they waited for the world to end.

    Several people were taken to hospital after the weekend incident in Adjarra town, near the capital Porto Novo.

    The Very Holy Church of Jesus Christ of Baname sect opposes the voodoo religion – one of the major faiths in Benin.

    Members of the controversial sect have clashed with followers of other faiths.

    The group’s young leader, Vicentia Chanvoukini, known by her followers as “Lady Perfect”, has proclaimed herself a god.

    About 40% of the population of the West African nation are believed to be following voodoo.

    Voodoo Day is a public holiday and there is a national Voodoo museum.

    There would seem to be an urgent need for secular education in this part of Africa!



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  • Meanwhile an inquiry has revealed rape and abuse on an industrial scale!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-38877158

    An inquiry examining institutional sex abuse in Australia has heard 7% of the nation’s Catholic priests allegedly abused children between 1950 and 2010.

    In one order, more than 40% of church figures were accused of abuse.

    Almost 4,500 people claim to have been victims between 1980 and 2015, the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sex Abuse was told.

    The commission, Australia’s highest form of inquiry, is also investigating abuse at non-religious organisations.

    It has previously heard harrowing testimony from scores of people who suffered abuse at the hands of clergy. But the full scale of the problem was never clear until Monday, when the commission released the statistics it has gathered.

    The victims’ stories were “depressingly similar”, said Gail Furness, the lead lawyer assisting the commission in Sydney.

    “Children were ignored or worse, punished. Allegations were not investigated. Priests and religious [figures] were moved. The parishes or communities to which they were moved knew nothing of their past.”
    Damning statistics

    Between 1980 and 2015, 4,444 children were abused at more than 1,000 Catholic institutions across Australia, Ms Furness said.

    The average age of the victims was 10.5 for girls and 11.5 for boys. On average, it took 33 years for each instance of abuse to be reported.

    The royal commission also detailed the number of abuse claims against 10 religious orders in the six decades after 1950.

    The data showed four orders had allegations of abuse against more than 20% of their members.

    Percentage of church figures behind alleged abuse, 1950-2010
    Religious institution …………… Percentage
    St John of God Brothers …………………40.4
    Christian Brothers ………………………..22.0
    Salesians of Don Bosco ………………….21.9
    Marist Brothers …………………………….20.4
    De La Salle Brothers ………………………13.8
    Patrician Brothers …………………………12.4
    Society of Jesus ………………………………4.8
    Missionaries of the Sacred Heart ………..3.3
    Sisters of St Joseph of the Sacred Heart .0.6
    Sisters of Mercy (Brisbane) ………………..0.3
    Source: Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse

    The royal commission, set up in 2013, is investigating allegations of sexual and physical abuse across dozens of institutions in Australia, including schools, sports clubs and religious organisations.

    Ms Furness said on Monday that 60% of all survivors of abuse were from faith-based organisations. Of those, nearly two-thirds concerned the Catholic Church.



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