Pat Robertson: Disrespect For Trump Caused Las Vegas Shooting

Oct 3, 2017

By Michael Stone

Televangelist Pat Robertson blames Las Vegas shooting on disrespect for Trump, the national anthem, and God.

Robertson, host of  the long-running 700 Club television show, told his audience that the deadliest mass shooting in American history was caused by people disrespecting President Trump, the National Anthem, and God.

Appearing on his program Monday, Robertson commented on the Las Vegas shooting, declaring:

Violence in the streets, ladies and gentlemen. Why is it happening? The fact that we have disrespect for authority; there is profound disrespect for our president, all across this nation they say terrible things about him. It’s in the news, it’s in other places. There is disrespect now for our national anthem, disrespect for our veterans, disrespect for the institutions of our government, disrespect for the court system. All the way up and down the line, disrespect.

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51 comments on “Pat Robertson: Disrespect For Trump Caused Las Vegas Shooting

  • @OP – Televangelist Pat Robertson blames Las Vegas shooting on disrespect for Trump, the national anthem, and God.

    .. . . . And a healthy disregard by many, of the despicable ranting idiot delusional apologists, who can’t see the mental-illness+gun problem in front of their noses, because of their bigotry-blinkers!



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  • This guy is just plain crazy. And I believe he may be evil. (Wicked, cruel, if you prefer.)

    Robertson is truly one of the darkest figures in American life. And there are many who think just like him. And there are many who confide in him, support and respect him – including Trump; and Bannon too, I am sure.

    The lunatic fringe is on the rise now. Our president likes Robertson! May reason, our progressive leaders in office, and above all, the actions of the citizenry, public activism, help us! It’s a very, very difficult time to be an American.

    I don’t know what will happen.



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  • I do know what will happen if the Christian Right keeps getting what they want: we will lose all of our freedoms, and America will become like certain other countries that we now (still) regard as our enemies and whose societies have values that are in opposition to our values. Exactly like Animal Farm.

    Phil, here’s something (a very complex issue) that perhaps we can discuss on the new Open Discussion thread: “bad” versus mentally ill. Are some people just plain bad and what does that mean? Or is everything reducible to mental illness? Or can one be both mentally ill and bad? (How can one be bad if one’s “badness” springs from illness?) What might be the difference?



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  • Televangelist Pat Robertson

    The clue to the irrational addled thinking, is in the word “Televangelist”!

    While I only look briefly at Televangelists on TV while scanning channels, they all seem to be mentally inadequate individuals who are obsessive about their god-delusions, and usually apologists for irrational mental contortions, claiming that the outcomes of fatalism and misplaced “faith”, are benefits/punishments, resulting from god-did-it-for-us to the benefit or instruction of human followers!

    Classically, Roberson blames anyone thinking outside of his “delusional box of self-deception and faith fantasies”, for any damage to communities, while demanding “respect” for his stupidity and the stupidity of those like him!



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  • @Alan #4

    Your comments regarding irrational thinking televangelists are spot on. What puzzles me is how such a technologically advanced nation such as the USA can give the time of day to the rantings of these sorts of people. FWIW my own hunch on the horrendous mass killings is that the perpetrator was fed up with his humdrum life that was spent mostly in gambling parlours, and wanted to go out with a bang. He couldn’t easily do this by performing a good deed, but was certainly able to by performing a terrible one, thus becoming infamous rather than famous!

    One can make a very weak argument about the necessity of keeping a small hand gun for self protection purposes, especially in the USA. But how does that translate to the selling of automatic and/or machine guns openly to the public? Why on earth is the man in the street going to need to buy such a weapon in the first place, if not for wholly malicious purposes? It’s truly baffling that the U.S. politicians still allow the selling of such lethal weapons.



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  • Erol #5
    Oct 4, 2017 at 9:21 am

    @Alan #4

    Your comments regarding irrational thinking televangelists are spot on.
    What puzzles me is how such a technologically advanced nation such as the USA
    can give the time of day to the rantings of these sorts of people.

    I think the clue is in pockets of educated scientific expertise, within particular businesses and communities.

    Televangelism, technologies, and management expertise, are just marketable commodities, as far as the purchasing uneducated wealthy elite are concerned!

    The best illustration I can think of, is the YEC Televangelists’ use of electronics and satellite communications, to spread their science-denying ignorance!

    FWIW my own hunch on the horrendous mass killings is that the perpetrator was fed up with his humdrum life that was spent mostly in gambling parlours, and wanted to go out with a bang.

    He appears to have been wealthy, so like Robertson, he could well have been looking for undeserved respect and recognition, in keeping with the pompous Trump ethos of, “abuse critics”, and “award yourself an A+ grade”, for the arrogant bumbling incompetence which would score Z- , if assessed by the experts Trump has sacked!



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  • ( #4 Alan4Discussion ….. “Roberson blames anyone thinking outside of his “delusional box of self-deception and faith fantasies”, for any damage to communities, while demanding “respect” for his stupidity and the stupidity of those like him!”).

    I think you also have to factor in the embedded racism of people like him. I mean, how could a wealthy white gun-owning man possibly do anything wrong? Now, if he had been one of them mooslums…….



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  • @ OP – disrespect for Trump, the national anthem, and God.

    But think of the respect for Trump’s edicts on access to guns, by those who supplied the weapons! –
    A topic Trump ducked, when asked during his visit to the scene of the shooting!

    rogeroney #7
    Oct 4, 2017 at 2:37 pm

    Now, if he had been one of them mooslums…….

    Of course ISIS has the same “respect” for “God” and the use of weapons, as Robertson!

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-avoids-talk-gun-control-las-vegas-visit/story?id=50263072

    President Donald Trump met with victims of Sunday’s mass shooting in Las Vegas Wednesday, three days after the attack that killed 58 and injured hundreds.

    Trump declined to discuss gun control measures, even as a bill was introduced in Washington, D.C., to outlaw the kind of equipment used by the shooter to accelerate his firing capabilities.

    Asked by a reporter at the University Medical Center in Las Vegas if the United States has a “gun violence problem,” the president dismissed the question.

    “We’re not going to talk about that today,” said Trump. “We won’t talk about that.”



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  • I don’t know why anyone would be surprised by what these people (Robertson, that Fox News hostess etc) say as behind it all is a shed load of money which they live high on the hog on. I doubt most of them are even christians or necessarily religious at all and even if they are they don’t actually live up to any of those supposed ideals. I see today that congressman Tim Murphy (republican, PA) has decided to retire after his own sins came to light. He’s a far far right christian conservative, family values and rabid anti abortionist in Congress who just happened to also be running a mistress as well as his wife it seems but when he thought (wrongly) he’d got the mistress pregnant he urged her to get an abortion.

    To be honest these people are just lying scum with no morals and Trump is now the turd floating right at the top of their sewer. This huge pool of money from dumb, gullible, imaginary-god fearing bible thumpers that goes into the pockets of televangelists and mega-church pastors simply doesn’t exist in other western deomocracies but where there’s a willing mark there’ll always be a conman trying to fleece him.



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  • I see that even the Republicans in Congress are making token gestures towards looking at, and recognising, the gun control problem!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41506613

    Congress’ most powerful Republican says lawmakers should examine “bump-stocks”, a rapid-fire accessory used by the gunman in Sunday’s Las Vegas massacre.

    House of Representatives Speaker Paul Ryan told a radio talk show: “Clearly that’s something we need to look into.”

    Texas Senator John Cornyn – the number two Republican in the Senate – has called for hearings into the devices.

    A bump-stock attaches to the butt of a rifle, allowing the weapon to fire close to the rate of a machine gun.

    Stephen Paddock, the gunman in Las Vegas, had fixed the accessories to 12 rifles.

    Analysis by Anthony Zurcher, BBC North America reporter

    It appears a move to ban bump-stock devices is picking up steam in Congress. Some normally staunch gun-control opponents seem willing to consider new legislation.
    The NRA, which opposes just about any new regulations, has gone silent.

    That’s going to change soon.

    The challenge for gun rights supporters is a bump-stock ban opens the door for a new debate about where to draw the line over limiting a firearm’s lethality. For decades it’s been at how many bullets can be fired with one trigger pull.

    Bump-stocks blur that line. Can you outlaw a device that helps squeeze off rounds more quickly but not think about prohibiting quick-change magazines or limiting their sizes? Or banning pistol grips, which make firing easier?

    It won’t take many Republicans, with the NRA looking over their shoulder, to grind the process to a halt.

    Five reasons US gun control won’t happen

    “I didn’t even know what they were until this week,” Mr Ryan, a Wisconsin congressman, said on Thursday of bump-stocks.

    He told talk show host Hugh Hewitt: “I think we’re quickly coming up to speed with what this is.”

    For years Republicans in Congress, as well as conservative Democrats, have blocked gun control efforts in the wake of violent tragedies.

    But now a liberal Democratic gun control measure appears to have found a receptive audience across the aisle.

    Senator Cornyn said on Wednesday: “It strikes me as odd that it’s illegal to convert a semi-automatic weapon to an automatic weapon, but apparently these bump-stocks are not illegal under the current law.

    “I own a lot of guns. As a hunter and sportsman, I think that’s our right as Americans.

    “But I don’t understand the use of this bump-stock.”

    He said his colleagues should hold hearings to discuss the legality of the devices.



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  • LaurieB #10
    Oct 5, 2017 at 11:14 am

    Another one bites the dust. Boo-hoo.

    It’s still probably only the tip of the iceberg. Trump has appointed so many despicable people and created a swamp so deep because all he cares about is people who pay obeisance to his ego that this situation will continue ad infinitum. It now seems that Tom Price blowing $1m on private flights, Mnuchin trying to get his honeymoon travel paid for, that flight which appears to have been solely to see the eclipse better are just small change. Betsy DeVil has blown over $5m of taxpayer’s money already in just a few months on personal security from the US Marshall’s dept because apparently normal security arrangements for the relatively low key Ed Sec job were not enough for her. She must think she’s really hated but then that might be the only thing she’s ever going to be right about in a job she has zero aptitude or knowledge for.

    It’s not just that Trump is utterly incompetent himself but he destroys any chance of competence ever appearing anywhere near him. His toxic miasma coats anyone who comes near, no one rational would want to work for him anyway, he undercuts and contradicts those few with even a hint of ability.

    Tillerson who for a while seemed as though he might actually be a semi-competent grown up has more or less destroyed the State Dept now. It’s longer serving staff are leaving in droves so the knowledge base there has about disappeared.

    The only good thing is we can now all see how deplorable Republicans really are with the health care debacle and the complete lack of concern for anyone other than the mega rich. 18 months ago I said that America was inhabited by two entirely separate species – the Humans and the Republicans. I got a little flak at the time. Anyone still disagree with me now?



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  • It seems that the availability of weapons in the US has reached such ridiculous levels that even the NRA wants some token action!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41519815

    The National Rifle Association has called for “additional regulations” on bump-stocks, a rapid fire device used by the Las Vegas massacre gunman.

    The group said: “Devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations.”

    Republicans have said they would consider banning the tool, despite years of resisting any gun control.

    Lawmakers plan to hold hearings and consider a bill to outlaw the device.

    The NRA called on Thursday for regulators to “immediately review whether these devices comply with federal law”.

    President Donald Trump later told reporters his administration would be looking into whether to ban them “in the next short period of time”.



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  • @#7 – A Saudi-led multinational coalition fighting in Yemen has been included on a draft United Nations list of parties that kill and maim children in war.

    However! Neither the US nor Russia seem to care! They seem to think it is the Saudi regime and its oil, which need protecting! – and of course when it comes to the arms industry and oil money, “business is business”!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41532889

    The US government has approved the sale to Saudi Arabia of its advanced Terminal High-Altitude Area Defense (Thaad) missile defence system.

    The State Department said the $15bn (£11.5bn) deal furthered US national security and foreign policy interests.

    It would boost Saudi and Gulf security against Iranian and other regional threats, the state department added.

    The announcement comes a day after Saudi Arabia agreed to buy air defence systems from Russia.

    The deal would not alter the military balance in the region, the Pentagon’s Defense Security Co-operation Agency said.

    Thaad systems are being deployed in South Korea to protect against a possible missile attack from North Korea.

    But many South Koreans have objected, fearing it would become a target and endanger the lives of those who live near its launch sites.

    China also voiced opposition to the system, saying it would affect the regional security balance.

    By Sebastian Usher, BBC Arab Affairs analyst

    This latest multi-billion-dollar deal will help satisfy the Trump administration’s desire to be seen to be protecting and increasing jobs at home.

    Donald Trump has also made it abundantly clear that he is completely in tune with the Saudi view of Iran as the biggest threat in the region – which is a key rationale behind this new Saudi spending spree.

    He may be less pleased, though about the arms deal the Saudis agreed with Russia during King Salman’s visit to Moscow this week.

    It showed perhaps how Riyadh is hedging its bets, as US influence has been diminishing in the Middle East.



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  • It would appear that “disrespect for Trump”, is quite extensive and has permeated well into the Republican leadership, – as Trump continues to throw idiotic insults and assertions around on Twitter, and incompetently meddles in anything and everything which takes his fancy!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41546140

    US President Donald Trump has had an ill-tempered exchange with a leading Republican senator, aggravating already poor relations between the two men.

    Foreign Relations Committee head Bob Corker was a “negative voice” and “largely responsible for the horrendous Iran Deal”, Mr Trump tweeted.

    Mr Corker hit back that the White House had become an “adult day care centre”.

    He was considered for the job of secretary of state by Mr Trump last year but they have since clashed.

    Analysts suggest Mr Trump’s tirade on Sunday morning may have been prompted by Mr Corker’s message of support last week for Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, which was also seen as a jab at the president.

    He was quoted by media as saying that Mr Tillerson was “in an incredibly frustrating place” where he “ends up not being supported in the way that I hope a secretary of state would be supported”.

    On Wednesday Mr Tillerson denied rumours that he was about to resign.

    Last month Mr Corker announced that he would not seek re-election at next year’s mid-term elections.
    He has been an ardent supporter of the 2015 agreement to curb Iran’s development of nuclear weapons.

    Mr Trump has sharply criticised the deal on many occasions and is expected to de-certify it next week.

    The negotiations have clearly exceeded Trump’s half-page / 10 minute, concentration span!

    “He also wanted to be Secretary of State, I said ‘NO THANKS.’
    He is also largely responsible for the horrendous Iran Deal!

    “Hence, I would fully expect Corker to be a negative voice and stand in the way of our great agenda. Didn’t have the guts to run!”

    Mr Corker responded: “It’s a shame the White House has become an adult day care center.

    “Someone obviously missed their shift this morning.”

    It looks like Senator Corker has summed up the situation pretty well!

    Yet another senior Republican is now finding Trump’s childish, loud-mouthed, simplistic, know-it-all mentality, a severe embarrassment to anyone trying to conduct serious or sensitive negotiations!



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  • Meanwhile Bobblehead Pence has walked out of an NFL game after some players kneeled for the anthem. He said little Donny and himself won’t put up with anyone disrespecting our soldiers, our flag or our anthem. Well the flag is just a bit of cloth, the protest is nothing to do with soldiers and maybe if there wasn’t a narcissistic 5 year old in the oval office trying hard to destroy the country and the planet they might not need to kneel anymore.



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  • Historian George L. Mosse, who died in January 1999, wrote extensively on fascism during his long and distinguished career. The fascist Revolution is one of the most interesting and informative studies of fascism that is available to us. I would recommend it. The parallels are frightening. Isn’t it now clear to all why Steve Bannon and Trump are not Republicans?

    “Everything for the state, nothing outside the state, nothing above the state.” – Benito Mussolini

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Mosse

    From a review Mosse’s The fascist Revolution – Brian C. Anderson, May 2000

    . . . Nationalism and the love of violence and war ”these are familiar themes in the copious literature on fascism’s attributes. Where Mosse is most interesting is on Fascist irrationalism and on fascism and revolution. In a fascinating chapter, originally published nearly four decades ago, Mosse explores the roots of National Socialism in nineteenth“century mysticism. Recreating the feverish world of such forgotten late“nineteenth century writers as Julias Langbehn, Alfred Schuler, and Paul de Lagarde, Mosse paints a disquieting portrait . . .

    . . . These irrationalists despised the cosmopolitan ”and in their view largely Jewish” bourgeois universe of calculation, contract, and money. Instead, they surrendered themselves to “a belief in nature’s cosmic life force, a dark force whose mysteries could be understood, not through science but through the occult.” In some of the most vivid pages in The Fascist Revolution, Mosse describes Schuler trying to cure Friedrich Nietzsche of his madness with an ancient Roman spring rite, bizarre seances, theosophical preachments, and much other anti “Enlightenment nonsense” seemingly harmless until one realizes the culture of irrational barbarism it did its part in conjuring. But the Nazis weren’t alone in their irrationalism; Mussolini, too, drank from its well . . .

    . . . Like all revolutionary movements, fascism in power had to restore order and prop up its own authority, diminishing revolutionary ardor; but fascism in its main thrust sought to remake the human world, to forge a new future ”whether based on futurist ideas, as with Mussolini, or on an imagined pagan past, as with Hitler” that would break decisively with the corrupt and weak present. Though rightists and conservatives, sharing their rejection of the modern world, often supported Fascist movements, fascism was anything but conservative . . .

    . . . These four marks of the Fascist spirit ”nationalism and racism, a love of violence and war, irrationalism, and revolutionary presumption” though not exhaustive, help us to understand its appeal during the first half of the twentieth century, particularly where democratic institutions were feckless and resentments bred by World War I festered . . .

    Perhaps fascism represents a permanent temptation of modern politics, the seduction to leave behind the ambiguities and trade“offs of prosaic liberal democracy for a true (and truly destructive) “politics of meaning.” If so, we need to be perpetually on guard against it, and George Mosse’s intelligent reflections are of much more than historical interest.



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  • Note: sorry about the sloppy use of quotation marks. (E.g. trade“offs.) Not my fault. Bad editing from whoever it was who originally published the above review.

    The fascist Revolution is a great book. Check it out, if you can. Very relevant, unfortunately. The bizarre rituals associated with national socialism (one brand of fascism) are not observable in the US yet, but the similarities are still there. Different time and place. I think Trump may resemble Mussolini more, but he resembles all fascists in a number of ways. (Fascism is, among other things, a “political liturgy”.) Fascism is the worst thing that can befall a nation.



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  • Arkrid Sandwich #18
    Oct 8, 2017 at 7:55 pm

    Meanwhile Bobblehead Pence has walked out of an NFL game after some players kneeled for the anthem.
    He said little Donny and himself won’t put up with anyone disrespecting our soldiers, our flag or our anthem.
    Well the flag is just a bit of cloth, the protest is nothing to do with soldiers

    This is of course simply a propagandist cynical deflection from the protesting about real issues, of delusional posers like Pence, denying and ignoring, the disrespect of citizens rights by racist police, and the disrespect for the constitution and the law, by right wing reactionary politicians! – Classic psychological projection!

    and maybe if there wasn’t a narcissistic 5 year old in the oval office trying hard to destroy the country and the planet they might not need to kneel anymore.

    Who cares if poser Pence misses a football match?
    More to the point – who SHOULD care if poser Pence has a closed mind in denial of reality, which fails to grasp real issues of justice and accountable, equitable, law enforcement!
    Perhaps in Pence’s god-befuddled and ideology-befuddled mind, he is unable to distinguish between “soldiers” and “police” – but in fascist states, the distinction is blurred anyway!

    @#17 – Mr Corker responded: “It’s a shame the White House has become an adult day care center.

    Even senior Republican figures are breaking cover, and publicly stating the blatantly obvious realistic situation!



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  • http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41556537

    US President Donald Trump could put the US “on the path to World War Three”, the Republican chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee has warned.

    Senator Bob Corker said Mr Trump was treating the presidency like “a reality show”.

    The retiring Tennessee lawmaker also said White House staff struggle to “contain” Mr Trump.

    Mr Corker’s comments are a remarkable attack on a sitting president from a member of his own party.

    Mr Corker was considered for the job of secretary of state by Mr Trump last year but they have since fallen out.

    The senator told the New York Times in a telephone interview on Sunday he was concerned about the president’s conduct.

    “I don’t think he appreciates that when the president of the United States speaks and says the things that he does, the impact that it has around the world, especially in the region that he’s addressing,” he said.

    Any competent person, should be able to recognise that Trump expresses egotistical, ignorant, superficial, personal opinions, without any concept of a leader’s responsibilities as spokesperson, to represent the considered, informed, view of the organisation they represent!

    Mr Corker suggested the president – who has repeatedly baited nuclear-armed North Korea – could put the US on course for “World War Three”.

    “I don’t know why the president tweets out things that are not true,” he added.

    “You know he does it, everyone knows he does it, but he does.”

    “I know for a fact that every single day at the White House, it’s a situation of trying to contain him,” Mr Corker told the newspaper.

    Mr Trump is this week expected to de-certify the Obama administration’s 2015 agreement to curb Iran’s development of nuclear weapons, a deal he has repeatedly condemned.

    Last month Mr Corker – who has said the Iran deal should not be torn up – announced he would not seek re-election at next year’s mid-term elections.

    Mr Corker and Mr Trump previously clashed in August when the senator criticised the president’s response to clashes that month between white supremacists and anti-fascist demonstrators in Charlottesville, Virginia.

    Mr Trump’s attack followed Mr Corker’s expression of support last week for Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, who is widely seen as having been sidelined by the president.

    Mr Corker said America’s top diplomat was “in an incredibly frustrating place”, where he “ends up not being supported in the way that I hope a secretary of state would be supported”.

    On Wednesday Mr Tillerson denied rumours that he was about to resign, amid reports he had referred to the president as a moron.

    Well spotted Rex! 🙂



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  • Adult day care. No. Not funny. And not accurate. (Although I am glad a Republican said it: Bob Corker.) The time for ridicule and stupid jokes about Donny is over. The country is in great peril. The religious right is happier than ever now. SNL is a disgrace and Baldwin’s impersonation sucks and all or most of the political humor of the late night talk show hosts is just feeding into the sense of normalcy. (Making fun of Gerald Ford is one thing, but you don’t make fun of Trump. He is a very sick and dangerous man. Get it? Funny no. Dangerous yes.) Bill Maher should retire; he has enough money. And we should all prepare ourselves for WWIII. It might happen and it might not. But it could. We’ve never been closer.

    And Bannon is a fascist. A fascist. A fascist. This is nothing to joke about. He’s to the right of McConnell, and is the most dangerous political operative in the country.

    Bannon today: ‘We Are Declaring War’ on GOP Establishment Not Backing Trump Agenda

    Washington (CNN) Former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon is calling for Sen. Bob Corker to resign after a public feud between

    From my comment 19:

    “Though rightists and conservatives, sharing their rejection of the modern world, often supported Fascist movements, fascism was anything but conservative.”

    PS. I f you are going to “make fun” than make sure it’s good satire that’ll shake people up. If you’re not as good as Aristophanes find something else to do.



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  • I guess humor still has its place. I went too far, and Maher can stay. But I think my point is still a good one. It’s not either-or, but joking can be a disease, is a national disease and one of the diseases of the left; we are, in most cases, effectively blocking out reality when we joke. We’ll all be smiling and cracking jokes till the bitter end.

    I can picture a light night talk show guy saying, with hands in pockets:

    On a lighter note, it’s been reported that a nuclear missile has just been launched. (Applause) That’s right. Those North Koreans are all going to have a healthy green glow tomorrow. (Laughter) Seriously, this may be the end of the world. (Slight pause.) And only the Swiss will be going, ‘Vhat’s that noise?’ (Laughter)

    (…than make sure… Then! Not Than.)



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  • Late night, not light night.

    Note: Sorry. I don’t like taking up space on these threads. I would have corrected that but minimal edits are now almost impossible on the site. I compose most comments now on email and then paste, but sometimes I won’t see the error until it’s posted; so I try to edit and the site shuts down for about ten minutes. Weird. Nothing wrong with my computer.



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  • Dan #24
    Oct 9, 2017 at 10:57 pm

    Bannon today:
    ‘We Are Declaring War’ on GOP Establishment Not Backing Trump Agenda

    Washington (CNN) Former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon
    is calling for Sen. Bob Corker to resign after a public feud between …

    On the other hand: –
    The Republicans only have a majority of two in the senate, and if the Trumpies attack and alienate a handful of the more reasonable Republican senators like Corker, (especially committee chairmen), and threaten to purge them, a small group of dissident Republicans can block ALL of Trump’s agendas up till the mid-term elections! – (as has already happened on some issues!)
    At mid-term the Republicans could lose their overall majority, as the realities kick in and expose Trump’s fantasy promises and childish lunacy!

    Like some foreign governments, there are people who are actively involved and informed in operating policies, and are unimpressed with tantrums and insults from the White House “Adult Daycare Centre”!



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  • Arkrid Sandwich #22
    Oct 9, 2017 at 5:42 am

    I love the “adult day care centre” thing. Wish I’d thought of that. It really nails it.

    The “adult day care centre”, would perhaps be more accurately (but less diplomatically) described, if it was referred to as the “Geriatric psychological counselling service day care centre”!
    Unfortunately – to use the vernacular:- The lunatics have taken over the asylum, and think they are counselling everyone else!



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  • I see Trump has challenged Tillerson to an IQ test. That should be interesting. I doubt if Trump even knows what IQ stands for and as it involves reading for more than 5 minutes I suspect he wouldn’t manage to finish one.

    Information is coming out from the adult day care centre about how staffers and aides try to stop Trump doing anything impetuous. They distract him with things with lots of pictures and diagrams in, suggest revisiting the issue tomorrow or the next day reckoning he’ll have forgotten about it by then, give him more options which confuses him or let him have something shiny to play with. Basically how most parents try and control their five year olds.



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  • How did Comet Shoemaker–Levy 9 get its mission screwed up so thunderously in 1994? Poking a few temporary pimples on Jupiter’s face, YAWN. It would have had some seriously good corrective work to do on the third stone from the sun, putting an end to a deadly infection there. Meh. Those bits of gunk flying through our solar system are so pathecically newtonian, with perhaps a cursory nod towards that guy Albert originally from Ulm in Germany, but just not the slightest regard for very necessary corrective sanitary measures.



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  • I am going to reiterate what I said in comment 24.

    Child daycare/geriatric care ≠ funny, imo. Sorry. Frightening is what Trump(ism) is. He doesn’t care if he lies!

    Trump just said that Russia did not interfere in the election. Not only does he deny collusion, he denies interference!

    And Bannon succeeded in Alabama and got Moore elected. Bannon is, I am quite sure, a fascist revolutionary. Economic Nationalism is a euphemism. With all the tools at his disposal and this being the age of the internet, he, with the help of many others, and with the help of vast numbers of angry, stupid, unenlightened, malleable, sick, “empty” (Phil Rimmer) Americans, is well set up to succeed in creating a fascist revolution. And Sanders’ fantasy-revolution will be left in the dust…

    Yes, I am pessimistic. But I am not altogether pessimistic. I still have hope.



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  • Dan #33
    Oct 11, 2017 at 3:40 am

    Child daycare/geriatric care ≠ funny, imo. Sorry. Frightening is what Trump(ism) is. He doesn’t care if he lies!

    I think the serious point about the “Adult [psychiatric] Daycare Center”, is that the inmates need to be contained there, until they can be transferred to other secure accommodation!

    Trump just said that Russia did not interfere in the election.
    Not only does he deny collusion, he denies interference!

    As the evidence (#28 link) comes out, his lies and rantings become more obvious and embarrassing, even to Republican leaders and Republican supporters!

    While the Republicans were cheering when Trump attacked and disrupted Obama’s Democrats’ policies, it is becoming evident that he amuses himself and boosts his ego, with attacks and disruption of any coherent policy which any competent person (Comey) is trying to operate – including those of his own appointees (Tillerson) and Republican Congressional Chairmen!



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  • Alan, others–

    This truly odious human being and devout Christian just lies and lies and lies for him. I have never seen anything like this in my lifetime. An unprecedented level of degradation has been struck. And let’s not kid ourselves. People like Corker, who are speaking out now against Trump, are not reasonable, fair-minded people; remember, they all nominated Pruitt and the rest of the profits-over-people loving scum. (Let’s not forget Plato’s Allegory of the Metals. Better than Trump is not very good – although it is better than Trump.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGfHXrT7wU0



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  • GrumpyKraut #32
    Oct 10, 2017 at 7:55 pm

    How did Comet Shoemaker–Levy 9 get its mission screwed up so thunderously in 1994?
    Poking a few temporary pimples on Jupiter’s face, YAWN.
    It would have had some seriously good corrective work to do on the third stone from the sun,
    putting an end to a deadly infection there.

    You would think that if an omnipotent god was arranging “end-times”, he would be able to get a shot! on target! 🙂

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-41583704

    An asteroid the size of a house is set to pass close to the Earth on Friday.

    The space rock will hurtle past our planet at a distance of about 42,000km (26,000 miles), bringing it within the Moon’s orbit and just above the altitude of communication satellites.

    Nasa scientists say there is no risk of an impact, but the flyby does provide them with the opportunity to test their asteroid-warning systems.



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  • Trump threatens to strip NBC of ‘license,’ declares news coverage is ‘frankly disgusting’

    The president, who made the comments during an Oval Office meeting with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, was reacting to an NBC News report that he pushed senior aides for a major expansion of the U.S. nuclear arsenal.



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  • Dan #40
    Oct 11, 2017 at 5:47 pm

    Trump threatens to strip NBC of ‘license,’ declares news coverage is ‘frankly disgusting’

    It seems that some of these media outlets, just won’t stick to publishing “alternative facts” like those Trump acclaimed “quality role models”, DimBart and InfoWhores do! 🙂

    US President Donald Trump has raised the prospect of challenging media licences for NBC News and other news networks after unfavourable reports.



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  • We’ll have State TV. Just like in all the other despotically ruled states around the world. Trump would love to see posters of himself all over the place. We elected a tyrant. A liar, a tyrant, and an out-of-control cretin. How long can this last? how far can he go? and where will it end?



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  • Dan #42
    Oct 11, 2017 at 11:10 pm

    We’ll have State TV. Just like in all the other despotically ruled states around the world.

    The BBC is “State TV” but its governors and editorial policies, are legally separated from direct political interference.
    Basically, apart from messing with its budget, and threatening to privatise it, our UK criticised politicians have been kept at bay -so far – despite persistent whinges of “bias” from all parties of all shades, at various times! We do however, see some “false balance” with publicity for worthless minority views!



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  • @Alan #37

    Nasa scientists say there is no risk of an impact, but the flyby does
    provide them with the opportunity to test their asteroid-warning
    systems.

    I haven’t been contributing much to the comments, but I’ve been reading along regularly. And that post is one of the main reasons: our nation is pretty whacked right now, but those morsels of sanity are so refreshing for me. Many thanks!



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  • electoralvote dot com has a good piece today about how far not just the Trump administration but Trump himself is unravelling now. His rages and tantrums are close to being out of control and reports are that Kelly and Mattis have apparently discussed the possibility of physically “taking him out” if he looks close to pressing the nuclear button or anything similar with North Korea. I have long suspected, and said in here, that I believe Kelly is only there out of a sense of patriotism and maybe to sacrifice himself as above if the need arises.

    Trump is now so far behind on staffing his administration because no one will work for him he’s trying to play it as a virtue. The state departments are so big they don’t need more people, even the bosses apparently.

    People are starving now in Puerto Rico because food supply is frozen in red tape but Trump is only tweeting about not getting high enough ratings for all he’s doing for them.

    Once again the supposed champions of Christian values seem to have the fewest of them. Roy Moore who just won the Alabama senatorial primary said his work for the christian values charity he founded was pro bono but he took over 1 million dollars out of it over 6 years which he also neglected to declare on his tax returns. He might bear Al Capone in mind now.

    I still find it astonishing that Trump’s approval rating is as high as 37% but that only shows that the electorate is as disfunctional as the government.



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  • Alan,

    By state media I wasn’t talking about the UK or the BBC. I don’t know what else to call it. What does one call this? What is the correct term? I am talking about this:

    Within countries that have high levels of government interference in the media, it may use the state press for propaganda purposes: to promote the regime in a favourable light, vilify opposition to the government by launching smear campaigns giving skewed coverage to opposition views, or act as a mouthpiece to advocate a regime’s ideology.

    Generally, state ownership of the media is found in poor, autocratic non-democratic countries with highly interventionist governments that have some interest in controlling the flow of information.

    Arkrid,

    Trump still has his ministry of propaganda, his surrogates and flunkies, and he isn’t finished yet. And he still, as you said, has a lot of support. And Russia still is probably infiltrating our media outlets. I saw a YouTube video of Ms Sanders lying and all the comments were pro Trump. Go to another YouTube video of a press briefing and the comments are mixed. How could that be? Confusing.

    Kelly? Who knows what’s in his head. If Trump liked him enough to hire him how good can he be? But he may be of some use now, assuming he too isn’t a madman.



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  • With the help of the NRA, America’s premier terrorist organization, a white man kills over 50 and wounds over 500 in Las Vegas shooting.

    @OP – Robertson, host of the long-running 700 Club television show,
    told his audience that
    the deadliest mass shooting in American history
    was caused by people disrespecting President Trump

    .. and as we know, Robertson’s grasp of the reality of the association of guns with shootings, is as poor as Trump’s!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41695667

    Donald J. Trump✔@realDonaldTrump
    Just out report: "United Kingdom crime rises 13% annually amid
    spread of Radical Islamic terror."
    Not good, we must keep America safe!

    The statistics – which made no reference to “radical Islamic terror” – showed that 35 out of the 664 homicides in England and Wales were caused by terror attacks in London and Manchester.

    Trump has spotted the “huge percentage” increase in terror attacks in England this year! 🙂

    The number of cases of murder and attempted murder linked to Islamist-related extremism, has indeed gone up substantially.

    Of the 664 homicides recorded in the year ending June 2017,
    34 resulted from the Westminster Bridge, Manchester Arena and London Bridge attacks
    there were no such deaths last year.

    So the attacks in England have gone up from ZERO to 34! 🙂 HUGE INCREASE on last year! Now let’s see – compared to gun crime and mass shootings in the USA! How does that compare 🙂

    Peter Thal Larsen✔@peter_tl
    Reminder: More people died in the Las Vegas shooting than in UK
    terror attacks this decade. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrum

    Conservative backbencher Nicholas Soames, grandson of Sir Winston Churchill,
    called the US president a “daft twerp” who needed to “fix gun control”.

    Of course part of the 13% increase in recorded crime in parts of the UK, is the number of people arrested and convicted of carrying weapons – such as guns and knives, but Trump – “sharp as a sausage roll” as usual, would not spot something like that!!

    Ed Miliband✔@Ed_Miliband
    Spreading lies about your own country: sad.
    Spreading lies about others: sadder.
    What an absolute moron.




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  • @OP – Robertson, host of the long-running 700 Club television show,

    I see that despite a forced resignation for misconduct, another right-wing nutty apologist, is back at Faux News!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41712527

    Fox renewed Bill O’Reilly deal despite harassment suit

    The $32m (£24m) settlement was paid to former Fox legal analyst Lis Wiehl, according to the New York Times.

    In a statement, 21st Century Fox admitted it knew of the settlement when it signed a new contract but not the financial terms.

    The settlement with Wiehl – which was “extraordinarily large” for such cases, according to the Times – is one of six involving O’Reilly that are in the public domain, totalling $45m.

    The company signed a $25 million-per-year deal with the commentator, but added corporate protections against future allegations of harassment against him.



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  • It’s amazing how deep the denials can go in the egotistical faith-thinking delusional, – even after substantial compensation claims have been paid! – Along with their apparent convenient inability to understand their responsibility for their own actions!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41730020

    Former Fox News host Bill O’Reilly has hit back at presenter Megyn Kelly’s “incomprehensible” comments involving reports of sexual harassment at the news channel, US media report.

    Ms Kelly said Mr O’Reilly’s suggestion that nobody had complained about his behaviour at Fox was “false”. “I know because I complained,” she said.

    Mr O’Reilly retorted: “I don’t know why [Kelly] is doing what she’s doing. I’ve helped her dramatically in her career.”

    . . . and that apparently excuses inexcusable behaviour in his mind! – and puts a cover-up gang loyalty requirement on potential whistle-blowers! –
    Talk about the addled “morality” of “faith”!

    Mr O’Reilly said that he was not going to “run and hide” from allegations of sexual harassment at the company, but added that he wanted the story to “go away because it’s brutalising my family.”

    Poor diddums is being exposed and publicly held to account and he does not like it!
    Tough! – Reap what “brutalising” you sow!

    On Monday, Ms Kelly used her NBC Today show to criticise Mr O’Reilly and Fox News over reports in the New York Times of a $32m (£24m) settlement paid to former Fox legal analyst Lis Wiehl to settle a sexual harassment case.

    “That is not a nuisance value settlement, that is a jaw-dropping figure,” Ms Kelly said.

    “OJ Simpson was ordered to pay the Goldman and Brown families $33.5m for the murders of Ron and Nicole,” she added, “what on Earth would justify that amount? What awfulness went on?”

    Ms Kelly, who left Fox to join NBC earlier this year, said she had sent an email to several Fox News executives in November 2016 in relation to Mr O’Reilly’s alleged behaviour.

    Her email, she said, suggested that perhaps Mr O’Reilly “didn’t realise the kind of message his criticism sent to young women” when he talked about the issue of speaking out about sexual harassment.

    “Perhaps he didn’t realise that his exact attitude of shaming women into shutting the hell up about harassment on grounds that it will disgrace the company is in part how Fox News got into the decade-long [Roger] Ailes mess to begin with,” she said.



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  • @OP – Robertson, host of the long-running 700 Club television show, told his audience that the deadliest mass shooting in American history was caused by people disrespecting President Trump, the National Anthem, and God.

    Yep! Those faith blinkers do blank out issues like lax regulation of the sale of military type guns and ammunition!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42928344

    A man who sold ammunition to Las Vegas gunman Stephen Paddock has been charged with conspiracy to manufacture and sell armour-piercing bullets without a licence.

    Police said they found Douglas Haig’s fingerprints on unused ammunition at the hotel room from where Paddock shot dead 58 people last October.

    Mr Haig earlier told a news conference he had nothing to do with the attack.

    He said he had met Paddock in September and sold him 720 rounds of ammunition.

    Mr Haig, 55, of Mesa, Arizona, is the first person to be charged in connection with the mass shooting – the deadliest in modern US history.

    Paddock opened fire on hundreds of people attending a music concert from a 32nd floor window of the Mandalay Bay hotel.

    When officers stormed the room they found Paddock dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. He had smuggled 24 weapons and thousands of rounds of ammunition into the hotel concealed in 10 suitcases.

    According to the charge sheet, investigators also found a cardboard box with Mr Haig’s name and address on it that had contained some of the ammunition.

    Apparently Haig shares Robertson’s inability to make the mental connections between guns, bullets and massacres! . .. . and of course the de-regulators and the NRA, run around trying to blame anyone except themselves!



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