Evangelicals Shouldn’t Praise Mike Pence for Walking Out on Kneeling NFL Players

Oct 9, 2017

By Hemant Mehta

This afternoon, after nearly two dozen players on the San Francisco 49ers knelt during the National Anthem before a game against the hometown Indianapolis Colts, Vice President Mike Pence walked out in his own counter-protest, saying on Twitter “I will not dignify any event that disrespects our soldiers, our Flag, or our National Anthem.”

Donald Trump, as usual, put even that narrative into doubt with his own tweet saying that he told Pence to walk out in the case of any anthem kneeling. (Since that protest was virtually inevitable, it means Pence used taxpayer money to travel to a football game in his home state despite pre-planning his exit before the opening kickoff.)

But the Religious Right is convinced Pence did the right thing. Among those cheering Pence’s decision was Christian evangelist Franklin Graham, who offered “Three cheers for Vice President Mike Pence and his wife Karen for walking out!”

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16 comments on “Evangelicals Shouldn’t Praise Mike Pence for Walking Out on Kneeling NFL Players

  • @OP Vice President Mike Pence walked out in his own counter-protest, saying on Twitter
    “I will not dignify any event that disrespects our soldiers,
    our Flag, or our National Anthem.”

    This arrogant twit thinks HIS posing presence, adds something to a football game!
    As for “disrespecting soldiers”, there don’t seem to have been any soldiers playing in the match – although there were probably quite a few soldiers and veterans watching it!

    Donald Trump, as usual, put even that narrative into doubt with his own tweet saying that he told Pence to walk out in the case of any anthem kneeling.

    So with closed minds and in denial of the actual protest against racism in the police and political establishment, they organised a silly stunt and the spouting of self-aggrandising diversionary rhetoric!

    (Since that protest was virtually inevitable,
    it means Pence used taxpayer money to travel to a football game in his home state
    despite pre-planning his exit before the opening kickoff.)

    With white supremacists on the streets, a racism scandal in the police force causing protests, and the White House an adult day care center, – he probably can’t think of anything more important to do! 🙂

    Perhaps some honest “respect” could be shown, at this, or at any future occurrence, by offering his seat (and those of any accompanying him) to some racially abused citizen(s) or some deprived American or veteran, who cannot afford a ticket!



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  • I thought the article would be about “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image” from Exodus. Seems only the Amish and Jehovah Witness take this one seriously. Most evangelicals seem perfectly happy to worship the flag.



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  • Apparently “free speech” or critical commenting on racial injustice , is not allowed at ESPN!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41561408

    A US cable sports anchor who was reprimanded for calling President Donald Trump a white supremacist has been suspended after her latest tweets.

    ESPN said presenter Jemele Hill would be off air for two weeks because of a “second violation of our social media guidelines”.

    It rather looks like the, “Thou shat not criticise, advertisers, the elite, or the abuses of corporate America” guidelines!

    The network did not specify how she fell foul of its policies this time.

    But on Sunday she appeared to urge a boycott of an NFL owner who vowed to punish players in on-field protests.

    Some NFL stars have been kneeling or sitting during the US national anthem in recent weeks to highlight perceived police brutality and racial injustice.

    Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones on Sunday warned players they would be benched if they did not stand during the Star-Spangled Banner.

    Ms Hill, an African-American co-host of the SportsCenter programme, tweeted: “Jerry Jones also has created a problem for his players, specifically the black ones. If they don’t kneel, some will see them as sellouts.”

    She added: “If you feel strongly about JJ’s statement, boycott his advertisers.”

    Last month Ms Hill was disciplined after calling President Trump “a white supremacist”, a “bigot” and the “most ignorant, offensive president of my lifetime”.

    In a statement, the network said her “inappropriate” remarks did not represent the company and that it had addressed the issue with her.

    White House spokeswoman Sarah Sanders called those tweets “outrageous”.

    Those inconvenient embarrassing truths just have to be suppressed in the realm of corporate America!

    There are of course those who would regard the appointment of Sarah Sanders to public office, as “outrageous”. 🙂



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  • Throughout human history, as far as I can determine, kneeling has been a sign of respect, and perhaps submission. We kneel to the monarch and in all religions to god. I know of no instances where kneeling is or was regarded as an insult. How can kneeling in protest be construed as insulting or disrespectful?? It is dignified, passive and apposite; befitting dissent from a people who have endured centuries of oppression and hostility.



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  • @ link @#3 – Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones on Sunday warned players they would be benched if they did not stand during the Star-Spangled Banner.

    If enough of the star players call his bluff, and are put on the bench while less able players take their places, the team will lose its games, and the supporters and advertisers will look for someone to blame.

    While some may support the owner, if a significant proportion decide to boycott matches until the club is fielding proper teams with a chance of winning, the owner and the club will lose money, value, and status!
    They may also be disciplined by the league governing body for deliberately fielding an understrength side which is expected to lose!



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  • http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41568978

    US President Donald Trump has called for the National Football League (NFL) to be stripped of tax advantages.

    In a tweet he complained the league had received “massive” tax breaks, while some of its players had been “disrespecting” the national anthem.

    The teams pay tax, but have often received public support to build stadiums.

    The NFL league office, which oversees rules, referees and the college draft, gave up its tax-exempt status in 2015.

    Mr Trump has criticised players sharply for the protests and pressed the NFL to ban them.

    Former San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick started the protest when he sat down as the Star-Spangled Banner played during a pre-season game in 2016.

    He explained his gesture, which later became known as taking a knee, was meant to highlight racial injustice and police brutality against African Americans.

    Angered by Mr Trump’s comments on the issue, dozens of other players have joined the protest.

    So we have yet another example of Trump’s big mouth Twitterings aggravating and escalating problems, which as president, he SHOULD be helping to resolve by reforming the poorly performing services the players are protesting about!

    He continues to use the gross incompetent’s formula, of misdirected brute force, stupidity, denial, and ignorance – lashing out at anyone who objects to anything, or criticises failures in the sphere of his responsibilities and contrary to his delusions of personal “greatness”! !



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  • As a site based upon reason and science, why should we accept the faulty idea of “race” at all ? True people have different skin colours, different hair types, and so on, but as far as I know, we are all of the same “race” , i.e. capable of interbreeding.

    As far as national anthems are concerned, – bollocks to them all. I’m fed up with flag waving nationalists and their poisons. Let’s have a world where people instead have things in common, instead of artificial differences driven by the politics of a particular nation or noxious ideologies. Indeed a world without countries !



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  • Mr DArcy #7
    Oct 10, 2017 at 3:24 pm

    True people have different skin colours, different hair types,
    and so on, but as far as I know, we are all of the same “race”,
    i.e. capable of interbreeding.
    As far as national anthems are concerned, –
    bollocks to them all.
    I’m fed up with flag waving nationalists and their poisons.

    If we think of the English or Scottish Premier League football (soccer) teams of international players, to play a particular national anthem and expect everyone to revere it, would be ridiculous!

    http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/10725849/premier-league-has-highest-percentage-of-foreign-players-8211-uefa-report

    The [English] Premier League has the highest percentage of foreign players of any European League, a new UEFA report has revealed.

    The club licencing benchmarking report shows that 69.2 per cent of Premier League players are foreigners – significantly higher than the next competition, the Cypriot first division (57.1 per cent).

    There are six other European leagues in which the majority of players are foreigners – and they include both the Championship and the Scottish Premiership.



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  • Mr DArcy #7
    Oct 10, 2017 at 3:24 pm
    As a site based upon reason and science, why should we accept the faulty idea of “race” at all ?

    I think the term “race” is used loosely, to describe immigrant cultural groups, and linguistic groupings, as an apartheid issue, rather than in a biological sense.



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  • http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/american-football/41575318

    The NFL will discuss the issue of players kneeling during the United States national anthem when it meets in New York next week.

    Kneeling at NFL games has become a form of protest against racial injustice.

    NFL commissioner Roger Goodell says disputes over the protests threaten “to erode the game’s unifying power” and called on clubs to resolve the issue.

    Goodell said the anthem controversy was a “barrier to honest conversations and making real progress”.

    In a letter sent to NFL teams, he added: “Like many of our fans, we believe that everyone should stand for the national anthem. It is an important moment in our game.

    “We want to honour our flag and our country, and our fans expect that of us.

    “We also care deeply about our players and respect their opinions and concerns about critical social issues.”

    So the solution COULD be simple!
    The NFL could support its players who are seeking a leadership in the country which has some “honour”, and system of policing, which is worthy of respect! – and ignore the ranting of Trump, Trumpies, DimBart, and Faux!

    There is nothing majestic of honourable about the Trump regime, so its demands for “respect” should simply be dismissed – along with the lies which appear on twitter and in the false-news outlets!

    The British public dumped these quaint National Anthem customs at the end of theatre and cinema performances, decades ago! – (As for a while, the old guard stood to attention – while everyone else left, and took all the taxis lined up outside.) 🙂



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  • Here’s a slightly different bent: IMO, all Pence did was draw attention to how much money he has or to the fact that he was at the game for free. Understand this, walking out on a football game is a luxury of the rich.

    Season’s tickets for my home team (Philly Eagles), are a very very expensive and serious commodity. It costs 40 dollars to PARK. You must purchase a “seat license” in order to have the opportunity to own the seats. There is a waiting list that is currently at 40,000 people. 40,000 waiting to buy the tickets! So, a pair of seats at the 50 yard line run you between 110 dollars each to about 600 dollars each. let’s use $300 a seat as our measuring stick. There are 8 games plus two preseason games that you must purchase. So you are spending 6000 on tickets, another 400 on parking, and then food/merch. Add to that another 10000 for your seat licenses and you are into the Philadelphia Eagles for close to TWENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS A SEASON.

    No one, NO ONE, who is into the sport at that level of investment, walks out. Unless they are a rich asshole who is gaining more by leaving than they are spending by staying.



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  • And, while I am still on the ticket site, the box Pence was sitting in would cost about $30,000 a game (not per seat, but for the entire box). Doing a quick “times ten” for the ten games of the season, the host is out 300,000 for the season.



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  • When ‘respect’ has to be demanded under duress, it has no worth.

    As for “White House spokeswoman” Sarah Sanders calling those tweets “outrageous”, it appears she is as ignorant of a citizen’s First Amendment rights as is her repulsive boss.



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  • As far as national anthems are concerned, – bollocks to them all

    I wonder why so many people claim they are “proud to be an American” (or Canadian or Malawian). Why be proud of something over which you have no control?

    Instead, be proud of your achievements. Be proud of your children. Be proud of all you have done to make this world a better place. But please don’t be proud of a simple accident of birth.



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  • I see the NFL is taking a slightly less aggressive approach, in which it gives a little more respect to players rights to protest about serious issues!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41672487

    The NFL will not force its players to stand during the national anthem despite backlash over recent protests, the league’s commissioner says.

    Roger Goodell said he would “encourage” players to stand, but would not punish them if they refused to do so.

    The NFL chief said he was “not looking to get into politics” and wished instead to keep the focus on football.

    Mr Trump later tweeted: “Too much talk, not enough action. Stand for the National Anthem.”

    Hours earlier, he took to Twitter to accuse the league of “total disrespect” for not punishing players who kneel.

    Mr Trump has previously insisted that players who failed to stand should be fired or suspended.

    Mr Goodell said about half a dozen players are still protesting and the league would work “to get that to zero”.

    Of course the best way to get the numbers to zero, is to deal with the racial problems, rather than Trump sitting in denial (of yet another) of his responsibilities, and encouraging the threatening of the protesters.



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