Pope suggests it’s better to be an atheist than a bad Christian

Feb 28, 2017

By Daniel Burke

If you’re a Christian who exploits people, leads a double life or manages a “dirty” business, perhaps it’s better not to call yourself a believer, Pope Francis suggested in a homily on Thursday in Rome.

“So many Christians are like this, and these people scandalize others,” Francis said during morning Mass at Casa Santa Marta, according to Vatican Radio. “How many times have we heard — all of us, around the neighborhood and elsewhere — ‘But to be a Catholic like that, it’s better to be an atheist.’ It is that: scandal.”
“But what is scandal? Scandal is saying one thing and doing another.”
In the Catholic Church, causing scandal also a grave offense.
Examples of such sins abound, the Pope said, from money launderers to business owners who take beach vacations while stiffing their employees.

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22 comments on “Pope suggests it’s better to be an atheist than a bad Christian

  • Oh how very offensive,

    Here is this guy, head of an organisation using its sovereign nation status to protect child rapists from rightful prosecution, saying what it’s bad to be a tax evader or money launder, even slightly worse than being an atheist?!

    Okay then let’s see the church return all the money donated to them by people subsequently charged with those crimes directly to the people fleeced by them. Hitch spend a lot of time pursuing this very point in relation to Mother Terresa who took money for the church from many such people, well Popie, it’s very simple start to give it all back. Cardinal Pell who is currently protected in Rome from accusations of child rape and aggressively attempting to avoid paying any reasonable compensation to his flock raped as children under his nose is a case in point or are you and your organisation also just that little bit worse than atheists too?



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  • @OP – If you’re a Christian who exploits people, leads a double life or manages a “dirty” business, perhaps it’s better not to call yourself a believer, Pope Francis suggested in a homily on Thursday in Rome. . . .. ‘But to be a Catholic like that, it’s better to be an atheist.’ It is that: scandal.”
    “But what is scandal? Scandal is saying one thing and doing another.”

    It sounds very like the “No True Scotsman” thinking, along with a bit of psychological projection!

    The pope is however correct, that atheists generally ARE more moral than the Vatican!!

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/vatican-bank-accused-of-money-laundering-insider-trading-and-market-manipulation-after-investigation-a6721606.html

    Pope’s merchant bank faces money laundering accusations after investigation

    Pope Francis sanctioned the probe as part of his drive to clean up the Holy See after decades of financial sleaze.



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  • @OP – “So many Christians are like this, and these people scandalize others,” Francis said during morning Mass at Casa Santa Marta, according to Vatican Radio.

    Yep! – and guess who are the bigoted worst offenders unless they are restrained by secular government?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39125187

    A bright orange bus emblazoned with an anti-transgender message has been forced off the roads in Spain, after activists, trade unions, and Madrid City Council united against it.

    The slogan on the bus read:
    “Boys have penises, girls have vulvas. Do not be fooled.”

    Perhaps there should also have been another message:
    Ignoramuses and science illiterates have dogmas and “alternative facts”! – Do not be fooled.

    A Catholic group, Hazte Oir, had planned to take it on a nationwide tour of Spanish cities.

    But Madrid City Council said the vehicle could incite hatred.

    Another message on the side states:
    “If you are born a man, you are a man. If you are a woman, you will continue to be one.”

    . . . . . According to the assertions of dogma befuddled science illiterates who have no knowledge of medical conditions!

    It is believed to be a response to posters put up in northern Spain by a transgender rights group, which read:
    “There are girls with penises and boys with vulvas.
    It’s as simple as that.”

    The bus was probably a response to posters put up by a transgender rights group

    A spokeswoman for socialists on Madrid City Council, Purificacion Causapie, called it
    “contrary to the dignity and rights of transsexual children”.

    She urged the mayor’s office to ensure Madrid remains “a city free of discrimination, violence and attacks on minors”.

    ‘The bus of shame’

    Though the outrage centres on its message, the bus has technically been ordered off the roads for breaching municipal rules on outdoor advertising.

    Madrid Mayor Manuela Carmena said the City Council wants the vehicle out of the city “as soon as possible”.

    The Councilman for Security, Javier Barbero, said on Tuesday that police had contained “the bus of shame”.

    The president of Hazte Oir, which translates as “Make yourself heard” has argued that the group has a right to protest against “laws of sexual indoctrination” and the right to freedom of speech.

    Ignacio Arsuaga claimed the slogan on the bus states only “a fact of biology that is studied in schools”.

    Perhaps he went to a pseudo-science Catholic school, teaching Catholic “trrrooo science” taught by science illiterates for science illiterates!

    Barcelona’s City Council has warned the group it could face a fine of up to €3,000 (£2,560; $3,160) for breaching advertising laws if the bus takes to the streets there.



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  • Imbecile!! It is horrible how people want so badly to be sheeps. It is perhaps most dangerous thing to be. Papa has a nerve to tell someone what is moral!? This leader of the most immoral organization on the planet! He disgust me. We are all aware of all the crimes this organisation has commited trough centuries; rapes, killings, tortures of all kinds, its connections with mafia, the Emanuela Orlandi kidnaping and killing, tax evasions … .

    Well, how can anyone be surprised when their first Papa and so called founder of chatolic church was a criminal (st. Peter). He was a traitor. In their own story he denied his so call friend, a moral vertical, and a leader of first christians. And believers do not care for it, haha. Whole organisation was founded by a traitor and a criminal and they don’t mind it. It happened just the opposite they worship this criminal and celebrate him. And they don not mind it. And the sane people are the ones that are ill !?! 🙁



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  • @ Modesti,

    couldn’t agree more. From the start I’ve been sickened by the free pass this Pope has been given on all manner of issues. From the start he was making comments that the public read as pro-gay such as “It’s not for me to judge”. Which in reality means God will judge them and they’ll burn in hell but I’ll play nice to their faces. Likewise this man either has no real power (and therefore is not what the dogma of his religion claims) or is simply playing a better PR game than the last pope. Benedict at least believed the evil nonsense he preached which. Francis either believes it but deceives the credulous or he doesn’t believe and is cynically using his position to improve the image of a corrupt institution. If he were the genuine article he would have facilitated the extradition of every pedophile priest and properly compensated their victims, he would preach the actual doctrine of the church with all it’s hateful nonsense. Or if he was a reformer he should have the power to decree a few infallible judgments and reveal God really loves gays and wants them treated equally, women should be able to be priests etc. He does none of these things instead have fooled the credulous morons into thinking this institution may not evil empire it truly is. Bring back Benedict, an evil twat but at least not so much of a hypocrite and far more likely to let people see what the catholic church really is. Every year this “nice” pope slows the exodus from this toxic belief system will mean much more human suffering, child rape, further spread of aids and ignorance. Disgusting.



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  • @ Reckless Monkey,

    I totally agree with you. I am also disgused with this “friendly” face of a Pope, which is actually hypocrisy, and as you have noticed also … he seems more rotten and perfidious than previous Popes. He brings only theatrical gestures, and not some right and concrete improvements. It seems that he is only doing PR and marketing scheme trying to ‘repair’ a bad voice that church has suffered in recent (pedofiles, tax…), and people absorb that looking at him like he is doing something good. In fact, he is not doing anything good. If he is protected by this dogma of infallibility of the Pope, than he has every mean in his hands to change things, but no… he won’t do it. Why? Someone should ask him that, hahaha. Probably because he is evil (as if there were any doubts 😉 ), or he is just a marionette of someone else and he is just another coward who doesn’t care for nobody but himself. Personally, I think he is perfidious evil person, because rules, or not, it is a human and moral obligation to report crime. Not to protect it. But how can anyone of sound mind expect him to be moral or human. 🙁 It is contradictory, right? 😉 Humanists and moral persons are not part of his organisation. Every time I hear that this is a good Pope, it makes me shiver. He has fooled so many people with his theatrical gestures so far. It is so disgusting seeing people who bow down to him, while he is sitting on a pile of money, gold, real estates, etc. stolen from inocent people (and documented tortures and killed people throughout centuries). 🙁



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  • @Modesti,

    at risk of starting a mutual admiration society, I have to agree again. It is simply astonishing that he can pull off this act. People are so wanting the Catholic church to be good that they’ve not looked at anything in any critical or analytical fashion. He has literally done nothing but continue to protect and even re-instate pedophile priests…

    “One case has come back to haunt him: An Italian priest who received the pope’s clemency was later convicted by an Italian criminal court for his sex crimes against children as young as 12. The Rev. Mauro Inzoli is now facing a second church trial after new evidence emerged against him, The Associated Press has learned.

    The Inzoli case is one of several in which Francis overruled the advice of the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and reduced a sentence that called for the priest to be defrocked, two canon lawyers and a church official told AP. Instead, the priests were sentenced to penalties including a lifetime of penance and prayer and removal from public ministry.”

    …even worse than Benedict.



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  • @OP – ‘But to be a Catholic like that, it’s better to be an atheist.’
    It is that: scandal.”
    “But what is scandal? Scandal is saying one thing and doing another.”
    In the Catholic Church, causing scandal also a grave offense.
    Examples of such sins abound, the Pope said, from money launderers to business owners who take beach vacations while stiffing their employees.

    There are definitely services which would be better run as secular establishments, and with more respect for users, if they were run by atheists or humanists!

    http://metro.co.uk/2017/03/03/baby-remains-found-in-sewers-under-former-home-for-unmarried-mothers-6486184/

    A ‘significant’ quantity of human remains has been discovered in sewers at a former home for unmarried mothers and their babies.

    The remains of young children and babies were discovered following an investigation into alleged abuse at religious-run mother and baby homes in Ireland.

    A commission set up to investigate the abuse had been been carrying out an excavation at the former Catholic Church institution in Tuam, Co Galway when the remains were discovered.

    ‘Significant’ quantities of human remains were found in at least 17 of 20 underground chambers being excavated in recent weeks.

    The Commission of Investigation into Mother and Baby Homes said: ‘A small number of remains were recovered for the purpose of analysis.

    ‘These remains involved a number of individuals with age-at-death ranges from approximately 35 foetal weeks to 2-3 years.

    ‘Radiocarbon dating of the samples recovered suggest that the remains date from the time frame relevant to the operation of the mother and baby home.’

    The Tuam home operated from 1925 to 1961.

    ‘Up to now we had rumours. Now we have confirmation that the remains are there, and that they date back to the time of the mother and baby home, which operated in Tuam from 1925 to 1961.’

    An inquiry was ordered after massive national and international focus on the story of the Sisters of the Bon Secours in Tuam, where the remains of 796 infants are believed to be buried.



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  • The “traditions of the church” seem to be true to its claim to be “universal” – regardless of which side of the earth their institutions are on!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39155279

    British girls at an Australian orphanage told a visiting archbishop they were being beaten by its mother superior, the Independent Inquiry Into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA) has heard.

    An anonymous witness told the inquiry the girls were “thrashed” with a chair leg after telling the then Archbishop of Adelaide Matthew Beovitch.

    The former child migrant said “she was beaten into submission” by the time she left Goodwood Orphanage near Adelaide.

    She was sent to Australia in 1949.

    She was one of thousands of children moved from the UK to Australia after World War Two.

    On the fifth day of the IICSA public hearing, the witness gave evidence that during her time at the orphanage, the institution was visited by the Archbishop of Adelaide.

    The girls had been told that if asked whether they were happy, they should say that they were.

    However the British girls “got together” and decided to tell the truth.

    The inquiry heard that when he asked they said “mother superior beats us all the time with her strap”.

    He said “is this correct?” to the mother superior and they shouted “she’s got the strap in her pocket”.

    The archbishop demanded the strap, asked the nun to promise she would not hit the girls and then asked “are you happy now children?”

    The inquiry has not discussed whether further action was taken.

    But after telling the archbishop, the girls were “thrashed” with a wooden chair leg by the mother superior. The witness said she was unable to sit down for a week after the incident.

    A key area of this inquiry will be what the institutions involved in child migration knew about the mistreatment of the children they were responsible for the care of.

    This week, the inquiry has heard harrowing evidence of sexual and physical abuse, none of which was reported to the police.

    Friday’s witness also described being sexually abused by a man in the cabin of the ship that was transporting her to Australia.

    By contrast with the institutions, the captain of the vessel took the girl through its decks looking for the man, who she identified carrying a tray in the dining room.



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  • If you’re a Christian who exploits people, leads a double life or
    manages a “dirty” business, perhaps it’s better not to call yourself a
    believer, Pope Francis suggested in a homily on Thursday in Rome.

    But is it still ok to call yourself a believer and a Catholic if you constantly pretend to be addressing the child rape scandal while actually blocking any serious attempt to deal with it effectively, Francis? Or is that not also a “scandal”, by your own definition?

    I see that the only remaining survivor of clerical sexual abuse on the Vatican’s commission on clerical sexual abuse has now resigned from it: “The final straw, Marie Collins wrote in a scathing statement, was when [she] found out that the Vatican has failed to implement one of the commission’s most straightforward recommendations: to simply reply to all correspondence from victims of sexual abuse.”

    From the article at http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2017/03/01/marie_collins_the_only_remaining_abuse_survivor_in_the_vatican_s_anti_abuse.html:

    “I find it impossible to listen to public statements about the deep concern in the church for the care of those whose lives have been blighted by abuse, yet to watch privately as a congregation in the Vatican refuses to even acknowledge their letters!” she wrote in her statement, published by the National Catholic Reporter. “It is a reflection of how this whole abuse crisis in the Church has been handled: with fine words in public and contrary actions behind closed doors.”

    Well worth reading the whole article.



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  • The thing about the Roman Catholic Church is that what most people think it’s there for – the practice of religion and the teaching of morality – isn’t actually its core business at all.

    Rather, the RCC is, in effect, a massive corporation, managing vast wealth and a host of business and banking interests. And it is managed with precisely the commitment to ethics that we have come to expect of the world’s largest corporations: i.e. as little as it can possibly get away with.

    The first man to run APSA [Amministrazione della Sede Apostolica, an administrative body set up by the Holy See in 1870 to manage its assets] “accepted the job on condition that he would be free to invest wherever he wanted, without any geographical, ethical or doctrinal restrictions”.

    But that’s only the start of it.

    “Ever since 1945 rumours have spread that the IOR [Istituto per le Opere de Religione] had been instrumental in laundering Nazi financial transactions and that it was a safe haven for money and gold which were looted by the Nazis and by some of their collaborators. The Vatican has been steadfast in its denials of these rumours. It has also been steadfast in denying access to its records. […] A 1948 US Treasury Department report said that the Vatican held on to Ustasha [a Croatian fascist group – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usta%C5%A1e ] funds. Some reports suggested that these monies have since been transferred by the IOR to Nazis who had fled to Argentina. According to the writers Aarons and Loftus, ‘the bulk of stolen Nazi money was laundered from Switzerland through the one bank that can never be audited. The trail of Nazi money leads to one financial institution with total diplomatic immunity: the Vatican Bank’.”

    Then there are its investment decisions:

    “Whilst opposing the use of contraceptives, the Vatican owned shares in Istituto Famacologico Serono, which produced the oral contraceptive Luteolas.”

    “Amongst others, the Vatican, directly or indirectly, seems to have owned shares in arms manufacturers and even a porn printing house.”

    During the apartheid regime in South Africa, “most of the world (including all US financial institutions)” boycotted bond issues for South African government entities … but the Vatican participated in them “substantially”.

    “Right from the beginning, the vatican allowed the IOR to be used as a convenient instrument for affluent Italians who wanted to spirit money out of Italy to safe-havens such as the US or Switzerland” – always taking a significant cut each time, of course.

    There’s so much more, too: money-laundering, money smuggling, taking cuts from illegal financial dealings. “According to a [2003] report on worldwide fiscal havens, the Vatican is included in the list of top ten money-laundering destinations.”

    And so it goes on … and on … and on …. and on.

    All quotes are from a fascinating book, Double Cross: The Code of the Catholic Church by David Ranan, that also covers the RCC’s non-financial types of deceit and abuse of power (including the child rape and abuse scandals, of course) from its earliest days right up to 2006, when the book was first published.

    So getting back to Francis and his nice, friendly words … we just need to remember that, despite the enormous power he has within the Vatican, in public he’s acting as PR Manager for a multinational corporation. He’s certainly a more likeable chap than his predecessor, in my view (I welcome anything that will encourage people to treat other people with more tolerance and compassion), but like any pope, his duty, first and foremost, is as CEO of Vatican Enterprises plc.



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  • It seems the inquiry is now bringing information into the open!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39155279

    A former child migrant has described the Australian orphanage he was sent to as “a concentration camp”.

    A statement by John Francis Hanley was read to the Independent Inquiry Into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA).

    Mr Hanley was migrated to Australia aged six and placed in the Castledare Orphanage near Perth, run by Roman Catholic order the Christian Brothers.

    The children were “beaten, abused and used for the Brothers’ perverted desires,” the inquiry heard.

    Mr Hanley, who was born in 1947, described being sexually abused by two Christian Brothers, both in his bed and in their rooms.

    Another man – whom he said “was part of the Christian Brothers paedophile ring” – collected boys from the home and abused them elsewhere, the inquiry heard.

    Mr Hanley was one of thousands of children moved from the UK to Australia after World War Two.

    He said the Christian Brothers withheld his real name, which prevented him tracing his real family later in life.

    “I believe it was part of the cover-up to ensure my mother could never find me,” he said.

    Many years later, when he accessed a Catholic Church document containing his mother’s name, he said he discovered that “I’d had a mother all along and I’d been lied to all my life.”

    He had been deprived “of my family, my identity, my culture and even my own name.”

    “What kind of country would do that to its own little children,” he asked the panel.



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  • For those who might think that sexual repression and domination by theocrats is something from history, here is an example of a couple in the UAE. abused by the theocratic law for having sex without the “correct” theocratic paperwork!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-39208946

    A South African man and his Ukrainian fiancee have been detained in the United Arab Emirates for unlawful sex, a relative says.

    Emlyn Culverwell‚ 29, and Iryna Nohai, 27, were reportedly arrested after a doctor discovered Ms Nohai, who had stomach cramps, was pregnant.

    They were arrested for sex outside of marriage, which is illegal in the UAE.

    South Africa’s foreign ministry has said that it is not able to help the couple as this is a matter of domestic UAE law, News24 reports.

    The South African government has advised the couple to get legal assistance,

    Mr Culverwell and Ms Nohai have reportedly been held since January, but news of their detention has only emerged now.

    Mr Culverwell has been working in the UAE for the past five years.

    The couple have not yet been charged as the authorities are still carrying out tests, Mrs Culverwell added.

    If found guilty, they could face a long jail sentence.



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  • @OP – Scandal is saying one thing and doing another.”
    In the Catholic Church, causing scandal also a grave offense.

    .. . . . He said with a straight face while the sheeple uncritically saw no irony!

    Meanwhile, there are signs that Catholicism is losing its fight on some fronts, and consequently the pope is making wild contorted double-talk statements about “solutions” to self invented problems of sex and celibacy!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39233570

    Pope Francis has said he may consider ordaining married men – under very specific circumstances – to address the shortage of Catholic priests.

    He was speaking about the possibility of viri probati (men of proven faith) carrying out some duties.

    “We have to give a thought to whether viri probati are a possibility,” he told German newspaper Der Zeit, his words translated by Reuters.

    Such men, he said, could possibly work in isolated areas.

    The Latin phrase viri probati is used to refer to married men of strong faith, who are often older with grown children.

    Despite his remarks on the limited possibility of allowing married men to enter the Church, the Pope ruled out dropping celibacy as a requirement for the priesthood.

    He said that voluntary celibacy – giving young priests an option – was “not a solution” to the question.

    Analysis: David Willey, BBC Vatican correspondent, Rome

    One of the most serious problems facing the Catholic Church is the growing shortage of priests. A quarter of Catholic parishes worldwide now have no resident priest.

    Differential growth patterns mean that parishes set up in Europe hundreds of years ago are no longer aligned with the developing world’s expanding Catholic population.

    Although the total number of priests worldwide remains more or less steady at just over 400,000 new vocations are insufficient to replace an ever more ageing priesthood.

    Campaigners for reform of ordination have, in the past, suggested that married men could supplement the clergy in carrying out priestly duties.

    Roman Catholic priests are required to abide by the rule of celibacy upon ordination with very rare exceptions – such as married Anglican ministers who convert.

    It is seen as a symbol of the devotion of one’s life to God, though the rule does not apply to Eastern Rite Churches.

    It seems the younger generation’s move to secular understanding is affecting recruitment of new leaders of delusion, while confused circular debates continue among older leaders stuck in their fossilised beliefs!



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  • @OP – If you’re a Christian who exploits people, leads a double life or manages a “dirty” business, perhaps it’s better not to call yourself a believer, Pope Francis suggested in a homily on Thursday in Rome.

    Cognitive dissonance is definitely needed to protect the false “holier than thou”, image, when the business is a dirty as that run by the Vatican – with a money laundering bank, historical affiliations with the world’s worst dictators, and infliction of human suffering by opposing contraception, family planning, and even opposing condoms protecting people from AIDS!

    Meanwhile as civilised countries become more secular:-

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-39353371

    Teenage pregnancies down to record low

    Fewer teenagers are getting pregnant than ever before in England and Wales, according to new figures.

    Among under-18s, the conception rate has halved in eight years, to 21 per 1,000 women in 2015, data from the Office for National Statistics shows.

    This may be due to young women staying in education for longer, improved access to contraceptives and the stigma of being a teenage mother.

    In 2015, there were 125 conceptions per 1,000 women in their early 30s compared to 127 among women in their late 20s.

    The ONS says more women are conceiving after the age of 30 because of an increasing desire to focus on a career and the rising costs of housing and bringing up children.

    It said uncertainty over job opportunities in the future could also be having an impact.

    More than half of all conceptions and births occurred outside marriage or civil partnerships in England and Wales in 2015.

    Overall, teenage conception rates in 2015 in England and Wales were the lowest recorded since statistics were first produced in 1969.

    Modern secular families don’t seem to need “marriages approved by church or state”, to live in trusting partnerships and care for their children!



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  • From the article:

    ‘But to be a Catholic like that, it’s better to be an atheist.’

    Maybe the Pope is an atheist himself! I mean, who really knows?

    Consider the possibility and then reread the sentence.

    ~shrug~



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  • LaurieB #18
    Mar 23, 2017 at 11:33 am

    From the article: ‘But to be a Catholic like that, it’s better to be an atheist.’

    Maybe the Pope is an atheist himself! I mean, who really knows?

    He is certainly atheistic to all the religions except his own!

    However, I think we need to look more closely at the Catholic theistic interpretation of the word “atheist”, which is often disparagingly applied to non-Catholics who believe in the “wrong gods”!

    It reminds me of a past comment from pleasant Catholic colleague or mine , who found it embarrassing, that the local Catholic priest from the (hillbilly) backwaters of western Ireland, referred to Church of England Protestants as, “pagans”!

    There is probably also a “No True Scotsman”, element in this comment!



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  • A4d

    Monotheists do seem to be unreasonably appalled by the prospect of other people who believe in multiple gods and spirits, etc. In my thirties, I remember a Muslim guy sputtering over the Hindus and their absurd belief in a panoply of confusing, frightening magical beings. He was disgusted. This took me by surprise because as a kid I used to love to read the stories of Greek mythology and about the Roman gods too. I found those stories to be illustrative of the foibles of human nature and the temper tantrums of those multiple gods were much more benign than the genocidal cruelty of the monotheistic god that he worshiped. At the time, I didn’t know enough about Islam to point out that there are serious elements included in his own religion that had been adopted from the Middle Eastern pagan past. Now I know that and I’m happy to come to the defense of the Hindus in this context.

    I won’t have much hope of convincing monotheists that the pagans were only one degree off their own ridiculous belief system (from the perspective of an atheist) but for a Catholic to claim that a Protestant of any stripe is an atheist can’t pass inspection at all!

    I can see that a Catholic would object to many things about how the Protestants practice the rituals around the church services and the things that Protestants emphasize about the teachings of Jesus, but there’s no way that Catholics and Protestants serve two different Gods.

    You know, I’d love to have this discussion with a practicing Catholic. Actually, a practicing Catholic and a practicing Protestant in discussion on this topic would be informative. I’m aware of the criticisms that the Protestants launch against the Catholics because I was raised in the Methodist church but the only thing I know about Catholic criticisms of Protestants is something a Catholic friend once said to me (in jest), “You know you’re going to hell because you’re a heathen who never takes communion or any other sacrament and you never confess a single thing!!!” I told her that’s she’s right about that. I never confess anything to anyone unless I decide it’s right and I never accept obligation to forgive anyone either. I’m the one who decides all of that all by myself!!

    Atheism is freedom.



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  • LaurieB #20
    Mar 24, 2017 at 9:30 am

    I can see that a Catholic would object to many things about how the Protestants practice the rituals around the church services and the things that Protestants emphasize about the teachings of Jesus, but there’s no way that Catholics and Protestants serve two different Gods.

    Thousands of Catholics take woo, idolatry, glorification of delusion, fantasy, exorcism, and psychosis, to a whole new level!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39904846

    Pope Francis was greeted by crowds of hundreds of thousands as he made saints of two shepherd children at the Fatima shrine complex in Portugal.

    “We declare the blissful Francisco Marto and Jacinta Marto saints,” the pontiff said to loud applause.

    It is 100 years since the two – and a third child – reported seeing the Virgin Mary while tending sheep. The third is also on the way to sainthood.

    Some 500,000 worshippers gathered in the town of Fatima, north of Lisbon, for the ceremony on Saturday, the Vatican said in a statement.

    Roman Catholic pilgrims converged on the Fatima Sanctuary from countries as far away as China, Venezuela and East Timor.

    The chapel is built on the very spot where the Virgin Mary is said to have appeared.

    In a video message to the people of Portugal, the Pope said he was going to present himself to Mary “and I need to feel you close, physically and spiritually, so that we are one heart and one mind”.

    The late Pope John Paul II was shot by a Turkish gunman on 13 May 1981.

    He believed that his survival was due to Mary’s divine intervention, and that the third secret had predicted the attack on him.

    John Paul donated the bullet to Fatima, and it was inserted into the crown adorning a statue of Mary there.



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  • A4d

    He believed that his survival was due to Mary’s divine intervention,

    But where was God the whole time this was going on? Asleep at the wheel? He could have smited (smote?) the heathen Turk the minute the guy put his hand on the gun, but nooooo! I have to conclude that God wanted the shooting to happen, probably to teach the Pope a lesson. Probably for the high sin of pride, that’s my guess. I’m sure the Pope is aware of his sin of pride and has floated this spin story about Mary interceding and all that but it’s obviously a cover up for his pride and the fact that God is definitely fed up with him over it.



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