Trump confirmed as keynote speaker for anti-LGBT conference

By Chris Johnson

President Trump has been confirmed as the keynote speaker at the upcoming Values Voters Summit in D.C. hosted by the anti-LGBT Family Research Council, marking the first-time ever a sitting U.S. president has spoken at the annual event.

Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, announced late Tuesday in a statement Trump would speak on Friday at the conference, which is taking place over the weekend at the Omni Shoreham Hotel.

“Values voters have waited eight years for a leader who puts America’s mission first and respects the values that made America into a great nation,” Perkins said. “Values voters are coming to our nation’s capital thankful to hear from a president who is fulfilling the promises that he campaigned on. Since the early days of the campaign, President Trump allied himself with values voters, promising to put an end to the 8 years of relentless assault on the First Amendment.”

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  1. @OP – Values Voters Summit in D.C. hosted by the anti-LGBT Family Research Council, marking the first-time ever a sitting U.S. president has spoken at the annual event.

    It’s another audience which is uneducated, anti-science, ignorant, and bigoted, enough to be enthusiastic applauding T-rump supporters!

    There is the standard quackery-style, ironical reference, to asserted “values”, in their organisation’s title!

    Still, no doubt Trump values votes from those who are demonstrably unfit to responsibly exercise votes!

  2. Will someone please assure me that the LGBT community is in a rage over this?! I have no access to that community but I’m really hoping they come out to the polls in ferocious force next year to dole out a stunning punishment to the Republican party.

    From the article above:

    It’s not the first time Trump has spoken at the Values Voter Summit. According to the Family Research Council, Trump has delivered remarks at the event three times, including last year when he was the Republican presidential nominee.

    Words can’t even express the complete and utter hypocrisy of Trump standing up to speak for values. I don’t believe he values anything except for himself, his kids, and the almighty dollar bill. This is the grab them by the pussy harasser in chief who is standing in front of the world accusing gays of wrecking this place.

    Trumps real “values” on display in D.C. ha!

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/the-trump-access-hollywood-tape-is-playing-on-repeat-for-12-hours-on-the-mall/2017/10/06/c19a4d52-aaa2-11e7-92d1-58c702d2d975_story.html?utm_term=.9ad0620333f1

  3. rogeroney #2
    Oct 12, 2017 at 1:34 pm

    @#2 link – Welcoming Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to Washington later in the day, the US president denied the NBC story.

    “It is frankly disgusting the way the press is able to write whatever they want to write, and people should look into it,” he said at the White House.

    It is frankly disgusting the way the president and crew, are able to write whatever they want to write, and people [offering psychiatric treatment to habitual liars] should look into it,”

    The symptoms of psychological projection?? blatantly demonstrated!!

  4. Laurie #3

    What do you expect? These are moral monsters, Laurie. Bannon and other right-wing zealots will be there too. This is a crisis, and we all should be aware of that by now. Do we have built-in forgetters? Are you really surprised? This is the enemy we’re facing and they are going to do what they do, like attend sick events like this. They are not here to make any friends; they hate us, hate progressives, and they want to stay in power and it won’t be by uniting us; Trump et al. has never wanted to unite the country has never indicated that that is what he wants. What he does want is total control.

    It’s not just gays and lesbians; it’s all of us: dissenters, progressives, intellectuals, journalists, women for sure! (half the world), the poor, the working class, the middle class, scientists, secular humanists, the disenfranchised, Muslims, brown people, black people, atheists, Jews (I guess, although they support Israel and Kushner’s a Jew), artists, writers, the most vulnerable. – We all as right-minded democrats and independents, people of truth, fairness, and Reason, should “be in rage”, up in arms.

    The less unreasonable Republicans and conservatives who care about preserving our basic freedoms and our democracy and our decency and integrity as a nation should start getting worried too.

    The evidence is in: we are facing a radical insurgency. Now what’s to be done? Do we let him implode? What if he doesn’t? Where’s Sanders’ revolution or counter revolution? Where is the citizenry, where is activism, protesting, lobbying, the demonstrations? Where is the civic action? I just took a walk. Everyone seems like nothing is going on, and I probably look that way. Who wants to be bothered?

    Trump signs order that will have damaging effect on Obamacare – Real time news from AL.Com

    Trump threatens to abandon Puerto Rico recovery effort – Washington Post

  5. LaurieB #3
    Oct 12, 2017 at 2:53 pm

    Trumps real “values” on display in D.C. ha!

    Of course a president who had any competence or integrity, would be inviting specialist doctors to educate HIM on the subject of sexual development, but as with climate science, and just about every other specialist area of expertise, egotistical, know-it-all, Trump, pontificates to cheering ignorant audiences, who are selected for their ignorance and bigotry – feeding back their own bigoted ignorance to them, in exchange for flattery, admiration, – and recognition of him, as “one of their own in-group tribe”!!

  6. Where’s Sanders?

    Well he’s slated to be the opening speaker of the Women’s Convention in Washington.

    Some are complaining.

    “Sorry. I’m not attending a women’s convention where the opening night speaker isn’t a woman,” one Twitter user wrote, sharing a photo collage of Sens. Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris and Amy Klobuchar. “Perhaps consider these choices next time.”

    Right now Trump is the biggest problem women have, Sanders, if they actually got behind him, the fix.

    Fncking ideologues. Isn’t it a mark of the exceptional nature of the situation that a man was chosen by the all female organisers? Isn’t it a mark of THE issue to discuss?

  7. I think its time for the rest of the world to stop doing business with the US until things improve. Cancel those holidays, especially those on the LGBTW hit list. Selective sanctions against those committing human rights abuses are common. This hurts our friends too, but this is a fever that needs to be starved.

  8. Phil, Laurie, others

    I was just watching the show ‘Morning Joe’. All they could say was that Trump should stop tweeting. Very outspoken. They love him. Everyone’s tuning in now to see what’s happening. It’s one thing after another. Great for ratings.

    Let Sanders cancel. He could do something more productive than deliver yet another speech. If he’s so gutsy and committed he should forget about being president right now and organize a boycott or something, or a march, or something like that. Before it’s too late. Let them get Kirsten Gillibrand. That’d do it. She’ll put them all to sleep and they’ll be yelling: Bernie! Bernie! Or better yet, Kamala Harris, the showboating drama queen. She probably figures that Sanders is going to be too old to run in 2020 so she too is co-opting his collectivist initiatives – and with a meaningless photo op (a recent town hall meeting). Yes, I am cynical – as hell.

    The politicians have all failed us and we have failed them. I have little faith in any of them or in us at this point. I like Warren and Franken and a few others. Harris might be okay but I have a reasonable skepticism and some concerns:

    Back in January, after Donald Trump had nominated Steven Mnuchin as treasury secretary, I uncovered a leaked document from the California attorney general’s office that showed OneWest Bank repeatedly broke foreclosure laws under Mnuchin’s six-year reign as CEO and then chairman. Prosecutors in the state’s Justice Department wanted to file a civil enforcement action against the company for “widespread misconduct,” but the attorney general at the time, Kamala Harris, overrode the recommendation and declined to prosecute. She never gave a reason. – D. Dayden, New Republic

    Sanders is good. But he can’t do it alone. None of them can. Neither can we.

    Phil, laurie, I really think it might be the end of America as we know it. We’re all in our own worlds with all of our gadgets! As that guy in My Dinner with Andre said, “the 60s was America’s last gasp of air before being extinguished.”

  9. Alan

    Of course a president who had any competence or integrity, would be inviting specialist doctors to educate HIM

    Yes, of course! But for that to happen, it would mean that Trump and co. would have to admit that they don’t know everything! A President elect who surrounds himself with a hoard of short sighted, morally disabled, selfish, absolutely incompetent buddies and big money donors has already demonstrated their own massive dunning kruger affliction for the entire country and the world to see.

    People who can’t take criticism gracefully can certainly never admit that they need help understanding something and ask for help! That’s the President we have right now. Morally debilitated. Refuses to get help.

  10. rogeroney #2
    Oct 12, 2017 at 1:34 pm

    And that, folks, is the part of America
    that is gone through the Looking Glass,
    and into the realm of the Mad Hatter.

    Yep! Trump carries on with his Humpty-Dumptyism interpretations of those “worst agreements”, he is to stupid to understand, and too selfishly irresponsibly reckless, to care about!
    (ObamaCare, Paris Climate, Iran, International Trade agreements etc.)

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Humpty_Dumptyism

    Humpty Dumpty replies “When I use a word it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.”

  11. Dan

    Jews (I guess, although they support Israel and Kushner’s a Jew)

    From their view, Jews are a necessary evil. They are good at certain things and can be convenient to have around. Kushner’s close ties to Israel must be perfectly acceptable to the fundamentalist Christians here – you know, the Jews all need to get back to Israel so that Jesus can reappear and save the born again Christians. Everyone else will fry, including the Jews who helped out. ~eye roll~ Nice. Great. Jesus is love! Deal with it!

    Where is the citizenry, where is activism, protesting, lobbying, the demonstrations? Where is the civic action? I just took a walk. Everyone seems like nothing is going on, and I probably look that way. Who wants to be bothered?

    Dan, you must be aware of the demonstrations we’ve had here. They’ve been massive and remind me of what we had here in the sixties and seventies. The very day after the election, the women’s march was massive against Trump & co. I interpret it as a warning of what won’t be tolerated. I attended the big demonstration here in Boston a while back. It was inspirational.

    Two points about this. I know that Americans are counting down the days to the midterm elections. Until then, demonstrations, speakers, books and liberal pundits need to hammer away at the administration in every public venue they can get their hands on. Also, I do keep it in mind that even though I’d be so pleased to see these posers kicked out of the White House and land unceremoniously on their lard asses in the middle of Pennsylvania Avenue, I am also fearful of a place where this is possible and happens on a whim. Stability is a good thing – to a point. We have the road to change written in the Constitution. If it is easy to toss the bums out then we could descend into a state of revolving door administrations. This scares me.

    The current administration should stand as a wake-up call to Americans. We screwed up big time. Look what happens when we screw up big time! The fundamentalist Christians are ecstatic now! They’re winning. They have an extreme agenda! They intend to control us and that will affect all of us. They are not kind and benign, they are deluded control freaks. Life under libertarians will be grueling and cruel. Like you said in the beginning of all of this bullshit, maybe we need to hit bottom. We’re not at the bottom yet.

    Let Sanders cancel.

    I have no problem with Sanders as opening speaker to that convention. This is a sign of the times that illustrates just how fucked up the women’s rights movement really is. I never thought I’d see the day when I hesitated to say that I’m a feminist! I’ve said before here that the women’s movement has always had fractures on issues and it’s been ok. The leadership has struggled but managed to accomplish so much around the disagreements. Now though, I don’t even feel leadership at all. The third wavers are myopically furious about micro aggressions and forcefully shaming us for anything outside of their narrow little agendas while women everywhere still suffer domestic and reproductive slavery! They bore me to death.

    So with no real unifying female leadership under the banner of Feminism, why not let Sanders have his say at the podium? He has a massive proven following with the progressives and the big voting block of young people.

    Dan, based on Sanders book, Our Revolution, his platform points, if implemented, would result in the MOST massive advance for women’s rights in the century! Think about it…access to extremely cheap or free university education! Universal health care with free, easily attainable birth control and free, easily attainable abortion – just these items would free women to move out of toxic relationships and situations that they were/are stuck in. and if men benefit from these policies then that’s a good thing too.

    Let Bernie explain how the current administration is deleting our rights and how his plan will boost them. Excellent all around.

    So give Bernie the podium. All of the divisive bickering is getting us nowhere fast. His plan is the best thing I’ve seen for a long time.

  12. But for that to happen, it would mean that Trump…

    This illustrates and adds strength to my unprovable argument that we lack a free will, cannot choose what we will (are). In order for Trump to seek the advice from reasonable people and do the right thing, to suddenly start standing up for the rights of the LBGT community or women’s rights and to start taking actions that would lead to the empowerment of the disenfranchised, in order to become more susceptible to that motive than to the impulses that are now acting upon him, he would have to either be forced, or become something other than he is. (People like Dickens’ Scrooge do exist. People have been known to undergo extraordinary transformations; but this is not the rule; the exception proves the rule.)

    And Reason is powerless in the face of such massive egotism and selfishness.

    I offer Trump as evidence that 1. we lack a free will and 2. you cannot make someone understand what they will not understand and 3. if certain people were made to understand they wouldn’t care enough about what they understood to do anything differently.

  13. Hello, Laurie,

    (That sounds formal.)

    I’m fine with Bernie being given the podium. Yeah, I know know about this rapture thing. Ha-ha. – Conservative Jews think that the religious right is their friend, and yet it’s all about everyone getting killed off in the end.

    I am aware of the action that you have observed at times and I am aware of what seems like a paucity of action. – My perception shifts. You see a mass movement of sorts; I see some of that but mostly catalepsy right now. I do remember the incredible women’s march. I’d like to see that again, and again…

    I agree with Sanders’ vision, his plan. I like his ideas. I really do. I just have one rather minor criticism. There is, as yet, no revolution that I can see. Revolutions come from the bottom up, as C.L.R. James said, and as Obama said (with no conviction). I just think his “revolution” is presumptuous rhetoric and is wishful thinking too. That’s okay, though. We can succeed without a dramatic revolution in the traditional or classic sense. I’d settle for incremental progress. Any change right now for the better is good enough for me.

    People should put their petty agendas and lust for control in their shirt pockets right now. Too much at stake. That scumbag with his predominantly male team of white-haired assholes are trying to turn the clock back after so much struggle! I want to see women coming out in droves.

    They’ll keep moving forward here in the US. For some reason I feel somewhat hopeful about that – at the moment. (As far the plight of women in other parts of the world goes I am not as optimistic. But I am not pessimistic either. That’s a different animal.)

    (I am glad that that movie guy got what he deserved at long last.)

  14. Clarification: The plight of oppressed women in other parts of the world vs here = “a different animal.” I didn’t mean pessimism as opposed to optimism. Correction: And Trump and his team ARE…blablabla. I said IS. Agreement. There has to be agreement. Can’t let those errors go uncorrected. Not a single error ever in your comments. How do you do it?
    -Dan (who may have a tiny, eency weency touch of OCD)

  15. Dan

    And Reason is powerless in the face of such massive egotism and selfishness.
    Yes, there are fair number of our fellow humans on this earth that are unreachable. I know. I’ve tried and failed too many times to count. However…with the help of our best public intellectuals who are far above my station in this life, I’ve actually had some success with a few people in my small domain. I have here on my book shelf a couple books by Grayling that I don’t hesitate to drag out and read from when I need a short, assertive argument for an ethical case. I’ve used his pages on capital punishment once with my sister-in-law and by the end of the short chapter by Grayling she actually changed her mind. It works I tell you!

    I acknowledge that there are far too many people who are hopelessly selfish and indoctrinated but I also sense that the great majority are simply downtrodden, exhausted by life’s cruel challenges, completely uneducated, overwhelmed with fear, under the control of pernicious ideologues, and with no way to let down their cognitive defenses long enough to hear ideas like the ones that Sanders speaks of and to actually give those ideas a fair trial in their brains and think, “wow! no shit! It could actually get better for me!” This is the bunch that can swing the situation as we’ve seen them do in the past. What the hell happened to workers’ rights in this country?! I tell you this, when workers’ rights are threatened in Europe they come pouring out into the streets but here they just whimper and go along with the corporate status quo. Sheep. Let the young women lose the birth control and abortion rights that older generations suffered to get for us then maybe we can all work together without bickering over trivial shit. (bitter resentment on full display :-D)

    I’d settle for incremental progress. Any change right now for the better is good enough for me.
    I do believe this is the very definition of “liberal”, is it not? It’s what I want as well although these days my mind does wander slightly to the left of liberal, distracted by some sparkly utilitarian solutions. I’m trying to not notice the sparkly distractions.

    Conservative Jews think that the religious right is their friend, and yet it’s all about everyone getting killed off in the end.
    You know, that is so completely disturbing that I can’t even believe they go along with it. What do they think, oh, ya, we’ll get our zionist dreams to come true then we’ll cross the final massive holocaust bridge when we get to it…wtf?

    (rant over)

  16. LaurieB –

    I’ve used his pages on capital punishment once with my sister-in-law
    and by the end of the short chapter by Grayling she actually changed
    her mind. It works I tell you!

    Hi Laurie (and Dan, et.al) – I’ve been lurking on this thread and I am interested in which book this Grayling tidbit came from. Can you enlighten me? Thanks!

  17. I know you (we) are discussing serious and pressing matters, but you’ll understand when I say I enjoyed reading your comment. “Sparkly utilitarian solutions.” Droll. I like that.

    “Massive holocaust bridge.” Funny. Dark but funny. Smiled, actually.

    Thanks. My depression lifted. The influence of a likeminded person – and you are one among others here – is always salutary.

    “What the hell happened to workers’ rights in this country?!” A very good and important question indeed. The democratic principle of collective bargaining has been eroded considerably and the very survival of organized labor itself is at risk. More so than ever before with Trump in office.

    I think the idea of the inevitably of automation, AI and computers, and the confusion and uncertainty generated by this age, this technological age, could easily take the wind out of the sail of any incipient revival of a strong labor movement – if it is based on outmoded assumptions. Michio Kaku the physicist has some videos on this. I know a few people that are experts on this subject. I know zilch; in fact I am not sure I even know what I’m saying. I will ask them about this, and maybe post a comment about it when I can. Check out Michio Kaku. Someone sent me some videos and articles. I was bored (and that could be a mask for depression), but you might not be.

  18. Steven!

    I’ve been thinking about you! Your last comment was just before that terrible hurricane hit, and you said you were right there. I was a bit worried because that was your last comment.

    Glad you survived and that that was merely your latest comment.

    (As it turns out I don’t need Synthroid, but I’d still be interested to know if you think seaweed is advisable for thyroid health. If you have anything to say about that go to the new Open Discussion thread. I have some comments there on such topics as free will vs. determinism, the nature of morality, and the nature of the self.)

  19. @OP – Values Voters Summit in D.C. hosted by the anti-LGBT Family Research Council,

    If it was not just as sick as Trump pontificating on “values”, we would have to laugh at the pomposity of a bunch of irrational, ignorant, self deluding bigots, labelling themselves a “research council”!

  20. Alan

    labelling themselves a “research council”!

    haha. Thats a good one. More like a “collection of irrelevant anecdotes” but whatever.

  21. Steven

    Stop lurking like that. Dan and I were worried that you were floating in the Okeefenokee!

    So the book is: Life, Sex and Ideas, The Good Life Without God 2003 by A.C. Grayling. page 148. Capital Punishment. It’s only two pages and it changed someone’s mind. Now that’s some good writing!

    I also have here Thinking of Answers, Questions in the Philosophy of Everyday Life 2010 by Grayling.

    Both books are concise treatments of many issues. Excellent reference books. I consult them often because I’m a person brought up in religion and authoritarian environment. I had to teach myself ethics and these two books have been good guidebooks for a humanist framework.

  22. Dan

    I don’t know what happened in my comment number 16 but every quote I posted by you didn’t come through in red as they usually do when I put a > in front of it. Several of my comments have bounced back at me lately and then I get a block that says the website is responding slowly and it timed out. Not sure if this is the website or my computer or what.

  23. LaurieB #23
    Oct 13, 2017 at 5:37 pm

    I get a block that says the website is responding slowly and it timed out. Not sure if this is the website or my computer or what.

    I have had to have two of three tries at posting some comments here today, but other sites come up just fine.

    I think there is still technical work in progress on RDFS.!

  24. Laurie, glad it’s not just me that is having some problems with the site. (Delusion of reference?)

    Re the definition of empathy, etc: no skin off my back either, Phil. I think we’re both right. Actually, it could be that no one knows the precise definition of any of these words – because there isn’t any one definition! I am sure the members of the “psychological community” have differing opinions – just like “the gods themselves”. (Socrates)

    You don’t like Kaku? I wiki’d him. He must be wealthy.

    Now this applies to our discussion of empathy and to this thread (the general depravity of Trump). I killed two birds with one stone. (Awful expression. And they are dying. I get the Audubon Society newsletter.)

    A direct attack on the poor – how could one be so damned heartless?

    The administration announced late last night that Trump will immediately halt cost-sharing reductions. These $7 billion in annual subsidies to health insurers allow around 7 million low-income Americans to afford coverage.

    Earlier in the day, the president signed a far-reaching executive order that makes it easier for individuals and small businesses to buy alternative types of health insurance with lower prices, fewer benefits and weaker government protections.

    Many nonpartisan experts believe that these active measures are likely to undermine the pillars of the 2010 law and hasten the collapse of the marketplaces.

  25. Alan4discussion #11
    Oct 13, 2017 at 8:58 am

    Yep! Trump carries on with his Humpty-Dumptyism interpretations of those “worst agreements”, he is to stupid to understand, and too selfishly irresponsibly reckless, to care about!
    (ObamaCare, Paris Climate, Iran, International Trade agreements etc.)

    Further to my comment @#11: – seemingly having ignored his own advisors, AND telephone advice from leaders in other NATO countries, Trump thinks he can renege on, and tear up, any international agreements (or US laws), he does not like or is too stupid to understand!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-41618165

    Iran nuclear deal: Global powers stand by pact despite Trump threat

    Global powers, including key US allies, have said they will stand by the Iran nuclear deal which US President Donald Trump has threatened to tear apart.

    Mr Trump said on Friday that he would stop signing off on the agreement.

    The UK, France and Germany responded that the pact was “in our shared national security interest”.
    The EU said it was “not up to any single country to terminate” a “working” deal.

    Iran’s President Hassan Rouhani said the US was “more isolated than ever”.

    “Can a president annul a multilateral international treaty on his own?” he asked.

    “Apparently he doesn’t know that this agreement is not a bilateral agreement solely between Iran and the United States.”

    The deal, signed in 2015, is between Iran and six international powers – the UK, the US, Russia, France, Germany, and China.
    It imposed curbs on Iran’s nuclear programme in return for an easing of international sanctions.

    In a combative speech on Friday, Mr Trump called Iran a “fanatical regime” and said it had violated the terms of the deal. He accused Iran of sponsoring terrorism, and proposed new sanctions.

    International observers say Iran has been in full compliance with the agreement.

    China has not spoken since Mr Trump’s speech but previously called on the US to preserve the deal.

    Russia’s foreign ministry said it regretted Mr Trump’s decision but did not expect it to stop the deal being implemented.

    What does Trump’s refusal to sign mean?

    Congress requires the US president to certify every 90 days that Iran is upholding its part of the agreement. Mr Trump had already recertified twice, but refused to sign a third time ahead of a Sunday deadline.

    Congress now has 60 days to decide whether to pull out of the nuclear deal by re-imposing sanctions.

    It looks like another bit of Trump lunacy will follow the Obamacare shambles into Congress!

    However – as far as UN sanctions are concerned, it is likely that other members who are signatories to the Iran deal, will veto any US attempts to reimpose sanctions on the basis of Trump’s delusions of self importance or “convenient inability” to understand legal documents!

    Trump for his part is going to be spending time abusing LBGT citizens, rather than educating himself on international agreements and the basics of diplomacy!

  26. There seems to be increasing scrutiny of the “Adult Psychiatric Daycare Center”!

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct/13/donald-trump-can-be-removed-from-presidency-democrats-winning-elections

    Yes, Trump can be removed from the US presidency. Here’s how

    ‘As Republican senator Bob Corker put it, ‘I know for a fact that every single day at the White House, it’s a situation of trying to contain him.’’

    Bannon warned his undoing could be the 25th amendment to the constitution. To which Trump naturally replied: “What’s that?”

    It’s the section that provides for a situation in which the president is “unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office”. If the vice-president and a majority of the cabinet declare Trump unable to do his job, and Congress agrees, they have the power to remove him.
    Which is why the question of Trump’s mental capacity has suddenly gained traction.

  27. I am totally convinced at this stage that Trump’s(regardless of his obvious flaws which are so numerous he’s off the charts) supporters have something very wrong with their ability to think or be aware of even the most basic morality . This is a western nation , but sadly, stupidity and a lack of education and knowledge of what actually goes on in the world outside whichever particular small town in the US most of these people with this level of ignorance come from . I know they’re everywhere in the states , but as a musician I’ve toured the majority of the US and have been in many of these little isolated areas and cities also where you meet some of the most stupid people you’ve ever met . Now, I have a many smart American friends, and I’m aware that there are stupid people everywhere. But , I still actually can’t put my finger on it with regards Trump. It has to be a combination of poor education, low IQ, bad information(which if you watch US tv you’ll see for yourself how much absolute shite is peddled of to be the truth in sensational fasion) , greed and fear . Dunning Krüger effect thrown in for good measure , but back to my original point. I don’t think it’s a matter of opinion, I firmly believe these people are fucking deranged .

  28. Hi Dan and LaurieB:

    Dan, thanks for the thoughts. I thought I commented right after the hurricane on the same thread but perhaps I’m ‘misremebering’ (speaking of, I can’t remember the politician that made that word semi famous?!) All is well in 007sville. County contractors are just now (as in this weekend and also currently) picking up the debris everyone has placed on their sidewalks. Given the fact that we got bad, but by no means the worst of this thing I can only imagine how long it takes other places to clean up. I will comment about your thyroid strategy on the open thread.

    LaurieB, thanks for the tip! I will order today.

  29. Steve–

    Yes, you did comment after Irma hit – one month ago. I missed that one.

    Trump is telling everyone now that it’s not going to be politically incorrect to say Merry Christmas. And then the crowd applauds. Cattle! Asses! Trump’s a little dictator, a bigot, a sexist, a reactionary prick. He likes the Religious Right and they like him. The Religious right! They are the worst! Always have been. They are insane and very dangerous. Fox News and the Religious Right. – Next to white supremacists (which many of them are) we’re talking about the sickest elements in American life. Never have these extremists, these sickos, enjoyed so much power. They are working side by side with Trump now. And Bannon wants to lead a revolution. The National Review, he says, is too left-wing. What kind of revolution could that possibly be other than a fascist revolution? I am absolutely convinced that Bannon is a fascist. And Trump would love to see posters of himself up everywhere and have military-style parades with people holding up banners with his face on it, like you see in footage of all those third world dictatorships. Not funny. The truth.

    My thyroid is fine. TSH is 211.9. (Kidding.) Seriously, forget about that; I am fine. Normal range. If you don’t mind maybe you can just tell me (on the other thread) if you think seaweed tablets are safe.

    Thanks.

  30. Hi Dan. I find the current political climate to be almost unenduringly toxic. I am basically in agreement with most of the herd here: you, LaurieB and all of our overseas friends who can blessedly see this whole thing from a remove that I hope gives them some sense of perplexing comfort (though our British counterparts have their own mess with the Brexit situation).

    RE: your question, I will comment in more detail on the open thread, but briefly the seaweed (I assume in the form of kelp) is simply a good source of iodine, which is essential for the thyroid. As i said, I’ll elaborate more when I get a chance on the OT.

  31. Dan #32
    Oct 16, 2017 at 2:41 pm

    Trump is telling everyone now that it’s not going to be politically incorrect to say Merry Christmas.

    Ah! But that’s because he does not know any history about Christmas merriment and its debunking political correctness!!!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_Misrule

    In England, the Lord of Misrule – known in Scotland as the Abbot of Unreason and in France as the Prince des Sots – was an officer appointed by lot during Christmastide to preside over the Feast of Fools.
    The Lord of Misrule was generally a peasant or sub-deacon appointed to be in charge of Christmas revelries, which often included drunkenness and wild partying.

    And then the crowd applauds.

    Surely they have good reason! 🙂

    Can you think of a more appropriate candidate for that position and title? 🙂

    Some (Liberal?) cartoonist ought to make a decent job of a poster promoting his candidacy for that position – in full costume – of course! !

    http://wdccduckman.blogspot.co.uk/2007/12/judge-claude-frollo-joins-festival-of.html

  32. Steven,

    A very quick compliment. I appreciate good writing and you are a fine writer.

    (I think you said that you are a writer, as well as a scientist.)

  33. Dan #36
    Oct 17, 2017 at 7:58 am

    Very scary; we are doomed!

    The US does urgently need some mid-term elections and some congressional representatives who will deal with this dangerous clown!

  34. http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/florida-democrat-frederica-wilson-john-kelly/2017/10/19/id/820933/

    I think it is safe to say that everyone who works for Trump must be morally and/or mentally deficient in some way.

    I have heard some of my progressive friends say that they think General Kelly is there because he’s a patriot, loves the country, and feels obligated to protect us all from Trump. That is not my impression. He is a right-wing authoritarian, a man of dubious character. He was for the travel ban. He is a Trump supporter. And recently he committed what in all probability is slander, and should resign.

    In his comments at the White House press briefing, Kelly slammed Wilson as an “empty barrel” — saying she bragged “she got the money” for the building while he and others were focused on the slain FBI agents for whom it was named.

    Kelly:

    “A congresswoman stood up, and in a long tradition of empty barrels making the most noise, stood up there in all of that and talked about how she was instrumental in getting the funding for that building, and how she took care of her constituents because she got the money, and she just called up President Obama, and on that phone call, he gave the money, the $20 million, to build the building, and she sat down.”

    Nope. She didn’t do that. I heard the speech he was alluding to in its entirety; they showed the whole thing on CNN. She never mentioned raising money. In fact, “Congress approved the money before she was even joined the House of Representatives in 2011.”

    And Trump, who doesn’t have the social skills or the empathy to offer condolences without messing that up, is attacking this woman now via twitter, calling her names!

    Let me quote Joy Reid. She put it rather well:

    Frederica Wilson is no liar. On Thursday, Gen. John Kelly, President Trump’s chief of staff, confirmed that. Kelly also made clear that he works for a man who has redefined the meaning of shameless.

    The Florida congresswoman is the latest—and pointedly, the latest woman and person of color—to be attacked by Trump for daring to tell the truth about him. She joins a roster that includes broadcaster Jemele Hill, the mayor of San Juan, Puerto Rico, and before that, a Latina former Miss Universe. Now add in Hillary Clinton and the more than a dozen women who have accused Trump of sexual harassment or assault. Trump has attacked or threatened a few men too, notably black NFL and NBA stars, Gold Star father Khizr Khan (along with his wife), decorated Vietnam War veteran John McCain and other United States senators, but he typically reserves his greatest vitriol for those who aren’t white and male.

  35. I see that Trump is maintaining his usual standards of illiteracy and projected “ink-blot preconceptions”, in reading – or failing to read, UK statistics!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41695667

    Donald Trump has been accused of fuelling hate crime with a tweet erroneously linking a rise in the UK crime rate to “radical Islamic terror”.

    Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump 11:31 AM - Oct 20, 2017

    Just out report:
    "United Kingdom crime rises 13% annually amid spread of Radical
    Islamic terror."
    Not good, we must keep America safe!

    He said crime in the UK had risen by 13% amid the “spread” of Islamist terror – despite the figure referring to all crimes,
    not just terrorism.

    Mr Trump’s tweet used data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS)’s latest crime update, which reported a 13% increase across all offences in the 12 months to June.

    It covered England and Wales, not the whole of the UK.

    Police recorded 5.2m offences in the last year, the bulk of which were not associated with terrorism.

    Rises were recorded in crime public order offences, stalking and harassment, possession of weapons and robbery.

    The statistics – which made no reference to “radical Islamic terror” – showed that 35 out of the 664 homicides in England and Wales were caused by terror attacks in London and Manchester.

    So in keeping with Trump’s usual “great” level of comprehension and capability, he failed to notice that the figures referred to all crime – NOT specifically terrorist crime, and having previously made a big deal about his mother being Scottish, he failed to notice that these were not “UK figures”, as they did not include Scotland or Northern Ireland!

    Perhaps he would have done better to pick up on the arrests for possessions of weapons!!

    US media outlets have speculated whether Mr Trump’s tweet followed a TV report on One America News Network, a conservative TV channel, which aired the statistics on Friday morning.

    So it looks like just more junk tweets copied from US right-wing fake-news outlets.

    The Labour MP, Yvette Cooper, said the statement was “inflammatory and ignorant”, while ex-Labour leader Ed Miliband said Mr Trump was “a moron”.

  36. I and others – not just me – have been saying it now since before the election. We are in great peril and it’s not getting better. It’s getting worse and worse. Very bad now. Trump is corrupt, and probably not sane. Everyone who works for him is corrupt. They are traitors, are destroying our country. Everything decent and good about America is being undermined, all our values are being undermined by the new kleptocracy. Mendacity, lies, Kleptocracy and parasitism, close cooperation between big business and government, authoritarianism, the destruction of the social state, scapegoating. This is really happening! These are signs of an anti-Democratic direction the country has taken, and everyone is watching the circus, is being distracted. The enemies of decency are winning, everything in the constitution that protects us from the very corruption that we sought to liberate ourselves from, has been undermined…

    https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/leading-corruption-expert-explains-how-trump-has-created-a-kleptocracy-and-how-it-might-be-his-undoing/

    Introducing Chayes, Maddow said she was “unnerved” by the corruption expert’s work on “kleptocracies” becoming relevant to American politics.

    “It’s been a kind of slow-motion nightmare to watch sort of the place that we’ve been seeing since January 20th because I almost feel like I know which one is coming next,” Chayes said. “It’s like it’s so familiar.”

  37. This is exactly why the world’s biggest problem now is what we do with our psychopaths. Amoral corrupters/manipulators populate the categories of bankers through business men and politicians to criminals. The corrupted are either desperate/vulnerable or amoral themselves.

    First admit they exist in the millions and start discussing them.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/victorlipman/2013/04/25/the-disturbing-link-between-psychopathy-and-leadership/#3ac548a44104

    The US can strip corporations of human rights (they have no morals) until they create and implement a public facing moral code and process for maintaining a corporate integrity around it. They might set out to be morally minimal but they must admit to it publicly.

  38. Phil, I just saw your post above. It disappeared. Where’d it go? Maybe you’re editing. Or maybe the site, while much better, is still not entirely fixed yet.

    Anyway, Sarah Chayes, one of the leading experts on political corruption, mentioned last night that kleptocratic governments inevitably get involved, do business with, criminals. It is interesting how the line between the common criminal and the kleptocrat becomes blurred. They merge, become intertwined.

    As I watched Cruz debate Sanders I remember thinking: this is a psychopath with a higher than normal IQ , a snake-oil salesman. Nothing else. More people would die over the next twenty years as a result of the tax proposal and the repeal of the ACA (which he and many others on the Right support) than by the extemporaneous actions of petty criminals. And the hiring by Trump of corporate attorneys who are climate change deniers to “work” in (corrupt) the EPA (and its official site is now Govt. propaganda) will cause more suffering, will continue to affect wildlife and ecosystems and threaten human survival, than hiring gangsters with criminal records.

    Here’s a vicious monster, a thug for you: E.Scott Lloyd. One of many now working in government.

    After Jane Doe, a 17-year-old immigrant from Central America, found out she was pregnant last month, she decided to have an abortion. But the Office of Refugee Resettlement — the federal government agency charged with caring for unaccompanied immigrant minors once they enter the country — is prohibiting her from getting one.

    The federal government has a new policy that allows it to veto an unaccompanied minors’ abortion decision, and government officials are doing everything imaginable to prevent Ms. Doe from accessing abortion. They have instructed the shelter where Jane Doe is staying not to transport Ms. Doe or allow Ms. Doe’s court-appointed guardian to transport her to the health care center to have an abortion — essentially holding her hostage.

    The new policy is the creation of E. Scott Lloyd, the man President Trump appointed in March 2017 to head ORR.

    Trump should have been removed from office months ago. He is self centered, narcissistic, and anti-social. No fit to have those nuclear codes. I now think he may even be psychotic, as he believes his own lies. .

  39. Its in RD’s spam bin until rescued.

    I don’t believe I have made any distinction this time.

    The problem is entirely the same moral vacuity on either side of the line of legality.

  40. I see now: the line of legality!

    Why didn’t you say that before?

    Answer: you did many times. I just had a lapse of memory and reacted too quickly.

    Btw, I didn’t say anything about “distinctions.” Read again. I edited that. You read the post as I was in the process of editing. That’s odd.

  41. He’s not in the throes of psychosis I don’t believe. Like all sales folk he is shallow and grows to believe his own schtick once the most gullible swallow it.

  42. Well there could be psychotic processes at work. One doesn’t have to be rampantly psychotic to be psychotic, as you know. He’s definitely unfit to serve. They’re all traitors

    This is the worst this country has ever been – by far.

    Trump has real estate deals with certain kleptocratic regimes. A recent lawsuit accuses Trump of violating the Constitution. Violation of emolument clause, Constitution.

    Paraphrasing:

    “You can’t be in business with these countries without being a member of the network. This is the president of the US doing business (high-end Real Estate) or giving his stamp of approval of doing business [involving either high end real estate, banking, or energy] with corrupt foreign governments in these ways. […] People subjected to systemic corruption will go to extremes. […] These practices will come to infect the US. We are a country founded on a set of ideals. It was precisely to break away from the venality and corruption of the British government, the Crown that was suborning the members of Parliaments who are supposed to be representing the people. – That was one of the main rationales, along with breaking away from tyranny; we don’t want to be venal and corrupt. The constitutional debates were full of those arguments. The very pretext for having a United States of America becomes undermined.”
    -Sarah Chayes

  43. Here’s that binned post again

    This is exactly why the world’s biggest problem now is what we do with our psychopaths. Amoral corrupters/manipulators populate the categories of bankers through business men and politicians to criminals. The corrupted are either desperate/vulnerable or amoral themselves.

    First admit they exist in the millions and start discussing them.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/victorlipman/2013/04/25/the-disturbing-link-between-psychopathy-and-leadership/#3ac548a44104

    The US can strip corporations of human rights (they have no morals) until they create and implement a public facing moral code and process for maintaining a corporate integrity around it. They might set out to be morally minimal but they must admit to it publicly.

  44. Dan #42
    Oct 21, 2017 at 2:22 pm

    Trump should have been removed from office months ago. He is self centered, narcissistic, and anti-social. No fit to have those nuclear codes.

    Yep! You might have thought that any responsible adults involved, would have recognised that letting the disruptive naughty children play with the high-tec weapons of the military, is a really bad idea!

    Letting them play with the nation’s economy and government services, is also a really bad idea!
    Perhaps there is a serious lack of educated responsible adults in the USA – or maybe the Republican Party has simply excluded them from its membership! Some representatives with a semblance of responsible attitudes, seem to be leaving the Republicans at present!

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