Energy Secretary Rick Perry says CO2 is not the main driver of climate change

Jun 21, 2017

By Tom DiChristopher

Energy Secretary Rick Perry told CNBC on Monday he does not believe carbon dioxide emissions from human activity are the main driver of climate change, joining the EPA administrator in casting doubt on the conclusion of some of the government’s top scientists.

Asked whether CO2 emissions are primarily responsible for climate change, Perry told CNBC’s “Squawk Box”: “No, most likely the primary control knob is the ocean waters and this environment that we live in.”

“The fact is this shouldn’t be a debate about, ‘Is the climate changing, is man having an effect on it?’ Yeah, we are. The question should be just how much, and what are the policy changes that we need to make to effect that?” he said.

In March, Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Scott Pruitt told “Squawk Box” he does not believe carbon dioxide is a primary contributor to global warming.

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13 comments on “Energy Secretary Rick Perry says CO2 is not the main driver of climate change

  • @OP – Energy Secretary Rick Perry told CNBC on Monday he does not believe carbon dioxide emissions from human activity are the main driver of climate change, joining the EPA administrator in casting doubt on the conclusion of some of the government’s top scientists.

    So while political appointee science illiterates spout drivel in the USA –
    other people are getting prepared with action!

    1370: Petrol stations to go electric

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-40352884

    Petrol stations and motorway services will be required to install electric charge points, under plans outlined in the Queen’s Speech.

    The measure forms part of a [UK] government push to increase the number of electric vehicles on UK roads.

    The Automated and Electric Vehicles Bill also contains plans to push driverless car technology.

    It includes an extension of car insurance to cover the use of automated vehicles.

    The government has also committed to spending £600m during this Parliament to support the growing market for low-emission vehicles.

    In the first quarter of 2017, 13,800 ultra-low emission vehicles were registered, up 17% from the same time last year.

    More effort and government support is needed, but at least this is a step in the right direction if there is a system of electric fuelling points on the main motorway networks.



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  • No, most likely the primary control knob is the ocean waters and this environment that we live in.”

    What elegant science! What clarity of language and penetrating insight!

    “This idea that science is just absolutely settled and if you don’t believe it’s settled then somehow you’re another neanderthal, that is so inappropriate from my perspective.”

    With his insight into perspective he is indeed a veritable, human camera obscura. Well, obscure anyhow.



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  • Those statements contradict the public stance of the Environmental Protection Agency,

    Not the relevant, what the media really need to be saying here is…”Those statements contradict all the evidence.”



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  • …if there is a system of electric fueling points on the main
    motorway networks.

    If I was younger, I’d set up a charging station along with a restaurant. If it takes a minimum of 30 minutes to charge a car, I’ll bet I could make a killing in the restaurant!



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  • Excellent

    Sell the idea to Denny’s.

    “Start the Day ReCharged.”

    Electricity $2.50 cost for 20kWh

    This might complement another renewable/circular energy business I once conceived. Fat has huge energy content. I thought putting a little power station next to each liposuction clinic…..



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  • Rod- the point is not Perry’s lack of qualifications. While the finer points of climate science require a migraine-inducing tureen of Greek alphabet math soup, the basics are not that difficult to grasp. The point is that Perry and his ilk are being deliberately obtuse for the benefit of Adam Smith’s “vile masters of mankind.”

    Thanks to Fourier, we’ve known about the greenhouse effect for nearly 200 years. Thanks to Tyndall, we’ve known CO2 was one of the culprits for over 150 years. And not until the notion began to threaten the profits the Big Energy political-donor class, did bought-off buffoons like Perry rise up to question it.



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  • rjohn19 #7
    Jun 22, 2017 at 12:18 am

    Rod- the point is not Perry’s lack of qualifications.

    The point is that Perry and his ilk are being deliberately obtuse for the benefit of Adam Smith’s “vile masters of mankind.”

    Indeed so!
    It is a common ploy of denialists and creationists, to ignore scientific methodology, revert to the “circular conclusions from biased preconceptions” of a faith-head science illiterate, and stick an asserted badge of science qualifications and “logic” on to the garbage, as a badge of false authority!

    This is well illustrated in the internet petitions signed by thousands of AGM denialists who have some unused or irrelevant science qualifications, but have not mastered the skill of identifying reputable information sources!
    (Hence their information comes from Faux News, Dimbart, or Infowhores!)



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  • rod-the-farmer #2
    Jun 21, 2017 at 3:04 pm

    Rick Perry has a degree in animal science. That is all. Nothing to indicate he is an expert on atmospheric warming.

    I usually start a challenge with “science illiterate” – giving them the benefit of the doubt!

    I they want assert scientific competence, when asserting false information, and move to “knowingly corruptly dishonest”, I have no objection to them wearing that alternative label!



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  • rod-the-farmer #2
    Jun 21, 2017 at 3:04 pm

    Rick Perry has a degree in animal science.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_science

    Animal Science is described as “studying the biology of animals that are under the control of humankind”.[1]
    Historically, the degree was called animal husbandry and the animals studied were livestock species, like cattle, sheep, pigs, poultry, and horses.

    A clear yell-leader qualification for a Trump “YahHoo”!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Perry

    Upon graduation from high school, Perry attended Texas A&M University where he was a member of the Corps of Cadets and the Alpha Gamma Rho fraternity.
    He was elected senior class social secretary, and one of A&M’s five yell leaders-students that lead Aggie fans in a series of “yells” during athletic events or other school events.[10][11]
    He graduated in 1972 with a Bachelor of Science degree in animal science.[12][13]

    Perry said that the Corps of Cadets gave him the discipline to complete his animal sciences degree and earn a commission in the Air Force.

    Apparently a degree in the biology of farm animals was considered a qualification for joining the Air Force! – and some people say, “Pigs can’t fly”! 🙂

    That is all. Nothing to indicate he is an expert on atmospheric warming. Other than personally contributing to hot air generation.

    That is not to disparage genuine courses at agricultural colleges, but I would have thought the courses on crop production would have been more relevant to weather and climate sciences! – Especially more so than any courses on the biology of housed animals – such as intensive indoor pig production, barley-beef, battery hens, broiler chickens, or stabled horses!
    However, he does not seem to have used or applied his degree, to work actually farming animals!

    He left the United States Air Force in 1977 with the rank of Captain, returned to Texas, and went into business farming cotton with his father.
    In 1984, Perry was elected to the Texas House of Representatives

    An unused degree in animal biology does not sound like much of an engineering qualification for handling the technical issues of the energy industries either!



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  • @Vicki

    If I was younger, I’d set up a charging station along with a restaurant. If it takes a minimum of 30 minutes to charge a car, I’ll bet I could make a killing in the restaurant!

    This is a great idea. If you have a look at the map of charging stations here in Australia, it’s piddlingly small. So there is a tremendous opportunity along these lines.

    In Australia many small town are in crisis because a major motorway will divert around a town that was on the route to a major city. It strikes me that this would be a small investment in the future to pull people back into a small town. If you are trying to drive from A to B in an electric car and you need to divert 5km off the motorway, you’ll now stop and charge and wander around the town buying lunch, visiting the local businesses. I would think that the money to fit some charger to a few power poles by the side of the road would be a small price to pay for future traffic.

    Although here in Australia because there are few charge points the car manufactures are often not marketing electric cars to us that are already freely available in Europe. Even when they do often we have to wait a couple of years more. This is largely because the charging infrastructure is not there yet in a very large country. However unlike going to a hydrogen fuel economy most of the infrastructure is already present, there are powerlines beside most motorways and highways in Australia so it is just a matter of hooking a charge point to one of these every 200km or so at first between the major cities. So far no one is visionary enough yet.

    Fully charged showed an excellent implementation of this technology where existing lamp posts are modified to also become charge points, instead of rigging the post with the connections to the Internet, so money can change hands, subscribers receive a charging cable with all this built in. This keeps the modifications to post itself minimal.

    here

    In Australia at least fuel stops are becoming massive complexes with built in McDonalds often as with such distances between major centers it is often necessary to break up a journey (this may be a global phenomenon) . This combined with the low profit margin for operators of fuel stations means the bulk of their profits come from people purchasing a pie, drink and chocy while purchasing fuel. So having a captive audience for 30mins seems a sound financial move especially if you are one of the first. And this will be all we need. Let’s say BP (who like to consider themselves an energy company now) put a single charge point on each of their big fuel stations and offered as you say somewhere nice and cool to sit and enjoy a nice coffee and a muffin or something. The market for electric cars in this country would explode, likewise the hassle of maintaining underground fuel tanks, pumps and having to re-fuel would be gradually phased out. Suburban fuel stations will probably become comparatively underutilized as people who own an electric car will likely charge at home, so you will be rely more on charging at home. Thus people who will be charging with you will be people caught low or more likely people who are not from your town and have had to drive their for business or are traveling through in either case they will likely need to hang about for 15-30 mins before going again. Makes sense to have some way of feeding them doesn’t it?



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  • Reckless Monkey #11
    Jun 24, 2017 at 7:39 pm

    This is a great idea. If you have a look at the map of charging stations here in Australia, it’s piddlingly small.
    So there is a tremendous opportunity along these lines.

    . . . . And while the market for charging points and electric cars is expanding, so is the larger scale use of batteries, to smooth out peaks of demand!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-40527784

    An Australian state will install the world’s largest lithium ion battery in a “historic” deal with electric car firm Tesla and energy company Neoen.

    The battery will protect South Australia from the kind of energy crisis which famously blacked out the state, Premier Jay Weatherill said.

    Tesla boss Elon Musk confirmed a much-publicised promise to build it within 100 days, or do it for free.

    The 100-megawatt (129 megawatt hour) battery should be ready this year.

    “There is certainly some risk, because this will be largest battery installation in the world by a significant margin,” Mr Musk said in Adelaide on Friday.

    He added that “the next biggest battery in the world is 30 megawatts”.

    The Tesla-built battery, paired with a Neoen wind farm, will operate around the clock and be capable of providing additional power during emergencies, the government said.

    “It will completely transform the way in which renewable energy is stored, and also stabilise the South Australian network as well as putting downward pressure on prices,” Mr Weatherill said.

    Mr Musk’s 100-day pledge will begin once an electricity grid interconnection agreement has been signed.

    Tesla has been expanding its battery business alongside its car production.



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  • @OP – Asked whether CO2 emissions are primarily responsible for climate change, Perry told CNBC’s “Squawk Box”:
    “No, most likely the primary control knob is the ocean waters and this environment that we live in.”

    Which is either disingenuous, or pig ignorance, given that ocean absorption of heat and CO2 are some of the regulating factors in the carbon cycle which are being overloaded by man made CO2 releases.

    It is on a par with the lame-brain ignoramus claim: –
    “The climate has always changed – THEREFORE – there are no input causes identified by science – because I have no idea what I am talking about, due to lack of study, so everybody else must be as ignorant as I am and nobody knows how any of this works”!



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