Islam criticism in a hand-to-hand fight

Nov 27, 2017

By Kacem El Ghazzali

The failure of most terrorism analyses, especially in the West, which has been stricken by radical Islamic terrorism in recent years, is that they try to read the phenomenon of Islamic violence usually in isolation.

An analytical approach that is often very popular in the political left wing, for example, is to see Islamist terror as the result of social injustice, poverty, and illiteracy. However, a closer look at the level of education and economic status of many people who have joined the Islamic state reveals a different picture:

According to a World Bank report from 2016, many IS terrorists have a good education and a good level of prosperity. 69 percent have at least a secondary school education and a large proportion were even enrolled at universities, while the proportion of illiterate students was only 2 percent.

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19 comments on “Islam criticism in a hand-to-hand fight

  • Scot Atran’s analysis of Islamic terrorists which concluded that motivation was mostly political and nationalistic, was a failure in my estimation because the questionnaire handed out was poorly constructed and displayed Atran’s political biases. Nor did it discount that such people being educated would dissimulate with more than a little skill, the war not being over for them.

    There may well be a political element in much terrorist activity but after seeing the three nation study on the religious correlates of fear of death. Those Islamic were notably more fearful of death than Christians AND those more fervently religious were even more scared when low religiosity had a correlate with a non Islamic early early indoctrination.

    The religion of a warlord suits bullies and the fear of eternal punishment. Its great success comes far more from the threat of the stick rather than the carrot. Even the most faithful might be made to fear the sacrifices and obedience haven’t been enough to escape the threat of punishment and hence the heightened and quite general fear of death.

    The only way to be sure to avoid hell is an act of sacrifice. Its not the virgins. Nothing so trite.



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  • Oops, an incomplete copy.

    There may well be a political element in much terrorist activity but after seeing the three nation study on the religious correlates of fear of death, I suspect there may be a more immediate driver for self sacrificing action as the action of choice.



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  • The fear of hell is something I have lived with, as with most former RCs, educated in the bad old days when religion was religion. Phil is right on the ball.

    I keep coming back to Oscar Wilde’s insight, which fits in well with the fact that nearly all terrorists have reasonable to good educations. Boko Haram – Western education is evil. The Enlightenment, long before Darwin, undermined faith. All belief has to be subject to rational examination, and since belief cannot be substantiated, a series of unconvincing “patches” has to be devised to hold the schemata together. But doubt is punished by hellfire.

    No man dies for what he knows to be true. Men die for what they want to be true, for what some terror tells them is not true.>

    Oscar Wilde: The Portrait of Mr WH



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  • phil rimmer #1
    Nov 27, 2017 at 6:03 pm

    There may well be a political element in much terrorist activity but after seeing the three nation study on the religious correlates of fear of death.

    Those fearful of their god-delusions, will use any means including political machinations, to promote the indoctrinated commands of their god-delusions! – . . . and leaders and others in minorities, fearful of rabid mobs, will defer to their demands!

    https://www.richarddawkins.net/2017/11/moore-seeks-to-refocus-campaign-on-conservative-religious-values-amid-firestorm/#li-comment-228223
    #8 and #10



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  • @OP – An analytical approach that is often very popular in the political left wing, for example,
    is to see Islamist terror as the result of social injustice, poverty, and illiteracy.

    However, if we look at Islam dominated cultures, it becomes obvious that violence in support of tribalist bigotry is the norm!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-42300218

    Charges of indecency have been dropped against 24 women who were caught wearing trousers at a party near the Sudanese capital, Khartoum.

    The gathering was raided by morality police on Wednesday.

    If convicted, the women could have faced punishment of 40 lashes and a fine for wearing “an obscene outfit”.

    Rights activists say tens of thousands of women are arrested and flogged for indecency every year, and laws can be applied arbitrarily.

    They say the law in Muslim-majority Sudan against wearing trousers and short or tight skirts discriminates against Christians.

    Traditionally, women in Sudan wear loose flowing robes.

    Campaigner Amira Osman told Netherlands-based Radio Dabanga the public order act violated women’s rights.

    “The party took place in a closed hall in a building in El Mamoura [south of Khartoum],” she said.

    “The girls were arrested for wearing trousers, despite obtaining a permit from the authorities.”

    The law – Article 152 of the Criminal Code – applies to “indecent acts” in public, wearing an “obscene outfit” or “causing an annoyance to public feelings”.

    Those “offended” god-delusions are full of “annoyed feelings” about anyone not repressively dominated by their dogmas!



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  • @OP – The failure of most terrorism analyses, especially in the West, which has been stricken by radical Islamic terrorism in recent years, is that they try to read the phenomenon of Islamic violence usually in isolation.

    There is certainly going to be a test of joined up thinking about underlying fundamentalist religious polarised thinking now!

    We alreardy have a clear example of Israeli Zionist wish-thinking-faith-thinking flying in the face of the evidence!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42306176

    Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu says he expects European countries to follow the US in recognising Jerusalem as his country’s capital.

    He is in Brussels for talks – the first time an Israeli prime minister has visited the city in more than 20 years.

    Great expectations!!!!
    Perhaps if he had turned up earlier to LISTEN to the educated voices of Europe, instead of belatedly turning up preaching delusional assumptions, more progress could have been achieved with a peaceful two-state settlement!

    But the EU’s foreign policy chief, Federica Mogherini says the bloc’s stance on the matter is unchanged.

    Donald Trump’s move has left the US isolated on a highly sensitive issue between Israel and the Palestinians.

    Arriving in Brussels, Mr Netanyahu again welcomed the announcement, saying Jerusalem had been the capital of the Jewish people for 3,000 years and Mr Trump had put “facts squarely on the table”.

    Ah Those Trumpy “alternative facts” which those who think from cognitive bias, love so much!

    I believe that all, or most, European countries will move their embassies to Jerusalem, recognise Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and engage robustly with us for security, prosperity and peace,” he added.

    That’s the believer’s self-deluding faith-thinking!!!

    Meanwhile – in the real world – as he has been previously told:-

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-42261000

    Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Mr Trump was “throwing the region into a ring of fire”.

    Top Iraqi Shia cleric Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani said the move “hurt the feelings of hundreds of millions of Arabs and Muslims”.

    The Saudi royal court said it “represents a significant decline in efforts to push a peace process and is a violation of the historically neutral American position on Jerusalem”.

    British Prime Minister Theresa May said she disagreed with the US decision, which was “unhelpful in terms of prospects for peace in the region”

    French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Angela Merkel both said their countries did not support the move

    EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini voiced “serious concern”

    Mr Trump’s announcement puts the US at odds with the rest of the international community’s view on Jerusalem’s status.

    Because of its importance to both Israel and the Palestinians, its final status, according to the 1993 Israel-Palestinian peace accords, is meant to be discussed in the latter stages of peace talks.

    Israeli sovereignty over Jerusalem has never been recognised internationally, and all countries maintain their embassies in Tel Aviv.

    Jerusalem contains sites sacred to the three major monotheistic faiths – Judaism, Islam and Christianity.

    East Jerusalem, which includes the Old City, was annexed by Israel after the Six Day War of 1967, but before now it has not been internationally recognised as part of Israel.



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  • Clearly the EU is unimpressed by wish-thinking assumptions, and has no intention of accepting them as a basis for policy!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42313727

    EU’s Federica Mogherini rebuffs Netanyahu on Jerusalem

    The EU’s foreign policy chief says there is “full EU unity” in support of Jerusalem becoming the capital of both Israel and a future Palestinian state.

    Federica Mogherini said the bloc’s member states would not recognise Jerusalem as Israel’s capital before a final status peace agreement.

    She spoke after meeting Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who wants the EU to follow the US in doing so.

    President Donald Trump’s move prompted widespread international criticism.

    Ms Mogherini, who was speaking at a news conference in Brussels alongside Mr Netanyahu, said the EU would continue to recognise the “international consensus” on Jerusalem.

    “I have to say that PM Netanyahu realised, I think, from the ministers themselves that there is full EU unity on this, that the only realistic solution to the conflict between Israel and Palestine is based on two states with Jerusalem as the capital of both the state of Israel and the state of Palestine.

    “The EU and member states will continue to respect the international consensus on Jerusalem until the final status of the holy city is resolved, through direct negotiations between the parties.”



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  • As was to be expected, the reckless Zionist wish-thinking of Trump and Netanyahu, has stirred up a hornets nest of confrontation, and conflict in place of the peace negotiations others have spent years working on.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42335751

    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has urged leaders of Muslim nations to recognise Jerusalem as the “occupied capital of the Palestinian state”.

    Addressing a summit of the Organisation for Islamic Co-operation, he said the US decision to recognise the city as Israel’s capital was “null and void”.

    Mr Erdogan also again accused Israel of being a “state of terror”.

    Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas said the US had “disqualified itself from playing a role in the peace process”.

    A classic Trump attempt at “negotiation” by ignorant confrontational diktat!

    “We shall not accept any role for the United States in the peace process.
    They have proven their full bias in favour of Israel,” he told the summit.

    Mr Erdogan threatened to cut Turkish ties with Israel before Mr Trump’s announcement last week, though he made no mention of this in his speech.

    Turkey and Israel only restored diplomatic relations in 2016, six years after Turkey severed ties in protest at the killing of nine pro-Palestinian Turkish activists in clashes with Israeli commandos on board a ship trying to break Israel’s naval blockade of Gaza.

    Mr Erdogan instead urged a unified response by Muslim nations to Mr Trump’s Jerusalem decision.

    “I invite all the countries that value international law and justice to recognise Jerusalem as the occupied capital of the Palestinian state,” he said.

    See the linked map @#7.

    “Those who fight with their friends forget to fight with their enemies,” he added. “We need a diplomatic solution. We have to stop Israel gaining more land from Palestine day by day. And we must not accept the policies and attitude Israel has been displaying day by day.”



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  • http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42335751

    The leaders of 57 Muslim nations have called on the world to recognise “the State of Palestine and East Jerusalem as its occupied capital”.

    An Organisation of Islamic Co-operation communique declares US President Donald Trump’s decision to recognise the city as Israel’s capital as “null and void”.

    It also says the move has signalled Washington’s withdrawal from its role in the Middle East peace process.

    Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas earlier said the UN should take over.

    Israel occupied the sector, previously occupied by Jordan, in the 1967 Middle East war and regards the entire city as its indivisible capital.

    Israeli sovereignty over Jerusalem has never been recognised internationally, and all countries currently maintain their embassies in Tel Aviv. However, President Trump has announced that the US will eventually move its embassy.

    Mr Trump said his decision was nothing more than “a recognition of reality”

    However, the rest of the world does not recognise the Bible/ Torah, or Trump’s “alternative realities” as a basis for international law! – – (Not that Trump can even grasp the requirements to follow US constitutional law!)

    The status of Jerusalem goes to the heart of Israel’s conflict with the Palestinians. [see the map @#7]

    The city is home to key religious sites sacred to Judaism, Islam and Christianity, especially in East Jerusalem.

    The Palestinians claim East Jerusalem as the capital of a future state, and its final status is meant to be discussed in the latter stages of peace talks.

    The communique issued by OIC member states says they reject the unilateral decision by the US to recognise Jerusalem as Israel’s capital as “null and void legally” and consider it an “attack” on the rights of the Palestinian people.

    They accuse the US of “deliberately undermining” peace efforts and warn that it has given “impetus to extremism and terrorism”.

    They say Washington will be held “fully liable for all the consequences of not retracting from this illegal decision” and that it has effectively announced its “withdrawal from its role as sponsor” of the Israeli-Palestinian peace process.

    They then invite all countries to “recognise the State of Palestine and East Jerusalem as its occupied capital” and ask the UN to assume its responsibilities and reaffirm the city’s legal position.

    The BBC’s Mark Lowen says there was tough talk earlier from Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who vowed to “stand up to American bullying” and called Israel “a state of terror”.



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  • @#6 – Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu
    says he expects European countries to follow the US in recognising Jerusalem as his country’s capital.

    Which shows just how little this god-deluded fundamentalist has listened to the impartial international advice which has been given to him over the years!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12150792

    EU envoys: Treat East Jerusalem as Palestinian capital –
    10 January 2011

    EU envoys in the Middle East are urging Brussels to treat East Jerusalem as the future capital of a Palestinian state.

    The recommendation comes in a leaked report by the heads of 25 European missions in Jerusalem and Ramallah.

    The report also calls for an EU presence at the demolitions of Palestinian homes, and intervention when peaceful protesters face arrest.

    The document follows the razing of an East Jerusalem hotel to make way for 20 homes for Jewish settlers.

    The destruction of the Shepherd Hotel has angered Palestinians, who want East Jerusalem as the capital of their future state.

    The US and the EU have strongly condemned the demolition, which is against international law, . . . . .. but Israel says it has a right to build homes in any part of the city.

    Their ancient mythology says so, so what does present day international law matter??! 🙂 – They’ve got foreign finance, the Torah, modern US military weapons fundamentalist believers, and guns!



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  • http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-42394264
    The US has vetoed a draft UN Security Council resolution rejecting President Donald Trump’s decision to recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

    The text put forward by Egypt affirmed that any decisions on the status of Jerusalem had “no legal effect, are null and void and must be rescinded “.

    The 14 other members of the council voted in favour of the motion.

    The US permanent representative, Nikki Haley, described it as an “insult” and warned that it would not be forgotten.

    I’m sure the Arab states and Muslim populations, will remember the insult for a very long time!

    “It’s one more example of the United Nations doing more harm than good in addressing the Israeli Palestinian conflict,” she added.

    Ah! That Trumpist self-proclaimed “expertise”, of the only one in step!

    “Today, for the simple act of deciding where to put our embassy, the United States was forced to defend its sovereignty. The record will reflect that we did so proudly.”

    Don’t you love the irony, when some projecting self-deluding muppet tramples all over other people’s seventy and then plays the martyr “defending THEIR sovereignty” in doing so!

    Yep! An administration proud of its arrogance, ignorance, incompetence, stupidity, and bigotry!

    The status of Jerusalem goes to the heart of Israel’s conflict with the Palestinians.

    Israel occupied the east of the city, previously occupied by Jordan, in the 1967 Middle East war and regards the entire city as its indivisible capital.

    The Palestinians claim East Jerusalem as the capital of a future state and its final status is meant to be discussed in the latter stages of peace talks.

    Israeli sovereignty over Jerusalem has never been recognised internationally, and all countries currently maintain their embassies in Tel Aviv.
    However, President Trump has told the US state department to start work on moving the US embassy.

    AH! But the “all-seeing”- ” all-knowing” T-Rump has spoken, so what do all the other UN Security Council members know? 🙂



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  • Meanwhile, there is another push-back against theocracy!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42424547

    A Syrian-born man who divorced his wife in a Sharia court has been told by Europe’s top court that the divorce is not legally valid in Germany, where the former couple now live.

    The European Court of Justice said EU countries need not legally recognise divorces not granted by a state court.

    Some Muslims believe men can end their marriage instantly by saying “talaq” (divorce) three times.

    This is the ECJ’s first ever ruling on the subject.

    Why must “talaq” be said three times? Under some interpretations of Islamic law, a man can divorce his wife and get back together with her – but only twice. After the third divorce, the marriage is completely over and cannot be started again without an intervening marriage to someone else.

    Most Islamic countries have now banned triple talaq.

    The ECJ said the regulation “does not apply, by itself, to the recognition of a divorce decision delivered in a third country”.

    It added that a unilateral declaration of divorce before a religious court does not fall under the scope of the regulation, and said the case must be resolved under German law.

    The ECJ does not decide the dispute itself, and the court in Munich will take a final decision on the issue.



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  • Further to Trump Jerusalem issues:-

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-42424666

    The US says it “will be taking names” during a UN General Assembly vote on a resolution criticising its recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.

    Permanent representative Nikki Haley warned member states that President Donald Trump had asked her to report on “who voted against us” on Thursday.

    Which either illustrates his level of ignorant stupidity, or he is pandering to his illiterate Trump-base followers!

    I would have thought that ALL competent UN representatives and governments, would know that there are records of debates, and that published minutes of votes are available. (see links below)

    The draft resolution does not mention the US, but says any decisions on Jerusalem should be cancelled.

    On Monday, the US vetoed a similar motion at the UN Security Council.

    The status of Jerusalem goes to the heart of Israel’s conflict with the Palestinians.

    The 193-member UN General Assembly will hold a rare emergency special session on Thursday at the request of Arab and Muslim states, who condemned Mr Trump’s decision to reverse decades of US policy earlier this month.

    The Palestinians called for the meeting after the US vetoed the Security Council resolution, which affirmed that any decisions on the status of Jerusalem were “null and void and must be rescinded”, and urged all states to “refrain from the establishment of diplomatic missions in the holy city”.

    The other 14 members of the Security Council voted in favour of the draft, but Ms Haley described it as an “insult” and warned that “it won’t be forgotten”.

    The non-binding resolution put forward by Turkey and Yemen for the General Assembly vote mirrors the vetoed Security Council draft.

    The Palestinian permanent observer at the UN, Riyad Mansour, said he hoped there would be “overwhelming support” for the resolution.

    But on Tuesday, Ms Haley warned in a letter to dozens of member states that encouraged them to “know that the president and the US take this vote personally”.

    Perhaps a unanimous vote would get a message to penetrate his thick skull, that the world does not base decisions on the basis of what massages his ego!

    http://www.un.org/en/ga/documents/pvsr.asp

    General Assembly of the United Nations

    Statements/speeches made and actions taken during United Nations meetings can be recorded either as verbatim records or summary records.
    A process verbal (i.e., PV) is a full, first-person account of the proceedings of a meeting whereas a summary record (i.e., SR) is a third-person condensed version. Meetings of principal organs as well as those of selected subsidiary bodies are usually entitled to coverage as either verbatim or summary records, but not both.

    http://www.un.org/en/sc/meetings/

    Formal meetings of the Security Council are entitled to verbatim coverage. The documents, which include the statements and speeches made during the meeting, are identified by the prefix “S/PV.” and are official meeting records. The preparatory work for formal meetings is conducted in informal consultations for which no public record exists.

    I suppose when a president has too short a concentration span, or is too incompetent to understand official records (or the existence of official records), a personal list of votes may need to be reported by his representatives! 🙂 (With letters sent to other countries to inform them of this situation!)



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  • http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-42431095

    US President Donald Trump has threatened to cut off financial aid to countries that back a United Nations resolution opposing the recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.

    Earlier this month, Mr Trump took that step amid international criticism.

    “They take hundreds of millions of dollars and even billions of dollars, and then they vote against us,” he told reporters at the White House.

    Spoken with the obvious “ethical philosophy” of a bought stooge among bought stooges!

    “Let them vote against us. We’ll save a lot.
    We don’t care.”

    . . . . . . And with the level of “mature responsible co-operative international leadership” we have come to expect from him and his White House geriatric day-care centre! 🙂

    His comments come ahead of a UN General Assembly vote on a resolution opposing any recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.

    So let’s see what the next belligerent tantrum brings!

    @# 12 The 14 other members of the council voted in favour of the motion.

    Confrontational America – first to be isolated and friendless? ?



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  • I see most UN member states are unimpressed by Trump’s threat and have called him out!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-42446027

    The UN General Assembly has approved a resolution effectively calling on the US to withdraw its recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

    It was approved by 128 countries, with 35 abstaining from the vote and nine countries voting against.

    Trump is counting votes against him, but perhaps others are also counting votes of the bought, the spineless, the delusional, and the crawlers!

    The text says that any decisions regarding the status of the city are “null and void” and must be cancelled.

    It came after US President Donald Trump threatened to cut financial aid to those who backed the resolution.

    Before the vote, the Palestinian foreign minister urged member states to reject “blackmail and intimidation”.

    Prior to the vote, Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said it would reject the anticipated result “outright” and dismissed the UN a “house of lies”.

    Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu – A delusional god-besotted arrogant member of “God’s chosen people” full of “Zionist Biblical Trooof” and impervious to reason!



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  • @#16 – I see most UN member states are unimpressed by Trump’s threat and have called him out!

    Unlike Trump, they can probably remember what he said to Palestinian audiences a few months ago! – and what he said to Israelis during his election campaign!

    https://www.opb.org/news/article/npr-trump-says-he-wants-to-help-mediate-israeli-palestinian-peace-deal/

    Trump Says He Wants To Help Mediate Israeli-Palestinian Peace Deal by Merrit Kennedy NPR May 3, 2017

    President Trump emphasized his commitment to end the long-standing Israeli-Palestinian conflict, saying there’s a “very good chance” for a peace deal and vowing to do “whatever is necessary to facilitate the agreement.”

    Trump’s remarks came in a joint statement following a meeting with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas at the White House on Wednesday.

    “We’ll start a process which hopefully will lead to peace,” Trump said, standing alongside the Palestinian leader.

    “Over the course of my lifetime, I’ve always heard that perhaps the toughest deal to make is the deal between the Israelis and the Palestinians,” he added. “Let’s see if we can prove them wrong.”

    The Mideast peace progress has been stalled for years. “Now Mr. President, with you we have hope,” Abbas told Trump.

    Abbas said he believed their partnership could bring about a historic peace deal, emphasizing that he wants to see a Palestinian state with borders that existed prior to the region’s war in 1967, with East Jerusalem as its capital.

    This isn’t the first time Trump has signaled willingness to have a hand in peace negotiations, though he emphasized that any agreement must come from the Israelis and Palestinians themselves, and “cannot be imposed by the United States or by any other nation.”

    It won’t be easy. “Trust between Israelis and Palestinians right now really is rock bottom,” Daniel added. “There is such little belief on both sides that there’s a way forward.

    I think most people would recognise that Trump’s self-proclaimed role as a “great mediator” or trustworthy arbitrator, is a sick joke!



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  • I described how I was targeted for radicalisation with YouTube videos a few years ago. Didn’t think that it might be google doing the work?



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