Global Climate Meeting Will Forge Ahead, Despite Trump’s Contempt

Nov 3, 2017

By Annie Sneed

A shadow looms over this year’s United Nations climate change meeting. The 23rd Conference of the Parties—or its shorthand, COP 23—begins Monday in Bonn, Germany. It commences just five months after Pres. Donald Trump announced he would withdraw the U.S. from the Paris climate accord, which aims to limit global temperature rise to 2 degrees Celsius—or ideally, 1.5 degrees C. The international community strongly reprimanded the Trump administration for its decision, and it has vowed to disregard that setback and forge ahead at COP23. No other countries have reneged on the accord.

Nations have a lot to figure out. The 2015 Paris accord “was a landmark agreement,” says Cara Horowitz, co-executive director of the Emmett Institute on Climate Change and the Environment at University of California, Los Angeles, School of Law. “But it left many of the details about [implementation] still to be negotiated.” At COP 23, country representatives will work out the nitty-gritty of how to execute the accord, which will ultimately determine its long-term success. “This is quite a consequential meeting,” says Barry Rabe, a professor of public policy at the University of Michigan. “It represents an important early test of [nations’] resolve to honor what they agreed on in Paris.”

The implementation guidelines that country representatives will develop are often collectively referred to as the “Paris rule book.” The numerous rules will address issues such as how countries will track and report their emissions and have them verified, all in a transparent way; how countries will be required to communicate their future emissions-reduction plans as well as their pledges for funding adaptation efforts; and if and how market mechanisms, such as emissions trading between countries, will be applied to national targets. The representatives will also address how nations will assess the gap between global progress made and the Paris agreement’s 2-degree C goal—a collective five-year review named the “global stocktake” that will commence in 2023. Experts say countries likely will not finalize any major guidelines during the two-week COP 23 meeting but will be making crucial progress.

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9 comments on “Global Climate Meeting Will Forge Ahead, Despite Trump’s Contempt

  • http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41868878

    The White House has sought to downplay a major climate change report, which was compiled by 13 US federal agencies.

    The study is at odds with assertions from President Donald Trump and several members of his administration.

    It says it is “extremely likely” human activity is the “dominant cause” of global warming.

    A spokesman for the White House said it supported “rigorous scientific analysis and debate”

    Which is laughable coming as it does from pseudo-science muppets who demonstrate zero capability to engage in “rigorous scientific analysis and debate”!

    but added that the climate was “always changing”.

    Showing a lack of any understanding of the issues, or any honest approach to seeking competent advice!

    White House principal deputy press secretary Raj Shah said it was not certain how sensitive the Earth’s climate was to greenhouse gas emissions.

    Demonstrating HIS obfuscating utter incompetence or dishonesty!

    A White House staff of ignorant science illiterate muppets, who think their incoherent deceptive mental ramblings, are equal or superior to the expert advice from 13 specialist US federal agencies!



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  • http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-41859283

    The latest round of UN led climate talks have opened in Bonn with delegates from almost 200 countries in attendance.

    Over the next two weeks, negotiators hope to clarify the rulebook of the Paris climate agreement.

    Delegations of US governors, mayors and business people, under the We Are Still In coalition umbrella, will be in Bonn to tell negotiators that below the Federal level, much of America still supports the Paris agreement.

    The US Climate Alliance, which represents 14 states and one territory, says that it speaks for around 36% of the US population and if it were a nation state would be the third biggest economy in the world.

    One of the governors who will be on the ground in Bonn is Washington’s Jay Inslee.

    “We need to make sure that the world maintains confidence in our ability to move forward,” he told reporters.

    “So far, not one single nation state, city or county, municipality or school district have followed Donald Trump into the ranks of surrendering to climate change since he pulled out of Paris – his decision has energised our efforts.”

    This determination to remain part of Paris is also being reflected at city level in many parts of the US.

    So 200 countries and the scientifically informed from the USA, are likely to simply bypass Trump and his corrupt pseudo-science goons who are ignoring the professional advice from their own scientific advisors!

    Under the rules, the US cannot leave the agreement until 2020 so they have sent a team of negotiators to this meeting.

    The official US delegation, mainly career civil servants, may well be overshadowed, though, by other groups with very different visions for how the US should combat climate change.

    Providing doubt-mongering propagandists trying to create a false equivalence of science and pseudo-science, with the nutty right-wing media science deniers, “debating the (non-)controversy”, for the benefit of conning Trump’s base of cheering misinformed ignoramuses!

    According to reports, members of the Trump administration will lend their support to an event to promote fossil fuels and nuclear power as solutions to climate change.

    Speakers from coal giant Peabody Energy, among others, will make a presentation to highlight the role that coal and other fuels can play in curbing the impacts of rising temperatures.

    A White House spokesman said in a statement that the discussion aimed to build on the administration’s efforts to promote fossil fuels at the G20 meeting this year.

    US climate report at odds with some in Trump team (see#1)

    The report says: “It is extremely likely that human activities, especially emissions of greenhouse gases, are the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century. For the warming over the last century, there is no convincing alternative explanation supported by the extent of the observational evidence.”

    “Fossil fuels having any role in tackling climate change is beyond absurd. It is dangerous,” said Andrew Norton, director of the International Institute for Environment and Development.

    “These talks are no place for pushing the fossil fuel agenda. The US needs to come back to the table and help with the rapid cuts in emissions that the situation demands.”

    Long-time talks participant Alden Meyer from the Union of Concerned Scientists added: “It’s not a credible solution, but that doesn’t seem to bother them.

    The Trumpies are just a media distraction from the real issues which should urgently be addressed.

    The talks are being chaired by Fiji, which is the first time a small island developing state has taken this role. As such, questions of climate impacts are likely to be in the spotlight, including the tricky question of loss and damage.

    This is a potential area of significant disagreement as the richer countries are strongly opposed to any implied legal liability for the damages caused by climate related extreme weather events.



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  • @#2 – Delegations of US governors, mayors and business people, under the
    We Are Still In coalition umbrella,
    will be in Bonn to tell negotiators
    that below the Federal level,
    much of America still supports the Paris agreement.

    The US Climate Alliance,
    which represents 14 states and one territory,
    says that it speaks for around 36% of the US population
    and if it were a nation state would be the third biggest economy in the world.

    So not only is the corrupt pseudo-science White House world of Trump anti-science lies, isolated from much of America, it now seems to be isolated from the rest of the world’s nations!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-41904650

    The US is set to become isolated in its stance on the Paris climate agreement, after reports that Syria is preparing to join the deal.

    The Paris deal unites the world’s nations in tackling climate change.

    Syria and Nicaragua were the only nations outside the deal when it was agreed in 2015. Nicaragua signed in October.

    In June the US said it would withdraw, but the rules of the agreement state that this cannot be done until 2020.

    Meanwhile, French officials said US President Donald Trump had not been invited to December’s climate summit in Paris.

    Which clearly indicates, that he is widely recognised as having nothing useful to say about climate science, or necessary actions to combat climate change, and adapt!

    More than 100 countries have been invited to the summit, which is aimed at “building coalitions” with finance and business to further the accord, an aide to French President Emmanuel Macron said.

    Syrian officials at the current climate talks in Bonn, Germany, were quoted as telling delegates of the 196 participating nations that the country was about to send the UN its ratification documents.

    The accord would be signed “as soon as possible”, AP quoted one Syrian delegate as saying.

    A US statement issued in October when Nicaragua signed the agreement said the US would withdraw “unless we can re-enter on terms that are more favourable for our country”. White House spokeswoman Kelly Love said there had been no change in Washington’s position since then.

    Showing that the deluded Trumpies wishfully think that the rest of the world is going to pander to their nonsensical claims!

    Responding to the Syrian move, environmental NGO the Sierra Club issued a statement attacking the US position: “As if it wasn’t already crystal clear, every single other country in the world is moving forward together to tackle the climate crisis, while Donald Trump has isolated the United States on the world stage in an embarrassing and dangerous position.”

    Scientists point out that work to implement the Paris accord must be stepped up if it is to have any chance of success.



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  • This could be transformative. For real achievement one needs a real enemy. Someone you can teach a lesson to, prove them wrong, redoubling your efforts out of a focused anger and hatred, real bad guys to blame.

    The world at last has a single enemy.

    (I’m telling you now’s the time to invest in Cameron McKintosh’s latest show (once his people get back to mine).

    “The Last Trump”, Circus at the End of Time.)



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  • phil rimmer #4
    Nov 7, 2017 at 1:17 pm

    This could be transformative. For real achievement one needs a real enemy.

    Trump’s delusional pathological hatred of renewables, is nothing new!

    https://www.richarddawkins.net/2016/12/climate-change-skeptic-to-head-epa-mcmorris-rodgers-as-interior-secretary/#li-comment-216230

    Someone you can teach a lesson to, prove them wrong,
    redoubling your efforts out of a focused anger and hatred, real bad guys to blame.

    While the on-looking world will see the lesson clearly, Trump and the Trumpies, don’t do “learning from being wrong”, or diplomatic negotiations!
    They just do arrogant demands, temper-tantrums, and personal attacks!



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  • Ah! Trumpies and Koch Bros. being upset by those neglected “ALTERNATIVE FACTS”, being excluded from international climate science debate! 🙂

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-41991031

    Trump team looks for alternative approaches to Paris pact

    President Trump’s special adviser on climate says that the US is seeking ways of continuing to be part of international climate discussions.

    George David Banks said that US was considering reviving the Major Economies Meeting (MEM).

    Referred to by some, as “THE MAJOR EMITTERS’ (Forum) MEETING”!

    The Bush-era forum allowed the US to remain in climate discussions even when outside the formal process.

    The leaders of France and Germany will address the talks today amid concern over slow progress in cutting carbon.

    The group first met in September 2007 and featured delegations from the US, China, the EU, the UK and other countries with high levels of carbon emissions.

    At the time the US was outside the formal UN climate negotiating process, having signed but not ratified the Kyoto Protocol, which limited the emissions of richer nations only.

    When President Obama came into office, the MEM became the Major Emitters Forum, which helped shape the approach of larger economies in the run up to the Copenhagen climate summit in 2009.

    The forum continued, in a much-reduced form until 2015.

    Now, President Trump’s key climate change adviser thinks it might be a way forward for discussions.

    I think most of the world recognises that Trump and carbonaceous Trump stooges, have nothing useful to contribute to tackling climate change, and any US contribution is best left in the hands of scientifically informed State Governors, and representatives from the renewables and negawatt industries.

    “We are looking into the possibility of having a major economies meeting, it is being discussed,” he told reporters on the sidelines of this meeting in the former German capital.

    “The only way you are going to have a[n ir]rational discussion about climate mitigation and policy in general is if you bring in the economic and energy advisers, you are not going to have kind of conversation as long as it dominated by environment ministries.”

    Mr Banks described the annual UN led talks here as an “echo chamber”.

    Yeh! What do environmental scientists, glaciologists, meteorologists and renewables technologists, know about climate! 🙂

    However, the idea of reviving the Bush-era approach to tackling climate change was given short shrift by some observers here.

    “This notion of creating a new institution is just a dodge by the Trump clique because they are not on pace to reduce emissions,” said Paul Bledsoe, from the American University in Washington and a former Clinton White House climate adviser.

    “I think almost every country in the world has had enough of Donald Trump’s obfuscations particularly on climate change, I don’t think they are going to be fooled.”

    They will hear from UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres who will be attending his first Conference of the Parties.

    Mr Guterres will tell the meeting that a broader coalition is needed if the temperature targets agreed in Paris are to be met.

    But no doubt DimBart and Faux News, will be desperately looking for some ALTERNATIVE debate to write false equivalence reports on!

    His climate adviser told reporters that the UN was also looking to the future, and a new generation of political leaders, perhaps including a new occupant in the White House.

    A new occupant of the White House could even get around to filling vacant posts, and APPOINTING some QUALIFIED science advisors, who have something useful to say! 🙂



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  • http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-42032229

    UN climate talks in Bonn have concluded with progress on technical issues, but with bigger questions about cutting carbon unresolved.

    Delegates say they are pleased that the rulebook for the Paris climate agreement is finally coming together.

    But these technical discussions took place against the backdrop of a larger battle about coal, oil and gas.

    It means that next year’s conference in Poland is set for a major showdown on the future of fossil fuels.

    This meeting, known as COP23, was tasked with clarifying complex operational issues around the workings of the Paris climate agreement.

    One of the most important elements was the development of a process that would help countries to review and ratchet up their commitments to cut carbon.

    Fiji, holding the presidency of this meeting, proposed what’s being called the Talanoa Dialogue.

    Over the next year, a series of discussions will take place to help countries look at the promises they have made under the Paris pact

    BBC environment analyst Roger Harrabin

    Optimistic would be too strong. Slightly less pessimistic would be more accurate.
    After two decades of grindingly under-ambitious conferences, at last a faint glimmer of light.

    The flamboyant flourish of the Paris accord offered more dramatic cause for optimism, with its world leaders, hugs and tears.

    But dull Bonn gave a more prosaic hint of what might be achieved if politicians can capitalise on a world shifting towards clean technology far faster than anyone could have expected.

    Trump’s snub didn’t derail negotiations, which were mostly cordial, with a clear common goal.

    Governments can now see a clean energy future is not just achievable but affordable.
    Many know they need to cut emissions further, and some are ready to do so.

    However, the gulf remains between aspiration and actions.
    There is acrimony also over the lack of cash to help poor nations.

    And the venue of the next annual meeting – Poland’s coal capital Katowice.

    So, the battle’s not over, but real-world energy economics are on the cusp of overtaking politics as the main driver of climate protection.



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  • https://cop23.unfccc.int/news/concrete-climate-action-commitments-at-cop23

    UN Climate Press Release / 17 Nov, 2017

    Concrete Climate Action Commitments at COP23

    UN Climate Change News, Bonn, Nov 17 – As the UN Climate Change Conference comes down to the last day and governments work to complete the final negotiation decisions, it’s good to be reminded of the new wave of climate action that has been announced during COP23 from countries, cities, states, regions, business and civil society.

    The common message from all sides at this conference has been that action to get on track towards the objectives of the Paris Climate Change Agreement and to ultimately achieve the 2030 Agenda Sustainable Development Goals is urgent, time is really running out and everyone simply must do much better together to drive climate action further and faster ahead now.

    Above all, this means rapidly raising the current global ambition to act on climate change that is captured in the full set of national climate action plans (NDCs) which sit at the heart of the Agreement.

    The following list includes announcements made during Cop23 to drive us further, faster and together to this destination.
    (see link for lists of commitments, contributors, and funding!)



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  • Alan

    However, the gulf remains between aspiration and actions.
    There is acrimony also over the lack of cash to help poor nations.

    Now is the time to revisit the mandate for the IMF and the World Bank or supplement them with new financial institutions. Originally set up to help rebuild the planet after WWII they have suffered severe mission creep, now simply endorsing global free marketism and meddling in national governance to promote this single thing. Its time to redirect this dirigisme used in the name of facilitating simple global consumption to one of promoting sustainable development and the circular economy.



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