Texas school board can start meetings with prayer: U.S. appeals court

Mar 21, 2017

By Jonathan Stempel

A federal appeals court said on Monday a Texas school board may open its meetings with student-led prayers without violating the U.S. Constitution.

In a 3-0 decision, the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals rejected an appeal by the American Humanist Association, which said the practice by the Birdville Independent School District violated the First Amendment’s prohibition of a government establishment of religion.

The appeals court also reversed a lower court judge’s denial of “qualified immunity” to school board members, and dismissed the case against them. Birdville serves Haltom City, Texas, a suburb of Dallas and Fort Worth.

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11 comments on “Texas school board can start meetings with prayer: U.S. appeals court

  • This again?

    Let’s shoehorn our beliefs into other peoples throats. I am just tired to death with this constant violation of the constitution. I move that if an act like this is, in fact found to be in violation of our constitution, the people responsible do jail time. ENOUGH.

    The only fucking wall that this idiot in office should be building is the one between CHURCH AND STATE.



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  • crookedshoes #1
    Mar 21, 2017 at 1:50 pm

    Let’s shoehorn our beliefs into other peoples throats. I am just tired to death with this constant violation of the constitution.

    There is an interesting reply from the new nomination for the Supreme Court, to a question about one of their other pet attempts at violations of the law !

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39343299

    Supreme Court pick Gorsuch would have ‘no difficulty’ ruling against Trump
    Asked about abortion, he said the key Roe v Wade case was a precedent of the Supreme Court, reaffirmed many times.

    Mr Gorsuch acknowledged the case was a reaffirmed precedent, but added: “I’m not in a position to tell you whether I personally like or dislike a precedent. That’s not relevant to my job.”



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  • I suppose people could protest by going to the meetings and refusing to participate in the prayers, or speak over them with some flaky prayer. I doubt any court would tell them they could not.



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  • Or take a small figurine of Satan into the meeting and pray to it when the godbotherers start up. That might discourage the idiots from imposing prayer on everyone.



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  • They feel “vindicated”, the sons of bitches. So sick of this bullshit too, crookedshoes.

    “Most attendees at school-board meetings, including [Isaiah] Smith, are mature adults,” and even board members’ “polite” requests that the audience stand during invocations “do not coerce prayer,” [Judge] Smith wrote.

    Mature adults; not like those deluded and puerile fools that want to pray to their non-existent Gawd! Yeah, the same old bullshit, trying to fudge the issue. Totally inappropriate, and alienating to those who are not religious. I’d politely ask them to stop praying and then maybe I wouldn’t be so polite. I hope they appeal the case. This is going to spread, I fear.



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  • Dan #5
    Mar 22, 2017 at 1:44 am

    “Most attendees at school-board meetings, including [Isaiah] Smith, are mature adults,” and even board members’ “polite” requests that the audience stand during invocations “do not coerce prayer,”(post-mature-senile-in-second-childhood?) [Judge] Smith wrote.

    Mature adults; not like those deluded and puerile fools that want to pray to their non-existent Gawd!

    If it was evident that they were adults, there would be no need to assert it was so, while expressing childhood fantasies which indicate otherwise! – Rather like the “self evident” presence of gods on Earth – a [insert name of religion] god which can only be perceived through the eyes of those under the direction of their [insert name] god-delusion! !



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  • Sohail #4
    Mar 21, 2017 at 8:28 pm

    Or take a small figurine of Satan into the meeting and pray to it when the godbotherers start up. That might discourage the idiots from imposing prayer on everyone.

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=lanzarote+Timanfaya+National+Park+image&client=firefox-b&tbm=isch&imgil=lzNjRAXEd_OHQM%253A%253Bf18X1l4-P1UI4M%253Bhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.dreamstime.com%25252Fstock-image-lanzarote-timanfaya-national-park-image22981851&source=iu&pf=m&fir=lzNjRAXEd_OHQM%253A%252Cf18X1l4-P1UI4M%252C_&usg=__Kmq2Y7cqVhEtDZEoNuEoIhDPg_g%3D&biw=905&bih=583#imgrc=lzNjRAXEd_OHQM:

    Perhaps a holiday souvenir pendant, worn where others would wear a cross, would make a point!
    Who could possibly object to a copy of a road sign announcing the entrance to a world famous national park? 🙂



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  • Alan 7

    Just to be clear, it was – if I read the article correctly – the religious judge Smith who referred to the attendees (including a young man also named Smith who was opposed to the judge’s ruling) as “mature adults”. I interpreted that as a condescending, ironic, and dismissive statement; it is precisely the maturity of the young man (Isaiah Smith) that made him voice his opposition to prayers being held at a school related function – whether it’s held in a classroom or not. Only an immature person would acquiesce in a matter as serious and offensive as this one.



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  • Dan #9
    Mar 22, 2017 at 2:15 pm

    Alan 7 – Just to be clear, it was – if I read the article correctly – the religious judge Smith who referred to the attendees (including a young man also named Smith who was opposed to the judge’s ruling) as “mature adults”.

    The young man clearly had the clarity of mind and maturity to object to this imposition by one religious group.

    I interpreted that as a condescending, ironic, and dismissive statement;

    The dismissive statement was condescending, ironic, and an immature self-centred view.

    it is precisely the maturity of the young man (Isaiah Smith) that made him voice his opposition to prayers being held at a school related function

    Those who insisted on imposing their prayers on others – and the judge backing them, clearly lacked the maturity to see the issue from any perspective other than from their own self-centred god-deluded view!



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  • @OP – Texas school board can start meetings with prayer: U.S. appeals court

    SO:- to comply with the law and Sharia Law:-
    All you Christians will now kneel facing Mecca, bow your heads down low, and heed the call to prayer while we read the words of the prophet (peace be upon Him) from the Holy Quoran! 🙂



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